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#1
Literate Chaotic / Apostasy
February 11, 2024, 04:15:46 AM
What does it mean to be discordian?

What does it mean, when anyone can attach the label to themselves, and, like the christians, anyone else can just as easily say they're not a real discordian?

What does it mean if I can look at someone who's never heard of discordianism, and recognize that they reflect my own discordian ideal, that they're discordian without knowing it?

What does it mean if, when I meet someone calling themselves discordian, discover they're close-minded, bigoted, incapable of introspection, an otherwise horrible specimen of humanity, and yet I must nevertheless acknowledge that they're still undoubtedly, unquestionably a discordian?

It means nothing.  Discordianism is just another trap.  You stick a label on yourself, pretend that it changes something, and now you're one of the Enlightened Few.  You acknowledge the parable of the barstool, but you don't really believe in it; it's just a story.  You've got this.  You know how it all works, now.

Hail Eris.
#2
I tried to read it, but gave up after two paragraphs.

Perhaps there is a funny story buried under all that purple prose, but the author evidently confused a thesaurus for a style guide.
#3
Write your messages on toilet paper in public bathrooms instead.

You won't waste paper, you'll reach a wider audience, and your words will be delivered to the end they deserve.
#4
Quote from: Finnius on February 09, 2024, 02:03:46 PMMy last post in this ridiculous thread (yaaa):


Good Morning Spectators! Today we will be taking the following phrase -

"The original poster of this thread, and others like them, are literally in fear for their lives, some having difficulty with day-to-day survival,..." (thank you cno for supplying this)

- and having 2 widely different groups duke it out and see which group this phrase REALLY should apply to. Winner gets the Title and Belt.

[snip]

You put a lot of text into that straw man.  I skimmed past most of it, I've had enough of Ayn Rand's form of didacticism to last a lifetime.

You're exactly the kind of person who, in the early 1930s in Germany, would have been saying "See, the Jews don't have it so bad!" while sitting in your comfortable armchair, enjoying the fruits of nascent fascism.

Funny thing?  You were wrong.  I don't browse twitter or facebook.  And my chair is actually pretty comfortable.  But when people say they're in trouble, I don't use my privilege to mock them and tell them it's not so bad.

I try listening first.
#5
Quote from: Finnius on February 09, 2024, 12:52:14 AM1. Can I get my forum tag to say "Shit-for-brains new person."? I like it.
You don't need my permission.

Quote2. When was the last time you were beaten, imprisoned, or killed by your government? Maybe try it before shooting your mouth off. I will certainly be more impressed. You need some slack...jumping immediately and angrily on someone for posting an opinion just shows me how your progamming works.
The original poster of this thread, and others like them, are literally in fear for their lives, some having difficulty with day-to-day survival, and you just wandered in with some moronic "it's all just a game" nonsense.  This isn't some hypothetical news-program talking point you're dismissing here, it's real people.

Do you think atrocities being committed by governments are pure fictions invented to manipulate the masses?  Do you think someone needs to suffer personally in order to care about how other people may be harmed by political policy?

You're either a moderately amusing troll, or a really horrible person.

Quote3. I repeat...it's a game designed to keep you in fear/anger/unstability. You just proved my point.

Perhaps one day it will occur to you that somewhere beyond the vast morass of propaganda and social manipulation there are actually some human beings, and maybe we should treat them as more than just a game.
#6
Quote from: Finnius on February 08, 2024, 11:45:41 PMYou might find a lot less stress in your life if you simply ignore all the external stimuli that is being forcibly pressed upon you.
Hey.

Shit-for-brains new person.

This thread is specifically about the kind of politics that kills people.  If you're one of their "undesirables", you can't opt out of being beaten, imprisoned, or killed.
#7
Quote from: Pergamos on February 08, 2024, 08:46:31 PMvery, I certainly don't condemn your choice, it's still a choice to support genocide.

Bullshit.  If I'm a vegetarian, and both candidates eat meat, voting for one of them isn't a choice to support meat-eating.

You select who to vote for based on the differences between the candidates, not what they have in common.  If you don't vote, then you're saying that the differences between them don't matter.

Let's say you have a choice between voting between two of the worst specimens of humanity, who have identical policies in almost every respect, but one will load the supreme court with judges who toss out Roe v. Wade, and the other wants to protect abortion rights.

If you don't vote, that would be a declaration that you don't support women's rights.  Nothing else. 

Nobody is going to pat you on the head and praise you for not voting for either of the two monsters when you sit back and let the worse monster win unimpeded. Not voting doesn't keep the monsters out, and it doesn't give you the moral high ground.  It makes you a moral coward.

You don't like the choices?  Do something about it after you've voted.  Or before.  But like the W├╝rfel said, if you don't vote against the nazis, you voted for them.
#8
Quote from: Pergamos on February 08, 2024, 06:13:30 PMI can't personally vote for someone actively committing genocide, not even to keep the other person, who also wants to commit genocide, out.

In the context of this thread, the choice presented is voting against the person who wants to kill you, or not voting at all.

How fucking tone-deaf are you?
#9
It's all so stupid.

Things don't have to get worse for them to get better.

Things can get worse without ever getting better.

Voting isn't an act which precludes taking other actions.
#10
Quote from: altered on January 10, 2024, 11:51:36 PM
Addiction to rationality is caused by irrational motivations. if we were truly rational we'd give up on rationality. As Roger was fond of saying, it's no way to run a human being.

Indeed.  Logic is often a useful tool for achieving a specific goal, but it's entirely useless at figuring out what root goal to select.  Axioms cannot be arrived at rationally.

It seems obvious now, but I was well into my twenties before I figured that out.
#11
Quote from: altered on January 07, 2024, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: mx krabs the bepronouned on January 07, 2024, 02:00:04 PM
feel like he'd read like BIP and take away all the wrong messages . if he makes a single tweet about this all of the cryptocurrency/roko's basilisk guys would overwhelm us in seconds

He won't. He's too pig-brained to actually recognize any value in Discordian messaging. The one to worry about is Yudkowsky.

I vaguely recall that Yudkowsky mentioned Discordianism once?  So it may already be too late.  I was reading through some of the writings on lesswrong a while back.  Google isn't helping me find the specific reference, though.

I find a lot of Yudkowsky's rationalist ideas to be interesting/useful, but his views on AGI are bonkers.  His reaction to the Roko's Basilisk nonsense, at least, indicates to me that even if he can discuss the mental tools of rationality, he isn't very good at applying them consistently, and is highly susceptible to fear-motivated rationalization.
#12
Quote from: Faust on January 07, 2024, 03:20:34 PM
Just so you know elon bought the principiadiscordia.com last year for 10 dollars.

It was for sale?!!!?!??  I would have paid twice as much.
#13
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 21, 2023, 12:54:25 AM

Scott and Fatima are back, only now they have wedding rings.  They got married the same day they were moved out of the ICU, apparently.  That is so Tucson, I don't even know where to start.


They were in the ICU?  I am morbidly curious as to how they had the shaker table programmed, and the type of injuries incurred, but... some things are better left unknown.

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Our CPO actually said, with a straight face, "we must leverage our synergies" to improve purchasing BY MAKING THE ENTIRE GLOBAL ENTITY RUN *ALL* RAW MATERIAL PURCHASES THROUGH THE HOME OFFICE.  I found myself desperately trying to choke my computer out, because you apparently can't strangle anyone through the internet (note:  save this idea for the next round of proposals).

Our management has a fetish for something called a "single source of truth."

"Single source of truth" and "single point of failure" are strictly synonyms.
#14
Principia Discussion / Re: Local 73rd Hermits Cabal
December 04, 2023, 04:24:10 AM
Quote from: Tinfoilment on December 03, 2023, 08:17:42 AM
To be honest, I have been off and on forums decades ago, this is my first forum in years.  To encounter prejudice at the first is weird, but whatever.
Your posts were effluvial from the first.  No prejudice was required.

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It is irritating being treated as an enemy by Discordians, considering a lifetime of devotion to Eris.
Your faith is too weak, or whatever.  Go on a pilgrimage to a fetid swamp with no communication with the outside world and meditate for a couple decades, that'll sort you out.
#15
Literate Chaotic / It's just you
November 19, 2023, 05:07:27 PM
Everyone is haunted by ghosts only they can see.

They're with us from infancy, wandering, lurking, following.

Even before we learn to speak, we learn they are not part of the common experience.  No one else sees them, hears them, smells them, feels them.  Language can only be used to convey concepts we have in common; what only one person can perceive, can have no meaningful name.

We form blindspots.  No-one else sees them, so they're not there.  This isn't mere disbelief, but a strong and unshakeable belief in non-existence.  Sometimes it takes a little longer to develop, and the adults laugh and say we have an "imaginary friend", and that we'll grow out of it.  And to be fair, sometimes it is an imaginary friend...and sometimes, it's neither imaginary, nor friend.  But we always learn.  We must.

They're  opaque.  They're with you even now.  When you're driving and a car comes out of nowhere;  maybe your attention lapsed...or maybe there was a ghost blocking your view, and you simply couldn't see it, or the vehicle behind it.

You bump into a chair.  You stub your toe.
Maybe you misjudged your path...or maybe you were subconsciously side-stepping to avoid the ghost only you can see.