You are a liar.
Yes, you. You and every single other human on this planet. All of us have told some lie or another at some time in their life. A little white lie here, a small fib there, a sin of omission every now and then. Why do we do it? Because we can't help ourselves. We lie to our friends to make them feel better. We lie to our enemies to place traps in their way. But most of all we lie to ourselves to protect us from the bitter truth.
Now, imagine what would happen if every single person on this planet had to tell the absolute truth for one day. Every man, woman, and child. Every politician and lawyer. Every priest and holy man. Every salesman and haggler. What would happen? How many marriage would be destroyed? How many wars would be started? How many people would riot in the streets? Would all of society be reduced to rubble in less than a day? Maybe we need all of these little white lies and slight embellishments to glue our civilization together.
Being honest is over-rated.
I'm not sure society would come crashing down in just one day; certainly would be damaged, though. Are you still lying if you convince yourself that what you say is true?
Maybe I'd just stay silent.
Quote from: Anonymously Evil on April 12, 2008, 09:07:07 AM
I'm not sure society would come crashing down in just one day; certainly would be damaged, though. Are you still lying if you convince yourself that what you say is true?
Maybe I'd just stay silent.
I'm sure that a good lawyer would find ways around it with sleight of mouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleight_of_mouth) and quintuple negatives.
I've gotten high and watched Liar Lair, too.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on April 12, 2008, 05:31:22 PM
I've gotten high and watched Liar Lair, too.
:lol: :mittens:
made me think of that, too
Quote from: IasonOuabache on April 12, 2008, 09:02:28 AM
You are a liar.
Yes, you. You and every single other human on this planet. All of us have told some lie or another at some time in their life. A little white lie here, a small fib there, a sin of omission every now and then. Why do we do it? Because we can't help ourselves. We lie to our friends to make them feel better. We lie to our enemies to place traps in their way. But most of all we lie to ourselves to protect us from the bitter truth.
Now, imagine what would happen if every single person on this planet had to tell the absolute truth for one day. Every man, woman, and child. Every politician and lawyer. Every priest and holy man. Every salesman and haggler. What would happen? How many marriage would be destroyed? How many wars would be started? How many people would riot in the streets? Would all of society be reduced to rubble in less than a day? Maybe we need all of these little white lies and slight embellishments to glue our civilization together.
Being honest is over-rated.
I like honesty. I like being able to just tell people what I'm thinking. I like knowing whats really going on. I like people to just come out and tell me what they really think of me, cause at least I'm not fooling myself then. If people hate me, then I want to know that, or just stick around me for some other reason, I'd like to know. I want to surround myself with people who really do fucking care about me, and those who would try to fool me can go fuck themselves.
Theres this bullshit quote "be the change you want to see in the world". I want to see honesty in this world. So I'm honest.
And I honestly didn't care too much for your rant, because those things you listed? They seem like they would at least make people stop and think, create some change, if not bring down the whole system.
Wish that Birth of the Lie thread has been retained so long ago...
~Kaimi
Lying is just more fun
"Yes I paid for that" ... "No officer I've been right here all night" ... "Of course I won't come in your mouth"
I would hope that society would come crashing down, because otherwise I would be spending a rather long time in jail.
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 12, 2008, 06:35:11 PM
Lying is just more fun
"Yes I paid for that" ... "No officer I've been right here all night" ... "Of course I won't come in your mouth"
:mittens:
If nothing else, a sudden overwhelming surge of honesty would be a serious mindfuck for people who are so wrapped up in the Social Game that they can no longer distinguish themselves from it.
Quote from: Cainad on April 12, 2008, 08:50:26 PM
If nothing else, a sudden overwhelming surge of honesty would be a serious mindfuck for people who are so wrapped up in the Social Game that they can no longer distinguish themselves from it.
Yeah, that was my point, pretty much. People are so used to lying that honesty would throw them off the deep end.
Plus, I just like honesty.
What are the two biggest lies in Poland?
"The check is in your mouth", and "I won't come in the mail."
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.
All of my lies are true.
Quote from: vexati0n on April 13, 2008, 06:36:15 AM
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.
At least you're being honest about your opinions then.
Quote from: vexati0n on April 13, 2008, 06:36:15 AM
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.
Bollocks. There is opinion, and there is truth.
Facts are facts. It's the interpretation of them that becomes the lie.
IOW, there is truth, but most of us have no fucking clue what it is.
But the idea of people consciously NOT lying...when they could have, or normally would have. yeah, that would throw a few kinks in the works.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2008, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on April 13, 2008, 06:36:15 AM
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.
Bollocks. There is opinion, and there is truth.
Yeah, but most people cannot tell the difference between their opinions and facts.
I think we should invade Iraq: opinion.
Iraq presents no greater security threat to the USA than it did in the last decade: fact.
The problem is, people make value judgements not based on facts, but on the little voices in their heads that tell them what is right and wrong and how the world is "supposed to work". Often this involves some sort of dubious book of Middle Eastern origin, shoddy scholarship, suck, fail and hallucinatory mushrooms.
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
Yeah, but most people cannot tell the difference between their opinions and facts.
I think we should invade Iraq: opinion.
Iraq presents no greater security threat to the USA than it did in the last decade: fact.
The problem is, people make value judgements not based on facts, but on the little voices in their heads that tell them what is right and wrong and how the world is "supposed to work". Often this involves some sort of dubious book of Middle Eastern origin, shoddy scholarship, suck, fail and hallucinatory mushrooms.
Troof. This is reason #345 that I hate people.
I think you might be confusing "telling the truth" with "saying all the negative shit you wouldn't normally say due to common courtesy."
Honesty is a shit policy, eg.
Q) "Does my ass look big in these jeans?"
A) I'm not getting laid tonite :argh!:
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 14, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
Honesty is a shit policy, eg.
Q) "Does my ass look big in these jeans?"
A) I'm not getting laid tonite :argh!:
that's not really a question, thats just her way of telling you she feels too bad to have sex today.
Quote from: IasonOuabache on April 12, 2008, 09:02:28 AM
You are a liar.
Yes, you. You and every single other human on this planet. All of us have told some lie or another at some time in their life. A little white lie here, a small fib there, a sin of omission every now and then. Why do we do it? Because we can't help ourselves. We lie to our friends to make them feel better. We lie to our enemies to place traps in their way. But most of all we lie to ourselves to protect us from the bitter truth.
Now, imagine what would happen if every single person on this planet had to tell the absolute truth for one day. Every man, woman, and child. Every politician and lawyer. Every priest and holy man. Every salesman and haggler. What would happen? How many marriage would be destroyed? How many wars would be started? How many people would riot in the streets? Would all of society be reduced to rubble in less than a day? Maybe we need all of these little white lies and slight embellishments to glue our civilization together.
Being honest is over-rated.
If a women ever asked me if I have ever been to a brothel, I am screwed because I hate to lie... Then again, I don't ever expect to have any fulfilling type of relationship with someone anyways. I'm broken... too far gone... mental.
:( I am one sorry individual, I must admit.
edit:
For everyone to be honest, I suspect everyone should also be a little less judgemental as well? (for my sake)
Quote from: wun-zee-row-fow-er on April 14, 2008, 08:58:13 PMI don't ever expect to have any fulfilling type of relationship with someone anyways. I'm broken... too far gone... mental.
:( I am one sorry individual, I must admit.
:emo:
Quote from: triple zero on April 14, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: wun-zee-row-fow-er on April 14, 2008, 08:58:13 PMI don't ever expect to have any fulfilling type of relationship with someone anyways. I'm broken... too far gone... mental.
:( I am one sorry individual, I must admit.
:emo:
meh... that's my current appraisal of self. :| if anyone 'knows' why I posted my 'self appraisal' hopefully your smart enough to ignore it.
no i was just pointing out why anybody might give you the emo label
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 14, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
Honesty is a shit policy, eg.
Q) "Does my ass look big in these jeans?"
A) I'm not getting laid tonite :argh!:
A) only applies if you don't like big butts. :D
Quote from: triple zero on April 14, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
no i was just pointing out why anybody might give you the emo label
ok.
I'd settle for a day where everybody just had to be honest with themselves. Failing that, a day where I have to be honest with myself.
IMO, you can be honest and silent at the same time.
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
IMO, you can be honest and silent at the same time.
Honest, yes. Truthful, no. Very subtle difference.
Quote from: IasonOuabache on April 15, 2008, 12:23:39 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
IMO, you can be honest and silent at the same time.
Honest, yes. Truthful, no. Very subtle difference.
In your OP you stipulated that everyone would have to "tell the truth". You didn't stipulate that everyone would have to talk constantly. It's true that there are such things as lies of omission, but a world in which everyone was constantly saying whatever they were thinking is not a world I would live in, mostly because people already do too fucking much of that already.
Quote from: wun-zee-row-fow-er on April 14, 2008, 09:08:11 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 14, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: wun-zee-row-fow-er on April 14, 2008, 08:58:13 PMI don't ever expect to have any fulfilling type of relationship with someone anyways. I'm broken... too far gone... mental.
:( I am one sorry individual, I must admit.
:emo:
meh... that's my current appraisal of self. :| if anyone 'knows' why I posted my 'self appraisal' hopefully your smart enough to ignore it.
Look, if you MUST whine, please do so out in the cold of the rest of the internets.
You're staining the seats.
Quote from: IasonOuabache on April 15, 2008, 12:23:39 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
IMO, you can be honest and silent at the same time.
Honest, yes. Truthful, no. Very subtle difference.
Why does truth always have to be spoken?
Lying has its uses.
like cleaning your drain and oven.
:roll:
How about being honest with yourself and being honest with others when it's important?
What do you mean by "being honest with yourself"?
When lying to myself, I always know that I'm lying. Otherwise, it's just called being wrong.
That's you.
Many people in my opinion believe what they believe for feelings of comfort, acceptance or something else that suits a need of theirs.
Seeking truth and not hiding from it is what I should have said.
If one can embrace the truth, then being honest at crucial times will be infinitely more valuable.
Quote from: Pope Naughty Nasturtiums on April 17, 2008, 01:50:50 AM
What do you mean by "being honest with yourself"?
When lying to myself, I always know that I'm lying. Otherwise, it's just called being wrong.
Lots of people lie to themselves with knowing it. It's called being in denial.
And somehow, accepting that one is in denial is one of the hardest things in life to do. :x
I direct everyone to my sig.
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 12, 2008, 06:35:11 PM
Lying is just more fun
"Yes I paid for that" ... "No officer I've been right here all night" ... "Of course I won't come in your mouth"
"i did not bite, you are just too sensitive"
"I'll just put the tip in."
Quote from: LMNO on April 17, 2008, 04:58:15 PM
"I'll just put the tip in."
:lol: I just got that.
/is still pre-coffee
Has any woman actually fallen for that?
What would the point of just putting the tip in be? I mean, besides being frustrating for everyone involved?
Because then they would only lose half of teh virginity.
Is it like only "kind of" cheating?
I have no idea. I've only been with women who say things like, "goddam it, i need your cock in me!"
Quote from: LMNO on April 18, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
I have no idea. I've only been with women who say things like, "goddam it, i need your cock in me!"
I don't know whether to :lulz: or :|
Quote from: Nigel on April 17, 2008, 10:24:36 PM
What would the point of just putting the tip in be? I mean, besides being frustrating for everyone involved?
I think it's a stupid hope for pity-sex. "Whines: But you let me put the tiiip iiin, whine whine whine" Anyone who falls for it deserves it.
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on April 18, 2008, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 17, 2008, 10:24:36 PM
What would the point of just putting the tip in be? I mean, besides being frustrating for everyone involved?
I think it's a stupid hope for pity-sex. "Whines: But you let me put the tiiip iiin, whine whine whine" Anyone who falls for it deserves it.
I would think that it would most often be used with virgins, who don't want to lose their virginity. so they may not understand what is most likely to happen if you just put the tip in...
I cannot bring myself to believe that anyone has EVER fallen for it.
given teen pregnancy rates...I think a lot of girls have fallen for it. :|
Quote from: Roo on April 19, 2008, 02:26:30 AM
given teen pregnancy rates...I think a lot of girls have fallen for it. :|
Because they were tricked. Right.
Quote from: Cain on April 17, 2008, 07:33:17 AM
I direct everyone to my sig.
Damn you Cain, I was going to do the house reference too when I read the OP.
Fuck it I will anyway.
(http://static.desktopnexus.com/wallpapers/10407-bigthumbnail.jpg)
House MD would be one of your top preachers, I'd say.
Quote from: Roo on April 19, 2008, 02:26:30 AM
given teen pregnancy rates...I think a lot of girls have fallen for it. :|
Hahaha no. That's completely fucking stupid. Teen pregnancy rates are what they are because a lot of teenage girls want to fuck and don't have access to reliable birth control.
It's not like tons of teen girls are horny but retarded.
Really?
In my experience, that's practically the definition. Especially in my home town, where I know damn well they had to attend sex ed classes on contraception (because I did as well) and there are two doctor's clinics which sell them (not to mention every single pub having a machine in both the men's and women's toilets for condoms).....and yet, still, about half the people of my age now have kids, because they were horny retards. I suspect there were more than a few abortions as well.
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2008, 07:09:15 PM
Really?
In my experience, that's practically the definition. Especially in my home town, where I know damn well they had to attend sex ed classes on contraception (because I did as well) and there are two doctor's clinics which sell them (not to mention every single pub having a machine in both the men's and women's toilets for condoms).....and yet, still, about half the people of my age now have kids, because they were horny retards. I suspect there were more than a few abortions as well.
Well, I guess if you define most people as "horny but retarded", that works.
But with regards to "I'll just put the tip in", that would take another level of retardation.
Quote from: Nigel on April 19, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2008, 07:09:15 PM
Really?
In my experience, that's practically the definition. Especially in my home town, where I know damn well they had to attend sex ed classes on contraception (because I did as well) and there are two doctor's clinics which sell them (not to mention every single pub having a machine in both the men's and women's toilets for condoms).....and yet, still, about half the people of my age now have kids, because they were horny retards. I suspect there were more than a few abortions as well.
Well, I guess if you define most people as "horny but retarded", that works.
But with regards to "I'll just put the tip in", that would take another level of retardation.
Not necessarily "most people", but definitely "most teen girls".
Or just plain old innocence. I think the purpose of "I'll just put the tip in" is in respond to the fear that having sex will really hurt.
Quote from: Roo on April 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 19, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2008, 07:09:15 PM
Really?
In my experience, that's practically the definition. Especially in my home town, where I know damn well they had to attend sex ed classes on contraception (because I did as well) and there are two doctor's clinics which sell them (not to mention every single pub having a machine in both the men's and women's toilets for condoms).....and yet, still, about half the people of my age now have kids, because they were horny retards. I suspect there were more than a few abortions as well.
Well, I guess if you define most people as "horny but retarded", that works.
But with regards to "I'll just put the tip in", that would take another level of retardation.
Not necessarily "most people", but definitely "most teen girls".
Or just plain old innocence. I think the purpose of "I'll just put the tip in" is in respond to the fear that having sex will really hurt.
Has anyone ever said it to you? I've never heard it before.
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
1 - Who the fuck are you?
2 - Murk Loar
3 - Barstool
kthnx
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 21, 2008, 10:00:30 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
1 - Who the fuck are you?
2 - Murk Loar
3 - Barstool
kthnx
Irrelevent.
no, check out the barstool experiment parable in Principia Discussion, seriously.
SRSLY. DO EEET.
<oldmeme>In Soviet Russia, the Barstool checks YOU out.</oldmeme>
<oldmeme>Gentlemen, if my opinion defines reality, then WAYSA?</oldmeme>
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
WTF?
Quote from: Hawk on April 21, 2008, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
WTF?
Shooby is teaching us how to be "really real" discordians.
People, PAY ATTENTION. YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING.
IM GOING TO GO JERK OFF NOW. :fap:
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
I hope you guys don't mind if I talk about the topic for a bit...
There is no difference between reality and your opinions; which could be percieved respectively as truth and lies. You believe your opinions whether they are true or false. What other people present as true, you make think that they are "full of shit" or otherwise false. Your world will not change due to my reality. Remember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
fyi, you're preaching to the choir. You will also find that the choir gets a little tired of hearing the same hymns over and over again. It's not that anyone disagrees with you, per se, just that, well, we've kind of heard it before. But, welcome all the same.
Also: Do you know Chuck Full-O-Pope? He's currently in your area of Maine, I think.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 21, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
fyi, you're preaching to the choir.
Preaching to the choir is when you already agree.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 09:11:44 AM
There is no difference between reality and your opinions
I think I know what he (?) is actually trying to get at, but I'm not on board here.
See: Barstool.
I'm not sure that the bar stool necessarily applies here.
QuoteRemember, everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.
This statement has some truth in it... we hold that the bar stool hurts because of the electromagnetic force between the atoms that make our head and the atoms that make the bar stool. In fact, there may be some completely different TRUE (as in actual) reason why hitting the bar stool hurts.
Of course, in the end, the bar stool still hurts, but I'm not sure he was aiming at sophistry here.
Cut him a break, he went through the same hell-winter I went through. He probably has water on the brain.
rat, the point is that there are things that are true even if nobody told you about them.
if nobody told you barstool hurt, or even if you were raised in the jungle by the doctrine that these mythical things called "barstools" are unable to hurt you, you're still going to get hurt by one if you wander into the wrong kind of bar.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 21, 2008, 08:55:27 PM
Cut him a break, he went through the same hell-winter I went through. He probably has water on the brain.
Oh shit, he does? I hope his fevered delusions don't ruin reality! :lulz:
Quote from: triple zero on April 21, 2008, 08:58:00 PM
rat, the point is that there are things that are true even if nobody told you about them.
if nobody told you barstool hurt, or even if you were raised in the jungle by the doctrine that these mythical things called "barstools" are unable to hurt you, you're still going to get hurt by one if you wander into the wrong kind of bar.
Well, yes... but that's not what he said
"everything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong."
It doesn't seem to me that the statement is claiming that there is no truth... but only that truth as we understand it may be wrong. The bar stool may well exist, it may hurt like hell if you get hit with it... but the reason we think it hurts (electromagnetic force) may be false and some other reason may be true.
Just because someone mentions subjectivity doesn't particularly mean that they're taking the "Barstool does not exist" path... I don't think.
EDIT:
or even if you were raised in the jungle by the doctrine that these mythical things called "barstools" are unable to hurt youeverything you hold as true is because somebody else simply told you it was. Maybe they were wrong.These two statements could be stating the same thing... couldn't they?
okay, this is getting a bit nitpicky now, but he said *everything*
there are some things i hold as true because i found them empirically
if he said "most things" i dont think people would have fallen over it.
Ok, I was probably innacurate in some things, but I think you get the point if you don't get too literal. Of course getting smashed with a barstool will hurt; it would hurt whether you thought it would or if you thought it wouldn't or if you had no idea either way. I think you'd find that out for yourself. Now, whether or not the earth is flat, you going to take somebody elses word for it?
Also, I went ahead and skipped that horrible Maine winter this year. I've been in the Middle East for the past four months. So have fun shoveling the drive, I'll be home when the sun is out.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:44:24 AMOk, I was probably innacurate in some things, but I think you get the point if you don't get too literal. Of course getting smashed with a barstool will hurt; it would hurt whether you thought it would or if you thought it wouldn't or if you had no idea either way. I think you'd find that out for yourself. Now, whether or not the earth is flat, you going to take somebody elses word for it?
ever been to the ocean? you can see ships sailing "below" the horizon.
Yeah, that is pretty trippy. I love living near the ocean.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:44:24 AM
Ok, I was probably innacurate in some things, but I think you get the point if you don't get too literal. Of course getting smashed with a barstool will hurt; it would hurt whether you thought it would or if you thought it wouldn't or if you had no idea either way. I think you'd find that out for yourself. Now, whether or not the earth is flat, you going to take somebody elses word for it?
Black Iron Prison + Barstool.
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:44:24 AMOk, I was probably innacurate in some things, but I think you get the point if you don't get too literal. Of course getting smashed with a barstool will hurt; it would hurt whether you thought it would or if you thought it wouldn't or if you had no idea either way. I think you'd find that out for yourself. Now, whether or not the earth is flat, you going to take somebody elses word for it?
ever been to the ocean? you can see ships sailing "below" the horizon.
Exactly, you can see for your own eyes the truth, yet, the majority at one time believed something else. Some people still think the Earth is flat. But, also, can't something sitting on a flat object appear below the horizon? Like looking at a table from an angle... What were we talking about again?
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 24, 2008, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:44:24 AMOk, I was probably innacurate in some things, but I think you get the point if you don't get too literal. Of course getting smashed with a barstool will hurt; it would hurt whether you thought it would or if you thought it wouldn't or if you had no idea either way. I think you'd find that out for yourself. Now, whether or not the earth is flat, you going to take somebody elses word for it?
ever been to the ocean? you can see ships sailing "below" the horizon.
Exactly, you can see for your own eyes the truth, yet, the majority at one time believed something else. Some people still think the Earth is flat. But, also, can't something sitting on a flat object appear below the horizon? Like looking at a table from an angle... What were we talking about again?
I think it was something about you being an idiot.
Weren't you an old 50 proponent, L?
Suggestion, not rule.
But, yeah.
Sorry Shooby, please re-read my reply in 33 more posts.
Quote from: LMNO on April 24, 2008, 03:15:06 PM
Sorry Shooby,
Nice way to give in, FAG.
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Actually Silly suggested he lurk moar, but he declined. Prognosis Negative.
:argh!:
LMNO
-polesmoker.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 24, 2008, 10:27:50 AMQuote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 02:07:15 PMever been to the ocean? you can see ships sailing "below" the horizon.
Exactly, you can see for your own eyes the truth, yet, the majority at one time believed something else. Some people still think the Earth is flat.
what do you mean, still?
QuoteBut, also, can't something sitting on a flat object appear below the horizon? Like looking at a table from an angle... What were we talking about again?
that's what i said, right?
but it's not the angle, it's a known fact that, due to the refraction in the atmosphere (especially in the evening), the horizon actually appears a few arc-degrees higher than the surface of the sea, depending on the distance you view it at. this is why you can't see infinitely far.