Error There Has Been!
what did he do?
who?
I would first need to be in a band again (in which such i havent ever played grunge)...
STDs from groupies would be nice
claritin-d has possesed yuo :?
Quote from: Broken AI on October 04, 2009, 12:44:52 PM
I totally hope you get like throat cancer from preforming in those grungy dives, and like, die or some shit. that would be fucking ace.
:fap:
either that or get The Aids from some crack groupie and pop your clogs and stuff.
The establishment would just die from the shock!
:mittens:
The establishment just doesn't know how edgy he truly is
I just love how sharp your childish sarcasm is.
WTF is this shit?
Quote from: Kai on October 04, 2009, 08:39:34 PM
WTF is this shit?
I have no idea what BAI's problem with Johnny.
However mine stems from this
Quote from: JohNyx on September 28, 2009, 05:42:59 AM
Spending 5-20$ to do a prank most likely only a small percentage of people will run into seems liek a waste.
The rest of the crap your saying is basicly the meme bombs part of Operation Mindfuck.
Ive always thought the pope card thing to be of weak impact.
Go vandalize bibles, way more entertaining, productive and bigger audience.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 08:19:04 PM
I just love how sharp your childish sarcasm is.
:lulz:
That pains me
WELL That chers me
(http://www.morethings.com/images/margaret_thatcher/margaret-thatcher-5000.jpg)
Irrelevant picture of Margaret Thatcher.
You really are on the cutting edge of things aren't you now
I still don't get what the fuck this is about.
My research team has convened on one major theory:
Claritin-D has penetrated BAI's blood brain barrier. (That or the african plague infested mosquitoes)
Quote from: Kai on October 04, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
I still don't get what the fuck this is about.
I might just be an asshole, but I have a problem with people saying
"NO THAT IDEA IS RETARDED IT COST MONIES GO DO THIS ONE IT MUCH BETTER AND COOLER!"
Again that just might be me
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 04, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Kai on October 04, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
I still don't get what the fuck this is about.
I might just be an asshole, but I have a problem with people saying
"NO THAT IDEA IS RETARDED IT COST MONIES GO DO THIS ONE IT MUCH BETTER AND COOLER!"
Again that just might be me
Really? I read that as:
"Hmm, that plan has too high a cost for too small of an impact. Just breaking things would be more effective, for less money."
Sounds like a reasonable criticism.
a grudge bleeding over onto other threads?
a grudge over some noob idea that a member that doesnt even exist anymore posted.
and yea, spending money on something that does SMALL IMPACT, was the point of my criticism.
then i vaguely referenced an ongoing project in O:MF about modifying bibles in hotels.
Now, grow up.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 10:47:25 PM
My research team has convened on one major theory:
Claritin-D has penetrated BAI's blood brain barrier. (That or the african plague infested mosquitoes)
Maybe somebody vandalized his bible.
Quote from: GA on October 04, 2009, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 04, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Kai on October 04, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
I still don't get what the fuck this is about.
I might just be an asshole, but I have a problem with people saying
"NO THAT IDEA IS RETARDED IT COST MONIES GO DO THIS ONE IT MUCH BETTER AND COOLER!"
Again that just might be me
Really? I read that as:
"Hmm, that plan has too high a cost for too small of an impact. Just breaking things would be more effective, for less money."
Sounds like a reasonable criticism.
Yes, because breaking/vandalizing bibles will have lots of impact. It won't put people into howling 2-3 circuit thinking at all.
:lulz:
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
a grudge bleeding over onto other threads?
a grudge over some noob idea that a member that doesnt even exist anymore posted.
and yea, spending money on something that does SMALL IMPACT, was the point of my criticism.
then i vaguely referenced an ongoing project in O:MF about modifying bibles in hotels.
Now, grow up.
:lulz:
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
a grudge bleeding over onto other threads?
a grudge over some noob idea that a member that doesnt even exist anymore posted.
Welcome to PD.com
Quote from: Rumckle on October 05, 2009, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
a grudge bleeding over onto other threads?
a grudge over some noob idea that a member that doesnt even exist anymore posted.
Welcome to PD.com
...AND GROW THE HELL UP!
:lulz:
To me the difference between constructive content and asshole trolling, seems to be the degree of thought the critic puts into how the audience will react to it. Saying "I was too rushed to express myself clearly" or "if someone else had said it, it would have had a different response", and a myriad of different excuses.. are all largely irrelevant to this.
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:31:05 AM
To me the difference between constructive content and asshole trolling, seems to be the degree of thought the critic puts into how the audience will react to it. Saying "I was too rushed to express myself clearly" or "if someone else had said it, it would have had a different response", and a myriad of different excuses.. are all largely irrelevant to this.
Shut up and start crapping on peoples' holy texts. It's the only way to mindfuck.
And when they figure out what you are up to, start crapping on your own holy text, to confuse them even further.
Quote from: Rumckle on October 05, 2009, 12:33:42 AM
And when they figure out what you are up to, start crapping on your own holy text, to confuse them even further.
No, only bibles.
People are much more open to new ideas after you have vandalized their holy text, which is why I always use my annotated version of the Qur'an as a teaching tool when talking to Muslims.
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr70/AidanGriff/loldicks.jpg?t=1254699248)
EDGY!
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/poobible.jpg)
Muslim: Actually the Qur'an is against violence towards Jews and Christians and are categorized as dhimmi or protected people and are viewed as brothers to a certain sense
Me: (shoves annotated Qur'an in face)
Muslim: :eek: Obviously I didn't recognize your edginess. I take back everything I just said. Praise the Lord! Praise Jesus!
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:47:23 AM
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/poobible.jpg)
Who put a sausage in the fifth Harry Potter book?
but of course! putting a PD book you bought, that is full of out of date references and jokes into a random place in a bookstore is just so sharp that it will cut right thru their conformist mindset !!!1!!1
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE PRICE TAG IS $1,000,000,000 OMGZ !111!!!
I think it would at least elicit a chuckle, then a read, then possibly an involvement in Discordian activities.
However just pissing people off for a couple of seconds until they call for a replacement of their bible by hotel management is the way really REAL discordians do it
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 12:51:28 AM
but of course! putting a PD book you bought, that is full of out of date references and jokes into a random place in a bookstore is just so sharp that it will cut right thru their conformist mindset !!!1!!1
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE PRICE TAG IS $1,000,000,000 OMGZ !111!!!
TITS!
Awesome - by vandalising your text, you should be a lot more receptive to what I have to say now.
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:57:45 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 12:51:28 AM
but of course! putting a PD book you bought, that is full of out of date references and jokes into a random place in a bookstore is just so sharp that it will cut right thru their conformist mindset !!!1!!1
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE PRICE TAG IS $1,000,000,000 OMGZ !111!!!
TITS!
Awesome - by vandalising your text, you should be a lot more receptive to what I have to say now.
:lulz:
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:57:45 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 12:51:28 AM
but of course! putting a PD book you bought, that is full of out of date references and jokes into a random place in a bookstore is just so sharp that it will cut right thru their conformist mindset !!!1!!1
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE PRICE TAG IS $1,000,000,000 OMGZ !111!!!
TITS!
Awesome - by vandalising your text, you should be a lot more receptive to what I have to say now.
:lulz: :mittens:
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:57:45 AM
Awesome - by vandalising your text, you should be a lot more receptive to what I have to say now.
That you guys have a vested interest in trolling and flaming me.
Yeah.
Because
my only definition of subversion is vandalizing bibles, and i was so totally not using that as a trivializing comparison of how both activities are of none to low impact.
You sure enjoy nitpicking and ganging up.
And FP's moment in the sun to feel included. :wink:
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 12:57:45 AM
Awesome - by vandalising your text, you should be a lot more receptive to what I have to say now.
That you guys have a vested interest in trolling and flaming me.
Yeah.
Because my only definition of subversion is vandalizing bibles, and i was so totally not using that as a trivializing comparison of how both activities are of none to low impact.
You sure enjoy nitpicking and ganging up.
Dude. Everyone gets flamed here for something once in a while. Best not to take it personally. If you do, you won't make it, cause taking things personally just makes you more of a target.
And yes, yes we do. Forum full of professional trolls.
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
Maybe http://www.23ae.com/ would be more to your liking.
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:18:14 AM
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
Maybe http://www.23ae.com/ would be more to your liking.
I mean - he wasn't trolling, and as far as I can tell all of his posts have been in good faith. Trying to drive off an obnoxious asshole, someone with nothing to contribute, or a lame troll makes sense; tearing a new poster a new orifice because he thinks the PD is a little out of date doesn't. If we want this board to be one that generates new content, ever, we need people who are willing to contribute, criticize each other, and molest a few sacred cows. Driving people off who disagree with established members on small matters is no different than closing down registration to protect your ideas from people who don't like them.
A healthy immune system works against pathogenic invaders. From here, it looks like PD has an autoimmune disorder.
Yep. We like it that way. :)
I know y'all need to attack someone, im just trying to show you its for no reason.
Wonder why you complain about other forum boards doing the same thing?
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:33:24 AM
I know y'all need to attack someone, im just trying to show you its for no reason.
Wonder why you complain about other forum boards doing the same thing?
I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to. :)
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:26:55 AM
I mean - he wasn't trolling, and as far as I can tell all of his posts have been in good faith. Trying to drive off an obnoxious asshole, someone with nothing to contribute, or a lame troll makes sense; tearing a new poster a new orifice because he thinks the PD is a little out of date doesn't. If we want this board to be one that generates new content, ever, we need people who are willing to contribute, criticize each other, and molest a few sacred cows. Driving people off who disagree with established members on small matters is no different than closing down registration to protect your ideas from people who don't like them.
A healthy immune system works against pathogenic invaders. From here, it looks like PD has an autoimmune disorder.
Heh
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but my small amount of poking him with a stick was just because his response was amusing
I got nothing against you JohNyx (apart from the usual)
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:26:55 AM
A healthy immune system works against pathogenic invaders. From here, it looks like PD has an autoimmune disorder.
Even if that were true, the way JohNyx is reacting right now does nothing but inflame the situation. I've been in his position, and likely will again. Lecturing people doesn't work. Simply being right (even if you are, which is never guaranteed) doesn't work. Pointing it out just makes enemies. Literally the only way to fix the problem (if it existed) would be to work it from the
inside and even then lead by example, not by preaching.
Pretty much anything else is trolling or just plain laziness - that's the situation as I see it.
Also, while I like biological metaphors, calling the way we interact with newbies an "autoimmune disorder" is weak.
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 02:05:45 AM
Also, while I like biological metaphors, calling the way we interact with newbies an "autoimmune disorder" is weak.
Rejecting new blood, while not technically an autoimmune disorder, is still a maladaptive immune system response when the blood is healthy. Literal new blood or figurative new blood, same either way.
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
I think it would at least elicit a chuckle, then a read, then possibly an involvement in Discordian activities.
However just pissing people off for a couple of seconds until they call for a replacement of their bible by hotel management is the way really REAL discordians do it
REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS FOR REALNESS.
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 02:05:45 AM
Also, while I like biological metaphors, calling the way we interact with newbies an "autoimmune disorder" is weak.
Rejecting new blood, while not technically an autoimmune disorder, is still a maladaptive immune system response when the blood is healthy. Literal new blood or figurative new blood, same either way.
This ain't healthy blood.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
That you guys have a vested interest in trolling and flaming me.
Yes, we're paid to do it. No, really.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
You sure enjoy nitpicking and ganging up.
Life sucks. Wear a hat.
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
Nothing. We've had several new users that didn't get shat all over. But the problem is obviously with us, right, and not with some lowbrow asswipe who thinks the height of mindfucking is vandalizing bibles.
Right? Right right right?
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:40:11 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:33:24 AM
I know y'all need to attack someone, im just trying to show you its for no reason.
Wonder why you complain about other forum boards doing the same thing?
I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to. :)
This.
Plus, JohNyx is a pud.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 01:33:24 AM
I know y'all need to attack someone, im just trying to show you its for no reason.
Wonder why you complain about other forum boards doing the same thing?
It isn't the same thing.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 02:35:34 AM
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
Nothing. We've had several new users that didn't get shat all over. But the problem is obviously with us, right, and not with some lowbrow asswipe who thinks the height of mindfucking is vandalizing bibles.
Are you kidding? "Tits" "LOL INDUENDDO" and "DICKS LAWL" are on the cutting edge of social commentary today
Oh look at me, i have over 3000 posts which makes me really real discordian with all my really real discordian buddies with over 3000 posts
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:05:13 AM
Oh look at me, i have over 3000 posts which makes me really real discordian with all my really real discordian buddies with over 3000 posts
:lulz:
Shut the fuck up, meatsack. Your problem isn't your postcount, it's you.
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
Maybe if you manage to get rid of enough stress in the internet, you'll manage to avoid a stroke for a few months longer.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:13:57 AM
Maybe if you manage to get rid of enough stress in the internet, you'll manage to avoid a stroke for a few months longer.
You think? :lulz:
You aren't ready for the bigs, kid. You should head over to the Myspace Discordians. They're more your speed.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
Ah, I didn't know we had a celebrity with us today?
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
Ah, I didn't know we had a celebrity with us today?
He's a SOMEBODY!
And what's up with that emo-ass looking avatar, Johnny?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:32:17 AM
And what's up with that emo-ass looking avatar, Johnny?
Oooh!
Maybe he's part of My Chemical Romance!
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:33:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:32:17 AM
And what's up with that emo-ass looking avatar, Johnny?
Oooh!
Maybe he's part of My Chemical Romance!
There go my nipples again. :fap:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 05, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
And a great musician!
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 05, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
Uh huh. It tells me he's learning the standard, boring, useless stuff.
If you want to learn real psychology, you take marketing coursework (ducks under the inevitable shitstorm).
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:36:22 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 05, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
And a great musician!
But is he known and noted?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:36:22 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 05, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
And a great musician!
But is he known and noted?
I bet he is!
He's not a nobody like you and me!
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:38:20 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:36:22 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 05, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
HAR HAR! Listen asshole, I have running sores older than you. Try your dime store psychology somewhere else.
:lulz:
He IS a psychology student... apparently
explains a lot
And a great musician!
But is he known and noted?
I bet he is!
He's not a nobody like you and me!
I could have been outlandish, if I'd tried a little harder. But I am a superunknown. :cry:
:lulz: <--the last page
Please JohNyx
TEACH US HOW TO BE A SUCCESSFUL!
I'm tired of being a NOBODY
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:40:01 AM
But I am a superunknown. :cry:
I'm so unknown that my names not even in the phonebook
I had a friend from Mexico, and when I mentioned "The Nyx" she practically orgasmed.
Quote from: Rumckle on October 05, 2009, 03:45:19 AM
I had a friend from Mexico, and when I mentioned "The Nyx" she practically orgasmed.
And he put "eris" in his email, so you know he's a REAL Discordian.
Now that he knows we know his secret he won't post!
Quote from: Rumckle on October 05, 2009, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 04, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
a grudge bleeding over onto other threads?
a grudge over some noob idea that a member that doesnt even exist anymore posted.
Welcome to PD.com
am I the only one that's bothered by the fact that the attitude presented in the above quote seems to not only be serious but popularly accepted and even encouraged?
Or have I accidentally logged in to SA or FC instead of PD?
Now if this thread was not ABOUT him originally I could understand that being called out of line.
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
this.
x 1000.
you guys are really turning into a pack of assholes lately.
which would be alot cooler if it were justified or even mildly amusing, but after about, oh, 18 months of "DOOD THIS IS PD AND WE ARE SOOPER SMART AND COOL AND IF YOU DONT LIKE HOW WE DO THINGS THEN YOU ARE A POOPYHEAD" the schtick starts to seem less like a funny quirk and more like the driving idea behind the culture of this forum.
I think there are alot of people ITT who should "grow up", as it was put, but JohnNyx doesn't seem to be one of them.
I wouldn't say it is encouraged, but when you have a board where free speech essentially is one of the key pillars (to the extent that there are no rules about flaming or trolling) it is inevitable.
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Dude. Everyone gets flamed here for something once in a while. Best not to take it personally. If you do, you won't make it, cause taking things personally just makes you more of a target.
And yes, yes we do. Forum full of professional trolls.
I'm sorry, Kai. you seem to have mistakenly logged on to PD.com instead of FuckedCompany.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:51:05 AM
Quote from: GA on October 05, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
Seriously, what is up with this board's immune response?
this.
x 1000.
you guys are really turning into a pack of assholes lately.
which would be alot cooler if it were justified or even mildly amusing, but after about, oh, 18 months of "DOOD THIS IS PD AND WE ARE SOOPER SMART AND COOL AND IF YOU DONT LIKE HOW WE DO THINGS THEN YOU ARE A POOPYHEAD" the schtick starts to seem less like a funny quirk and more like the driving idea behind the culture of this forum.
I think there are alot of people ITT who should "grow up", as it was put, but JohnNyx doesn't seem to be one of them.
Okay.
He's all yours.
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:32:19 AM
Yep. We like it that way. :)
no, actually, we don't.
or, at least, we shouldn't.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:53:58 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:32:19 AM
Yep. We like it that way. :)
no, actually, we don't.
or, at least, we shouldn't.
You're right. I should like having someone like Johnny show up on someone's mindfuck thread, casually dismiss the whole idea, and suggest that we all just go vandalize bibles as the supreme gesture of mindfuckery. What an ungrateful fuckwad I have been.
Thank you for putting me back on the straight and narrow.
well, not you.
I mean, all of your ideas are utterly perfect so obviously no input or criticism is ever necessary.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:56:59 AM
well, not you.
I mean, all of your ideas are utterly perfect so obviously no input or criticism is ever necessary.
It wasn't my thread.
But, by all means, carry on telling us all how worthless we all are compared to this paragon of a noob. I mean, if he's vandalizing bibles, he must be the very incarnation of Eris herself. I am naked and ashamed to be in his presence.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Dude. Everyone gets flamed here for something once in a while. Best not to take it personally. If you do, you won't make it, cause taking things personally just makes you more of a target.
And yes, yes we do. Forum full of professional trolls.
I'm sorry, Kai. you seem to have mistakenly logged on to PD.com instead of FuckedCompany.
I'm sorry too, because I never was a member of FC, nor can I ever remember a time where we haven't been hard on newbies. And possibly thats not how things should be, and I'm a bad shameful person for following the mob. If you notice, I cam into this thread saying WTF is this shit.
Don't have anything else to say.
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 04:03:00 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Dude. Everyone gets flamed here for something once in a while. Best not to take it personally. If you do, you won't make it, cause taking things personally just makes you more of a target.
And yes, yes we do. Forum full of professional trolls.
I'm sorry, Kai. you seem to have mistakenly logged on to PD.com instead of FuckedCompany.
I'm sorry too, because I never was a member of FC, nor can I ever remember a time where we haven't been hard on newbies. And possibly thats not how things should be, and I'm a bad shameful person for following the mob. If you notice, I cam into this thread saying WTF is this shit.
Don't have anything else to say.
Well, obviously, we're bad people and bad Discordians to boot. Hence the need for a public dressing down over a 3rd rate noob.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:58:53 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:56:59 AM
well, not you.
I mean, all of your ideas are utterly perfect so obviously no input or criticism is ever necessary.
It wasn't my thread.
But, by all means, carry on telling us all how worthless we all are compared to this paragon of a noob. I mean, if he's vandalizing bibles, he must be the very incarnation of Eris herself. I am naked and ashamed to be in his presence.
I don't think the uselessness of the noob's idea has any bearing on your normal response to anyone who doesn't have the requisite amount of "cred" when they choose to offer input on your ideas.
I also think (and this is maybe more at kai than you) that there's a world of difference between not being intellectually coddling towards noobs and just outright being a dick to them BECAUSE they're noobs. I suspect that if I offered up an idea that turned out to be mostly useless, your criticisms might be phrased more tactfully, so why is that courtesy so frequently NOT extended to the very people we rely upon to keep this board from stagnating (IOW, fresh blood)?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I don't think the uselessness of the noob's idea has any bearing on your normal response to anyone who doesn't have the requisite amount of "cred" when they choose to offer input on your ideas.
Oh, we're back to this already, are we? Again, it wasn't my idea the noob shat all over, but why let that stop you? I mean, this is a chance for you to beat your chest and demonstrate your alpha dominance schtick.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I also think (and this is maybe more at kai than you) that there's a world of difference between not being intellectually coddling towards noobs and just outright being a dick to them BECAUSE they're noobs. I suspect that if I offered up an idea that turned out to be mostly useless, your criticisms might be phrased more tactfully, so why is that courtesy so frequently NOT extended to the very people we rely upon to keep this board from stagnating (IOW, fresh blood)?
In a word: habituation.
And I do feel bad about it....considering I used to be the nicest person around here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:04:10 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 04:03:00 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 05, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Dude. Everyone gets flamed here for something once in a while. Best not to take it personally. If you do, you won't make it, cause taking things personally just makes you more of a target.
And yes, yes we do. Forum full of professional trolls.
I'm sorry, Kai. you seem to have mistakenly logged on to PD.com instead of FuckedCompany.
I'm sorry too, because I never was a member of FC, nor can I ever remember a time where we haven't been hard on newbies. And possibly thats not how things should be, and I'm a bad shameful person for following the mob. If you notice, I cam into this thread saying WTF is this shit.
Don't have anything else to say.
Well, obviously, we're bad people and bad Discordians to boot. Hence the need for a public dressing down over a 3rd rate noob.
FWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here, and only a tiny percentage of them will likely be aimed at you. I know everyone gets all huffy when I try to have an influence on the culture and direction of, y'know, my own website, but I actually don't give a shit since I'm more concerned about the culture and direction of this site than I am about anyone here's personal opinion of me.
I also have a suspicion that there's a silent majority out there who agree with me and aren't interested in taking the heat from a vocal minority for voicing that agreement, and that's OK too. I don't mind taking the heat.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:11:15 AM
FWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here, and only a tiny percentage of them will likely be aimed at you. I know everyone gets all huffy when I try to have an influence on the culture and direction of, y'know, my own website, but I actually don't give a shit since I'm more concerned about the culture and direction of this site than I am about anyone here's personal opinion of me.
I also have a suspicion that there's a silent majority out there who agree with me and aren't interested in taking the heat from a vocal minority for voicing that agreement, and that's OK too. I don't mind taking the heat.
Oh, boy, here we go.
El Presidente has spoken, and the new regime has arrived.
For Chrissakes.
TGRR,
Remembers someone else referencing a "silent majority" some decades back.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:09:23 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I don't think the uselessness of the noob's idea has any bearing on your normal response to anyone who doesn't have the requisite amount of "cred" when they choose to offer input on your ideas.
Oh, we're back to this already, are we? Again, it wasn't my idea the noob shat all over, but why let that stop you? I mean, this is a chance for you to beat your chest and demonstrate your alpha dominance schtick.
Yeah, I just read the thread in question. And I didn't see him "shit all over" anything. in fact, I haven't seen him do that anywhere on PD, though my infrequent visits lately don't allow me to say that with any certainty.
I did, however, see you shit all over him for basically nothing more than not liking his idea. If calling you out on that is an "alpha dominance schtick" then I guess I'm guilty. Whether you choose to overreact and make it personal is entirely up to you but I can warn you that it will leave you feeling unsatisfied since I'm not here often enough to engage in our yearly bout of verbal sparring right now.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:13:04 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:11:15 AM
FWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here, and only a tiny percentage of them will likely be aimed at you. I know everyone gets all huffy when I try to have an influence on the culture and direction of, y'know, my own website, but I actually don't give a shit since I'm more concerned about the culture and direction of this site than I am about anyone here's personal opinion of me.
I also have a suspicion that there's a silent majority out there who agree with me and aren't interested in taking the heat from a vocal minority for voicing that agreement, and that's OK too. I don't mind taking the heat.
Oh, boy, here we go.
El Presidente has spoken, and the new regime has arrived.
For Chrissakes.
TGRR,
Remembers someone else referencing a "silent majority" some decades back.
surely you can insult me in a more entertaining manner.
So tell me when I lose the plot: We will all be nice to all noobs from now on, so they can spray their edgy and pinealist shit all over the furniture, in an effort to gain new blood, because the old blood is useless. We'll just bend over backwards to be nice as hell to the Cowasses and DKs and AKKs, and let them turn this into another 23AE/Lovecrafty board, because it's painfully obvious that we haven't had a new user since 2005.
And those who don't like it will be PUBLICLY dressed down. "Lots more".
This is gonna be AWESOME. I am so totally onboard with this. Lead on, Generalissimo! You shall lead us into a bright new future, with Myspace accounts for all!
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:17:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:13:04 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:11:15 AM
FWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here, and only a tiny percentage of them will likely be aimed at you. I know everyone gets all huffy when I try to have an influence on the culture and direction of, y'know, my own website, but I actually don't give a shit since I'm more concerned about the culture and direction of this site than I am about anyone here's personal opinion of me.
I also have a suspicion that there's a silent majority out there who agree with me and aren't interested in taking the heat from a vocal minority for voicing that agreement, and that's OK too. I don't mind taking the heat.
Oh, boy, here we go.
El Presidente has spoken, and the new regime has arrived.
For Chrissakes.
TGRR,
Remembers someone else referencing a "silent majority" some decades back.
surely you can insult me in a more entertaining manner.
Don't have to, even if that was my intent, which it wasn't. Just read your own words.
QuoteFWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here
Oh, yeah. This is gonna be TITS.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I suspect that if I offered up an idea that turned out to be mostly useless, your criticisms might be phrased more tactfully, so why is that courtesy so frequently NOT extended to the very people we rely upon to keep this board from stagnating (IOW, fresh blood)?
Is there an example of a community where this does not happen? Is it even desirable - at what point does the energy required to approach an "ideal" meritocracy outweigh the benefits?
the problem with your line of reasoning is that I'd rather have a board with 10 people who actually DO stuff and have discussions that are more than the same superficial shit everyone else is talking about (and FWIW I'd consider you one of those people) than a board with 2000+ people posting 90% youtube links, rephrasing of blogosphere-generated armchair politics, and reasons to waste their time harassing smaller, less significant forums.
If you want to influence my thinking, you're not going about it the right way.
also, if you can step back a bit you'll probably notice that I'm not saying everyone needs to be nice to noobs, just that, as in almost all other areas of life, constructive criticism usually yields better results than pointless dickishness.
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 04:20:37 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I suspect that if I offered up an idea that turned out to be mostly useless, your criticisms might be phrased more tactfully, so why is that courtesy so frequently NOT extended to the very people we rely upon to keep this board from stagnating (IOW, fresh blood)?
Is there an example of a community where this does not happen? Is it even desirable - at what point does the energy required to approach an "ideal" meritocracy outweigh the benefits?
wut.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:26:33 AM
the problem with your line of reasoning is that I'd rather have a board with 10 people who actually DO stuff and have discussions that are more than the same superficial shit everyone else is talking about (and FWIW I'd consider you one of those people) than a board with 2000+ people posting 90% youtube links, rephrasing of blogosphere-generated armchair politics, and reasons to waste their time harassing smaller, less significant forums.
If you want to influence my thinking, you're not going about it the right way.
also, if you can step back a bit you'll probably notice that I'm not saying everyone needs to be nice to noobs, just that, as in almost all other areas of life, constructive criticism usually yields better results than pointless dickishness.
Um, yes. Like public dressings down concerning public dressings down.
Well, have it your way, ECH, because I'm done arguing about it.
Johnny, knock yourself out.
anyway, my laptop battery is gonna die but I have tomorrow off so I'll be back to see what kind of shitstorm I've stirred up here. Anyone else that is disappointed in the direction this board is taking but doesn't want to be publically flogged for saying so is welcome to PM me with the understanding that your confidence will be kept. I'd be interested in knowing how many other members feel the same way I do.
I know this: I've received enough PMs already in the last few months about this that I felt the need to finally address it in spite of my initial attempt to not give a shit what you spags are doing with the board.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:31:24 AM
anyway, my laptop battery is gonna die but I have tomorrow off so I'll be back to see what kind of shitstorm I've stirred up here. Anyone else that is disappointed in the direction this board is taking but doesn't want to be publically flogged for saying so is welcome to PM me with the understanding that your confidence will be kept. I'd be interested in knowing how many other members feel the same way I do.
I know this: I've received enough PMs already in the last few months about this that I felt the need to finally address it in spite of my initial attempt to not give a shit what you spags are doing with the board.
I see. An anonymous quorum.
I see precisely where this is going.
you can expect a knock on your door at midnight any time now, I'm sure.
or, y'know, it could just be the internet and I could just be trying to gague whether or not I even want to bother continuing with this site.
but yeah, probably the secret police thing.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:34:18 AM
you can expect a knock on your door at midnight any time now, I'm sure.
or, y'know, it could just be the internet and I could just be trying to gague whether or not I even want to bother continuing with this site.
but yeah, probably the secret police thing.
Continuing? You've been here about 10 times in the last year.
Fuck it. I'm not arguing about this. I have enough stress IRL, with work and whatnot. Do as you please.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:21:06 AM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Need a punching bag in a forum because in real life you are nobody?
Ah, I didn't know we had a celebrity with us today?
He's a SOMEBODY!
Quite right!
(http://appendix.23ae.com/pics/pope_card.jpg)
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:27:09 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 04:20:37 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
I suspect that if I offered up an idea that turned out to be mostly useless, your criticisms might be phrased more tactfully, so why is that courtesy so frequently NOT extended to the very people we rely upon to keep this board from stagnating (IOW, fresh blood)?
Is there an example of a community where this does not happen? Is it even desirable - at what point does the energy required to approach an "ideal" meritocracy outweigh the benefits?
wut.
To evaluate each noob fairly, as to not have "benefit of the doubt" responses proportional to established reputation, you need to approach a meritocracy. The nearest communities I can think of would be scientific, and even then there are plenty of examples of misguided estimations based on reputation. Also, as that evaluation procedure is a lot of work and not as much fun - it goes directly against our social tendencies - it requires a clear and demonstrable motivation otherwise it won't be adopted.
Speaking of motivation, this site may have its harsh corners, but I can't imagine another scenario which would have so quickly motivated me towards introspection to try to figure out why I received the reactions I did. A rainbows and hugs approach would have been more pleasant, but I would have learned less. I would also note that I received plenty of constructive criticism from folks who would also be flaming me before and after.
And what happened with JohNyx? He posted an idea which wasn't received well, in a way which raised some heckles and he started getting some flames. So instead of stating his case eloquently and walking away, he dove straight in.. tried to give as good as he got and just kept restating his case MORE LOUDLY. If you don't stop to consider how your audience will react to what you have to say, and you're not presenting anything new in your argument, then how is that different from trolling? I have empathy for him, because it's not a pleasant experience, and it's really hard to think straight with what seems like the entire thread chaffing your ass.. but in hindsight he shouldn't be surprised.
So I don't think it's as simple as grumpy fuckers fucking with stupid fucks, and it's not as orchestrated as an initiation, but it does seem to be a spontaneous communal reaction which both unites/sustains the community and protects against the infinite horde of theoretical ideas with no practical use, and the types of people they inhabit. There are many different models a community can take, but I think this is a very healthy one.
I think we all share, to some extent, a frustration that much of the obvious stupidity in the world might be eased with the proper application of some Discordian philosophies and approaches. And I read some of that frustration as concerning a preference for talking about stuff, rather than doing stuff out in the real world. But I also think we haven't struck the right idea, or the right platform yet - I think we're getting closer at a decent pace though. I dunno - I see a lot of exciting things happening here - I'd be cautious about changing the chemistry.
Ah shit, nothing more to say, just wanted to avoid the flames for doing a 5-paragraph essay.
This thread is fucking retarded. I hate all of you.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:31:24 AM
anyway, my laptop battery is gonna die but I have tomorrow off so I'll be back to see what kind of shitstorm I've stirred up here. Anyone else that is disappointed in the direction this board is taking but doesn't want to be publically flogged for saying so is welcome to PM me with the understanding that your confidence will be kept. I'd be interested in knowing how many other members feel the same way I do.
I know this: I've received enough PMs already in the last few months about this that I felt the need to finally address it in spite of my initial attempt to not give a shit what you spags are doing with the board.
Damnit ECH, if you want to change the way the board works I'd rather have you do it publically. By participating and voicing your opinion, for instance.
Personally, I'd be happy if people kept down the fluff content like zillions of youtube links (often without so much as a description or even a title) and the livejournal stuff (even though I do care about the people posting their personal stuff, it's not what I come to PD for, nor is it the reason why I looked up "discordian forum" in Google, years ago), but then again, I can skip that (although I'm way too nosey/interested to skip the personal threads).
And about the way we seem to treat new blood. I think you're not paying attention. For every n00b that gets bitchslapped because they're a twat, there's five that silently join our ranks. The twats just make the most noise of them all.
i joined in July, sans lurkage, I've had some negative responses, but I know when I've been being a dick.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
And about the way we seem to treat new blood. I think you're not paying attention. For every n00b that gets bitchslapped because they're a twat, there's five that silently join our ranks. The twats just make the most noise of them all.
I have to agree with this. I'd say about a year after I joined, I had figured out who was who. If you gave me a name, "Verthaine, oh yeah he's the guy from New Orleans who writes those amazing pieces." I'd know who he/she was. In the past year, we've had quite a large amount of new blood and there are names that I still don't quite remember. I see a post from someone who has a few hundred posts and I wonder where was I for the first few hundred. I really don't think there is any kind of epidemic of running people off. Or scaring other n00bs off. And I think that thread that TGRR started a week or so ago, Hey LMNO, is testament to the fact that, yeah, we might have a fair amount of LiveJournal fluff on the boards (isn't that what Apple Talk is for?), but we can also roll out (fairly quickly I might add) some very impressive shit.
I wish PD could put 10% of the effort it did into, say, causing chaos at Goldman Sach's corporate HQ that it does into these terminally boring hissy-fit threads.
This again?
Really?
For anyone just tuning in now and doesn't want to read the last eight pages here are some highlights
- JohNyx wasn't all that interesting or annoying before this thread
- Every response he made in this thread had a jab after it, some justified, most not.
- JohNyx WAS becoming annoying by responding to this thread but he bowed out quite a number of pages ago.
- The jibes continued
- ECH and Roger started arguing about how best to handle these situations but the same issue remains, when someone presents something annoying how much do they need to be pulled up on it? JohNyx posted about five times in this thread, but there are around seven pages solid of attacks on him, is this excessive? When does it become too much.
I've been in ECH place several times over the last year or so in this exact argument and I am rather tired of it so I am not going to enter the fray this time.
But commenting on the bit ECH posted about dressing down the community I think is exactly what we need. No one is perfect and we need to be called on our mistakes no matter what, even if we are an established member of the community or whatever.
I'm staying out of it other than to ask:
Did Broken AI fuck off?
His avatar, name and all his stuff in his sig are gone.
Frankly I think he was a pretty nifty guy with some neat ideas.
It wouldn't be cool if he left.
just my opinion
Quote from: Squid on October 05, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
I'm staying out of it other than to ask:
Did Broken AI fuck off?
His avatar, name and all his stuff in his sig are gone.
Frankly I think he was a pretty nifty guy with some neat ideas.
It wouldn't be cool if he left.
just my opinion
I certainly hope not. BAI COME BACK YO
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
This again?
Really?
Of course the cycle repeats. It started off with that BIP-esque "Hey LMNO" thread, triggering old chrono-memes, creating a sort of timeloop. I expect AKK and Lamanite to pop up any minute now. Having learned from Groundhog Day, the only way to break this cycle is if TGRR starts hitting on Andie MacDowell and learns to play piano and ice-sculpt.
AKK is too busy preparing for his next Starbucks gig.
However, I would love to see TGRR hit on Andie MacDowell.
Quote from: Squid on October 05, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
I'm staying out of it other than to ask:
Did Broken AI fuck off?
His avatar, name and all his stuff in his sig are gone.
Frankly I think he was a pretty nifty guy with some neat ideas.
It wouldn't be cool if he left.
just my opinion
hey we all know that bai has a tendency to try new things when he feels his old persona is a little old.
Quote from: Kai on October 04, 2009, 08:39:34 PM
WTF is this shit?
Its pretty simple really.
http://blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Trolling#The_Structure_of_Flame_Wars
QuoteTrolls must actively attempt to split discussion across as many pages as possible, thereby weakening posters by dividing them both in argument and posting. .... Take quotes said in anger out of context and use them to either start new threads, or continue fights in old ones. In short, they anything to muddle the coherence and consistency of the discussion.
Why is BAI doing this?
Probably because no-one is posting at EB&G anymore.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on October 05, 2009, 12:59:57 PM
For anyone just tuning in now and doesn't want to read the last eight pages here are some highlights
- JohNyx wasn't all that interesting or annoying before this thread
- Every response he made in this thread had a jab after it, some justified, most not.
- JohNyx WAS becoming annoying by responding to this thread but he bowed out quite a number of pages ago.
- The jibes continued
- ECH and Roger started arguing about how best to handle these situations but the same issue remains, when someone presents something annoying how much do they need to be pulled up on it? JohNyx posted about five times in this thread, but there are around seven pages solid of attacks on him, is this excessive? When does it become too much.
I've been in ECH place several times over the last year or so in this exact argument and I am rather tired of it so I am not going to enter the fray this time.
But commenting on the bit ECH posted about dressing down the community I think is exactly what we need. No one is perfect and we need to be called on our mistakes no matter what, even if we are an established member of the community or whatever.
Yes, and it should be done publicly, of course, because that won't put hackles up and cause all kinds of other problems.
Also, we should do like the American Army did in the 90s, and issue "stress cards", and when a noob feels he is being stressed out too hard, he can hold up the card and everyone should stop.
Sarcasm aside, I - for one - will not be leaning on any other new people, for any reason. I'm gonna write and perform admin functions, and that's it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Squid on October 05, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
I'm staying out of it other than to ask:
Did Broken AI fuck off?
His avatar, name and all his stuff in his sig are gone.
Frankly I think he was a pretty nifty guy with some neat ideas.
It wouldn't be cool if he left.
just my opinion
I certainly hope not. BAI COME BACK YO
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
This again?
Really?
Of course the cycle repeats. It started off with that BIP-esque "Hey LMNO" thread, triggering old chrono-memes, creating a sort of timeloop. I expect AKK and Lamanite to pop up any minute now. Having learned from Groundhog Day, the only way to break this cycle is if TGRR starts hitting on Andie MacDowell and learns to play piano and ice-sculpt.
No, there's another way. See above.
Stress cards?
In the Army?
Seriously?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 11:18:52 AM
And I think that thread that TGRR started a week or so ago, Hey LMNO, is testament to the fact that, yeah, we might have a fair amount of LiveJournal fluff on the boards (isn't that what Apple Talk is for?), but we can also roll out (fairly quickly I might add) some very impressive shit.
It's Ken DeVries' 1000 lobster theory in action...for every lobster that grows to be 60 feet long and starts devouring ships, 999 go in the cooking pot.
In short, you're going to get 999 crap threads for every thread that takes off and goes somewhere.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Stress cards?
In the Army?
Seriously?
Yeah, that shit started in 96 (IIRC), and ended about 30 seconds after the Iraq war started.
In any case, I am not bothering the noobs anymore. Let 'em run wild and fill the joint up with word salad, pineal nonsense, and great ideas like desecrating bibles...why the hell not? I'm certainly not getting in a fight with the other admins over it, I don't have the energy. I'm just gonna do my thing and ignore them.
I mean, just because the system we have now works and has worked for years, is no reason to continue it. It fills peoples' mail boxes up with secret complaints.
My personal opinion is that I'll deal with ignoring most of the 999 if we can still get the Monstrous Crustacean.
Incidentally, I've started writing a song that uses The Spiders as lyrical inspiration. The gift keeps giving, once offered...
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:21:09 PM
My personal opinion is that I'll deal with ignoring most of the 999 if we can still get the Monstrous Crustacean.
Incidentally, I've started writing a song that uses The Spiders as lyrical inspiration. The gift keeps giving, once offered...
Yeah, my daughter is well into illustrating the thread. It's pretty creepy stuff.
Only problem with the lobster theory is that 999 lobsters will turn into about 9,999, if the pressure is taken off.
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
First ones ought to be done by this weekend, and I'll post. Someone can PDF it?
I think Cram might have skillz.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
First ones ought to be done by this weekend, and I'll post. Someone can PDF it?
Sure
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:10:50 PM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on October 05, 2009, 12:59:57 PM
For anyone just tuning in now and doesn't want to read the last eight pages here are some highlights
- JohNyx wasn't all that interesting or annoying before this thread
- Every response he made in this thread had a jab after it, some justified, most not.
- JohNyx WAS becoming annoying by responding to this thread but he bowed out quite a number of pages ago.
- The jibes continued
- ECH and Roger started arguing about how best to handle these situations but the same issue remains, when someone presents something annoying how much do they need to be pulled up on it? JohNyx posted about five times in this thread, but there are around seven pages solid of attacks on him, is this excessive? When does it become too much.
I've been in ECH place several times over the last year or so in this exact argument and I am rather tired of it so I am not going to enter the fray this time.
But commenting on the bit ECH posted about dressing down the community I think is exactly what we need. No one is perfect and we need to be called on our mistakes no matter what, even if we are an established member of the community or whatever.
Yes, and it should be done publicly, of course, because that won't put hackles up and cause all kinds of other problems.
Also, we should do like the American Army did in the 90s, and issue "stress cards", and when a noob feels he is being stressed out too hard, he can hold up the card and everyone should stop.
Sarcasm aside, I - for one - will not be leaning on any other new people, for any reason. I'm gonna write and perform admin functions, and that's it.
If thats what you want, don't do it on my account. I've been doing something similar and its far less exhausting.
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
First ones ought to be done by this weekend, and I'll post. Someone can PDF it?
Sure
Sweet. Thanks. How much does that software cost, anyway?
Also, to all involved, if this is as good as it looks, we may want to try pushing it on a magazine. Full credit will be given, and we'll work out the money (if any), so that everyone represented gets their share.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on October 05, 2009, 04:31:37 PM
If thats what you want, don't do it on my account. I've been doing something similar and its far less exhausting.
It's what I want to do. I'm done arguing about it, and I'm done being the bad guy. I want to do some writing instead. The rage machine has been decommissioned, outside of rants.
And that's the last I'm going to say on the subject.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Stress cards?
In the Army?
Seriously?
Snopes says it's not quite true; but, you know, it's Snopes. Take with the same grain of salt as the legend itself: http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp
Quote from: Cainad on October 05, 2009, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Stress cards?
In the Army?
Seriously?
Snopes says it's not quite true; but, you know, it's Snopes. Take with the same grain of salt as the legend itself: http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp
All I know is that the replacements we received during my last year or so in the army were fatbodies who hadn't learned the joke yet, and got all butthurt when we did what the army does. Some of them did in fact mention stress cards. It might have been a Sand Hill thing.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2009, 06:50:28 AM
This thread is fucking retarded. I hate all of you.
Yeah, so do lots of people, apparently:
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:31:24 AM
anyway, my laptop battery is gonna die but I have tomorrow off so I'll be back to see what kind of shitstorm I've stirred up here. Anyone else that is disappointed in the direction this board is taking but doesn't want to be publically flogged for saying so is welcome to PM me with the understanding that your confidence will be kept. I'd be interested in knowing how many other members feel the same way I do.
I know this: I've received enough PMs already in the last few months about this that I felt the need to finally address it in spite of my initial attempt to not give a shit what you spags are doing with the board.
It seems that loads and loads of people are PMing ECH to explain how much they hate the board, me, and the other admins.
Fuck it. Life is too short to put up with this kind of stuff.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
First ones ought to be done by this weekend, and I'll post. Someone can PDF it?
Sure
Scribus is a filthy communist piece of opensource software that can do it. Sheered Volva had a lot of trouble with it when he made his Intermittens, but for just putting some text and images together and "export as PDF" I don't see what could be so hard.
Adobe InDesign is the filthy capitalist version of the same application and costs um ... WOW $699 bucks :| It is real quality software though, I can't deny that. Usually a company buys the entire Adobe Suite (includes Photoshop and Illustrator and Flash and Elements and a bunch of commercial fonts and a bunch more) for about $1200.
You can also get a trial version from Adobe.
Or get it from the torrents, which I get the impression Adobe doesn't really seem to mind because it allows young kids to get acquainted with their programs before they turn into gfx design pros that will be hooked on their software and will need to buy it.
There are also (free, afaik) programs that allow you to make a document in MS Word, and then "print" it to a PDF Printer (which asks you for a filename to save the PDF as, instead of printing it on paper). Which, if you're familiar with Word, might be the easiest way to go.
Thanks. I'll look into the full Adobe version.
I've got money to burn, so ease of use and reliability are far more important than cost.
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
bullzip is a free pdf printing program. It adds a "print as PDF" option to your printer list. If you're not doing any fancy shmancy layout, and are just positioning things in MS Word or whatever, bullzip is the way to go for quick pdf output
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
Well, if you ask nicely...
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
It's about both. It's about getting the project completed (2 pages done, 1 frame per page at the moment), and it's about the prospect of frequently getting publicly called on the carpet because ECH has supposedly received a flood of emails concerning how I - and notionally some others - am wrecking the board.
On the plus side, it's getting me in the mood to spend a bunch of time with my daughter on the project, and on the negative side, it's making me tired of hanging on, if I have a collection of assholes talking this kind of smack about me constantly, and without the guts to say something to my face, even in PM.
Either ECH said what he said because he wants to get my paranoia cranked back up for some sick reason, or he's on the level and there are "loads and loads" of people bitching constantly about how PD sucks and it's all my fault.
I'm unsure whether it's worth it, in either case.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
No its about Nigel getting spanked in public... or spanking me in public, I'd be fine with it either way.
:fap:
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
I can see how you might see it that way.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
STFU and get back to the spankings!
(http://costumenetwork.com/albums/album82/GrailShapedBeacon.jpg)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
I can see how you might see it that way.
Sorry TGRR, I'm really excited about the project, and I'd hate to see it get derailed.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
I can see how you might see it that way.
Sorry TGRR, I'm really excited about the project, and I'd hate to see it get derailed.
Project's happening anyway, as a father/daughter thing, and will be posted when complete.
No worries on that score. You will get your entertainment.
TGRR,
Has his priorities straight.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
You know, I could just ignore something that I'm concerned about and pretend that everything is fine, or I could address it directly.
It actually does worry me that ECH said there are going to be a lot more public dressings-down for behavior he doesn't like, and that he put some emphasis on this being his board. Why, exactly, do you think I shouldn't voice my concerns about that? I should brush it off, plug my ears and go "lalalalala oh look, a shiny project!"?
This is one of my favorite boards, and it's the one I've spent most of my internet time on for the last two years. I'd be really disappointed if it did move in the direction of autocracy. Do you seriously think I should just keep my mouth shut and go with the flow?
I resent the "poking ECH with a stick" comment. That makes it sound like I only posted what I did in order to jab at him, and that is complete and utter bull. I have absolutely no malice toward ECH, we resolved our argument last year and aren't at odds on any subject that I'm aware of. I'm looking forward to finally meeting him in person when he's all moved in. I posted what I did because his comments sounded ominous and I am very much against the kinds of boards where things are run that way.
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
Oh, you're right, I should never respond to the content of a thread beyond the most recent post.
Well, gee, considering one is constructive and will have awesome consequences, and one is simply another wave of shit-stirring and infighting, I can certainly understand how you'd be happier to have the board lie fallow for another three months just for the opportunity to poke ECH with a stick.
Do you seriously think I should just keep my mouth shut and go with the flow?
No, you should comment on the public spankings!
The only way this could become an autocracy if ECH backed up his "dressing downs" with a ban. Otherwise, he's just another poster with an internet connection.
If he started banning, then yes. If not, he's no different than one of us telling someone else to cut the shit.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
The only way this could become an autocracy if ECH backed up his "dressing downs" with a ban. Otherwise, he's just another poster with an internet connection.
If he started banning, then yes. If not, he's no different than one of us telling someone else to cut the shit.
Apparently, you missed the post where he was considering shutting the board down due to these secret complaints.
"We had to destroy the board in order to save it."
\
:chickenhawk:
Yeah, I guess I missed that.
I'm betting a 15% chance he'd actually do it, though.
If you must know, I was one of the people who PM'd ECH.* With concerns and suggestions about the direction of the board, which spent far more time describing behaviours I thought was detrimental to what he originally envisaged for the board, rather than people who I thought should be "chastised".
In fact, as I recall, one of my suggestions pertinent to this argument was that if we wanted a more activist orientated board, then we might want to consider fostering a culture of engaged and constructive criticism when it comes to having problems with people on the site, because otherwise bad feelings and bruised egos will get in the way of doing fun stuff, as well as possibly causing people to leave, reconsider signing up or devoting time and effort to something. Dealing with them confrontationally sets off the second circuit and makes them want to defy you, simply because. I'm pretty sure this point was addressed in another thread quite recently, about dealing with other sites, so I don't see why dealing with individual people in a similar way should be so controversial.
As for why I didn't post my worries publically? Partially because I wasn't sure if I was just alone in thinking these things, and partly because I was worried if I did address them openly, then I would have gotten the same response ECH did - or worse. I'm not looking for a fight, not if I can avoid it, but I am looking for any way possible to improve the site, improve the brand appeal of Discordianism and to improve our impact on the web and IRL. And I honestly believe one of the ways we can do that is to treat each other with at least a modicum of respect, a currency that seems somewhat lacking of late.
Oh, and before anyone says it, I know the above criticism can also apply to my actions. As no doubt ECH will tell you, my PM to him admitted fully that I was complicit, at least some of the time, in the actions I was criticizing.
Right. If you want to rake me over the coals for that, so be it.
*(I don't have a clue who any of the other people are, so if you want to know, no point asking me).
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
If you must know, I was one of the people who PM'd ECH.* With concerns and suggestions about the direction of the board, which spent far more time describing behaviours I thought was detrimental to what he originally envisaged for the board, rather than people who I thought should be "chastised".
In fact, as I recall, one of my suggestions pertinent to this argument was that if we wanted a more activist orientated board, then we might want to consider fostering a culture of engaged and constructive criticism when it comes to having problems with people on the site, because otherwise bad feelings and bruised egos will get in the way of doing fun stuff, as well as possibly causing people to leave, reconsider signing up or devoting time and effort to something. Dealing with them confrontationally sets off the second circuit and makes them want to defy you, simply because. I'm pretty sure this point was addressed in another thread quite recently, about dealing with other sites, so I don't see why dealing with individual people in a similar way should be so controversial.
As for why I didn't post my worries publically? Partially because I wasn't sure if I was just alone in thinking these things, and partly because I was worried if I did address them openly, then I would have gotten the same response ECH did - or worse. I'm not looking for a fight, not if I can avoid it, but I am looking for any way possible to improve the site, improve the brand appeal of Discordianism and to improve our impact on the web and IRL. And I honestly believe one of the ways we can do that is to treat each other with at least a modicum of respect, a currency that seems somewhat lacking of late.
Oh, and before anyone says it, I know the above criticism can also apply to my actions. As no doubt ECH will tell you, my PM to him admitted fully that I was complicit, at least some of the time, in the actions I was criticizing.
Right. If you want to rake me over the coals for that, so be it.
*(I don't have a clue who any of the other people are, so if you want to know, no point asking me).
I see.
I'm not sure I see the benefit of dealing with people confrontationally in order to punish them for dealing with people confrontationally. Sorta like spanking your kid for hitting his sister.
Anyway, one of the things I like about this board is that mods and admins are very low-key, no one actively "controls" it, and people are free to behave almost any way they want. Sometimes it's nasty, sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's creative... and I think the great creativity springs from the great freedom. I suspect that any effort in increase control will only trigger the Law of Eristic Escalation, and at the same time, creative output will decrease.
We were doing fun stuff. A lot of writing, a couple of new projects, GASM's going strong...so the logical thing to do is Byzantine back room dealings and threats of public reprimands. We'll get all the golden eggs out of that goose yet.
Fact is, as I expected, ECH was on the level about these emails. I'm a little tired of wearing boiler plate on my back, to be perfectly honest. I'm a little tired of drama fucking up every burst of creativity this place begins to enjoy, and I'm really tired of it all being for our own good. I'm tired of the factionalization and the ridiculous dick-measuring contests. I'm tired of hanging on through yet another monster pissing contest. I'm just plain tired.
- i don't see a lot of out of control noob bashing,
- most longtime posters are within a reasonable quantity and quality in their noob bashing posts,
- sometimes the noob on noob stuff goes overboard (not a big deal just part of the learning curve)
- ech has every right to bash out of control bashing,
- i don't like him (ECH) feeling he needs to mention ownership/admin or threaten shutdown, he should be able to jump on things he doesn't like with out it..
- i tend to see mentioning owner/admin when making a point as being against the culture of freedom that makes pd great/creative
- pm'ing complaints to ECH is weak, if something is a problem bring it up or pm the person you have the problem with (re Cain behind the scenes discussions about the boards direction or mood (meta stuff) is not the same as complaining about it or planing administrative action, i expect you were doing the former)
I am kind of confused about why Roger got singled out in this thread, considering that he didn't start it and wasn't the heaviest JohNyx-basher in it. :?
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
- pm'ing complaints to ECH is weak, if something is a problem bring it up or pm the person you have the problem with (re Cain behind the scenes discussions about the boards direction or mood (meta stuff) is not the same as complaining about it or planing administrative action, i expect you were doing the former)
Problem: That isn't how it was presented last night. It was presented that multiple people had PMd ECH talking about how shitty the board is, and who is responsible for that.
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
I am kind of confused about why Roger got singled out in this thread, considering that he didn't start it and wasn't the heaviest JohNyx-basher in it. :?
To be fair, it's probably because I'm the one that responded to ECH's comments.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
Thanks. I'll look into the full Adobe version.
I've got money to burn, so ease of use and reliability are far more important than cost.
you might want to check out some other pieces of software perhaps, this is professional graphics design software (for making books and magazines), it is reliable, but "ease of use" isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when I think of InDesign. as in, you probably need to read a few tutorials before you get the hang of it. although if you got money to burn, there's perfectly good introductionary books for InDesign at nearly every computer book store.
btw I'm not saying that you couldn't figure it out, just that, it's not a program that allows one to quickly WOMP something together.
and there are most definitely tools out there that
will in fact do just that, only that, and in an easy to use manner (and don't cost $699). except I don't know what they are. but if you tell me what your needs / goals / etc are, I could try to help find something.
+1 vote for the status quo. I think we'll see a lot more activist material once there are more crafted messages to be active about. There's so much flux right now, when I think of "activist" I think of teabaggers and G20 protesters, and while they are loud they are _not_ getting their message much further than their own bases. The old ways no longer work, and we're in the middle of discovering new ones - e.g. trolling and things like the "Conservative Bible Translation Project" show the ways in which we're honing the skills required to craft messages in this new medium.
With regards constructive criticism and bashing of newbies, I received quite a few supportive PMs during my flaming episodes and those made the difference between me leaving and trying again. So that is an option, or better still.. inject the constructive criticism directly into the thread. Personally, I'm not a fan of the "board nanny" rebuttal, but then that persists only as long as it successfully intimidates other voices who don't want to be flamed themselves.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
I am kind of confused about why Roger got singled out in this thread, considering that he didn't start it and wasn't the heaviest JohNyx-basher in it. :?
To be fair, it's probably because I'm the one that responded to ECH's comments.
Oh, OK. I guess that makes sense.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
Thanks. I'll look into the full Adobe version.
I've got money to burn, so ease of use and reliability are far more important than cost.
you might want to check out some other pieces of software perhaps, this is professional graphics design software (for making books and magazines), it is reliable, but "ease of use" isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when I think of InDesign. as in, you probably need to read a few tutorials before you get the hang of it. although if you got money to burn, there's perfectly good introductionary books for InDesign at nearly every computer book store.
btw I'm not saying that you couldn't figure it out, just that, it's not a program that allows one to quickly WOMP something together.
and there are most definitely tools out there that will in fact do just that, only that, and in an easy to use manner (and don't cost $699). except I don't know what they are. but if you tell me what your needs / goals / etc are, I could try to help find something.
Thanks. I just want the capability to create and edit PDF files.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
We were doing fun stuff. A lot of writing, a couple of new projects, GASM's going strong...so the logical thing to do is Byzantine back room dealings and threats of public reprimands. We'll get all the golden eggs out of that goose yet.
Fact is, as I expected, ECH was on the level about these emails. I'm a little tired of wearing boiler plate on my back, to be perfectly honest. I'm a little tired of drama fucking up every burst of creativity this place begins to enjoy, and I'm really tired of it all being for our own good. I'm tired of the factionalization and the ridiculous dick-measuring contests. I'm tired of hanging on through yet another monster pissing contest. I'm just plain tired.
Well then don't do stuff that helps precipitate the stuff you don't like. If some n00b comes crashing in acting like a polyp found in Mal-2's rectum... don't engage him. Either he will take over the board with Pineal screaming and destroy PD.com forever, or he'll get over it, or someone else will hit him with the boiler plate that once hung off of you.
If you're tired of the game, play a different game.
If you like the game, tell ECH and Cain (and me and everyone else) to STFU, because you like what you're doing.
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Well then don't do stuff that helps precipitate the stuff you don't like. If some n00b comes crashing in acting like a polyp found in Mal-2's rectum... don't engage him.
That's precisely what I'm going to be doing in the future, as state above. Let the next IANAR, Cowass, Bhode, etc, be someone else's problem. Unless they do something modworthy, I no longer give a fuck what they do, or where.
Hell, I've already PMd an apology to JohNyx, and told him to carry on. In restrospect, I could have worded it better.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
Now RWHN, don't make me get sombunal on your ass ;-)
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
That's rat trying to make a bad situation worse. It's his MO.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
Thanks. I just want the capability to create and edit PDF files.
PDF files are more of a "write only" thing, usually you create your working copy in some other format, and then export (or "print") the final version to a PDF.
you can, in theory, edit PDF files (using a tool called Adobe Distiller, afaik), but that's not the most practical way of creating them. (It is incredibly useful however, to remove black bars from de-classified gvmt documents, if they were stupid enough to place a black rectangle over the letters without deleting the text itself)
I suggest seeing how far you get with MS Word and Cram's suggestion (forgot the name, it's a few pages back). Even though MS Word can be a stubborn bitch to get to do exactly what you want, it
is rather intuitive, I guess.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
That's rat trying to make a bad situation worse. It's his MO.
No it fucking isn't.... It was a generalization and I suppose I should have stated "everyone else who emailed ECH" but I falsely assumed that people would get the intention.
My apologies.
Roger, just want to say I'm looking forward to the father/daughter Hey LMNO project. Agent Pariah's PDF was pretty good, and I think the more versions the better.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
Thanks. I just want the capability to create and edit PDF files.
PDF files are more of a "write only" thing, usually you create your working copy in some other format, and then export (or "print") the final version to a PDF.
you can, in theory, edit PDF files (using a tool called Adobe Distiller, afaik), but that's not the most practical way of creating them. (It is incredibly useful however, to remove black bars from de-classified gvmt documents, if they were stupid enough to place a black rectangle over the letters without deleting the text itself)
I suggest seeing how far you get with MS Word and Cram's suggestion (forgot the name, it's a few pages back). Even though MS Word can be a stubborn bitch to get to do exactly what you want, it is rather intuitive, I guess.
Okay, thanks. I have 3 weeks before my daughter will be done with the first round of illustrations, so I have a little time.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
That's rat trying to make a bad situation worse. It's his MO.
No it fucking isn't.... It was a generalization and I suppose I should have stated "everyone else who emailed ECH" but I falsely assumed that people would get the intention.
My apologies.
Okay, my bad.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 08:54:58 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
Now RWHN, don't make me get sombunal on your ass ;-)
It was more of me wanting to publicly state that I didn't make any non-public complaints. Because I have no complaints. I treat pd.com like the chinese buffet. I take the stuff I like and leave the stuff I don't.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
- pm'ing complaints to ECH is weak, if something is a problem bring it up or pm the person you have the problem with (re Cain behind the scenes discussions about the boards direction or mood (meta stuff) is not the same as complaining about it or planing administrative action, i expect you were doing the former)
Problem: That isn't how it was presented last night. It was presented that multiple people had PMd ECH talking about how shitty the board is, and who is responsible for that.
i don't know what Cains pm was like (i give him credit for not crossing into complaining or encouraging administrative action) i don't know what the other pm's were like either, but guess it was butt hurt noobs and forum softy's crying "why cant we all just get along" both of which can be ignored,
if some noob or regular is being wrongly bashed they should (ideally) be able to appeal to reason and get everyone's support and not need to call on a big daddy to spank people for them
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
- pm'ing complaints to ECH is weak, if something is a problem bring it up or pm the person you have the problem with (re Cain behind the scenes discussions about the boards direction or mood (meta stuff) is not the same as complaining about it or planing administrative action, i expect you were doing the former)
Problem: That isn't how it was presented last night. It was presented that multiple people had PMd ECH talking about how shitty the board is, and who is responsible for that.
i don't know what Cains post was like (i give him credit for not crossing into complaining or encouraging administrative action) i don't know what the other pm's were like either, but guess it was butt hurt noobs and forum softy's crying "why cant we all just get along" both of which can be ignored,
if some noob or regular is being wrongly bashed they should (ideally) be able to appeal to reason and get everyone's support and not need to call on a big daddy to spank people for them
Probably. In any case, it is no longer an issue, as I will have no interactions with troublesome noobs. If anyone wants a thread split, they can PM me and I'll clean things up. Other than that, I am no longer interested in dealing with these things.
Nor do I give a fuck about big daddy spankings, come to think about it.
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
Perhaps there is in this impulse for people to exploit their own writing creativity. There are lots of people here, and I doubt they have nothing to say.
Looking forward to that project, Roger.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
That's rat trying to make a bad situation worse. It's his MO.
No it fucking isn't.... It was a generalization and I suppose I should have stated "everyone else who emailed ECH" but I falsely assumed that people would get the intention.
My apologies.
Okay, my bad.
No worries... its a rough thread :)
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 05, 2009, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Not "everyone else", because I am not, and have not, complained.
That's rat trying to make a bad situation worse. It's his MO.
No it fucking isn't.... It was a generalization and I suppose I should have stated "everyone else who emailed ECH" but I falsely assumed that people would get the intention.
My apologies.
Okay, my bad.
No worries... its a rough thread :)
Not anymore.
TGRR,
Has the situation well in hand, my good man.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
That sucks. I was looking forward to vidcasting more of your stuff.
And yeah, actually it does seem to be the case that these kinds of shitstorms inevitably follow a period where you have been very creatively active.
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
That sucks. I was looking forward to vidcasting more of your stuff.
And yeah, actually it does seem to be the case that these kinds of shitstorms inevitably follow a period where you have been very creatively active.
Meh. Could be coincidence. Things are looking up.
DARE ME TO DRIVE? :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
That sucks. I was looking forward to vidcasting more of your stuff.
And yeah, actually it does seem to be the case that these kinds of shitstorms inevitably follow a period where you have been very creatively active.
Meh. Could be coincidence. Things are looking up.
DARE ME TO DRIVE? :lol:
Fuck, BE CAREFUL out there!
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
That sucks. I was looking forward to vidcasting more of your stuff.
And yeah, actually it does seem to be the case that these kinds of shitstorms inevitably follow a period where you have been very creatively active.
Meh. Could be coincidence. Things are looking up.
DARE ME TO DRIVE? :lol:
Fuck, BE CAREFUL out there!
Irresponsible shit is my anti-dr...uh, wait a minute.
14 pages? wtf
Eh, just read all of this, not sure what to say - im gonna try to speak in how i see things rather than argumentatebly so...
when i have posted "serious" writing on OKM i think ive been "respected", and i appreciate it, because its stuff i have invested time and work on it
on other boards such as apple talk and OMF ive gotten mixed responses and i usually just ignore it or make a quick jab and just move along.
this particular thread in AP i found to be bordering on what i call not "respectful" because it was specifically directed at me, and because i dont have that sense of enough closeness with those involved as to say "Oh, lol, my buddy is making fun of me" - its someone seeking me out and shitting on me and then a few others piling on with bigotry and grudges from another threads. I found it to be personal.
But then again, answering to that sort of topic, i should had seen it coming a thousand miles how it would turn out. After a point i just stopped replying to it because i was getting down to the level of just trying to make personal attacks, and thats just not my idea of interaction, im not too fond of flame wars.
I dont know if anyone suspects me of doing this, but i didnt PM any moderators nor ECH.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agent Pariah on October 05, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
If there's a way we can scan her illustrations and do a proper layout, that would be really great.
First ones ought to be done by this weekend, and I'll post. Someone can PDF it?
Sure
Sweet. Thanks. How much does that software cost, anyway?
THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT PUBLISHING SOFTWARE
I got it from a friend so I'll have to check with him
Quote from: JohNyx on October 05, 2009, 11:47:28 PM
I dont know if anyone suspects me of doing this, but i didnt PM any moderators nor ECH.
Naw. Never thought you did.
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
I wish PD could put 10% of the effort it did into, say, causing chaos at Goldman Sach's corporate HQ that it does into these terminally boring hissy-fit threads.
this is a much more eloquent and concise version of what I was trying to say.
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
This again?
Really?
you can almost set your watch by it.
Well, the argument WAS over. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
why is it that anytime I voice my opinion on board matters, I'm made out to be Mussolini-in-waiting? Am I not allowed to have and voice my opinion regarding these matters?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
If you noticed, this thread is now about the fabulous possibility of getting a high-quality IRL publishing of the Spiders project.
It's about both. It's about getting the project completed (2 pages done, 1 frame per page at the moment), and it's about the prospect of frequently getting publicly called on the carpet because ECH has supposedly received a flood of emails concerning how I - and notionally some others - am wrecking the board.
On the plus side, it's getting me in the mood to spend a bunch of time with my daughter on the project, and on the negative side, it's making me tired of hanging on, if I have a collection of assholes talking this kind of smack about me constantly, and without the guts to say something to my face, even in PM.
Either ECH said what he said because he wants to get my paranoia cranked back up for some sick reason, or he's on the level and there are "loads and loads" of people bitching constantly about how PD sucks and it's all my fault.
I'm unsure whether it's worth it, in either case.
it gets tiresome having to wade through your penchant for ultimate hyperbole.
I never said there were "loads of people PMing me to complain about you", I said I had received several PMs in the last few months concerning the direction and prevalent culture of PD.com. "Several", in this case, is about 8, but that's about 7 more PMs than I've received about anything else in the last few months so I thought it might be worth bringing up.
My bad, apparently.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 05, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
The only way this could become an autocracy if ECH backed up his "dressing downs" with a ban. Otherwise, he's just another poster with an internet connection.
If he started banning, then yes. If not, he's no different than one of us telling someone else to cut the shit.
Apparently, you missed the post where he was considering shutting the board down due to these secret complaints.
I guess I missed that post too.
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
- pm'ing complaints to ECH is weak, if something is a problem bring it up or pm the person you have the problem with (re Cain behind the scenes discussions about the boards direction or mood (meta stuff) is not the same as complaining about it or planing administrative action, i expect you were doing the former)
Problem: That isn't how it was presented last night. It was presented that multiple people had PMd ECH talking about how shitty the board is, and who is responsible for that.
i don't know what Cains pm was like (i give him credit for not crossing into complaining or encouraging administrative action) i don't know what the other pm's were like either, but guess it was butt hurt noobs and forum softy's crying "why cant we all just get along" both of which can be ignored,
if some noob or regular is being wrongly bashed they should (ideally) be able to appeal to reason and get everyone's support and not need to call on a big daddy to spank people for them
actually, they were all from posters that have been here a while and who I have at least a modicum of respect for, else I'd have never brought it up.
For the record, any noob who came crying to me via PM would get verbally bitch-slapped so hard there'd be a pixellated handprint on their monitor screen for days afterward.
apparently, though, I was wrong to address these concerns or to try to have any influence over the zeitgeist (I hate that word) of the forums. My bad.
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: fomenter on October 05, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
But the mission has been accomplished. I have been knocked out of the mood to write.
I'm gonna finish the spider project with my daughter, as she is intensely interested in it (and she is far more important to me than any of you, as you will surely understand), and then I'm going to take a break and just veg for a while.
and that sucks
creativity and creative moods are not some hippie "flowers and rainbows required to make them happen thing" some times fights and conflicts and ugly humans doing ugly human shit inspire them and some times not letting things flow the way they are flowing just fucks them up .... a real shame..
Yeah, well, being a primate, I do have SOME pattern recognition skills, and this shit ONLY happens when I start writing again.
So there's a simple solution. I stop writing anything, at least until this particular shitstorm passes. Not that there's any choice in the matter. I can only write while I'm in the mood.
So, again, mission accomplished.
That sucks. I was looking forward to vidcasting more of your stuff.
And yeah, actually it does seem to be the case that these kinds of shitstorms inevitably follow a period where you have been very creatively active.
Meh. Could be coincidence. Things are looking up.
DARE ME TO DRIVE? :lol:
Fuck, BE CAREFUL out there!
Too late. :lulz: See related thread. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22427.0
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 06, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
why is it that anytime I voice my opinion on board matters, I'm made out to be Mussolini-in-waiting? Am I not allowed to have and voice my opinion regarding these matters?
you should have and voice an opinion
its not the opinion or the voicing that that bothers, its the connecting it to ownership/admin that rubs people the wrong way i think,
if you had said the same thing speaking as a poster it might have gone over better...maybe...
(your opinions as a poster should carry weight they are usually high quality enough to warrant it..)
I'm pretty sure, ECH, that people just don't want to feel like you'll shut down the board if they say something you don't like, and mentioning it once in any situation is likely to cause that fear. It causes a breakdown of communication in which admins won't tell other admins when they disagree, and no one will get anything good done. I'm sure we can all work something out without threatening to burn fucking everything.
I don't recall threatening to shut down the boards.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 06, 2009, 03:43:51 AM
I don't recall threatening to shut down the boards.
Well then, take it for future reference. Not trying to cause more trouble than what already exists, here.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 06, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
why is it that anytime I voice my opinion on board matters, I'm made out to be Mussolini-in-waiting? Am I not allowed to have and voice my opinion regarding these matters?
Because you don't just interject your opinion, in this case, but also connected your opinion to your ownership of the board.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:11:15 AM
FWIW, there are going to be alot more public dressings-down unleashed around here, and only a tiny percentage of them will likely be aimed at you. I know everyone gets all huffy when I try to have an influence on the culture and direction of, y'know, my own website, but I actually don't give a shit since I'm more concerned about the culture and direction of this site than I am about anyone here's personal opinion of me.
For your consideration, ECH.
<--- is amused by the fact that I seem to have chosen a handle that the big boss head moderator of the board is dedicated to bringing down.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 06, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
why is it that anytime I voice my opinion on board matters, I'm made out to be Mussolini-in-waiting? Am I not allowed to have and voice my opinion regarding these matters?
Because every time you voice your opinion regarding these matters, in addition to simply just stating your opinion, you feel the need to point out that this is your site to somehow make your opinion carry more weight than others--while afaik you just own the domain name, whereas Faust pays for and manages the server, if I'm not mistaken. And most importantly, the community, that sort of spirit that makes this place so special, is created from the synergy of all of us.
And saying things like this:
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:34:18 AMor, y'know, it could just be the internet and I could just be trying to gauge whether or not I even want to bother continuing with this site.
I mean, we all want to hear your opinion. Really. But if every time you state it, you feel the need to add weight to it by saying stuff like this, instead of just discussing it with the rest of everybody (Cain and Roger never pull the admin card, for instance).
um, okay seems like we all said the same thing here, heh :) didn't really read through.
And some of us contribute to the costs as well right through the donation button? So practically it is community owned and supported and I think it works best if we think of it and treat it that way. Am I off on that?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
We were doing fun stuff. A lot of writing, a couple of new projects, GASM's going strong...so the logical thing to do is Byzantine back room dealings and threats of public reprimands. We'll get all the golden eggs out of that goose yet.
Fact is, as I expected, ECH was on the level about these emails. I'm a little tired of wearing boiler plate on my back, to be perfectly honest. I'm a little tired of drama fucking up every burst of creativity this place begins to enjoy, and I'm really tired of it all being for our own good. I'm tired of the factionalization and the ridiculous dick-measuring contests. I'm tired of hanging on through yet another monster pissing contest. I'm just plain tired.
Suggestions about board direction are not back room dealings. Ideas about how to improve board productivity and creativity are not designed to derail current projects. I kept my objections quiet precisely to avoid such drama.
Quote from: fictionpuss on October 05, 2009, 08:46:33 PMWith regards constructive criticism and bashing of newbies, I received quite a few supportive PMs during my flaming episodes and those made the difference between me leaving and trying again. So that is an option, or better still.. inject the constructive criticism directly into the thread.
Not speaking for anyone else, cultivating this approach is what I had in mind.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
Thanks. I'll look into the full Adobe version.
I've got money to burn, so ease of use and reliability are far more important than cost.
you might want to check out some other pieces of software perhaps, this is professional graphics design software (for making books and magazines), it is reliable, but "ease of use" isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when I think of InDesign. as in, you probably need to read a few tutorials before you get the hang of it. although if you got money to burn, there's perfectly good introductionary books for InDesign at nearly every computer book store.
btw I'm not saying that you couldn't figure it out, just that, it's not a program that allows one to quickly WOMP something together.
and there are most definitely tools out there that will in fact do just that, only that, and in an easy to use manner (and don't cost $699). except I don't know what they are. but if you tell me what your needs / goals / etc are, I could try to help find something.
Thanks. I just want the capability to create and edit PDF files.
If you want to convert text documents, consider downloading Open Office. Its a free program, and it is what I have used in the past to create pdf texts. Quality is questionable though.
Or I'll just shut up, because apparently I'm fuelling the drama.
I totally forgot about Open Office.
That just might work.
But let's not forget that a lot depends on the scanner you're using.
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2009, 11:22:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 05, 2009, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
Thanks. I'll look into the full Adobe version.
I've got money to burn, so ease of use and reliability are far more important than cost.
you might want to check out some other pieces of software perhaps, this is professional graphics design software (for making books and magazines), it is reliable, but "ease of use" isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when I think of InDesign. as in, you probably need to read a few tutorials before you get the hang of it. although if you got money to burn, there's perfectly good introductionary books for InDesign at nearly every computer book store.
btw I'm not saying that you couldn't figure it out, just that, it's not a program that allows one to quickly WOMP something together.
and there are most definitely tools out there that will in fact do just that, only that, and in an easy to use manner (and don't cost $699). except I don't know what they are. but if you tell me what your needs / goals / etc are, I could try to help find something.
Thanks. I just want the capability to create and edit PDF files.
If you want to convert text documents, consider downloading Open Office. Its a free program, and it is what I have used in the past to create pdf texts. Quality is questionable though.
Thank you. Works with Vistafail?
Absolutely. Its designed to be an alternative to Microsoft Office.
http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=winwjre&lang=en-US&version=3.1.1 should do the trick. Its fairly large though, since its a word processor program, speadsheet program etc
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
Absolutely. Its designed to be an alternative to Microsoft Office.
http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=winwjre&lang=en-US&version=3.1.1 should do the trick. Its fairly large though, since its a word processor program, speadsheet program etc
Thank you very much, Cain.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 06, 2009, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 06, 2009, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 05, 2009, 07:17:56 PM
Is this going to turn into one of those boards where we get public spankings by Big Daddy if we step out of line?
why is it that anytime I voice my opinion on board matters, I'm made out to be Mussolini-in-waiting? Am I not allowed to have and voice my opinion regarding these matters?
Because every time you voice your opinion regarding these matters, in addition to simply just stating your opinion, you feel the need to point out that this is your site to somehow make your opinion carry more weight than others--while afaik you just own the domain name, whereas Faust pays for and manages the server, if I'm not mistaken. And most importantly, the community, that sort of spirit that makes this place so special, is created from the synergy of all of us.
And saying things like this:
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 05, 2009, 04:34:18 AMor, y'know, it could just be the internet and I could just be trying to gauge whether or not I even want to bother continuing with this site.
I mean, we all want to hear your opinion. Really. But if every time you state it, you feel the need to add weight to it by saying stuff like this, instead of just discussing it with the rest of everybody (Cain and Roger never pull the admin card, for instance).
Jesus, you guys are always so fucking touchy about this shit.
Listen. Pd.com is run as a meritocracy, as it should be, and hopefully always will be. In spite of that, the fact that my name is the one attached to this site DOES give me the right to care about and try to exert influence on the direction and culture of this site in that capacity, not just as a (used to be more) regular poster. If that rubs some of you the wrong way I'd be happy to hear about it (even more), but in the end the only response you're likely to get out of me is something along the lines of "tough titties", though it may be phrased more or less tactfully depending on who you are and how much caffeine and/or alcohol I've had at that point.
as for the reference to whether or not I want to continue with this site, that has nothing to do with shutting down the boards and everything to do with whether or not I feel this site is worth spending my increasingly rare free time on or whether I should just legally transfer ownership to someone else (probably Faust or Cain) and wash my hands of it.
In summary: stop being such a bunch of spags, you fucking spags.