Look, money is tight, I know this. In fact, you can't fucking ESCAPE IT having to deal with the media shoving it down your throat on the hour. However, don't use the "money is tight" excuse to me when you go out to eat at night and only bring gift certificates and coupons not redeemable for cash and assume you can get away tipping me with imaginary money. It just doesn't work that way.
You'll bitch about this country turning "Socialist", but I can't think of anything more capitalist than giving your server his or her fair share of your bill. Maybe I'm not being clear here, we make slave wages to pay our taxes, I personally make $2.89 an hour which is the Rhode Island minimum for tipped positions. Yes, that's right, I make a few cents more than the Chinese kids sewing together your Nikes. If you don't tip me, I don't pay my bills, and the credit crunch gets worse.
Sure, you'll go, "Gee Suu, you must get great tips with this sort of attitude. " Well you know what, I do, because like every other red-blooded human being in the food service industry, I have a hardened facade of a character I put on to make sure you get what you want, when you want it with a smile on my face. I put forth every effort to make sure that I deserve that 20%.
When you get a pay cut, do you not have the God Given Right™ as an American™ to complain? Of course you do! And so do I. Money is money, and money is tight, yadda yadda yadda,well if money is so damn tight, don't go out to eat. I have a better night when it's slow and I get a few good tables who spend the money than a busy night full of cheap fucks ordering grilled cheese at a 3 star to save a buck. And still, 20% of $20 is $4, not $2! Can't you do math? Or are you going to blame the economy on that too? Also, DO NEVER MULTIPLY THE TAX BY TWO. Stupid idea whomever came up with THAT one...
"So quit." You'll tell me, and then, what if I do? Then what if all the other servers who took their 5% pay cut do as well? You'll have no one left to serve you. That's a real good job you did on the economy there! Restaurants will close, more people will become unemployed, and the only chain to come out of it alive will be Taco Bell. It's true, I've seen it in a movie.
Bottom line is, kids, tip your servers and bartenders 20% of your check. Tip for me, tip for your friends, Tip for Cain, who works in England and gets paid better than I do anyway by custom, tip for everyone you know that works in a restaurant or could have their livelihood affected by someone who works in a tipped position. You'll be thankful the next time you go out to your favorite local restaurant and it's still there.
If it helps, here's a handy Suu Guide to Tipping (my averages are higher since all servers believe in karma)
Exceptional Service or server that reminds me too much of myself: 25-30%
Average Service, nothing of note but still good: 20%
"Where the hell is she?": 18%
"She sucks." : 15%
"You think it's more important to insult my baseball team than get my drink refill": 10% and a nasty note on the charge slip AND telling the manager on the way out.
Insta-20% Formula for tipping: $2 on every $10, an extra dollar for every amount over 5 more dollars.
Example: The check total is $47.24. 20% of 40 is $8. Since it's past 45, you should tip at least $9.
...This message has been brought to you by a really angry server who got her first flat 15% tip average night since she was 19 and waiting on Florida trash and cheap Canadians.
Yeah, I give a dollar for every five dollar range, and one more depending on how close it is to the next dollar mark.
I may be a poor graduate student, but when I go out to eat I go to the same places over and over. I know the servers, I /like/ them, often stay after my meal to converse with them, and I tip them good so I enjoy the time just as much when I come back.
If money is tight, I can survive without a tip. I'm bringing in very slightly above the national minimum wage, which is roughly....shit, $9.68, or so. Three times as much. I like tips, but I don't need them.
You, on the other hand, could literally not survive without them. I would be angry in such a situation, especially with cheap fucks.
If you cannot afford to tip, in the USA, then you should not be eating out at a place where tipping is expected. It's as simple as that, really.
I think 18% is considered to be the base standard, most people in the industry just go up to 20% because the math is easier, and we know how it is.
Most people still think 15% is adequate, and a lot of people seem to think that the percentage goes down as the bill increases.
Basically if you want to be flashy and order a 300 dollar bottle of wine, tip like you can afford it.
... but I have to be honest, A persons attitude usually bothers me more than how much they tip.
I recently worked a party where the guests argued the autograt down to 15% beforehand, in the same breath they somehow managed to increase their level of service (basically arguing themselves into a free coffee/tea service). It was evident from the BEO how nitpicky these people were, and its really quite impressive when that impression carries through onto the paper that basically tells us how to set the room.
Luckily, I work somewhere where 15% still represents a pretty good chunk of change... and I'll take what I can get, I've had worse jobs.
you might try writing on the ticket: "i only make $2.89 an hour. Your tip is greatly appreciated"
i don't think many people realize that min wage for waitstaff is so low.
we were just discussing this at a diner:
how do you (wait staff) people feel about tipping with change? If there's a pile of dimes and quarters, is that better than nothing? We don't have a 1-euro coin over here, so coins are basically trash unless you have a good fist full of them.
I'm good with change, if its in a large enough amount. I myself often carry and use coins more than notes, especially silver (50 pence and below), so that's often what I leave behind, especially since I'm not spending big anyway at the moment.
Food service people handle my food, often in places where I can't see them. This alone is reason enough for me to be courteous and to tip healthily.
please don't jump down my throat.... i thought the standard was 15% for breakfast and lunch (20 % if fine dining) an 20% for dinners (and more if fine dining)..
it has been a long time sine i lived off tips, i am surprised to hear they still do the 2.98 a hour crap, i thought they outlawed "servers wages" years ago..
(i just asked a restaurant owner and they are outlawed in CA, min wage is enforced here)
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2009, 03:22:15 PM
you might try writing on the ticket: "i only make $2.89 an hour. Your tip is greatly appreciated"
i don't think many people realize that min wage for waitstaff is so low.
That's a great way to get fired...though I wish it wasn't. In fact, I wish a news article could be posted on this.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 08, 2009, 03:23:14 PM
we were just discussing this at a diner:
how do you (wait staff) people feel about tipping with change? If there's a pile of dimes and quarters, is that better than nothing? We don't have a 1-euro coin over here, so coins are basically trash unless you have a good fist full of them.
Change isn't bad, just don't tip me in all pennies. A few dollars in quarters or loose change is actually helpful to my bank and then I can just cash it out with the bar at the end of the night.
Quote from: Cainad on November 08, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Food service people handle my food, often in places where I can't see them. This alone is reason enough for me to be courteous and to tip healthily.
Do never piss me off. If you do, I hope you like sriracha or your soup bowl microwaved to the point it's boiling.
Quote from: fomenter on November 08, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
please don't jump down my throat.... i thought the standard was 15% for breakfast and lunch (20 % if fine dining) an 20% for dinners (and more if fine dining)..
it has been a long time sine i lived off tips, i am surprised to hear they still do the 2.98 a hour crap, i thought they outlawed "servers wages" years ago..
(i just asked a restaurant owner and they are outlawed in CA, min wage is enforced here)
It varies. In CA since minimum wage is enforced, then 15% is the standard. Any place where server minimum is still in effect the minimum is 20%
Quote from: Suu on November 08, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2009, 03:22:15 PM
you might try writing on the ticket: "i only make $2.89 an hour. Your tip is greatly appreciated"
i don't think many people realize that min wage for waitstaff is so low.
That's a great way to get fired...though I wish it wasn't. In fact, I wish a news article could be posted on this.
my bad.
The tipping courtesy standard in Oregon is 20%, with a 15% minimum. 10% would be "your service sucks ass, dickhole". At bars, if paying cash, almost everyone tips a dollar per drink, with good beer being usually $4/pint. Most people I know tip $1.00 for cheap beer too, which means that sometimes the tip rate is 100%. If you run a tab then you usually go with the 20% rule, rounding up as applicable.
We don't have a server's wage; minimum wage is $8.40. Server jobs are coveted and very hard to get, especially bartending.
I try not to tip with coins, but I'll round out a tip with quarters if I don't have enough bills. When I'm dating someone, I judge them based on how they treat service employees and how much they tip, because someone who's a dick to servers will surely be a dick to me eventually, too. And no matter how much of a dick I think someone is, if I see them make eye contact and speak courteously to those who serve them, and tip well, it'll go a long way toward changing my mind.
I can't stand people who need to make themselves feel "above" people doing customer service. Obviously I'm biased because I spent 13 years as a customer service wage slave, but still. Man. Those people cheese me off.
Only ONCE did I have an issue with someone giving me the high-horse attitude and pull the, "Just how hard is your job anyway?" bit. Then she didn't realize how SPICY our entree was, especially when I wouldn't refill her water for a while.
There's ways to get your tables back, and I'll sacrifice a shitty tip for it. None of them are disgusting as what they do in Waiting, but at least I know that movie struck fear into the hearts of many people.
I almost never see people being actively dickish to servers, though I certainly got plenty of that over the years. What I consider "being a dick to the server" includes not looking at them, speaking to them in a peremptory tone, and not saying thank-you. Treating them like machines, basically, instead of using the basic courtesy that should be extended to anyone.
i used to bar tend at a bowling alley in the UPTM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Peninsula_of_Michigan)
we did get minumum wage which, at the time, was $5.19/hour i think.
but talk about shitty tips - the regulars (and all the customers were regulars) would should up around 3 or 4 pm and drink til close. they would leave a dollar tip. the bowlers didn't tip shit - especially if they ordered food. the college kids would tip pretty good - but they only came out for $3 pitcher night. on a *really* good night, i'd go home with $25 or so.
i remember i worked a 14 hour shift one sunday and split 50 cents with the cook.
so don't gimme your crap about not getting enough tips :argh!:
/rant
It has been a long-standing personal policy of mine that if one of my waitstaff is having problems with a table full of dickbags who are obviously going to leave a shitty tip (or no tip - thanks foreigners!) that that table's ticket will mysteriously keep getting pushed down the dupe rack until all the real peoples' orders have been sent out.
my last tip job was in a five star and i made 35-50$ a night just busing tables and the waiters were pulling 100-200$ easy.
i am still hung up on the revelation that servers minimum hasn't been universally done away with.. now i need to worry if i am shorting the staff when i travel
GA's rule: Tip $1. Do not order more than $5 worth of food. Finish quickly to avoid taking up any of the waiter's valuable time.
Prepare for the tipping to get worse with the next generation. Outside of serious math/science students, everyone currently in school uses a calculator for every kind of arithmetic. I mean, ask them to multiply 2 by 10 and they pull out their calculators. So unless the service industry manages to popularize the "$2 for every $10, plus $1 for every part thereof" rule, expect people to not tip a percentage just because they don't know what a percentage is or how to find one.
The 2x Sales Tax rule makes sense in states with more regressive tax policies. I think Tennessee is up to something like 12.5% now, so it's generous there.
Percentage based tipping is *such* a great idea, lets screw over the people who work at the restaurants I can actually afford to go to.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 08, 2009, 07:56:03 PM
Percentage based tipping is *such* a great idea, lets screw over the people who work at the restaurants I can actually afford to go to.
If you object to percentage-based tipping because it screws over the people who work at restaurants you can afford, I suggest you figure out how to tip those people as if you just consumed a $150 meal.
:?
Seriously, how do you propose tips should be calculated, if not proportional to the bill? Servers who work at inexpensive restaurants usually count on high turnover and volume... yeah, you can eat well at a taqueria for $5 and only tip $1.00, but you get your tacos in a couple of minutes and you don't linger over wine for hours, either. There's a place for both business models, and a lot in between.
I tip $5.00 minimum, even if my meal was $5.00. Above that I tip around 15% or so.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 08, 2009, 05:19:51 PM
It has been a long-standing personal policy of mine that if one of my waitstaff is having problems with a table full of dickbags who are obviously going to leave a shitty tip (or no tip - thanks foreigners!) that that table's ticket will mysteriously keep getting pushed down the dupe rack until all the real peoples' orders have been sent out.
This is pretty common, actually. If its not the kitchen, its the server who will delegate your order to the bottom of the stack. For example, when I get triple sat (or even if I have waters to refill, or any menial task), If you are a dick things will take a long time. Either that, or I just want you to get the hell out of there, and I dont really care that much. Honestly, for me, the latter is the case more than anything... I figure most people are dicks, I just kind of turn off my soul when I clock in and deal with it.
Quote from: GA on November 08, 2009, 05:23:29 PM
GA's rule: Tip $1. Do not order more than $5 worth of food. Finish quickly to avoid taking up any of the waiter's valuable time.
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I seriously wonder where you can go and only order $5 worth of food. Not trying to judge, this just confuses the hell out of me.
Do you only order side items?
Quote from: Suu on November 08, 2009, 04:42:33 PM
Only ONCE did I have an issue with someone giving me the high-horse attitude and pull the, "Just how hard is your job anyway?" bit. Then she didn't realize how SPICY our entree was, especially when I wouldn't refill her water for a while.
There's ways to get your tables back, and I'll sacrifice a shitty tip for it. None of them are disgusting as what they do in Waiting, but at least I know that movie struck fear into the hearts of many people.
That sort of snobbish attitude is something I deal with semi-frequently, despite the fact that the kind of waiting I do is slightly more difficult than most places. Most of the time, however the snobbery takes a different form. We have certain regular customers, who are friends with the owner, that are just hellish. God forbid you break a wine cork, or fail to neglect paying customers in favor of them, you'll have a new asshole.
As far as the Food Terrorism goes, I'll say that most of what goes on anywhere is not nearly as severe as whats portrayed in either Waiting or Fight Club. Most of the places you have to worry about that sort of thing are the places I wont eat at anyway.
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
i used to bar tend at a bowling alley in the UPTM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Peninsula_of_Michigan)
we did get minumum wage which, at the time, was $5.19/hour i think.
but talk about shitty tips - the regulars (and all the customers were regulars) would should up around 3 or 4 pm and drink til close. they would leave a dollar tip. the bowlers didn't tip shit - especially if they ordered food. the college kids would tip pretty good - but they only came out for $3 pitcher night. on a *really* good night, i'd go home with $25 or so.
i remember i worked a 14 hour shift one sunday and split 50 cents with the cook.
so don't gimme your crap about not getting enough tips :argh!:
/rant
I was a bartender for about two years at a sports bar relatively downtown (they call it NoDo, for North Downtown, fucking retarded considering the area is barely developed.) Anyway, we had a location near a major venue, which was good when we had big sporting events (olympic swim trials, or NCAA basketball finals), but most of the time it was awful. The place was terribly mismanaged and failed pretty terribly after a few years of yo-yoing. Anyway we had the worst fucking moochers you can imagine, and as the place started to go under the management pretty much started giving the house away just to draw in business, and it did, but the wrong kind of business.
When we did a 25 cent wing special for Superbowl Sunday, we were packed door to door all day. Dollar draws, homeless people (from the shelter three blocks away) tipping maybe ten cents a round. People would order 60 wings to go, disappear for an hour, and come back to try to get everything comped. If it wasnt for the fact that I was aware this would happen, and literally conscript my manager to look for them, they would have comped these scammers. The managers there comped everything. It was pathetic.
Anyway, I'm just demonstrating that I can empathize with your statement. There are places that are terrible to work, but even the fine dining establishments are suffering these days, and working in a shithole is no badge of honor. Its just bad breaks.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 08, 2009, 07:56:03 PM
Percentage based tipping is *such* a great idea, lets screw over the people who work at the restaurants I can actually afford to go to.
If you object to percentage-based tipping because it screws over the people who work at restaurants you can afford, I suggest you figure out how to tip those people as if you just consumed a $150 meal.
:?
Seriously, how do you propose tips should be calculated, if not proportional to the bill? Servers who work at inexpensive restaurants usually count on high turnover and volume... yeah, you can eat well at a taqueria for $5 and only tip $1.00, but you get your tacos in a couple of minutes and you don't linger over wine for hours, either. There's a place for both business models, and a lot in between.
This. Volume of business makes a huge difference.
On a good night, I have maybe six or seven tables a night and can bank one to two hundred off of this, I know people who do the same amount in a night... but wait on three times as many tables. The level of service is a lot less intense, the required background knowledge (or ability to fake it) not as important, and you're on your feet a lot more. None the less, tipping by percentage is a good standard.
Also, in case anybody is curious, I'd say the place where I work is four star at best. Three to Four star, I'm not sure. I didnt think anybody really used this antiquated rating system anymore, but I'm not surprised to find out that I'm wrong.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2009, 04:34:59 PM
I can't stand people who need to make themselves feel "above" people doing customer service. Obviously I'm biased because I spent 13 years as a customer service wage slave, but still. Man. Those people cheese me off.
I'm convinced that a lot of people go out to eat simply to feed their ego, they dont care about your service, the food, or anything else. They simply want a venue by which they can spew psychological abuse, or else wield power over another human being. I said it earlier today, when working the shift of the living dead (brunch), that small dicks and money are a bad combination.
Also, I think that my original post in this thread represents what I consider to be standard. However, in practice, my tipping habits tend to be a little bit more extreme. Being that I work downtown, I live downtown, and I eat downtown... I know the people who are serving me, I know the people who are feeding me. The hispanic guy who made my Lamb-Burger? I used to work with him, my girlfriend works with him, and I know he has three different jobs and works over 100 hours a week. The chick serving me, or the guy that made my drink? I probably know them both personally. That being said, I tend to over tip. I'm also more prone to getting the hook up.
(edit: after thinking about my example, I realized that the individual hispanic guy I'm thinking of who works the grill there, is referenced entirely accurately... but at least two of the other hispanic members of the staff at the restaurant I'm referencing, also work in the kitchen at the restaurant where I work. )
since we're on the subject of tipping - i have a tipping question:
i sometimes go to the local bar and grill for morning coffee. now, i think it's important to note that this is true middle of nowhere type of place. i.e. the bar is the gas station is the general store is the only reason google maps knows where it is kind of place.
the terms for coffee are: go get a cup, they're behind the bar, and fill it yourself. if the coffee runs out, go ahead and make another pot. this isn't due to a lazy employee or anything - it's usually the owner and they're busy ordering stuff and cleaning/opening.
coffee is a dollar - free refills. i usually have 3 or 4 cups.
i used to leave 50 cents or a dollar tip. but i quit leaving a tip, cuz i was like - if anyone should get the tip, it should be me.
am i out of line for not leaving a tip?
I'm assuming the $5 food is either cheap take-out (we have tons of taquerias and burrito places around here where you can get well-fed for $5) or food carts. Neither of which really compare with full-service places in terms of tipping expectations.
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2009, 11:10:53 PM
since we're on the subject of tipping - i have a tipping question:
i sometimes go to the local bar and grill for morning coffee. now, i think it's important to note that this is true middle of nowhere type of place. i.e. the bar is the gas station is the general store is the only reason google maps knows where it is kind of place.
the terms for coffee are: go get a cup, they're behind the bar, and fill it yourself. if the coffee runs out, go ahead and make another pot. this isn't due to a lazy employee or anything - it's usually the owner and they're busy ordering stuff and cleaning/opening.
coffee is a dollar - free refills. i usually have 3 or 4 cups.
i used to leave 50 cents or a dollar tip. but i quit leaving a tip, cuz i was like - if anyone should get the tip, it should be me.
am i out of line for not leaving a tip?
Based on what you describe, I dont think you're out of line.
If it were me, I'd tip 50 cents every time.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2009, 11:23:30 PM
I'm assuming the $5 food is either cheap take-out (we have tons of taquerias and burrito places around here where you can get well-fed for $5) or food carts. Neither of which really compare with full-service places in terms of tipping expectations.
That sounds fucking awesome.
Quote from: Z³ on November 08, 2009, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2009, 11:23:30 PM
I'm assuming the $5 food is either cheap take-out (we have tons of taquerias and burrito places around here where you can get well-fed for $5) or food carts. Neither of which really compare with full-service places in terms of tipping expectations.
That sounds fucking awesome.
It really, really is. There are a fuckton of non-fast-food places within walking distance where you can get a meal for under $5.
troof.
Portland is full of good cheap eats.
i really wish there was a Mr. Falafel nearby.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 08, 2009, 05:19:51 PM
It has been a long-standing personal policy of mine that if one of my waitstaff is having problems with a table full of dickbags who are obviously going to leave a shitty tip (or no tip - thanks foreigners!) that that table's ticket will mysteriously keep getting pushed down the dupe rack until all the real peoples' orders have been sent out.
Yep. If they aren't going to tip me and I know it, they may as well suffer.
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2009, 11:10:53 PM
since we're on the subject of tipping - i have a tipping question:
i sometimes go to the local bar and grill for morning coffee. now, i think it's important to note that this is true middle of nowhere type of place. i.e. the bar is the gas station is the general store is the only reason google maps knows where it is kind of place.
the terms for coffee are: go get a cup, they're behind the bar, and fill it yourself. if the coffee runs out, go ahead and make another pot. this isn't due to a lazy employee or anything - it's usually the owner and they're busy ordering stuff and cleaning/opening.
coffee is a dollar - free refills. i usually have 3 or 4 cups.
i used to leave 50 cents or a dollar tip. but i quit leaving a tip, cuz i was like - if anyone should get the tip, it should be me.
am i out of line for not leaving a tip?
You're not really being waited on. So no. IF you were sitting at a counter and a server brought you the cup and refilled it for you, then yes.
This is making me want kafta.
I have discovered that the reason tips suddenly took a dip was Oprah.
She said that it was "Okay" to tip your waitstaff "less than 20%" in these "hard economic times".
And everyone knows, the word of Oprah is GOD'S LAW.
Wow. So, the person who can afford to go out to eat can skimp on tips, and the person who only gets $2.50 an hour gets screwed.
Nice job breaking it, Oprah.
I make a point to be polite to people who handle my food out of my line of sight. Also, the first thing I look at on a date is how she talks to the waiter/waitress. Being rude or condescending to the wait staff is a sure sign that I am eating dinner with a scumbag, and no matter how hot she was before, she suddenly turns all ugly and warty.
I also make a point of tipping 30% or more. The amount of money involved is meaningless to me, and means a great deal to the poor bastard stuck in what is arguably the worst job in the world. Same goes with Pizza dudes.
Quote from: LMNO on November 11, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
Wow. So, the person who can afford to go out to eat can skimp on tips, and the person who only gets $2.50 an hour gets screwed.
Nice job breaking it, Oprah.
Unfortunately, it seems that people are screaming the racial argument that black people always tip less and she's no exception.
See also: One of my first posts in which I felt like waiting tables was making me racist.
-Suu
Has waited on enough celebrities and professional athletes to know they're mostly 20%'ers anyway. Unless you're Dustin Hoffmann, than you're just an awesome human being AND a 75% tipper.
Quote from: Suu on November 11, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
I have discovered that the reason tips suddenly took a dip was Oprah.
She said that it was "Okay" to tip your waitstaff "less than 20%" in these "hard economic times".
And everyone knows, the word of Oprah is GOD'S LAW.
That is such bullshit! If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out.
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Suu on November 11, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
I have discovered that the reason tips suddenly took a dip was Oprah.
She said that it was "Okay" to tip your waitstaff "less than 20%" in these "hard economic times".
And everyone knows, the word of Oprah is GOD'S LAW.
She was also responsible for an upsurge in KFC sales after their grilled chicken campaign.
Seriously. Oprah is a tool of the Masheen. Possibly a Tyson puppet.
Quote from: Suu on November 11, 2009, 04:46:04 PM
Unfortunately, it seems that people are screaming the racial argument that black people always tip less and she's no exception.
See also: One of my first posts in which I felt like waiting tables was making me racist.
Sadly this phenomenon is common, thankfully there are enough people that break the mold so racial profiling at a restaraunt isn't going to be universally true. What it is, really, is that dealing with the public on a day to day basis can have harmful effects on ones psyche.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's exactly like coffee shops. Which means they make minimum wage and work hard, and you should tip.
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's exactly like coffee shops. Which means they make minimum wage and work hard, and you should tip.
So if I were to walk into a place and ask for a coffee, regular drip coffee, they turn around, pour it into a cup, and hand it to me, I should pay how much extra for that work? We're talking 30 seconds of work, or in the case of the bagel place up to two minutes. Do I pay a dollar tip for a $1.50 cup of coffee? And what if I'm already paying the higher price to go to support a locally owned business?
I'm not arguing that they're paid great or that their job is easy, but at what point does this start getting out of control? The people in the dressing rooms at stores get about minimum wage, do I tip them for showing me which one to use?
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tipping where it's due. This is my devil's advocate act because I am genuinely confused.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's exactly like coffee shops. Which means they make minimum wage and work hard, and you should tip.
So if I were to walk into a place and ask for a coffee, regular drip coffee, they turn around, pour it into a cup, and hand it to me, I should pay how much extra for that work? We're talking 30 seconds of work, or in the case of the bagel place up to two minutes. Do I pay a dollar tip for a $1.50 cup of coffee? And what if I'm already paying the higher price to go to support a locally owned business?
I'm not arguing that they're paid great or that their job is easy, but at what point does this start getting out of control? The people in the dressing rooms at stores get about minimum wage, do I tip them for showing me which one to use?
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tipping where it's due. This is my devil's advocate act because I am genuinely confused.
Listen, it's
either you're playing Devil's Advocate
or you're genuinely confused. The two are mutually exclusive.
WTF is wrong with you, are you stupid? You can't figure out 15% of $1.50? Drop a fucking quarter in and call it good.
Those fuckers at the coffee shop have to be there at 4:30 in the morning, they have to grind and brew the coffee and keep the place clean and be on their feet, MOVE MOVE MOVE, with lines out the door, scalding potential at every turn (and they do get burned, a lot) and oblivious assholes like you who expect to be served in under a minute.
It's the SERVICE FUCKING INDUSTRY. You fucking entitled bourgeois prig.
:crankey:
Seriously, there's a FUCKING TIP JAR there for idiots who can't figure out whether they're supposed to tip. Put a fucking quarter in it.
I like how you seem to think that the only thing they do is pour coffee, like there's a team of magic elves who come in and take care of everything else.
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
Listen, it's either you're playing Devil's Advocate or you're genuinely confused. The two are mutually exclusive.
WTF is wrong with you, are you stupid? You can't figure out 15% of $1.50? Drop a fucking quarter in and call it good.
Those fuckers at the coffee shop have to be there at 4:30 in the morning, they have to grind and brew the coffee and keep the place clean and be on their feet, MOVE MOVE MOVE, with lines out the door, scalding potential at every turn (and they do get burned, a lot) and oblivious assholes like you who expect to be served in under a minute.
It's the SERVICE FUCKING INDUSTRY. You fucking entitled bourgeois prig.
:crankey:
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 11:30:30 PM
Seriously, there's a FUCKING TIP JAR there for idiots who can't figure out whether they're supposed to tip. Put a fucking quarter in it.
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 11:32:46 PM
I like how you seem to think that the only thing they do is pour coffee, like there's a team of magic elves who come in and take care of everything else.
Yikes.
Sorry about that. The rage took over for a second.
FYI retail clerks often make commission or profit-based bonuses, which is the traditional reason for not tipping them. Service industry outside of retail sales do not normally get commissions and instead rely on tips.
Yes, it is complicated figuring out which is which sometimes, but the basic rule of thumb is, did they give you something that goes into use on the spot, or did you buy a thing to take home? Gas station pump jockeys = service. Tip them. Pants salesman = retail. Do not tip.
You can tip contractors (like your gardener and your plumber), but traditionally instead of "tipping" you give them gifts... might be $500 at Christmas, or it might be a bottle of wine every couple of service calls.
Tip your garbagemen occasionally... twice a year is fine. An envelope with "thank you" taped to the can and a couple of $20's inside is fine. It'll save you money later when they don't charge you for extra bags.
Any questions?
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
FYI retail clerks often make commission or profit-based bonuses, which is the traditional reason for not tipping them. Service industry outside of retail sales do not normally get commissions and instead rely on tips.
Yes, it is complicated figuring out which is which sometimes, but the basic rule of thumb is, did they give you something that goes into use on the spot, or did you buy a thing to take home? Gas station pump jockeys = service. Tip them. Pants salesman = retail. Do not tip.
You can tip contractors (like your gardener and your plumber), but traditionally instead of "tipping" you give them gifts... might be $500 at Christmas, or it might be a bottle of wine every couple of service calls.
Tip your garbagemen occasionally... twice a year is fine. An envelope with "thank you" taped to the can and a couple of $20's inside is fine. It'll save you money later when they don't charge you for extra bags.
Any questions?
Actually yeah.
See, all of this is new. I mentioned hair cutting earlier confused me because once my parents stopped paying for haircuts, I grew my hair out for years. By the time I actually got it cut someone mentioned something about tipping and I was like "oh...FUCK" because I'd missed a few times.
I've never had to hire a contractor because I've never owned a home.
I specifically avoid full service stations because I don't see the point in bothering someone to do what I can do in just as much time with just as much effort on my own (not a coffee shop frequenter because I brew my own). When on a road trip through Jersey, where full service is mandatory, I was incredibly uncomfortable having someone do it for me.
Garbage men, now do you pay them for your curbside pickup, because wherever I've lived it's just been a city service. If it's a city service do you still tip them?
But yeah the dressing room thing was just for the sake of argument, I know not to tip them.
Edit: Oh, and the using on the spot thing. If I'm buying a pound of coffee at a coffee shop, which generally takes more time to get together than the cup I would order, is that a tipable service? I won't be using it just then. The same would apply to the bagels and cream cheese that I take home to eat throughout the week.
EoC,
doing this shit to
death.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's exactly like coffee shops. Which means they make minimum wage and work hard, and you should tip.
So if I were to walk into a place and ask for a coffee, regular drip coffee, they turn around, pour it into a cup, and hand it to me, I should pay how much extra for that work? We're talking 30 seconds of work, or in the case of the bagel place up to two minutes. Do I pay a dollar tip for a $1.50 cup of coffee? And what if I'm already paying the higher price to go to support a locally owned business?
I'm not arguing that they're paid great or that their job is easy, but at what point does this start getting out of control? The people in the dressing rooms at stores get about minimum wage, do I tip them for showing me which one to use?
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tipping where it's due. This is my devil's advocate act because I am genuinely confused.
Okay. At your job, you should be paid less for every hour in which your work is less difficult than average.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 11, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
I was always told it was 15% minimum, which I've given on a few occasions of shitty service, but I generally do just over 20%. I also went a few embarassing years not realizing that I was supposed to be tipping the hair dresser. Hopefully I haven't been screwing any others out of their pay without knowing it.
The bagel place I go to has a line on the receipt for tips, but isn't it sort've like coffee shops? Tipping is a nice gesture but they're still paid regular wages on top of it. I mean they make breakfast sandwiches and stuff here, but if I'm asking for a half dozen bagels and a container of cream cheese I don't usually tip. It'd be like tipping the butcher or the fishmonger.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, it's exactly like coffee shops. Which means they make minimum wage and work hard, and you should tip.
So if I were to walk into a place and ask for a coffee, regular drip coffee, they turn around, pour it into a cup, and hand it to me, I should pay how much extra for that work? We're talking 30 seconds of work, or in the case of the bagel place up to two minutes. Do I pay a dollar tip for a $1.50 cup of coffee? And what if I'm already paying the higher price to go to support a locally owned business?
I'm not arguing that they're paid great or that their job is easy, but at what point does this start getting out of control? The people in the dressing rooms at stores get about minimum wage, do I tip them for showing me which one to use?
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tipping where it's due. This is my devil's advocate act because I am genuinely confused.
Okay. At your job, you should be paid less for every hour in which your work is less difficult than average.
I wonder if my employer takes personal checks.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 12, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
FYI retail clerks often make commission or profit-based bonuses, which is the traditional reason for not tipping them. Service industry outside of retail sales do not normally get commissions and instead rely on tips.
Yes, it is complicated figuring out which is which sometimes, but the basic rule of thumb is, did they give you something that goes into use on the spot, or did you buy a thing to take home? Gas station pump jockeys = service. Tip them. Pants salesman = retail. Do not tip.
You can tip contractors (like your gardener and your plumber), but traditionally instead of "tipping" you give them gifts... might be $500 at Christmas, or it might be a bottle of wine every couple of service calls.
Tip your garbagemen occasionally... twice a year is fine. An envelope with "thank you" taped to the can and a couple of $20's inside is fine. It'll save you money later when they don't charge you for extra bags.
Any questions?
Actually yeah.
See, all of this is new. I mentioned hair cutting earlier confused me because once my parents stopped paying for haircuts, I grew my hair out for years. By the time I actually got it cut someone mentioned something about tipping and I was like "oh...FUCK" because I'd missed a few times.
I've never had to hire a contractor because I've never owned a home.
I specifically avoid full service stations because I don't see the point in bothering someone to do what I can do in just as much time with just as much effort on my own (not a coffee shop frequenter because I brew my own). When on a road trip through Jersey, where full service is mandatory, I was incredibly uncomfortable having someone do it for me.
Garbage men, now do you pay them for your curbside pickup, because wherever I've lived it's just been a city service. If it's a city service do you still tip them?
But yeah the dressing room thing was just for the sake of argument, I know not to tip them.
Edit: Oh, and the using on the spot thing. If I'm buying a pound of coffee at a coffee shop, which generally takes more time to get together than the cup I would order, is that a tipable service? I won't be using it just then. The same would apply to the bagels and cream cheese that I take home to eat throughout the week.
EoC,
doing this shit to death.
You're an asshole.
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2009, 11:32:46 PM
I like how you seem to think that the only thing they do is pour coffee, like there's a team of magic elves who come in and take care of everything else.
Yeah, the floor and counters just clean themselves. The bathrooms, too.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
You're an asshole.
And attacking my character for not liking the way I phrased a purely innocent response is a dick move.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 12, 2009, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
You're an asshole.
And attacking my character for not liking the way I phrased a purely innocent response is a dick move.
Yes, yes it is. But the "character" you were displaying was an easy target.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 12, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
Garbage men, now do you pay them for your curbside pickup, because wherever I've lived it's just been a city service. If it's a city service do you still tip them?
Yes. The city contracts with them to provide a service. You don't "tip" per se, you give them small occasional gifts of cash.
Quote
Edit: Oh, and the using on the spot thing. If I'm buying a pound of coffee at a coffee shop, which generally takes more time to get together than the cup I would order, is that a tipable service?
No. Unless they grind it for you. That's a service.
Quote
The same would apply to the bagels and cream cheese that I take home to eat throughout the week.
Don't tip for those unless they put the cream cheese on FOR you or carry them out to your car. It's groceries.
VERY basic rule of thumb; you tip for service, not for goods received. You tip for being served. The merchandise merely dictates the size of the tip. There are exceptions, and part of being an adult is learning them. For instance, you would not tip your hotel maid 20% of your room price because that would be cost prohibitive... say you stay in a room 4 nights, at $200/night. You're totally not expected to tip your maid $160. In fact, $20 is fine. Your total tips to the hotel staff, over four days, including the valet and the porter, should be about 20% though.
These are things you might never need to know, but it is still your responsibility to learn them, just in case. So you're not an ASSHOLE if you find yourself honeymooning at the Empress.
BTW, the city service; actually, the city usually contracts with private garbage haulers, and the property owner pays the bill. If you have never owned property there is no reason for you to already know that, though. Your city may vary.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 02:06:50 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 12, 2009, 12:29:23 AM
Garbage men, now do you pay them for your curbside pickup, because wherever I've lived it's just been a city service. If it's a city service do you still tip them?
Yes. The city contracts with them to provide a service. You don't "tip" per se, you give them small occasional gifts of cash.
Quote
Edit: Oh, and the using on the spot thing. If I'm buying a pound of coffee at a coffee shop, which generally takes more time to get together than the cup I would order, is that a tipable service?
No. Unless they grind it for you. That's a service.
Quote
The same would apply to the bagels and cream cheese that I take home to eat throughout the week.
Don't tip for those unless they put the cream cheese on FOR you or carry them out to your car. It's groceries.
Ah, that's what I was trying to figure out, thank you. I guess equating that to getting a cup of coffee wasn't entirely accurate.
The garbage men and contractor ones are news to me, so I'll tuck them away for potential future home ownership.
The room service I did manage to learn at a young age. That's usually in the welcome pamphlets they have lying in the room.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 12:07:22 AM
Sorry about that. The rage took over for a second.
I love you. Marry me?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 01:55:59 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 12, 2009, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
You're an asshole.
And attacking my character for not liking the way I phrased a purely innocent response is a dick move.
Yes, yes it is. But the "character" you were displaying was an easy target.
If he doesn't know, he doesn't know...better him learn it from us than from someone else.
Hold on a second...
Servers get below the standard minimum wage because of tips. Don't ask me how the restaraunt lobby was able to get away with this, I didn't do it.
As far as I know, people who work at coffee shops, ice cream stores, etc do get standard minimum wage, at least.
The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard. Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.
Now, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.
What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between not leaving a good tip for your waiter, and not tossing a dollar into the tip jar at Starbucks.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
Hold on a second...
Servers get below the standard minimum wage because of tips. Don't ask me how the restaraunt lobby was able to get away with this, I didn't do it.
As far as I know, people who work at coffee shops, ice cream stores, etc do get standard minimum wage, at least.
The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard. Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.
Now, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.
What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between not leaving a good tip for your waiter, and not tossing a dollar into the tip jar at Starbucks.
Bah. We don't have server's wage in Oregon, nor in many other states, rendering your argument completely irrelevant.
Tipping is a social skill. If you earn enough to go out and be served, you should tip. It doesn't make you an asshole if you don't always tip your barista, but dropping your change in the tip jar is the socially gracious thing to do.
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
Bah. We don't have server's wage in Oregon, nor in many other states, rendering your argument completely irrelevant.
Wait, what?
http://www.raiseminwage.org/id38.html
QuoteIn 1966, Congress approved the first minimum cash payment for tipped employees, a payment set at half the minimum wage (which was being raised from $1.25 to $1.60). Unions supported the tip wage because restaurant and bar owners had been counting all tips towards the minimum wage, with no legal obligation to pay a food server or bartender any cash minimum. The federal tip minimum varied from 40% to 50% of the minimum wage until 1996, when Congress froze it at half of the then-current minimum wage of $4.25 and added the requirement that if an employee's average tips did not bring the total wage up to the minimum, the employer would make up the difference. The federal tip minimum has remained at $2.13 ever since, even though the federal minimum wage itself has reached $7.25.
Five states--Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Alabama, and Mississippi--don't set state minimum wages at all for anyone, so the federal tip wage prevails for tipped employees.
In seven states and Guam, the employer cannot credit any portion of the employee's average tip amount against the cash wage that must be paid, so the employee earns the full minimum age plus tips. The states are Oregon (which passed its law in 1977), California, Alaska, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, and Washington.
7 out of 50 isn't "many".
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
Bah. We don't have server's wage in Oregon, nor in many other states, rendering your argument completely irrelevant.
Wait, what?
http://www.raiseminwage.org/id38.html
QuoteIn 1966, Congress approved the first minimum cash payment for tipped employees, a payment set at half the minimum wage (which was being raised from $1.25 to $1.60). Unions supported the tip wage because restaurant and bar owners had been counting all tips towards the minimum wage, with no legal obligation to pay a food server or bartender any cash minimum. The federal tip minimum varied from 40% to 50% of the minimum wage until 1996, when Congress froze it at half of the then-current minimum wage of $4.25 and added the requirement that if an employee's average tips did not bring the total wage up to the minimum, the employer would make up the difference. The federal tip minimum has remained at $2.13 ever since, even though the federal minimum wage itself has reached $7.25.
Five states--Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Alabama, and Mississippi--don't set state minimum wages at all for anyone, so the federal tip wage prevails for tipped employees.
In seven states and Guam, the employer cannot credit any portion of the employee's average tip amount against the cash wage that must be paid, so the employee earns the full minimum age plus tips. The states are Oregon (which passed its law in 1977), California, Alaska, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, and Washington.
7 out of 50 isn't "many".
Semantics games? I expect better of you. Seven is more than a few, in my mind. I knew it was more than four, and "many" was easier than looking it up.
Regardless, your argument is irrelevant. Because you are making this argument to someone who lives in a state without server's minimum. Furthermore, the quote you just posted ALSO renders your argument invalid because baristas count as tipped employees.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
It's a Canadian thing. Tim Horton's employees aren't paid in cash, they're paid in frozen human embryos, which they eat like Italian Ice.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
It's a Canadian thing. Tim Horton's employees aren't paid in cash, they're paid in frozen human embryos, which they eat like Italian Ice.
Is that why they are always so damn chipper? Meanwhile go into a Dunkin Donuts and they all act like someone just ran over their cat.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
Semantics games? I expect better of you. Seven is more than a few, in my mind. I knew it was more than four, and "many" was easier than looking it up. Regardless, your argument is irrelevant. Because you are making this argument to someone who lives in a state without server's minimum. Furthermore, the quote you just posted ALSO renders your argument invalid because baristas count as tipped employees.
So, one reason my argument is invalid is because it doesn't apply to 14% of the nation, including the state
Suu works in (who, incidentally, started this thread)? And you call this "semantics"? Odd, that.
Also, where does it mention barristas are tipped employees? Glassdoor.com (http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Starbucks-Barista-Salaries-E2202_D_KO10,17.htm) indicates starbucks pays the federal minimum wage, ~$8.00/hr
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
I don't think that's the point he's making. I think he's saying instead of giving your tip to the folks behind the counter at Timmy Hoho's (that's what we call it round these parts), you just put it in the Jimmy Fund box instead. But since the Jimmy Fund has such a profound impact on most of New England as the top charity, it's just the norm. Some places like that around here don't even have a tip jar, just the Jimmy Fund box. I'm sure that RWHN still tips his servers.
I'm guilty, I don't always tip the counter folk at Dunkin, mostly because I KNOW that Dunkin starts their employees at 9 and change with fantastic benefits. However, if I do get exceptional service then yeah, they're getting a buck (I won't tip less than that because it makes me feel like shit). Once I became a regular at one store, the ladies knew me, saw me, and had my coffee ready and waiting by the time I got to the counter. In my opinion that goes above and beyond for anyone working at Dunkin Donuts, and they knew I'd toss them a buck too, which was a form of insurance that I would get first class service every time.
I can't say that I've always gotten great service at Starbucks as rarely as I go there, but for $4+ for a cup of whatever I'm getting, I better get good service. They also are known for paying their baristas exceptionally well.
The servers and bartenders in actual sit-down dining establishments here are who get the short end of the stick, and for a state that is known internationally for some of the best restaurants, you'd think they'd take a bit more pride in how they treat their food service workers, but that's RI for ya, if they aren't getting a kick-back in some shape or form, no one will bother fixing the problem.
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
I don't think that's the point he's making. I think he's saying instead of giving your tip to the folks behind the counter at Timmy Hoho's (that's what we call it round these parts), you just put it in the Jimmy Fund box instead. But since the Jimmy Fund has such a profound impact on most of New England as the top charity, it's just the norm. Some places like that around here don't even have a tip jar, just the Jimmy Fund box. I'm sure that RWHN still tips his servers.
I'm guilty, I don't always tip the counter folk at Dunkin, mostly because I KNOW that Dunkin starts their employees at 9 and change with fantastic benefits. However, if I do get exceptional service then yeah, they're getting a buck (I won't tip less than that because it makes me feel like shit). Once I became a regular at one store, the ladies knew me, saw me, and had my coffee ready and waiting by the time I got to the counter. In my opinion that goes above and beyond for anyone working at Dunkin Donuts, and they knew I'd toss them a buck too, which was a form of insurance that I would get first class service every time.
I can't say that I've always gotten great service at Starbucks as rarely as I go there, but for $4+ for a cup of whatever I'm getting, I better get good service. They also are known for paying their baristas exceptionally well.
The servers and bartenders in actual sit-down dining establishments here are who get the short end of the stick, and for a state that is known internationally for some of the best restaurants, you'd think they'd take a bit more pride in how they treat their food service workers, but that's RI for ya, if they aren't getting a kick-back in some shape or form, no one will bother fixing the problem.
I take goo care of my servers. Hey, the whole reason we go out is so we don't have to cook and do the dishes. So yeah, I make sure they get the scratch they've earned. Butthe coffee shop thing is different. As Suu points out they're starting off with minimum wage, and a place like Starbucks has traditionally treated their employees pretty well. I'd much rather throw a buck to a charity in that scenario.
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
I don't think that's the point he's making. I think he's saying instead of giving your tip to the folks behind the counter at Timmy Hoho's (that's what we call it round these parts), you just put it in the Jimmy Fund box instead. But since the Jimmy Fund has such a profound impact on most of New England as the top charity, it's just the norm. Some places like that around here don't even have a tip jar, just the Jimmy Fund box. I'm sure that RWHN still tips his servers.
I'm guilty, I don't always tip the counter folk at Dunkin, mostly because I KNOW that Dunkin starts their employees at 9 and change with fantastic benefits. However, if I do get exceptional service then yeah, they're getting a buck (I won't tip less than that because it makes me feel like shit). Once I became a regular at one store, the ladies knew me, saw me, and had my coffee ready and waiting by the time I got to the counter. In my opinion that goes above and beyond for anyone working at Dunkin Donuts, and they knew I'd toss them a buck too, which was a form of insurance that I would get first class service every time.
I can't say that I've always gotten great service at Starbucks as rarely as I go there, but for $4+ for a cup of whatever I'm getting, I better get good service. They also are known for paying their baristas exceptionally well.
The servers and bartenders in actual sit-down dining establishments here are who get the short end of the stick, and for a state that is known internationally for some of the best restaurants, you'd think they'd take a bit more pride in how they treat their food service workers, but that's RI for ya, if they aren't getting a kick-back in some shape or form, no one will bother fixing the problem.
I take goo care of my servers. Hey, the whole reason we go out is so we don't have to cook and do the dishes. So yeah, I make sure they get the scratch they've earned. Butthe coffee shop thing is different. As Suu points out they're starting off with minimum wage, and a place like Starbucks has traditionally treated their employees pretty well. I'd much rather throw a buck to a charity in that scenario.
Man, in Ohio they would throw us in jail if we goo on our servers... :wink:
Maine is the exception to every law.
My fucking 'd' key is going on me!
:argh!:
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.
Quote from: Suu on November 08, 2009, 04:42:33 PM
Only ONCE did I have an issue with someone giving me the high-horse attitude and pull the, "Just how hard is your job anyway?" bit. Then she didn't realize how SPICY our entree was, especially when I wouldn't refill her water for a while.
There's ways to get your tables back, and I'll sacrifice a shitty tip for it. None of them are disgusting as what they do in Waiting, but at least I know that movie struck fear into the hearts of many people.
i love that movie, it's awesome. It makes me smile after being 5 years in catering. :D
I get paid £7 per hour at the sammich bar. I nevar get tips. well there was one time got a fiver, but thats been all.
I always encourage tipping at restaurants anyway, many a time I have told my family off for scrimping on the tips.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
My fucking 'd' key is going on me!
:argh!:
so retune your keyboard . . .
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Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
Semantics games? I expect better of you. Seven is more than a few, in my mind. I knew it was more than four, and "many" was easier than looking it up. Regardless, your argument is irrelevant. Because you are making this argument to someone who lives in a state without server's minimum. Furthermore, the quote you just posted ALSO renders your argument invalid because baristas count as tipped employees.
So, one reason my argument is invalid is because it doesn't apply to 14% of the nation, including the state Suu works in (who, incidentally, started this thread)? And you call this "semantics"? Odd, that.
Also, where does it mention barristas are tipped employees? Glassdoor.com (http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Starbucks-Barista-Salaries-E2202_D_KO10,17.htm) indicates starbucks pays the federal minimum wage, ~$8.00/hr
Your argument is invalid to
me. You were arguing with
me, not Suu. And getting all semantic about my use of the word "many" was just a red herring.
Regardless of what Starbucks pays (at least $8.40 in Oregon) in states that have servers minimums, if the establishment allows them to accept tips they technically qualify as "tipped employees", don't they?
Now who's playing with semantics?
CHILDREN!
Don't make me have to turn this car around!
Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.
My opinions of non-tippers are my own. I place social etiquette high on my scale of values, and I do use it as a barometer of overall classiness. I wouldn't go on a second date with a man who was discourteous or who didn't tip his barista, presuming the barista performed as expected and wasn't slow or rude. That's just me.
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.
RIght, me throwing in some change to the charity box at Tim Horton's has fuck all to do with whether or not I tip at Chilis.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.
My opinions of non-tippers are my own. I place social etiquette high on my scale of values, and I do use it as a barometer of overall classiness. I wouldn't go on a second date with a man who was discourteous or who didn't tip his barista, presuming the barista performed as expected and wasn't slow or rude. That's just me.
It's a coffee/donut shop like Dunkin Donuts. They don't put tip jars out. But they pay their employees well (for food service) and instead they have donation boxes for charitable organizations.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Now who's playing with semantics?
Are you saying they DON'T qualify as tipped employees? Or that Starbucks is the only place that baristas work? Because you seem to be implying that because Starbucks pays regular minimum wage, all places do.
And this is still just sort of a bullshit distraction from the real topic, anyway. Which is that you should tip people who provide you a service. Valets, porters, and hotel maids make minimum wage... are you against tipping them?
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:15:22 PM
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.
RIght, me throwing in some change to the charity box at Tim Horton's has fuck all to do with whether or not I tip at Chilis.
So why even bring it up as an argument against tipping? Some places don't have a tip jar. SO WHAT?
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.
RIght, me throwing in some change to the charity box at Tim Horton's has fuck all to do with whether or not I tip at Chilis.
So why even bring it up as an argument against tipping? Some places don't have a tip jar. SO WHAT?
It wasn't an argument. It was a comment on my behavior that you turned into an argument.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
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Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids. That's what I do.
I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? :lulz:
Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants? My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Not Tim Hortons and Chilis.
And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.
RIght, me throwing in some change to the charity box at Tim Horton's has fuck all to do with whether or not I tip at Chilis.
So why even bring it up as an argument against tipping? Some places don't have a tip jar. SO WHAT?
It wasn't an argument. It was a comment on my behavior that you turned into an argument.
Oh, well then I completely misunderstood your point. Sorry.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Now who's playing with semantics?
Are you saying they DON'T qualify as tipped employees? Or that Starbucks is the only place that baristas work? Because you seem to be implying that because Starbucks pays regular minimum wage, all places do.
And this is still just sort of a bullshit distraction from the real topic, anyway. Which is that you should tip people who provide you a service. Valets, porters, and hotel maids make minimum wage... are you against tipping them?
:lulz:
QuoteNow, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.
Man, I had that bolded in the original post and
everything, to avoid what you just did.
LAWL, etc.
Maybe her opinion on tipping is different since she lives in a state that knows how to pay people?
Or maybe we should start a pention?
Or :?
Either way, knock it off. Or I'm dropping you kids off at the border.
Yes, mom...
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.
It's the Canadian spawning ground.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:23:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Now who's playing with semantics?
Are you saying they DON'T qualify as tipped employees? Or that Starbucks is the only place that baristas work? Because you seem to be implying that because Starbucks pays regular minimum wage, all places do.
And this is still just sort of a bullshit distraction from the real topic, anyway. Which is that you should tip people who provide you a service. Valets, porters, and hotel maids make minimum wage... are you against tipping them?
:lulz:
QuoteNow, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.
Man, I had that bolded in the original post and everything, to avoid what you just did.
LAWL, etc.
OK, so you're not arguing against tipping baristas? How interesting to put a disclaimer like that in there, and then proceed to build an argument against tipping baristas.
Besides the fact that servers minimum is a moot point where I am, I have a nit to pick with your original premise.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard. Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.
You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.
always thought 15% was the standard... at least that is what my grandparents told me...
which use to work out when the tax here was 15%, but they dropped the GST and screwed up my tipping strategy
:cry:
now I just sit at home and cry *
*actually I don't. Up here they have this add tip button on the interact machines, so you don't even have to think anymore.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.
That, in itself, is a horrible notion.
"Someone is doing better than hand to mouth survival! FIX THAT SHIT!"
Also, this quibbling over semantics back and forth is exactly the sort of shit that's driving everyone to bad acid.
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
OK, so you're not arguing against tipping baristas? How interesting to put a disclaimer like that in there, and then proceed to build an argument against tipping baristas.
um...
Quote from: LMNOWhat I'm saying is that there is a big difference between not leaving a good tip for your waiter, and not tossing a dollar into the tip jar at Starbucks.
^
My argument.
QuoteI have a nit to pick with your original premise.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard. Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.
You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.
"The main argument" that I was referring to was from people who advocate tipping well at restaraunts because they do not get the standard minimum wage.
Whether this is because they the people who decided to legislate this
expect them to get voluntary tips or not is beside the point. The point is that many people who do not tip at restaraunts (outside of the 7 already mentioned) seem to be surprised that the servers only make $2.00 an hour.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
For me it is mostly to make sure I'm not fucking up the math and screwing them over. After a long day at work staring at spreadsheets my math can get a little fuzzy.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
For me it is mostly to make sure I'm not fucking up the math and screwing them over. After a long day at work staring at spreadsheets my math can get a little fuzzy.
Yeah, I should have said I calculate the minimum (15%), and then add an arbitrary number.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.
You just made Leonard Cohen cry.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Whether this is because they the people who decided to legislate this expect them to get voluntary tips or not is beside the point. The point is that many people who do not tip at restaraunts (outside of the 7 already mentioned) seem to be surprised that the servers only make $2.00 an hour.
is that legal down there?
Quote from: Hoopla on November 12, 2009, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.
You just made Leonard Cohen cry.
Yeah, but what
doesn't make Leonard Cohen cry?
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's. Bess Eaton was better.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on November 12, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Whether this is because they the people who decided to legislate this expect them to get voluntary tips or not is beside the point. The point is that many people who do not tip at restaraunts (outside of the 7 already mentioned) seem to be surprised that the servers only make $2.00 an hour.
is that legal down there?
Yes.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.
Not the point. I use 15% - just as easy to calculate - as the baseline, and then add based on the qualities listed above.
Just using a 20% number rewards poor servers, and fucks the good ones over.
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's.
agree
It is kind of better then Robbins Donuts IMHO, if that impresses you.
:|
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on November 12, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's.
agree
It is kind of better then Robbins Donuts IMHO, if that impresses you.
:|
Aww, I like Tim Horton's. Granted my choice here is DD, Starbucks, or Tim Horton's. TH is close and DD always has lines out the door. TH coffee is better.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.
Not the point. I use 15% - just as easy to calculate - as the baseline, and then add based on the qualities listed above.
Just using a 20% number rewards poor servers, and fucks the good ones over.
Other than The Hot Dog Incident, I don't remember the last time I got poor service here.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on November 12, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's.
agree
It is kind of better then Robbins Donuts IMHO, if that impresses you.
:|
I have never heard of Robbins Donuts or Sue Eatons, either.
We have Voodoo Donuts. They do weddings! And sometimes wrestling.
I have heard very good things about this Voodoo Donuts from a friend.
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 07:11:31 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on November 12, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's.
agree
It is kind of better then Robbins Donuts IMHO, if that impresses you.
:|
Aww, I like Tim Horton's. Granted my choice here is DD, Starbucks, or Tim Horton's. TH is close and DD always has lines out the door. TH coffee is better.
DD owns RI. Tim Horton's is just here for mandatory monopoly laws.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.
Not the point. I use 15% - just as easy to calculate - as the baseline, and then add based on the qualities listed above.
Just using a 20% number rewards poor servers, and fucks the good ones over.
Other than The Hot Dog Incident, I don't remember the last time I got poor service here.
It happens here, occasionally. Went into a restaurant, place is empty, there's 2 of us. Orders were taken (after a while), food was delivered, my friend and I talked for about a half hour (including dinner). Not a single coffee refill, waiter was too busy bullshitting with the busboy to bother.
NOT 20%. 15%, and then only on principle.
On the other hand, I've gone into a screamingly busy IHOP, gotten good service (food took a while, but that's gonna happen when they're busy), coffee carafe stayed full, waitress checked in on us after we got our food, but was unobtrusive. She got a ~ 35% tip.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 12, 2009, 07:18:04 PM
I have heard very good things about this Voodoo Donuts from a friend.
The donuts are ridiculously delicious!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 12, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it. So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.
I never calculate my tips. I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.
I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.
Not the point. I use 15% - just as easy to calculate - as the baseline, and then add based on the qualities listed above.
Just using a 20% number rewards poor servers, and fucks the good ones over.
Other than The Hot Dog Incident, I don't remember the last time I got poor service here.
It happens here, occasionally. Went into a restaurant, place is empty, there's 2 of us. Orders were taken (after a while), food was delivered, my friend and I talked for about a half hour (including dinner). Not a single coffee refill, waiter was too busy bullshitting with the busboy to bother.
NOT 20%. 15%, and then only on principle.
On the other hand, I've gone into a screamingly busy IHOP, gotten good service (food took a while, but that's gonna happen when they're busy), coffee carafe stayed full, waitress checked in on us after we got our food, but was unobtrusive. She got a ~ 35% tip.
Yeah, 20% is my baseline. If service is shitty they get less, if it's above and beyond they get more.
Also, do not forget the poor sod delivering your pizzas! Not only is he making crap wages and driving around town cause your ass is too lazy to go get fucking food, but the incidents of crime involving the pie carrying bastards is scary as hell. I have about a dozen friends that hauled pizza at some point in their youth and EVERYFUCKINGONEOFTHEM got robbed at gun/knife point, at least once.
I tip 20%, if the person is awesome, or cute (and competent) I tip more. Yes, maybe that makes me a pig, but meh.
The only time I ever tip less is in the face of sheer incompetence and rude behavior... and then it may hit as low as 10%, but I can only think of once or twice where that happened.
And we have Buckeye Doughnuts on OSU Campus... They're 24/7 AND they deliver. I think that speaks volumes about the level of marijuana usage in the campus area.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 12, 2009, 07:56:46 PM
Also, do not forget the poor sod delivering your pizzas!
I mentioned that a page or so ago.
Always tip the pizza dude.
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
Yes, it is complicated figuring out which is which sometimes, but the basic rule of thumb is, did they give you something that goes into use on the spot, or did you buy a thing to take home? Gas station pump jockeys = service. Tip them.
I'm gonna have to speak up on this one. I'd tip a pump jockey if I had made the choice to go to a full-service station instead of a self-serve, but given that I (and you) live in a state where it is mandatory to let someone else pump your gas for you, tipping every time you fill up seems both retarded and cost-prohibitive and I have not been doing it and will continue not to do it. I don't think I should be expected to tip for a service when I don't have a choice of not utilizing that service (other than driving across the river to WA every time I need gas).
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 12, 2009, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 12, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
Yes, it is complicated figuring out which is which sometimes, but the basic rule of thumb is, did they give you something that goes into use on the spot, or did you buy a thing to take home? Gas station pump jockeys = service. Tip them.
I'm gonna have to speak up on this one. I'd tip a pump jockey if I had made the choice to go to a full-service station instead of a self-serve, but given that I (and you) live in a state where it is mandatory to let someone else pump your gas for you, tipping every time you fill up seems both retarded and cost-prohibitive and I have not been doing it and will continue not to do it. I don't think I should be expected to tip for a service when I don't have a choice of not utilizing that service (other than driving across the river to WA every time I need gas).
You have a point, and actually I don't tip the gas station attendant every time, mostly because it's not even an option if you pay with a card. I do tip when I pay cash, though. And I'll pull out cash and tip if they wash my windows.
I only fill up every other week or so, though. Not a big deal for me.
I prefer to tip crackheads to wash my windows since I figure they need it more.
Also, I can usually get them to dance for me by waving a 5-spot at them.
RCH,
not above humiliating crackheads for personal amusement
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 13, 2009, 12:06:26 AM
I prefer to tip crackheads to wash my windows since I figure they need it more.
Also, I can usually get them to dance for me by waving a 5-spot at them.
RCH,
not above humiliating crackheads for personal amusement
We don't have many crackheads here, we mostly have tweakers, and it's not a good idea to get that close to them in case they bite you. Plus they can't wash a window for shit.
You'll see.
We had tweakers near where I worked in Boston, scary as hell...
Also, we're told to not tip full service gas attendants here, there's signs that dictate it as well. I always feel like shit not doing it but...I can't force them to accept it either.
Also, I got a double-grat tonight. :) That pumps up the ol' tip average.
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's. Bess Eaton was better.
Ha! I used to work at a Bess Eaton when I was younger. I actually made decent money there, though the bible quotes on the cups drove me nuts.
Dimo tips like this:
$1.00 for every beer.
Whatever your coin change is at places like DD.
Smoke a joint with the pizza guy, if he is so inclined.
And Dimo can't afford 20%, so he doesn't eat out.
I hate Rhode Island and its lack of an economy.
Suu, what's the name of the place you work at? I may not have any money, but the GF does, and she tips well.
Quote from: dimo on November 13, 2009, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 12, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Also, you're not missing much with Tim Horton's. Bess Eaton was better.
Ha! I used to work at a Bess Eaton when I was younger. I actually made decent money there, though the bible quotes on the cups drove me nuts.
Dimo tips like this:
$1.00 for every beer.
Whatever your coin change is at places like DD.
Smoke a joint with the pizza guy, if he is so inclined.
And Dimo can't afford 20%, so he doesn't eat out.
this post made me smile, altho I hope pizza guy isnt in too bad a state to drive after a Dimo tip.
if you can't drive stoned, you've got no business being a pizza delivery driver in the first place.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:01:05 PM
if you can't drive stoned, you've got no business being a pizza delivery driver in the first place.
I'm not really clear on how alcohol + driving is one of the most stupidest things you can ever do, while you think weed + driving is apparently okay, a good thing or even a job requirement?
Because that's just retarded. And stupid. And most importantly, needlessly endangering others.
I don't care if "stoned drivers driver more slowly/careful" or whether you "can handle it just fine after you practiced driving stoned a few times" (the same is true for alcohol btw), the fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.
Just because it doesn't show up on (most) breathalyzer tests, so they can't probably fine you or take away your license for it, doesn't mean it's not terribly irresponsible.
I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.
also...
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2009, 04:09:43 PMthe fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.
:cn:
Driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol is a matter of personal responsibility. Some people (myself included) don't have a problem with it. If you're the type of person that can't handle driving when buzzed, then it's your responsibility to take a nap. I feel it's less about the drugs/alcohol and more about people lying to themselves or fooling themselves into thinking they can drive when they know that they can't handle it.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.
socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")
QuoteQuote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2009, 04:09:43 PMthe fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.
:cn:
What, are you serious??? :lol:
How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills :roll:
It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.
And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).
I think it depends on your experiences and what studies you decide to believe. The Anti-Drug groups seem to have lots of examples of how its terrible, others have argued that its not. Both have studies to support their side.
This is a fun video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zou4F00Ic (oddly this seems exactly like my personal experiences)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990325110700.htm <-- Not a factor say the Canucks
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/driving.htm <---- THE SKY IS FALLING
In reality, I've driven when I was a little stoned, but not ever when I felt blitzed. Sorta like I'll drive after 1 beer or 1 shot, but not if I actually drank any alcohol of substance.
I think that either of those drugs in small amounts may be fine... which is why we have a Blood Alcohol level, rather than 0 tolerance.
I hate to admit it, but the only car accident I've ever been in was while driving stoned.
I was sport of spaced out and looking at this park with kids playing and didn't notice the guy in front of me slowed waaaay down. I blame myself, but also the joint 10 min before getting in the car.
So I don't do THAT anymore.
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 16, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.
socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")
QuoteQuote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2009, 04:09:43 PMthe fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.
:cn:
What, are you serious??? :lol:
How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills :roll:
It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.
And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).
you want me to prove a negative?
:lol:
you should know better.
also, there is currently no possible way to determine "level of intoxication" when it comes to THC so I'd like to know how your legal system decided that.
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
sometimes I have places to be.
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
i disagree, back in the "stone-age" it was customary for the dealer to pack one with his customers not the other way round, some traditions shouldn't be changed :wink:
Quote from: fomenter on November 16, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
i disagree, back in the "stone-age" it was customary for the dealer to pack one with his customers not the other way round, some traditions shouldn't be changed :wink:
:lulz:
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.
TITCPSM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.
THIS
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.
Oh I don't think you *have* to... but I generally do it, I get some of the most interesting stories sitting around a dope house smoking down with some half crazy hippie. Or half crazy ex-military depending on which dealer I'm visiting.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 16, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 15, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.
socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")
QuoteQuote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2009, 04:09:43 PMthe fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.
:cn:
What, are you serious??? :lol:
How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills :roll:
It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.
And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).
you want me to prove a negative?
:lol:
you should know better.
No, try reading harder:
"you provide a citation that [says] it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills :roll:"
Means I'm implying that just about any random article you'd care to pick up on the subject of effects of THC will mention cognitive and psychomotor skills impairment. Probably because those are some of the easiest things to scientifically measure (with reaction tests etc).
So instead of providing you with a citation which you no doubt can find with a single google search for "effects of THC on the brain" or whatever, I'm just asking you to provide one citation of an article that says there are no such effects. Which is quite the opposite of proving a negative, it is asking you to DISprove a negative, something which is quite easy.
Quotealso, there is currently no possible way to determine "level of intoxication" when it comes to THC so I'd like to know how your legal system decided that.
Yes there fucking is. They use saliva:
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1914934.ece/Drugs_in_het_verkeer__te_lijf_met_speekseltest_.html
since you seem to be veeeeeery intent to believe what you set out on believing anyway, I doubt it is worth my while to find a translation, but this was my first google hit for "breath test THC" (in Dutch). It talks about how the Dutch police are using this thing near coffeeshops to catch people driving stoned.
yeah, but all it can determine is whether or not they're stoned, not HOW stoned they are.
I just googled every phrase I could think of that would be relevant and every article seems to corroborate what I just said.
in fact, it can't even determine if you;re currently stoned, just that you have used marijuana somewhat recently. So, if I smoked a joint yesterday, I should be able to be prosecuted for drugged driving because it showed up on a roadside breath test?
that sort of shit is fine for you Eurospags, but that's exactly the sort of thing my ancestors left the Netherlands to avoid.
well, that and the hideous wooden shoes.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 08:51:45 PM
in fact, it can't even determine if you;re currently stoned, just that you have used marijuana somewhat recently. So, if I smoked a joint yesterday, I should be able to be prosecuted for drugged driving because it showed up on a roadside breath test?
that sort of shit is fine for you Eurospags, but that's exactly the sort of thing my ancestors left the Netherlands to avoid.
well, that and the hideous wooden shoes.
Yeah, but think how easy a stash pocket would be in wooden shoes....
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Since they are a business owner and not an employee, and you're paying them for merchandise and not a service, no. However, it would be mannerly to give any sole proprietor you have a good ongoing relationship with a small, thoughtful holiday or birthday gift or card.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 16, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Since they are a business owner and not an employee, and you're paying them for merchandise and not a service, no. However, it would be mannerly to give any sole proprietor you have a good ongoing relationship with a small, thoughtful holiday or birthday gift or card.
:mittens:
You are full of win, Nigel
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 16, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Since they are a business owner and not an employee, and you're paying them for merchandise and not a service, no. However, it would be mannerly to give any sole proprietor you have a good ongoing relationship with a small, thoughtful holiday or birthday gift or card.
:mittens:
You are full of win, Nigel
:thanks:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 08:51:45 PM
in fact, it can't even determine if you;re currently stoned, just that you have used marijuana somewhat recently. So, if I smoked a joint yesterday, I should be able to be prosecuted for drugged driving because it showed up on a roadside breath test?
that sort of shit is fine for you Eurospags, but that's exactly the sort of thing my ancestors left the Netherlands to avoid.
well, that and the hideous wooden shoes.
Stay the fuck out of South Dakota.
Its called Possession by Consumption.
Makes sense, right? Especially since drug tests are 100% accurate.
Quote from: dimo on November 14, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
Suu, what's the name of the place you work at? I may not have any money, but the GF does, and she tips well.
3 Steeple Street.
I work Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday nights, and alternate Saturdays.
Quote from: Z³ on November 17, 2009, 01:44:46 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 16, 2009, 08:51:45 PM
in fact, it can't even determine if you;re currently stoned, just that you have used marijuana somewhat recently. So, if I smoked a joint yesterday, I should be able to be prosecuted for drugged driving because it showed up on a roadside breath test?
that sort of shit is fine for you Eurospags, but that's exactly the sort of thing my ancestors left the Netherlands to avoid.
well, that and the hideous wooden shoes.
Stay the fuck out of South Dakota.
Its called Possession by Consumption.
Makes sense, right? Especially since drug tests are 100% accurate.
:O
i am very lucky that in the UK you cannot be prosecuted for having drugs in your system (if your not driving)
I am never going to South Dakota, one strand of my hair would land me in prison.
you're not missing anything.
didn't figure i was yo. :lulz:
I wouldn't say I "miss" it...
LMNO
-Where'd I put my Feeding Tube©?
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 16, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Since they are a business owner and not an employee, and you're paying them for merchandise and not a service, no. However, it would be mannerly to give any sole proprietor you have a good ongoing relationship with a small, thoughtful holiday or birthday gift or card.
I gotta disagree on that one. your average weed dealer is no more a business owner than the coordinator at a tupperware party. A weed dealer is a redistributor for the person he gets his weed from. Yeah, it's an odd system since the lower dealer takes on the risk, but that's how black markets tend to work. He doesn't own the means of production, or enough distribution to really be an independent contractor. Although it depends on the level he's dealing at
Got in a deabte about this on revleft not too long ago actually.
And I'm with Rat, you are supposed to smoke a bowl with your dealer. Sometimes out of the weed you are buying prior to buying it, as a way to guarantee it is something you want to buy.
if your dealer doesn't make enough money to not need you to smoke some of your fairly expensive product with him that you just paid him for, he's not really a dealer.
I mean, it's one thing if he's your friend and you wanna hang out and blaze up but if it's strictly business, it's strictly business.
that said, if you are a regular customer and your dealer knows you're gonna burn him down when you buy a bag, he might not be as quick to short you as he would other customers when he finds himself in a situation that requires him to "make up ground", so to speak.
Hey, so... What about full-service gas stations? I personally think you should tip them but, in certain places it's illegal for you to pump your own gas, like in Jersey, for example. Would you tip them?
Quote from: dimo on November 21, 2009, 03:16:02 AM
Hey, so... What about full-service gas stations? I personally think you should tip them but, in certain places it's illegal for you to pump your own gas, like in Jersey, for example. Would you tip them?
I think we covered this several pages ago. The general consensus was that if you're in Jersey or Oregon, where you have no choice other than full-service, the answer is no.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on November 21, 2009, 12:55:36 AM
Got in a deabte about this on revleft not too long ago actually.
lol! revleft
ahhh you just brought back some memories of hilarious trollin'
here's one: taxi drivers?
I generally tip them a few bucks (unless I feel they've blatantly ripped me off) and when I find one I like, I'll tip him really well and ask for a business card so I can call him again directly. I used to get taxi rides on St. Thomas for about half of what the tourists paid due to this practice but I'm interested in what the rest of you have to say about it, especially those of you whose taxi experiences are more based in the mainland US.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 16, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on November 16, 2009, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: R W H N on November 16, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only. When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up. Why take chances?
So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.
Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).
My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.
Since they are a business owner and not an employee, and you're paying them for merchandise and not a service, no. However, it would be mannerly to give any sole proprietor you have a good ongoing relationship with a small, thoughtful holiday or birthday gift or card.
HA Thats sweet. My wife made ribs and cornbread and mashed potatoes for ours.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 22, 2009, 01:09:49 AM
here's one: taxi drivers?
I generally tip them a few bucks (unless I feel they've blatantly ripped me off) and when I find one I like, I'll tip him really well and ask for a business card so I can call him again directly. I used to get taxi rides on St. Thomas for about half of what the tourists paid due to this practice but I'm interested in what the rest of you have to say about it, especially those of you whose taxi experiences are more based in the mainland US.
I always tip a taxi driver, and try to keep with the same 20% rule.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 22, 2009, 01:09:49 AM
here's one: taxi drivers?
I generally tip them a few bucks (unless I feel they've blatantly ripped me off) and when I find one I like, I'll tip him really well and ask for a business card so I can call him again directly. I used to get taxi rides on St. Thomas for about half of what the tourists paid due to this practice but I'm interested in what the rest of you have to say about it, especially those of you whose taxi experiences are more based in the mainland US.
I try to do the 20% rule if he's not actively trying to stretch the trip out, and if they know their shit, I'll get their card for future use.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 21, 2009, 01:51:21 AM
if your dealer doesn't make enough money to not need you to smoke some of your fairly expensive product with him that you just paid him for, he's not really a dealer.
I mean, it's one thing if he's your friend and you wanna hang out and blaze up but if it's strictly business, it's strictly business.
that said, if you are a regular customer and your dealer knows you're gonna burn him down when you buy a bag, he might not be as quick to short you as he would other customers when he finds himself in a situation that requires him to "make up ground", so to speak.
Personally, I have never had a dealer expect you to smoke him up... but I find that my bags end up heavier :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on November 22, 2009, 01:09:49 AM
here's one: taxi drivers?
I generally tip them a few bucks (unless I feel they've blatantly ripped me off) and when I find one I like, I'll tip him really well and ask for a business card so I can call him again directly. I used to get taxi rides on St. Thomas for about half of what the tourists paid due to this practice but I'm interested in what the rest of you have to say about it, especially those of you whose taxi experiences are more based in the mainland US.
I try to do the 20% rule if he's not actively trying to stretch the trip out, and if they know their shit, I'll get their card for future use.
I've actually had drivers that have knocked off a buck or so because we got stuck at long lights. He always gets a good tip.
Not that I want to turn this into a "Should you tip when...." thread, but something that has been bugging me for a bit (at least the times it turns up), as you may or may not know some places, such as Applebee's and Uno's have a "car-side to go" service, where you order take-out, park in a certain spot when you get to the restaurant and they bring your food to the car. Usually I just try to go in to pick up my food since I'm not so lazy that I can't walk the ten-fifteen feet to the counter to pick up my food and again, I feel kinda stupid/lazy sitting in my car waiting for someone to bring me food. Also, to avoid this type of dilemma.
Do you tip these people? If I pay cash, I'll usually let them keep the change (assuming it's around $1) or if I pay credit card, I'll throw $1 tip on as well. On one hand, I don't feel like they're doing much more than if they just brought the food to the counter for me, and they usually do this automatically, rather than me requesting that they bring my food outside. On the other hand, I'd feel weird not tipping them because they're still doing slightly more than if I went in to get the food myself.
Needless to say, I usually just ask/tell them that I'll pick up the food inside myself, because holy hell, how lazy can you be?
Thoughts?
If you opt for curbside take out, I'd say 10% is fine, if even. They're usually part of the host staff and make at least minimum wage.
Cool. That's pretty much what I figured. I didn't think regular tipping standards would apply but I'd feel stupid/bad not giving anything since they are still doing something I could easily do myself. First time I ever got the curbside pick-up it was pouring out, so I felt read bad and gave the girl a few bucks. It was around when they started it. For the most part I try to go in, but when I don't I'll be sure to throw the host/ess that comes up a buck or 2 (our orders are usually between $10-20).
You also need to remember that even if you go inside, the host is still the one that took, packaged, garnished, and bagged your order in the middle of seating and taking names, getting yelled at by customers if they have to wait and getting yelled at by the waitstaff for a missed rotation or double seating. That couple bucks you give them makes their night go a little better if it's a rough one.
...I learned to hate being a hostess really fast. :x
Just stumbled across this site, and figured it was worth posting here.
30 Secrets Your Waiter Will Never Tell You
http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/30-secrets-your-waiter-will-never-tell-you/article169699.html (http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/30-secrets-your-waiter-will-never-tell-you/article169699.html)
Here's their 2 regarding tipping (hooray relevance!)
Quote20. If you walk out with the slip you wrote the tip on and leave behind the blank one, the server gets nothing. It happens all the time, especially with people who've had a few bottles of wine.
—Judi Santana
21. If you say, "Don't worry—I'm a really good tipper," that always means you aren't.
—Chris
Steve Dublanica, who is quoted there, has a very funny book worth reading.
Quote from: Da6s on December 01, 2009, 09:35:11 AM
Just stumbled across this site, and figured it was worth posting here.
30 Secrets Your Waiter Will Never Tell You
http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/30-secrets-your-waiter-will-never-tell-you/article169699.html (http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/30-secrets-your-waiter-will-never-tell-you/article169699.html)
Here's their 2 regarding tipping (hooray relevance!)
Quote20. If you walk out with the slip you wrote the tip on and leave behind the blank one, the server gets nothing. It happens all the time, especially with people who've had a few bottles of wine.
—Judi Santana
21. If you say, "Don't worry—I'm a really good tipper," that always means you aren't.
—Chris
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
2. I have no choice, I work holidays. Thats the biz.
3. I smoke, not when I have tables, but I smoke. Also I cant smoke when I have tables, where does this guy work? Dennies?
4. Bartenders get paid to make drinks. You order them, they make them, I dont care.
5. I get to taste the soup, a lot. Besides that, I usually just get bread. If I eat family meal (cook food), I risk being yelled at.
6. We just microwave the same soup, but this is one of those things that risks you forming some kind of personal vendetta w/ your server. I dont really indulge in those impulses, but some people do.
7. Depends on where you go. At my job they will kiss ass for customers, and only on one very special occasion can I think of something bad happening to (a very prominent self important ass) someones food.
8. This one doesn't really make sense to me, I mean... Its not in character with the sort of place I would want to work or eat, however I do know that places do this. For example, Wheatfields ( a local chain) opened up a store downtown, they dont have enough space down there so apparently they pre-cook a lot of food at another location, and microwave it. Seriously. Anybody who knows anything wont eat there, but I dont think thats a lot of people anymore.
9. Same sort of thing as above. Seriously, are people this gullible?
10. Yeah. I used to keep a bottle of Ipecac on me when I was a bartender, but thats a different story.
11. Sometimes they're just looking for a quick exit so they can stiff you without looking you in the eye.
12. I dont really care about this bullshit, I fill waters, and I dont listen to you unless the words you say correspond to things on the menu. Professionally Aloof. Thats what waiters need to learn, its not personal, just be a fucking robot and do it... and learn the menu/wine-list.
13. When I was a bartender, I knew that the house made a killing off of liquor profits so I'd be more apt to hook up people who tipped well, and the people who would ask to be hooked up annoyed the shit out of me because they invariably never tipped well (and thus never got hooked up, fucking idiots.) As a waiter I dont have a lot of control over this aspect of business, but some waiters do, most dont.
14. We're always listening. Dont have conversations in restaurants if you dont want to be overheard.
15. Some variation of this douchebaggery seems to occur frequently, where I work people seem to know the owner... and then they always ask where he is. HE'S DOWNSTAIRS GETTING DRUNK AND LOOKING AT PORN
16. I wish this would happen to me.
17. Open Table is sweet.
18. I don't use my name, and its actually against the rules at my job, and I hate it when people ask my name. I am a faceless fucking automaton here to answer questions about the menu, bring you your bread/drinks, drop off your food, clean up after you, and tell you to have a nice evening. Thats basically it. We don't have a personal relationship.
19. I dont know, I mean, I might light something on fire.
20. I think people who do this do it on purpose, and if I ever see you on the street...
21. I dont believe anything you say.
22. I work at a french restaurant.
23. Depends on where you go, but yeah, a lot of places do this. Not nice places, like you can afford to eat at nice places.
24. Send it back right away, this is truth. Actually, if you're at a really shitty place, they'll probably get pissed and either fuck with your food or otherwise be bitches about it... and nice places they remake your food, they dont fuck with it, and they want you to come back. The big thing, no matter where you are, is how soon you catch it. If you realize they seriously fucked up your food, dont eat any more of it than you have to... wait until you get a chance, tell your waiter, or his boss, and show how they fucked up your food. If you eat it, you obviously wont get any comp.
Scammers are more common at the lower end, but food gets fucked up everywhere. Its not necessarily a big deal.
25. People drink smoothies?
26. This one seems really anal to me. If you're worried about people touching the things you eat/drink, why are you eating in a restaurant? I mean, I know that germs exist, and I even wash my hands... but... wow.
27. Good owners probably wont be around for you to talk to, thats why they hire managers... so they dont have to micromanage everything. None the less, you'd be fucking surprised how many people actively seek out comp even when nothing is wrong. Here is a tip, if you're going to tell them its inedible DONT EAT IT, THATS A CONTRA FUCKING DICTION, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. If you're food is fucked up, it will probably get fixed (almost anywhere), unless you're an asshole about it... in which case it it will get fixed, and nuts rubbed on it possibly.
28. Dont go out to eat, Bob Saget.
29. Idk, is my waiting experience going to get me any kind of good non-food-slave job? Probably not.
30. Aww, thats nice.
possible double post, I was just going to Edit/Correct teh part where i said "You are food" but now I think this is funny.
BRAAAINS.
Anthony --what's his last name...the guy who eats all that gross food.... was on the travel channel last night eating blowfish and something occurred to me...
I was thinking that if someone in the restaurant was qualified to serve blowfish, NOBODY will fuck with the staff. But what is it, like 12 people in the country are certified to serve blowfish?
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
You
are
an
idiot.
The damming of rivers is what has caused the depopulation of wild salmon- this is WELL fucking known and documented by everyone who works in salmon conservation. "Overfishing" is the cover story The Machine tells us to avoid having to actually do anything about it. And you, having bought the cover story and not bothered to think about it or do any research, are spreading the bullshit one tiny ripple further. AND you have the gall to call it "the Truth" as if you fucking know anything Fox news didn't tell you.
The thing about people with food allergies asking with each new dish irritated me because my best friend has a food allergy, and she does ask about every dish simply because if the chef or the server makes a mistake or forgets one time, IT WILL KILL HER. She once didn't think to ask about a "peanut" dish in the cafeteria at work because she assumed it was actually made with peanuts, but it turned out to be mixed chopped nuts and she went into anaphylactic shock in the cafeteria and had to spend the rest of the day in the ER. She's just damn lucky she works in a hospital, so she was already there when it happened. It's a little thing worth double-checking about.
Also, farm salmon is gross. It has a strange texture and tastes odd.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
You
are
an
idiot.
The damming of rivers is what has caused the depopulation of wild salmon- this is WELL fucking known and documented by everyone who works in salmon conservation. "Overfishing" is the cover story The Machine tells us to avoid having to actually do anything about it. And you, having bought the cover story and not bothered to think about it or do any research, are spreading the bullshit one tiny ripple further. AND you have the gall to call it "the Truth" as if you fucking know anything Fox news didn't tell you.
Wow that's harsh. I mean I may be wrong, but do you have to be a condescending ass about it?
Oh, and you cant really get anything but farm salmon here in Nebraska.
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
You
are
an
idiot.
The damming of rivers is what has caused the depopulation of wild salmon- this is WELL fucking known and documented by everyone who works in salmon conservation. "Overfishing" is the cover story The Machine tells us to avoid having to actually do anything about it. And you, having bought the cover story and not bothered to think about it or do any research, are spreading the bullshit one tiny ripple further. AND you have the gall to call it "the Truth" as if you fucking know anything Fox news didn't tell you.
Wow that's harsh. I mean I may be wrong, but do you have to be a condescending ass about it?
Oh, and you cant really get anything but farm salmon here in Nebraska.
Maybe it was your condescending ass behavior that brought it on ("dick").
Naw. Everyone's unreasonable but you.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
You
are
an
idiot.
The damming of rivers is what has caused the depopulation of wild salmon- this is WELL fucking known and documented by everyone who works in salmon conservation. "Overfishing" is the cover story The Machine tells us to avoid having to actually do anything about it. And you, having bought the cover story and not bothered to think about it or do any research, are spreading the bullshit one tiny ripple further. AND you have the gall to call it "the Truth" as if you fucking know anything Fox news didn't tell you.
Wow that's harsh. I mean I may be wrong, but do you have to be a condescending ass about it?
Oh, and you cant really get anything but farm salmon here in Nebraska.
Maybe it was your condescending ass behavior that brought it on ("dick").
Naw. Everyone's unreasonable but you.
Do you speak a language other than hostility?
If I'm wrong, which there is a good possibility of, I dont mind this being pointed out to me.
I do get sick of being dog-piled for tiny errors, Its the red-assed Baboon behavior that gets old pretty fast.
Also, its contrary to any sort of productivity. IF somebody is genuninely wrong, IE me, and you respond instantly with naked hostility... this will NOT change my opinion one iota, that sort of aggression is never going to change anybodies point of view, its just going to switch on fight or flight instincts and lock the brain down hardcore.
woah there.
first of all, dude lives in Nebraska so dams aren't really something in the public eye and forefront of fishery conversation.
second of all, really? that much vitriol over some potential salmon misinformation?
also, it's absolutely true that outside of the PNW and the handful of major culinary destination cities in the US (Chicago, LA, NYC, Boston, the other Portland, DC) most of the time when you order "wild" salmon, what you're getting is almost certainly not wild salmon. Most of it comes from Scotland or Norway, is farm-raised, mis-labeled "organic", and is pawned off on unsuspecting customers at insanely inflated prices.
also also, I happen to know for a fact that Z3 doesn't take Fox News any more seriously than the rest of us.
ETA: Not that Z3 can't speak for himself or present his own defense perfectly well, but dude is my friend IRL so I'm gonna speak up if I think he's getting unfairly piled on.
I'd do the same for you, Nigel.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
The thing about people with food allergies asking with each new dish irritated me because my best friend has a food allergy, and she does ask about every dish simply because if the chef or the server makes a mistake or forgets one time, IT WILL KILL HER. She once didn't think to ask about a "peanut" dish in the cafeteria at work because she assumed it was actually made with peanuts, but it turned out to be mixed chopped nuts and she went into anaphylactic shock in the cafeteria and had to spend the rest of the day in the ER. She's just damn lucky she works in a hospital, so she was already there when it happened. It's a little thing worth double-checking about.
I'l get called a dick for this, I'm sure, but the reality is (and almost every chef I've ever know agrees with me on this point) that if you have a potentially deadly food allergy YOU SHOULD NOT BE EATING IN A RESTAURANT.
I got people all the time who were deadly allergic to shellfish, and wanted to know what was safe for them to eat.
In a seafood restaurant.
with a non-compartmentalized kitchen.
that specializes in lobster and local shellfish.
I always told them that they were more than welcome to bring their own food and eat at the table and have drinks and have a good time with their friends but FOR FUCK'S SAKE DON'T MAKE ME RESPONSIBLE FOR POSSIBLY ENDING YOUR LIFE OVER A MISPLACED PARTICLE OF CLAM YOU FUCKING ASSGOBBLERS.
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
You
are
an
idiot.
The damming of rivers is what has caused the depopulation of wild salmon- this is WELL fucking known and documented by everyone who works in salmon conservation. "Overfishing" is the cover story The Machine tells us to avoid having to actually do anything about it. And you, having bought the cover story and not bothered to think about it or do any research, are spreading the bullshit one tiny ripple further. AND you have the gall to call it "the Truth" as if you fucking know anything Fox news didn't tell you.
Wow that's harsh. I mean I may be wrong, but do you have to be a condescending ass about it?
Oh, and you cant really get anything but farm salmon here in Nebraska.
:lulz: Do
you?Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
1: I tell people the truth. You're ok with any kind of steak, the fish is ok too, but if you're the kind of asshole that only eats wild salmon you're contributing to the depopulation of wild salmon, and you've probably never eaten wild salmon anyway (dick).
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 01, 2009, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
The thing about people with food allergies asking with each new dish irritated me because my best friend has a food allergy, and she does ask about every dish simply because if the chef or the server makes a mistake or forgets one time, IT WILL KILL HER. She once didn't think to ask about a "peanut" dish in the cafeteria at work because she assumed it was actually made with peanuts, but it turned out to be mixed chopped nuts and she went into anaphylactic shock in the cafeteria and had to spend the rest of the day in the ER. She's just damn lucky she works in a hospital, so she was already there when it happened. It's a little thing worth double-checking about.
I'l get called a dick for this, I'm sure, but the reality is (and almost every chef I've ever know agrees with me on this point) that if you have a potentially deadly food allergy YOU SHOULD NOT BE EATING IN A RESTAURANT.
I got people all the time who were deadly allergic to shellfish, and wanted to know what was safe for them to eat.
In a seafood restaurant.
with a non-compartmentalized kitchen.
that specializes in lobster and local shellfish.
I always told them that they were more than welcome to bring their own food and eat at the table and have drinks and have a good time with their friends but FOR FUCK'S SAKE DON'T MAKE ME RESPONSIBLE FOR POSSIBLY ENDING YOUR LIFE OVER A MISPLACED PARTICLE OF CLAM YOU FUCKING ASSGOBBLERS.
That does seem completely retarded.
In my friend's case, she is taking a risk, sure, but for the most part pecans and walnuts are rarely-used enough that there are a lot of places she can safely eat. We go out to sushi a lot, and Thai. The dish she ordered was a Thai "peanut" dish and it didn't even occur to her that they might call chopped mixed nuts "peanuts".
I have another friend who is unfortunately very allergic to onion protein. I'm so, so glad I'm not her! That would kill me.
man, I would pretty much starve to death if I were allergic to onions.
Quote from: Z³ on December 01, 2009, 10:28:26 PM
Do you speak a language other than hostility?
Um.
I used to know some Latin, but I forgot it years ago.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 01, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
ETA: Not that Z3 can't speak for himself or present his own defense perfectly well, but dude is my friend IRL so I'm gonna speak up if I think he's getting unfairly piled on.
Wait.
Z3 isn't Zurtok?
Whoopsie. :lulz:
TGRR,
Body is my face red. :oops:
:lulz:
no, I wouldn't be friends with that racist piece of shit if he paid me.
Quote from: articleStudies indicate that waiters can boost their tips by:
• lightly touching the customer
Uh, no, that would probably get you a lower tip.
Sure the waiter may be a nice person, but I don't know them, there is no reason for them to be touching me at all.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 02, 2009, 03:30:52 AM
man, I would pretty much starve to death if I were allergic to onions.
Me too. They're not just a seasoning or a vegetable; they're a way of life.
Whole Foods is in Nebraska, and they carry wild salmon. They have these things these days called "Freezers", they're amazing, they allow you to ship perishables all over the world.
Did you really just recommend frozen fish?
I'd suggest that he look into local, native species like Bluegills, Rock Bass, Sunfish, and Perch.
Quote from: Rumckle on December 02, 2009, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: articleStudies indicate that waiters can boost their tips by:
• lightly touching the customer
Uh, no, that would probably get you a lower tip.
Sure the waiter may be a nice person, but I don't know them, there is no reason for them to be touching me at all.
Yea, I probably wouldn't give a lower tip based on that alone, but I wouldn't give a higher tip based on that either. I get that it's supposed to inspire some kind of personal connection, but it'd probably just inspire a "why the fuck is this person touching me" feeling. Of course, it would be a little different if I was a regular somewhere and it was a waiter/waitress I was fairly acquainted with
It would also be really different if she had big tits.
LMNO
-not above some obvious sexism.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 01, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
The thing about people with food allergies asking with each new dish irritated me because my best friend has a food allergy, and she does ask about every dish simply because if the chef or the server makes a mistake or forgets one time, IT WILL KILL HER. She once didn't think to ask about a "peanut" dish in the cafeteria at work because she assumed it was actually made with peanuts, but it turned out to be mixed chopped nuts and she went into anaphylactic shock in the cafeteria and had to spend the rest of the day in the ER. She's just damn lucky she works in a hospital, so she was already there when it happened. It's a little thing worth double-checking about.
I take food allergies very seriously as a server since I suffer from them myself. When people ask me to hold something on an entree, I ALWAYS ask if it's an allergy because if so, the chef needs to be aware so he can go about preparing the food in a different location with different tools away from the allergen. Plus, it gives the customer a peace of mind knowing that I took that extra step, allergy or no.
Quote from: Rumckle on December 02, 2009, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: articleStudies indicate that waiters can boost their tips by:
• lightly touching the customer
Uh, no, that would probably get you a lower tip.
Sure the waiter may be a nice person, but I don't know them, there is no reason for them to be touching me at all.
WTF? HELL NO. DO NOT TOUCH EVER. EVER. EVER. I do accidentally brush tables sometimes, but I work in a small place. Just say your sorry, they're usually cool with it, and move on. That's it. No intentional touching EVAR.
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2009, 01:46:42 PM
Did you really just recommend frozen fish?
I'd suggest that he look into local, native species like Bluegills, Rock Bass, Sunfish, and Perch.
:lulz:
If you think the "fresh" fish you buy in the store hasn't been frozen, you're woefully ignorant. Even local species, often right on the boat. And frankly, the fact that it's frozen almost as soon as it's caught it what keeps it so fresh and tasty, not to mention pleasantly parasite-free. Unless you actually live in a fishing town, the odds that you're getting fish that's never been frozen anywhere are incredibly low. Hell, even in a fishing town. Fish destined for sushi is ALWAYS frozen on the boat.
Have you ever carved up a fresh-caught salmon? Until your firsthand vision of roundworms wriggling through the flesh of your never-been-frozen wild salmon, you may not fully appreciate the joy of freezing your catch.
Before we play the game of "what makes you think you know what I've done", can we just agree that local is better than imported in terms of quality?
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2009, 08:00:40 PM
Before we play the game of "what makes you think you know what I've done", can we just agree that local is better than imported in terms of quality?
Sure. Well, much of the time... ship-frozen Pacific salmon from Alaska is going to taste pretty much exactly the same whether you eat it in Alaska or Nebraska.
I'm just sick of your seemingly unending game of "I know food better than you do". Fuck, dude. Give it up already. :lulz:
It takes two to do the pretention tago, you know...
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
It takes two to do the pretention tago, you know...
Do I ever initiate this bullshit with you? Maybe you enjoy trying to start shit with me, but I don't enjoy it, whether it's criticizing my recipes or jumping in with a snide comment when I'm talking to someone else.
Now you know.
Well, I looked into it a little bit yesterday.
1. Overfishing isn't the root cause of Salmon depopulation, it may be a contributing factor, but it seems Dams are the root cause. I learned something.
2. There aren't very many places that serve wild salmon here, I can think of one. They also may be the only place that carries Wagyu beef.
3. The people that irritate me because they refuse to eat anything but the wild salmon still irritate me, because they're rich white people... and maybe its just my ignorant upbringing, but I'm not the biggest fan of rich white people. Thats probably an example of my job turning me racist, maybe there are cool rich white people, but when I work sunday brunch on two hours of sleep, I cant help but be a little irritated by the rich white people that I have to deal with.
These are the same people who try to special order everything, and threaten to leave when we dont put sun-dried tomatoes on their omelette. We dont have sun dried tomatoes, and no matter how much you're friends with the owner, that will never change.
Also, the big local fish here is walleye. Walleye
I am neither rich nor white, and I won't eat farmed salmon because it's gross. I'm one of those assholes who'll only eat wild salmon (a dick).
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 03, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
I am neither rich nor white, and I won't eat farmed salmon because it's gross. I'm one of those assholes who'll only eat wild salmon (a dick).
Well, I'm sorry that I may have insulted you. It wasn't my intention, and the next time I make it out to the coast, I'll eat some wild salmon and make up my own mind based off of the virtue of personal experience.
perhaps this can be chalked up to the vast cultural and culinary differences between PDX and Omaha?
Quote from: Z³ on December 03, 2009, 12:14:49 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 03, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
I am neither rich nor white, and I won't eat farmed salmon because it's gross. I'm one of those assholes who'll only eat wild salmon (a dick).
Well, I'm sorry that I may have insulted you. It wasn't my intention, and the next time I make it out to the coast, I'll eat some wild salmon and make up my own mind based off of the virtue of personal experience.
You could just go get some at Whole Foods. It's not going to be all that expensive and it's the same stuff we have out here... ie from Alaska. Excepting the Warm Springs salmon they sell at Fred Meyer during spawning, that shit's good and damn cheap. Or if you come eat at my friend John's house, he likes to go salmon fishing once or twice a year.
Anyway, consider the hatchet buried.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 03, 2009, 12:16:13 AM
perhaps this can be chalked up to the vast cultural and culinary differences between PDX and Omaha?
It is possible.
I had to look up "Walleye" because I did not know what they are, and I read that they are delicious.
Walleye is very yummy, esp fresh... Salmon is yummy fresh, Bass is yummy fresh, Bluegill is yummy fresh, catfish, panfish, crapie, sunfish, and even carp are yummy fresh (just gotta be careful when cleaning the carp and catfish).
In fact, I think I've enjoyed pretty much every kind of fresh fish that I've had... frozen fish is sometimes good and sometimes bad though.
I need to try fresh tilapia--I've heard it's so much better than frozen it's amazing. Because frozen tilapia is ass.
Quote from: Jenne on December 09, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
I need to try fresh tilapia--I've heard it's so much better than frozen it's amazing. Because frozen tilapia is ass.
Correct Motorcycle Jenne!
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 09, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: Jenne on December 09, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
I need to try fresh tilapia--I've heard it's so much better than frozen it's amazing. Because frozen tilapia is ass.
Correct Motorcycle Jenne!
VROOM VROOM! :mrgreen:
Frozen fish in general is crap. I never had a package where I didn't end up munching on bones and losing my apetite. Unless you're supposed to eat the bones?
I have had some frozen that's ok. But really, in San Diego, it's a crime, quite literally, to NOT buy fresh. Fr rls.
some darker-fleshed fish stand up to IQF freezing quite well (the odds that you've ever eaten fresh tuna are astronomical), but it doesn't do anything for more delicate white-fleshed fish.
fish that take IQF well: Tuna, Swordfish, Bonito, Mahi-mahi, Barramundi, Kingfish, Shark (which is much of the "swordfish" that's commercially available).
I gotta disagree with Rat, though. Catfish is fucking nasty no mater what. Fresh-water bottom feeders FTL.
I've had good fresh catfish in Missouri. Melted in my mouth, actually, after my great-grandmother fried the shit out of it along with hushpuppies and green tomatoes.
As for the fresh tuna, have had in Kauai.
Catfish needs to be done RIGHT.
Catfish done right if wonderful. Catfish done wrong is inedible.
I learned catfishing from my Great Grandpa, Grandpa and Dad who ran a trot line regularly. I remember watching them haul fish off the line. Dad would grab them, making sure to miss the horns, flip them to grandpa. Grandpa put a nail through their head into the wood post, sliced around the neck, grabbed the skin with these weird rounded pliars and pulled the whole skin off.
Then Grandma would take the meat, cut the mud line and then deep fry the filets... BAM!
SO FUCKING GOOD!
blech. they eat poop, and they don't even have any salt in them to cover up the poop flavor.
at best, they taste like mud.
TBH, I'm not much of a fan of freshwater fish in general, though there are some exceptions (bluegill, sunfish, walleye, and fresh cut-throat trout are pretty good). And freshwater bottom-feeders are just gross.
though I do make a major exception for crawfish, which are one of the most delicious things on earth.
that said, your catfish tasting like poop is not the waiter's fault, so don't let that be an excuse to tip them poorly.
it is if she pooped on it
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 10, 2009, 03:49:50 AM
it is if she pooped on it
Who, Suu? Wouldn't put it past her. She has a shifty look about her.
I have yet to poop on our catfish at work. We have an exemplary catfish dish.
Quote from: Suu on December 10, 2009, 03:53:06 AM
I have yet to poop on our catfish at work. We have an exemplary catfish dish.
This is a contradiction in terms, unless the standard for "exemplary" means "no added poop".
Seriously, catfish is for mad dogs and
Englishmen Cajuns.
Our catfish is encrusted with cornmeal and pecans, pan fried, and served with our rippin' banana pepper aioli and bourbon mashed sweet potatoes and the veggie of the night. Seriously. It's awesome.
Quote from: Suu on December 10, 2009, 04:21:18 AM
Our catfish is encrusted with cornmeal and pecans, pan fried, and served with our rippin' banana pepper aioli and bourbon mashed sweet potatoes and the veggie of the night. Seriously. It's awesome.
Wow.
Quote from: Suu on December 10, 2009, 04:21:18 AM
Our catfish is encrusted with cornmeal and pecans, pan fried, and served with our rippin' banana pepper aioli and bourbon mashed sweet potatoes and the veggie of the night. Seriously. It's awesome.
all of that sounds great except the part where it contains catfish.
RCH,
totally stealing the part about adding pecans to the cornmeal crust of pan-fried fish
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Frozen fish in general is crap. I never had a package where I didn't end up munching on bones and losing my apetite. Unless you're supposed to eat the bones?
Are you talking about fish sticks? Because, gross.
Also I agree with ECH and TGRR about catfish. Tastes like mud. Can't stand sturgeon either.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Frozen fish in general is crap. I never had a package where I didn't end up munching on bones and losing my apetite. Unless you're supposed to eat the bones?
Are you talking about fish sticks? Because, gross.
No, not fish sticks. Frozen fish filets.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:47:12 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Frozen fish in general is crap. I never had a package where I didn't end up munching on bones and losing my apetite. Unless you're supposed to eat the bones?
Are you talking about fish sticks? Because, gross.
No, not fish sticks. Frozen fish filets.
I've never eaten any fish at all without expecting to encounter a few bones, so... :?
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 05:51:39 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 10, 2009, 05:47:12 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 09, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Frozen fish in general is crap. I never had a package where I didn't end up munching on bones and losing my apetite. Unless you're supposed to eat the bones?
Are you talking about fish sticks? Because, gross.
No, not fish sticks. Frozen fish filets.
I've never eaten any fish at all without expecting to encounter a few bones, so... :?
Until recently, my job had a dish where servers had to fillet a sole tableside. I'd always warn people to watch out for the stray bones, and I thought I was pretty good at it.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 05:33:38 AM
Also I agree with ECH and TGRR about catfish. Tastes like mud. Can't stand sturgeon either.
I used to be able to enjoy catfish just fine, then I read ECH's point about catfish being mudpoop fish. The next time I had catfish, I was like, "Hey... it DOES taste kinda muddy."
Of course, it was poorly prepared to begin with, so I'll almost definitely try it again at leas once.