Or the Junk Shot...or whatever the fuck ELSE BP can come up with. I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
UUUUUGGGGH!!!!!
The Gulf of Mexico is fucking ruined for years, and it's only a matter of time before it spreads into the current and we see it up here. :argh!:
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
Fuckers.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Quote from: Vene on May 30, 2010, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
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Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 30, 2010, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
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Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Excuse me?
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
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Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Excuse me?
Since you didn't bother to even try to explain yourself I will just assume you are a mindless bigot.
Um. I think he IS Mexican...
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 30, 2010, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
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Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Excuse me?
Since you didn't bother to even try to explain yourself I will just assume you are a mindless bigot.
Sorry, I wasn't online. I think it could be interpreted that way. My bad, I didn't made the context clear... I'm Mexican, I'm concerned about the eventual damage the oil spill will do to all those people that live in the Gulf coast, I have family whose life depends on the health of those coasts.
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 30, 2010, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Excuse me?
Since you didn't bother to even try to explain yourself I will just assume you are a mindless bigot.
Sorry, I wasn't online. I think it could be interpreted that way. My bad, I didn't made the context clear... I'm Mexican, I'm concerned about the eventual damage the oil spill will do to all those people that live in the Gulf coast, I have family whose life depends on the health of those coasts.
My apologies.
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ikelos on May 30, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
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Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
I'm NEVER buying gas from them again, or Exxon/Mobil.
You won't need to. Just head down the beach with a bucket. Quit complaining :evil:
In the United States, our cars run on refined gasoline, not crude oil and fish batter like they do in the UK. :argh!:
Crude oil and fish batter sounds more like something we would eat.
Or something Mexicans will eat once the spill reaches our coasts
Excuse me?
Since you didn't bother to even try to explain yourself I will just assume you are a mindless bigot.
Sorry, I wasn't online. I think it could be interpreted that way. My bad, I didn't made the context clear... I'm Mexican, I'm concerned about the eventual damage the oil spill will do to all those people that live in the Gulf coast, I have family whose life depends on the health of those coasts.
My apologies.
It's OK... rereading my post... I would probably had answered something similar. :oops:
Quote from: Suu on May 30, 2010, 07:01:18 PM
Um. I think he IS Mexican...
Oops. You know my I Hate Bigots bone is close to the surface.
I'm pretty pissed here.
I went to the coast yesterday for the brewery and asked how things were going out there. A guy who loves to fish or something said you can smell it. I guess that stuff reeks like strong diesel or something.
Gross. Thanks BP, I guess the Apalachicola oysters aren't long for this world, nor are the Gulf shrimp :(
There's also word of an underwater "plume" of oil. Meaning, the chemical dispersants they used on the surface turned the crude into tiny little droplets, then the shit sank and regrouped into a sort of underwater cloud of oil.
The fish, dolphins, whale sharks and everything else that swims into this shit are now breathing it in since it's small enough to go through their gills now.
LOVELY!!
You know how long it takes to replenish an oyster bed after this kind of shit? 'Bout 20 years.
Yeah.
It really is disgusting.
The gulf already reeked of rotten eggs. Now this???
Suu, tell your parents to gtfo. Their paradise is ruined.
The chemical "dispersants" were so clearly a terrible idea.
This is being mismanaged so blatantly, with so many people screaming "OMG, no, stop!" that it's almost hard to believe it isn't some kind of conspiracy. But then, I guess I'd have to ask why.
The truth is much scarier than any conspiracy: Humans are in charge :horrormirth:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 08:21:28 PM
The truth is much scarier than any conspiracy: Humans are in charge :horrormirth:
Baby Jesus is crying.
BP wants to save the well
Everyone else wants them to kill it, you know, to get it to stop gushing
Nobody is doing anything to force BP to kill it immediately
I would say hilarity ensues, but it's not fucking funny.
Also, hurricane season starts this Tuesday and since el nino is out of the way it's predicted to be one of the most active seasons in quite some time. They're predicting some 26 named storms, or so? And with the conditions being the way they are, I'm kind of inclined to believe it.
Could you imagine what this would do? Keep in mind that storm surges push gulf water inland how far???
Mmmmmm, black lands.
PIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS!
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on May 30, 2010, 08:40:11 PM
BP wants to save the well
Everyone else wants them to kill it, you know, to get it to stop gushing
Nobody is doing anything to force BP to kill it immediately
I would say hilarity ensues, but it's not fucking funny.
Also, hurricane season starts this Tuesday and since el nino is out of the way it's predicted to be one of the most active seasons in quite some time. They're predicting some 26 named storms, or so? And with the conditions being the way they are, I'm kind of inclined to believe it.
Could you imagine what this would do? Keep in mind that storm surges push gulf water inland how far???
Mmmmmm, black lands.
PIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS!
Why are you acting surprised?
Look on the bright side - the world will run out of petrolium that little bit quicker now
You think a tweaking meth-head is fucked up just wait'll you see an entire civilisation going cold turkey!
:popcorn:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
Look on the bright side - the world will run out of petrolium that little bit quicker now
You think a tweaking meth-head is fucked up just wait'll you see an entire civilisation going cold turkey!
:popcorn:
Damn. I will have to convert my Jeep to Natural Gas.
You do realise that the entire vehicle is made out of oil, right? :evil:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2010, 08:57:39 PM
You do realise that the entire vehicle is made out of oil, right? :evil:
Synthetics my good man.
Hawk,
NOT giving up on 4 wheeling!
The asphalt, the tires, the steering wheel, the break lines, everything comes from oil. Anything made of plastic or rubber used to be oil. We can withstand losing oil for energy, there are alternatives, maybe not cheap or easy ones, but alternatives.
But good luck driving without any rubber.
Asphalt??? In a Jeep???
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 09:12:41 PM
Asphalt??? In a Jeep???
Well, not in it, but on the roads.
Here is my idea of a road.
http://www.flinthillsjeepclub.com/albums/ORV_Nov08/pages/Nov08_02_jpg.htm
We're pretty spolied out here, our roads look like this: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/4030040847_470957f856.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/upthebanner/4030040847/&usg=__TfNV9fkFbQyHpG3IfUuwGfMxDV4=&h=294&w=500&sz=127&hl=en&start=1&itbs=1&tbnid=XEe_s7Qzqi_86M:&tbnh=76&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddesert%2Bdirt%2Broads%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1
Except for when they full of ruts and go up mesas and shit.
Quote from: Hawk on May 30, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on May 30, 2010, 08:40:11 PM
BP wants to save the well
Everyone else wants them to kill it, you know, to get it to stop gushing
Nobody is doing anything to force BP to kill it immediately
I would say hilarity ensues, but it's not fucking funny.
Also, hurricane season starts this Tuesday and since el nino is out of the way it's predicted to be one of the most active seasons in quite some time. They're predicting some 26 named storms, or so? And with the conditions being the way they are, I'm kind of inclined to believe it.
Could you imagine what this would do? Keep in mind that storm surges push gulf water inland how far???
Mmmmmm, black lands.
PIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS!
Why are you acting surprised?
I'm so not surprised. I'm pissed. PISSED I tell ya!
I was watching an update on the story this morning on the Today show. They were interviewing the CEO of BP commenting on the next attempt to stop the leak and that he was just as anxious as everyone else to get the leak stopped so "I can get my life back", he says.
His mess is killing all sorts of wildlife, putting all kinds of fisherman out of work, putting all kinds of families in financial turmoil and he wants to get it fixed so he can get HIS life back.
Fucking douchebag of douchebags.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on May 30, 2010, 07:54:20 PM
The gulf already reeked of rotten eggs. Now this???
Suu, tell your parents to gtfo. Their paradise is ruined.
My mom is actually about to hop a bus to Louisiana to help with cleanup, and my brother is about to get a sub-machine and head to BP HQ. This could ruin his fishing career for years.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 31, 2010, 01:08:34 PM
I was watching an update on the story this morning on the Today show. They were interviewing the CEO of BP commenting on the next attempt to stop the leak and that he was just as anxious as everyone else to get the leak stopped so "I can get my life back", he says.
His mess is killing all sorts of wildlife, putting all kinds of fisherman out of work, putting all kinds of families in financial turmoil and he wants to get it fixed so he can get HIS life back.
Fucking douchebag of douchebags.
I smell a lawsuit. You don't say shit like that.
Quote from: Suu on May 31, 2010, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 31, 2010, 01:08:34 PM
I was watching an update on the story this morning on the Today show. They were interviewing the CEO of BP commenting on the next attempt to stop the leak and that he was just as anxious as everyone else to get the leak stopped so "I can get my life back", he says.
His mess is killing all sorts of wildlife, putting all kinds of fisherman out of work, putting all kinds of families in financial turmoil and he wants to get it fixed so he can get HIS life back.
Fucking douchebag of douchebags.
I smell a lawsuit. You don't say shit like that.
I want his company ruined. Let him live in poverty for a while. God I fucking hate humans.
I am disgusted and outraged.
In a torches and pitchforks angry mob kinda way.
Quote from: Kai on May 31, 2010, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: Suu on May 31, 2010, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 31, 2010, 01:08:34 PM
I was watching an update on the story this morning on the Today show. They were interviewing the CEO of BP commenting on the next attempt to stop the leak and that he was just as anxious as everyone else to get the leak stopped so "I can get my life back", he says.
His mess is killing all sorts of wildlife, putting all kinds of fisherman out of work, putting all kinds of families in financial turmoil and he wants to get it fixed so he can get HIS life back.
Fucking douchebag of douchebags.
I smell a lawsuit. You don't say shit like that.
I want his company ruined. Let him live in poverty for a while. God I fucking hate humans.
Even if BP is shut down over this, the execs will all get golden parachutes.
Latest news: They're going to send robots down. How long before the plan involves time travel or tiny black holes? :|
also, NINJAS.
imagine the surface oil getting picked up by a hurricane and then igniting at some point.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on May 31, 2010, 09:52:11 PM
imagine the surface oil getting picked up by a hurricane and then igniting at some point.
That would make for a Biblical firestorm. And get rid of the oil too.
What they need to do is drop the entire city of Houston on the leak.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on May 31, 2010, 09:52:11 PM
imagine the surface oil getting picked up by a hurricane and then igniting at some point.
As long as it primarily hit Houston that would be perfect.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 31, 2010, 09:45:29 PM
Latest news: They're going to send robots down. How long before the plan involves time travel or tiny black holes? :|
Lol, Large Hadron Collider deployment...
God this whole thing went from bad, to worse, to even worse, and there's no real end in sight. Ridiculous and dangerous bullshit that we're all going to have to pay for, it's just going to be one of those situations where we all lose. Maybe they can just use some underwater hydrogen bombs and we can have a morning of national finger crossing?
:nuke:
Their trying to convince the government that the best way to fix this is... more drilling!
Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 01, 2010, 02:31:40 AM
Their trying to convince the government that the best way to fix this is... more drilling!
:aaa: WHY? Because if they hurry up they can finish all the oil in the Gulf before it does more enviromental damage?
:argh!:
The only thing that worked before was to drill relief wells.
This releases the pressure of the well and stops the gusher. It also pretty much kills the well and makes it useless so it of course is their last resort.
Transatlantic got $270 million in insurance from this already. They also strong armed the employees on the rig to not sue...
You know, here ya go--
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19408
If you're not mad yet, you suck.
Look, this is really simple.
Richter, me, and two deep diving suits with openable asses for crapping. Feed us a pound of chicken vindaloo each, and toss us over the side.
Problem solved. Please send the PO to the First Bank of the Terrible Marching Powder in Medellin, Columbia.
CAN WE PLLEEAAAASE USE THE NUKES NOW!?
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(http://www.democraticunderground.com/bob/02/55_cheney.jpg)
I know this is an unpopular thing to point out, and I'm certainly not saying the oil spill is a GOOD thing, or that I don't want to go to BP corporate HQ and give every living motherfucker in that place an hourlong bastinado session, but this is probably not going to be the doomsday scenario that is so popular to espouse. If you want an idea of how much oil the Gulf can handle (and, indeed, HAS handled) without serious permanent damage, google "Ixtoc oil spill".
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 01, 2010, 06:14:44 AM
I know this is an unpopular thing to point out, and I'm certainly not saying the oil spill is a GOOD thing, or that I don't want to go to BP corporate HQ and give every living motherfucker in that place an hourlong bastinado session, but this is probably not going to be the doomsday scenario that is so popular to espouse. If you want an idea of how much oil the Gulf can handle (and, indeed, HAS handled) without serious permanent damage, google "Ixtoc oil spill".
I heard about that, the same damn thing happened with the same damn companies 31 years ago.
It lasted for 10 months before they managed to close the thing.
They are trying the same techniques now that didn't work then btw.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 01, 2010, 02:31:40 AM
Their trying to convince the government that the best way to fix this is... more drilling!
Shouldn't be too hard a job, seems like Obama will pretty much buy anything.
BP: So our expert scientist, um, Joe the Driller, says we need to drill another hole next to this hole and it will stop.
Obama: Um, okay!
BP: You wanna set up a press conference so we can explain this to the American people?
Obama: Nah, I got this! Oh, gotta jet, Barbara Boxer is having a fundraiser tonight. The Jonas Brothers are going to be there!
Seriously, wtf is Obama supposed to do? He's not an expert on the matter, and neither are any of his advisors. All the science that's out there has to deal with making wells go, not making them stop. BP should have been better prepared because the regulatory bodies should have been less corrupt and we should have had smarter rules in place. But after 8 years of Bush filling every oversight position in the government with industry insiders, I think pinning that on Obama is pushing it a little. Maybe he should have been a little more urgent with cleaning house, but it isn't like he's been sitting in the White House doing nothing at all for a year and a half. What's the guy supposed to do about an oil gusher a mile deep in the middle of the Gulf? Hop into ALVIN and go fix the thing himself with some tweezers and an army of angler fish?
Also, more drilling is the way to stop the well. Relief wells are required by Canadian regulatory agencies because it stops this kind of thing from happening. Not here though, because our regulations are written by oil industry lobbyists.
Quote from: Regret on June 01, 2010, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 01, 2010, 06:14:44 AM
I know this is an unpopular thing to point out, and I'm certainly not saying the oil spill is a GOOD thing, or that I don't want to go to BP corporate HQ and give every living motherfucker in that place an hourlong bastinado session, but this is probably not going to be the doomsday scenario that is so popular to espouse. If you want an idea of how much oil the Gulf can handle (and, indeed, HAS handled) without serious permanent damage, google "Ixtoc oil spill".
I heard about that, the same damn thing happened with the same damn companies 31 years ago.
It lasted for 10 months before they managed to close the thing.
They are trying the same techniques now that didn't work then btw.
Not the same companies. Pemex is (or was at the time, anyway) a state-owned company.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 01, 2010, 06:14:44 AM
I know this is an unpopular thing to point out, and I'm certainly not saying the oil spill is a GOOD thing, or that I don't want to go to BP corporate HQ and give every living motherfucker in that place an hourlong bastinado session, but this is probably not going to be the doomsday scenario that is so popular to espouse. If you want an idea of how much oil the Gulf can handle (and, indeed, HAS handled) without serious permanent damage, google "Ixtoc oil spill".
We were still getting tar balls from that one well into the 90s on the Gulf coast. :(
However, isn't Deepwater Horizon predicted to excede Ixtoc?
I don't think so, Ixtoc dumped something close to 200 million gallons IIRC. Deepwater is currently probably somewhere around 40-ish million gallons (I'm using the worst-case scenario estimates since in this context "worst case scenario" usually translates to "what's actually happening") and if it goes at the current rate until a relief well is drilled in August, will probably end up somewhere just around 100 million gallons. And yeah, it still eats big time shit for the beaches and the communities that rely on nice beaches for their economies, I meant it more in an ecological context. We will be able to eat gulf shrimp again SOMETIME in our lifetimes.
Also, I agree with Net. Best thing that can happen here is that a hurricane picks up all of the oil and drops it in Houston.
I hadn't heard of Ixtoc. I can't believe that's a real name. I mean, it's just the word Toxic rearranged a little. Kind of obvious, no?
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 01, 2010, 03:36:08 PM
Also, I agree with Net. Best thing that can happen here is that a hurricane picks up all of the oil and drops it in Houston.
This.
There are pros and cons to the hurricane season. A good one will disperse the oil...a REALLY good one will throw it all on Texas...a bad one will rain it over states that don't deserve it.
Ugh.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill_-_May_24%2C_2010.jpg/780px-Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill_-_May_24%2C_2010.jpg)
It's impossible to say exactly how much oil has spilled and how much will have spilled when it's all said and done.
BP officials have been lying and covering it up.
Here's a doo dad though
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/how-much-oil-has-spilled-in-the-gulf-of-mexico.html
Yeah, in '79 the Ixtoc thing spilled and they're trying the exact same tactics they did then, today. Rachel Maddow had a segment on her show where she juxtaposed the news reels from back then with what they're doing now.
Only that one was in 200ft of water. This is a mile deep.
Also what Vex said about Obama. A friend of mine tried pinning it on him and it was utterly ridiculous.
it's disgusting how right wingers are kind of hoping that this will become "Obama's Katrina". I guess a fucking disgusting gulf of mexico will be a great political victory for them.
Before school had ended, my Biology teacher showed us this: Cleaning up oil with hay. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5SxX2EntEo)
I thought it was interesting. At least someone's coming up with ideas.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 01, 2010, 04:32:14 PM
it's disgusting how right wingers are kind of hoping that this will become "Obama's Katrina". I guess a fucking disgusting gulf of mexico will be a great political victory for them.
Well, what can he do? Really?! Vex was right.
Also, he told BP "Clean this shit up". They went, "Okay!" and decided to sit with their thumbs up their asses instead and complain about how it was effecting THEIR lives and THEIR business while they tried faulty solutions and chemicals that were illegal in the UK because they "were able to get them immediately".
BP leased the platform from Transocean (which is a Swiss company, not American), yes, but they also own more than half of the Atlantis oil field that's in the Gulf which is in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. It's legally their mess and not the United States, even though it's effecting our coastline. They technically don't even have to listen to us. Where is the UK in this? It's their fucking corporation, they need to step in and do something about it.
Obama's Katrina. That kills me every time I see it.
For these goons to compare a man-made, preventable and fixable disaster to a predicted, time to get out, get them the hell out, we have the resources to get them out but won't, natural one is fucking retarded.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 01, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
Obama's Katrina. That kills me every time I see it.
For these goons to compare a man-made, preventable and fixable disaster to a predicted, time to get out, get them the hell out, we have the resources to get them out but won't, natural one is fucking retarded.
Optimised for redundancy :D
I'm certainly not onboard with the right-wingers trying to pin the blame of this thing on Obama. Where I am coming from is that, until recently, his administration has seemed to be not as engaged in this process as they could be. There certainly has proven to be a lack of proper oversight on the MMS agency. The very fact Obama didn't know someone was getting fired/let-go at MMS raises that concern.
What I'd like to see, what a lot of experts are calling for, is for Obama to use the bully pulpit that is the Presidency of the U.S., marshall a huge fleet of tankers, and start skimming. No, it doesn't stop the leak, but it mitigates the damage. The perception has been, rightly or wrongly, that Obama is investing the fate of this spill on whether or not BP can fix it. Surely, there are other great minds out there that can be put to work on this. Surely there are other technologies that can be wielded. And perhaps he is doing this. If so, he needs to do a better job of communicating it.
And that has been the other problem. Communication has been rough at best. Obama, Salazar, and the EPA should be speaking in unison. But, there have been instances that have shown that isn't the case.
Look, I'm not about to put his response in the same category of Bush's response to Katrina. I'm just saying, at least initially, it was more anemic than the situation, IMO, called for. And I believe that is mostly due to the Obama administration giving far more deference to BP than it deserved.
BP tells Obama what's what. Not vice-vesa. Granted tho they should have ordered him to bullshit the american public into thinking everything was cool. Someone at BP dept of governance dropped the ball here.
:lulz: I love you p3nt
They already are skimming. BP payed a bunch of out of work fisherman to do it.
They neglected to get the fishermen safety equipment to deal with the fumes of course.
I'm not talking about fishing boats, I'm talking about getting a fleet of tankers out there to do this on a massive scale. This is a huge, one of a kind, problem that calls for a huge one of a kind response.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 01, 2010, 04:32:14 PM
it's disgusting how right wingers are kind of hoping that this will become "Obama's Katrina". I guess a fucking disgusting gulf of mexico will be a great political victory for them.
Iffy move. It's already becoem fashionable to criticize the government, encouraging it is only setting themselves up for more of the same.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 01, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
I'm certainly not onboard with the right-wingers trying to pin the blame of this thing on Obama. Where I am coming from is that, until recently, his administration has seemed to be not as engaged in this process as they could be. There certainly has proven to be a lack of proper oversight on the MMS agency. The very fact Obama didn't know someone was getting fired/let-go at MMS raises that concern.
What I'd like to see, what a lot of experts are calling for, is for Obama to use the bully pulpit that is the Presidency of the U.S., marshall a huge fleet of tankers, and start skimming. No, it doesn't stop the leak, but it mitigates the damage. The perception has been, rightly or wrongly, that Obama is investing the fate of this spill on whether or not BP can fix it. Surely, there are other great minds out there that can be put to work on this. Surely there are other technologies that can be wielded. And perhaps he is doing this. If so, he needs to do a better job of communicating it.
And that has been the other problem. Communication has been rough at best. Obama, Salazar, and the EPA should be speaking in unison. But, there have been instances that have shown that isn't the case.
Look, I'm not about to put his response in the same category of Bush's response to Katrina. I'm just saying, at least initially, it was more anemic than the situation, IMO, called for. And I believe that is mostly due to the Obama administration giving far more deference to BP than it deserved.
Everyone has their ideas about what would work, or work better, or look better. The Governor of Louisiana has a theory about massive sandbars, for example, and he's pissed as hell that the Feds haven't given the green light to go forward. The fact, however, is that there are a lot of things to consider in a crisis like this. Yes, it's embarrassing for Obama because it looks like he was caught with his pants down. But
anyone's pants would have been down. It's obvious everybody in the government is scrambling, first to cover their asses and then to actually come up with a workable solution in time for election season, Obama included. I'm not saying 'trust the government, they're here to help.' I'm saying the government is doing what it can with the resources it has.
People
hate to see the government be unable to deal with something. It's uncomfortable, not only because there is real damage happening to real ecosystems and economies, but also because it breaches our happily clung-to delusion that the government is as
all-powerful as it pretends to be. It isn't true. The government is just a bunch of humans, strained almost to the point of breaking by enormous cultural and political forces, making shit up as they go along. We hate to be reminded of that because it removes the imaginary protective shield that helps us feel safe from the realities of living on this planet, but just because we hate to hear it doesn't mean it's any less true.
Shit happens, and sometimes an adequate response to the shit that happens isn't possible, isn't feasible, or isn't
worth it. I don't even blame Bush completely for the debacle that was Katrina. Running a country the size of the US is, I'd imagine,
incredibly fucking difficult, even if you're just in it for the book deals you get when you're done. Every head of state does something wrong, every agency is full of boneheads, and every legislature is more concerned with keeping their jobs than with doing them. But that's human nature.
<sorry didn't mean to rant on and on like that>
Well dammit, I want it to be like ID4, where the president gets on the CB and everyone who knows how to drive a boat comes and kills the aliens, I mean, plugs the hole!!!
/
:argh!:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 01, 2010, 05:53:03 PM
I'm not talking about fishing boats, I'm talking about getting a fleet of tankers out there to do this on a massive scale. This is a huge, one of a kind, problem that calls for a huge one of a kind response.
That would be right.
Where IS your navy, anyway?
Big emergency disaster on the sea, that's their turf, right?
I mean, over here if our dikes would break or something would flood at the coast our navy would be all over it [it's one of the things I consider them most useful for]. Similar in Austria, where the army (or airforce, I forget) is mostly occupying themselves with saving people that get lost in the mountains or avalanches.
Quote from: vexati0n on June 01, 2010, 06:20:10 PM
Everyone has their ideas about what would work, or work better, or look better. The Governor of Louisiana has a theory about massive sandbars, for example, and he's pissed as hell that the Feds haven't given the green light to go forward. The fact, however, is that there are a lot of things to consider in a crisis like this. Yes, it's embarrassing for Obama because it looks like he was caught with his pants down. But anyone's pants would have been down. It's obvious everybody in the government is scrambling, first to cover their asses and then to actually come up with a workable solution in time for election season, Obama included. I'm not saying 'trust the government, they're here to help.' I'm saying the government is doing what it can with the resources it has.
that's a somewhat contradictory. if they didn't cover their asses first and work "election season" into the equation, they could do MORE.
so no, your government is not doing all they can. they should put their country FIRST and then their jobs. of course you're used to the fact that they never do this, but that doesn't mean you have to swallow it.
this is an ecological disaster of epic proportions, it's the sort of stuff you DO put your job on the line over, because it matters and it is bigger than your career.
QuotePeople hate to see the government be unable to deal with something. It's uncomfortable, not only because there is real damage happening to real ecosystems and economies, but also because it breaches our happily clung-to delusion that the government is as all-powerful as it pretends to be. It isn't true. The government is just a bunch of humans, strained almost to the point of breaking by enormous cultural and political forces, making shit up as they go along. We hate to be reminded of that because it removes the imaginary protective shield that helps us feel safe from the realities of living on this planet, but just because we hate to hear it doesn't mean it's any less true.
Well, yes, they're only human.
Additionally, they seem unable to deal with big disasters. Not "doing all they can but failing", but unable and impotent.
Where are the emergency scenarios? Why are they even talking about what should be done?
QuoteShit happens, and sometimes an adequate response to the shit that happens isn't possible, isn't feasible, or isn't worth it. I don't even blame Bush completely for the debacle that was Katrina. Running a country the size of the US is, I'd imagine, incredibly fucking difficult, even if you're just in it for the book deals you get when you're done. Every head of state does something wrong, every agency is full of boneheads, and every legislature is more concerned with keeping their jobs than with doing them. But that's human nature.
I still think that a government should be able to at least TRY and deal with disasters like these.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
Where IS your navy, anyway?
Hungover after drinking in my bar all day yesterday.
Quote
I mean, over here if our dikes would break or something would flood at the coast our navy would be all over it [it's one of the things I consider them most useful for]. Similar in Austria, where the army (or airforce, I forget) is mostly occupying themselves with saving people that get lost in the mountains or avalanches.
You're also talking about countries the size of our smaller states.
Quote from: Suu on June 01, 2010, 07:10:08 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
Where IS your navy, anyway?
Hungover after drinking in my bar all day yesterday.
Quote
I mean, over here if our dikes would break or something would flood at the coast our navy would be all over it [it's one of the things I consider them most useful for]. Similar in Austria, where the army (or airforce, I forget) is mostly occupying themselves with saving people that get lost in the mountains or avalanches.
You're also talking about countries the size of our smaller states.
We are building an Empire goddammit! We don't have time for your oil spill.
Maybe I can put it another way.
It feels like the destructive disorder that is the oil spill requires some creative order to fight it.
I'm just not feeling that what the Obama administration and BP are doing fits that bill. I think perhaps it is more like destructive order because it is relying upon hamstrung procedures. It seems like it needs more "out of the box" thinking. And maybe it's there and just not working. But the communications from both the Administration and BP have done little to convince me they are straying to far from conventional thinking.
But beyond that. Seriously, we really need to stop drilling holes in the Earth when we seemingly don't have the technology to cork them if they get fucked up.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 01, 2010, 07:42:22 PM
But beyond that. Seriously, we really need to stop drilling holes in the Earth when we seemingly don't have the technology to cork them if they get fucked up.
THIS
ITT, America learns the value of pre-drilled relief wells, and the dangers of letting industry giants write official government regulations.
Quote from: Remington on June 01, 2010, 07:50:07 PM
ITT, America learns the value of pre-drilled relief wells, and the dangers of letting industry giants write official government regulations.
I have a feeling you are being overly optimistic.
Quote from: Remington on June 01, 2010, 07:50:07 PM
ITT, America learns the value of pre-drilled relief wells, and the dangers of letting industry giants write official government regulations.
Learning? In
my America?
That's a funny joke, Remmy.
Good News everyone!!!
James Cameron is going to save us!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37453610/ns/today-entertainment/
Maybe they should be asking Michael Bey as well. Maybe he can fix it with one of his Hollywood Splosions!
Meh, screw it. How about we plug the hole with BP executives and call it a day?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 01, 2010, 09:01:53 PM
Good News everyone!!!
James Cameron is going to save us!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37453610/ns/today-entertainment/
Maybe they should be asking Michael Bey as well. Maybe he can fix it with one of his Hollywood Splosions!
Okay, it's gone from horrifying and awful to funny, how inept these people are. :lulz:
Quote from: Remington on June 01, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
Meh, screw it. How about we plug the hole with BP executives and call it a day?
I would support this. Cap it off with cement.
During
Waterworld, Kevin Costner funded the development of something that's supposed to help (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/05/waterworld_pays_off_finally.php).
QuoteWhile he was working on that film, Costner paid scientists millions of dollars to develop a device that could do what his fictional character's invention could do in the film: purify ocean water. Working prototypes of the device actually exist, which Costner has dubbed "Ocean Therapy." Now, with the approval of the Army Corps of Engineers, British Petroleum has given the go-ahead for Costner to test six of his devices to help clean up the massive oil spill in the Gulf.
...
Costner's machines use centrifuge technology to separate oil from water, rendering the water 97% pure. "It's like a big vacuum cleaner," explained one of Costner's business partners. Costner, a longtime environmentalist, was glad that his invention would finally be deployed, but saddend at the occasion. "We've moved this to a technology that we know works, and has worked for a long time," Costner said, "It's prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them." He added: "I just [am] really happy that the light of day has come to this, and I'm sad about why it is. But this is why it was developed, and like in anything that we face as a group, we all face it together."
A claim by Arthur Robinson (http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/05/30/ocean-life-thrives-on-crude-oil-meet-congressional-candidate-art-robinson/) (the editor of the newsletter
Access To Energy) is being brought up again, where he said that:
Quote"As for oil spills in the open and deep ocean, they amount to far less than natural seeps and river runoff, and any unbiased oceanographer will confirm that they are a boon to marine life, inflicting damage mainly on the oil and shipping companies. For crude oil is a natural, organic, biodegradable product of the earth's ancient plant and animal life, and it is this type of hydrocarbon that marine life in the open and deep ocean is starved for."
And a dolphin and a sea turtle have already washed up and been confirmed to have died from oil damage (http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2010/06-01-10-Dolphin-and-turtle-deaths-are-only-tip-of-the-iceberg.aspx) - a lot of others have, too, of course, but these are the first ones to be confirmed as such.
Picture of the dolphin. (http://i.imgur.com/3JFae.jpg) It's pretty horrifying, so I don't think I'll post the picture itself.
I refuse to look at the dead dolphin. RE-FUCKING-FUSE.
Quote from: Suu on June 01, 2010, 09:21:54 PM
I refuse to look at the dead dolphin. RE-FUCKING-FUSE.
Smart woman, i wish i had your discipline.
yes, i clicked.
yes, i am sadder now.
REALLY? AWFUCKTHEM....
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/05/30/1548218/BP-Knew-of-Deepwater-Horizon-Problems-11-Months-Ago
Quotejkinney3 was one of several readers to send in news of recently discovered internal documents from BP which indicate the company knew: "there were serious problems and safety concerns with the Deepwater Horizon rig far earlier than those the company described to Congress last week." According to the New York Times, "The documents show that in March, after several weeks of problems on the rig, BP was struggling with a loss of 'well control.' And as far back as 11 months ago, it was concerned about the well casing and the blowout preventer." Reader bezenek points out this troubling quote about BP's inconsistent risk assessments: "In April of this year, BP engineers concluded that the casing was 'unlikely to be a successful cement job,' according to a document, referring to how the casing would be sealed to prevent gases from escaping up the well. The document also says that the plan for casing the well is 'unable to fulfill M.M.S. regulations,' referring to the Minerals Management Service. A second version of the same document says 'It is possible to obtain a successful cement job' and 'It is possible to fulfill M.M.S. regulations.'"
Link to quoted article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30rig.html?pagewanted=all
Quote from: Suu on June 01, 2010, 04:16:19 PM
Ugh.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill_-_May_24%2C_2010.jpg/780px-Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill_-_May_24%2C_2010.jpg)
Don't worry, that's not actually oil. It's just the runoff from Bourbon St.
I am more and more of the opinion that they should have nuked it. Can't get much worse, why the fuck not.
:| This is my fuck everything face.
http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill
:aaa:
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
I still think that a government should be able to at least TRY and deal with disasters like these.
what if you already have a good deal of resources located else where like say Haiti
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
Add a class action from all the people who lost income from
the spill, cos BP shareholders are international, they're only really registered in the UK as a corporation.
Besides with the epic cuts in public spending since the general election the Tory/liberal govt won't do shit.
Quote from: Pēleus on June 02, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
I still think that a government should be able to at least TRY and deal with disasters like these.
what if you already have a good deal of resources located else where like say Haiti
If the government has something in Haiti that would help them plug up the hole, they are seriously, seriously doing it very, very wrong.
I was thinking that maybe the Haiti earthquake, the Chile earthquake, and this oil disaster, are all down to ?????? trying to calibrate those H.A.A.R.P Arrays. But then I thought, "Nah, that would be crazy" and put the hat back on.
the US getting out of its gigantic debt by fining and prosecuting big business oil companies?
I have to admit that pushes the horrormirth needle over to the "just funny" side
thank gawdess we live in such a litigious country, eh? :lol:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/worst_case_scenario.png)
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 02, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on June 02, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
I still think that a government should be able to at least TRY and deal with disasters like these.
what if you already have a good deal of resources located else where like say Haiti
If the government has something in Haiti that would help them plug up the hole, they are seriously, seriously doing it very, very wrong.
:lulz:
A lot of our money and resources are also, you know.. in Iraq and Afghanistan n such.
Also, here's a lovely glimpse of what we have to look forward to--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100524/sc_ynews/ynews_sc2199;_ylt=AqhTqcxypnqdG55OfSCo3bip_aF4;_ylu=X3oDMTB2bW42Z3BoBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9mZWF0dXJlZARzbGsDaW1hZ2U-
(Suu, don't look. There's only one
dead jelly but it was hard for me to look at)
So the Space Shuttle Atlantis just made its last flight to space. Seal the fucker, turn it into a submarine, and then you got that long space-arm deal to fix the leak.
We can have our space men fix it!
Send in the space men!!
I love the space men :sad:
Oh no sausage-dolphin and dead jelly. :cry:
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
I think i figured out who made the leak happen in the first place.
US govt needs money, BP has money.
US sues BP, gets lots of money and massive public support for more limits on corporations.
Who knows? maybe this will lead to a lessening of corporate power.
Quote from: Regret on June 02, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
I think i figured out who made the leak happen in the first place.
US govt needs money, BP has money.
US sues BP, gets lots of money and massive public support for more limits on corporations.
Who knows? maybe this will lead to a lessening of corporate power.
Enter the fist door on your left. You are not in touch with reality and we can cure you.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 02, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
We can have our space men fix it!
Send in the space men!!
I love the space men :sad:
They're all working as celebrity board members for banks, now.
Sorry about that.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 02, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
We can have our space men fix it!
Send in the space men!!
I love the space men :sad:
They're all working as celebrity board members for banks, now.
Sorry about that.
I knew several who were working for Martin Marietta with six figure salaries and very clean desktops.
Quote from: Hawk on June 02, 2010, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 02, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
We can have our space men fix it!
Send in the space men!!
I love the space men :sad:
They're all working as celebrity board members for banks, now.
Sorry about that.
I knew several who were working for Martin Marietta with six figure salaries and very clean desktops.
So I'm sticking to my earlier suggestion, since the space men all ran away to be whores.
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
God, that would be great!
Fine the everliving fuck out of these guys, and bring them up on every criminal charge you can get.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on June 02, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
God, that would be great!
All it costs to get out of debt is 2000 miles of coastal wetlands! :banana:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2010, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on June 02, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
God, that would be great!
All it costs to get out of debt is 2000 miles of coastal wetlands! :banana:
Meh, who needs wetlands anyway... all those birds, fish, snakes, etc and their entitlement attitudes!
Frankly I'm amazed BP has managed to get me sympathetic toward jellyfish, one of the most singularly awful creatures on this planet and all around horror filled misery factories.
BP will live to drill another day. I'd put $20 on them getting fined from here to tomorrow and still turning a profit. We're so addicted to oil and cheap energy that losing all of these wetlands and animals won't mean jack. Even the stories of fishing families going belly up, won't matter. This will fade into the aether when it is done much like Valdez did. It's just a punchline now about a drunk sailor.
well to be fair, nobody ever really cared about alaska.
Idaho about that.
As always, there will turn out to be ONE person, acting alone, who is to blame for all of it.
That person will be harangued, excoriated, demonized, and eventually, ignored.
Then we'll go on doing what we do. And we'll keep coming to this fork in the road. Over and over.
Quote from: Sigmatic on June 02, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
As always, there will turn out to be ONE person, acting alone, who is to blame for all of it.
That person will be harangued, excoriated, demonized, and eventually, ignored.
Then we'll go on doing what we do. And we'll keep coming to this fork in the road. Over and over.
There is no
spoon fork.
After the Exxon Valdez spill, the judge set the punitive fine to $5 billion - one year's worth of Exxon profits. Exxon fought the fine all the way down to $507 million, or about 1/10th of the original. So I don't think we'll be getting much out of BP.
Fun fact: JP Morgan created the first credit default swap to deal with the $4.8 billion loan they initially made to Exxon for it to pay the fine.
reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill#Litigation_and_cleanup_costs
Haven't you heard? corporations are people now too!
They got all kinds of rights now.
So maybe, just maybe the person being punished will be a fall-corp in stead of a fall-guy.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 02, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on June 02, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 01, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
I still think that a government should be able to at least TRY and deal with disasters like these.
what if you already have a good deal of resources located else where like say Haiti
If the government has something in Haiti that would help them plug up the hole, they are seriously, seriously doing it very, very wrong.
was thinking manpower, engineers build roads, DAMS and other shit dont they?
there isnt a simple fix*, like buy out the hay from like two or three states,
as livestock would starved just to protect the coastline
* this of course doesnt factor in Russia's advise of the nuke option
Quote from: Satzanfang on June 02, 2010, 10:54:26 PM
After the Exxon Valdez spill, the judge set the punitive fine to $5 billion - one year's worth of Exxon profits. Exxon fought the fine all the way down to $507 million, or about 1/10th of the original. So I don't think we'll be getting much out of BP.
Fun fact: JP Morgan created the first credit default swap to deal with the $4.8 billion loan they initially made to Exxon for it to pay the fine.
reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill#Litigation_and_cleanup_costs
They're STILL cleaning up oil from the Valdez, even though Exxon said that it was done in what, 1992? Fucking liars.
Quote from: Hawk on June 02, 2010, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 02, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
We can have our space men fix it!
Send in the space men!!
I love the space men :sad:
They're all working as celebrity board members for banks, now.
Sorry about that.
I knew several who were working for Martin Marietta with six figure salaries and very clean desktops.
Is now Lockheed Martin. I work across the street from ..... the area where their gate begins..
Quote from: Regret on June 02, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
I think i figured out who made the leak happen in the first place.
US govt needs money, BP has money.
US sues BP, gets lots of money and massive public support for more limits on corporations.
Who knows? maybe this will lead to a lessening of corporate power.
Does every post you make have to turn into an anti-corporate screed? Why don't you just go join the Black Bloc and live in the back of a van, for fuck's sake? Or, alternately, you could try learning a little bit about how the world actually works and maybe you'd realize that painting with a wide enough brush to be "anti corporation" is as useless and stupid a thing as you could possibly be doing in this day and age.
After all, I've been incorporated since 2003 so I must be a horrible inhuman world-destroyer, right?
Quote from: vexati0n on June 02, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
well to be fair, nobody ever really cared about alaska.
to be fair, most of us don't care about Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, or Florida either.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 03, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Regret on June 02, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
I think i figured out who made the leak happen in the first place.
US govt needs money, BP has money.
US sues BP, gets lots of money and massive public support for more limits on corporations.
Who knows? maybe this will lead to a lessening of corporate power.
Does every post you make have to turn into an anti-corporate screed? Why don't you just go join the Black Bloc and live in the back of a van, for fuck's sake? Or, alternately, you could try learning a little bit about how the world actually works and maybe you'd realize that painting with a wide enough brush to be "anti corporation" is as useless and stupid a thing as you could possibly be doing in this day and age.
After all, I've been incorporated since 2003 so I must be a horrible inhuman world-destroyer, right?
Well you are but not because you're incorporated.
:lulz:
fair enough.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 03, 2010, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on June 02, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
well to be fair, nobody ever really cared about alaska.
to be fair, most of us don't care about Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, or Florida either.
This is true.
Until something happens to their seafood. Then suddenly, people care.
I may hate this place, but I don't want dead bloated oily animals washing up on my beaches.
The tourists do a good enough job of being dead bloated and oily on the beach.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 03, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 03, 2010, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on June 02, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
well to be fair, nobody ever really cared about alaska.
to be fair, most of us don't care about Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, or Florida either.
This is true.
Until something happens to their seafood. Then suddenly, people care.
I may hate this place, but I don't want dead bloated oily animals washing up on my beaches.
The tourists do a good enough job of being dead bloated and oily on the beach.
:mittens:
I...just burst into tears.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 03, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Regret on June 02, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 02, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Yesterday on the news over my delicious gyro at a tiny happy Greek place here in Providence, I overheard that the US is looking into criminal charges against BP. I haven't looked for the source yet...but I can't think of a better way for America to get out of debt than to sue the pants off of a foreign oil corporation.
I think i figured out who made the leak happen in the first place.
US govt needs money, BP has money.
US sues BP, gets lots of money and massive public support for more limits on corporations.
Who knows? maybe this will lead to a lessening of corporate power.
Does every post you make have to turn into an anti-corporate screed? Why don't you just go join the Black Bloc and live in the back of a van, for fuck's sake? Or, alternately, you could try learning a little bit about how the world actually works and maybe you'd realize that painting with a wide enough brush to be "anti corporation" is as useless and stupid a thing as you could possibly be doing in this day and age.
After all, I've been incorporated since 2003 so I must be a horrible inhuman world-destroyer, right?
Also, I work for Big Oil, and we don't do this shit.
Being from the area and having worked offshore on survey jobs, I can say that the whole industry is awash with fucktards, from the top all the way down. People just were lazy, mediocre and uncaring in what is a potentially disastrous enterprise. I could go on and on about the self-reflexive nature of human worldview these days, but. Doesn't really change what happened out there.
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
I...just burst into tears.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html
That's fucking awful. Absolutely awful. The fuckers who are responsible ought to be drowned in what the workers pull off the animals and the beaches.
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 04, 2010, 03:48:08 AM
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
I...just burst into tears.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html
That's fucking awful. Absolutely awful. The fuckers who are responsible ought to be drowned in what the workers pull off the animals and the beaches.
That's just a glimpse
I don't even want to think about the rest of it, frankly.
That's what the press was allowed to see.
...Really I'm half tempted to pack everything up, put it in storage, quit my job and fly down to Louisiana and volunteer to clean up. My aunt lives in New Orleans, I can crash with her. In fact, I've been seriously considering it. I think my mom is in fact definitely going as soon as she gets plans worked out with whatever organizations can get in there.
The National Wildlife Federation has volunteer thing (http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Wildlife-Conservation/Threats-to-Wildlife/Oil-Spill/On-the-Ground.aspx), which I have signed up for. They've been having money issues, though, so I dunno. But that's something.
Btw, for those that want to boycott BP, here's a list of companies they own:
BP
Air BP
Aviation Fuels
Castrol
Valero
ARCO
AM/PM
Aral
BP Solar
Petra Solar
Wild Bean Cafe
Costco
Hess
Subway
7 Eleven
Citgo
Texaco
:|
This pretty much leaves your choice of gas for your car with Exxon/Fail and the Guccis, er...Shell. Fuck.
Also, no more delicious Subway sammiches. I knew those $5 footlongs were too good to be true.
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 04:35:47 AM
That's what the press was allowed to see.
...Really I'm half tempted to pack everything up, put it in storage, quit my job and fly down to Louisiana and volunteer to clean up. My aunt lives in New Orleans, I can crash with her. In fact, I've been seriously considering it. I think my mom is in fact definitely going as soon as she gets plans worked out with whatever organizations can get in there.
Dude, no need for your mom to go to another state. It's gonna be on her doorstep soon enough. No joke.
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 04, 2010, 04:34:01 AM
I don't even want to think about the rest of it, frankly.
You don't have to. You won't have to smell it. I hear it's pretty foul. Guess I'll find out if I decide to go to the beach on that side... till it makes it's way around the.. dude. The keys.
The one pretty damn thing we have.
BALLS!
BALLS AND CHEESE!
That's the saddest thing I've heard all day.
Year. Two, perhaps.
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Btw, for those that want to boycott BP, here's a list of companies they own:
BP
Air BP
Aviation Fuels
Castrol
Valero
ARCO
AM/PM
Aral
BP Solar
Petra Solar
Wild Bean Cafe
Costco
Hess
Subway
7 Eleven
Citgo
Texaco
:|
This pretty much leaves your choice of gas for your car with Exxon/Fail and the Guccis, er...Shell. Fuck.
Also, no more delicious Subway sammiches. I knew those $5 footlongs were too good to be true.
link to source? I'm not buying that list without proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP#BP_retail_brands
doesnt show costco or 711
(http://imgur.com/D1CkN.jpg)
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on June 04, 2010, 09:19:04 AM
(http://imgur.com/D1CkN.jpg)
I love culture jamming when it's done right!
:thanks:
Your own work? :mittens:
Suggestion - leave the background white.
I had a logo teacher that always was talking about logos that looked like anuses.
Originally I was trying to make it look like an oil spill, and then it hit me.
Also, good call on the background.
If I was teh boss of the US I would fine the fuck out of
BP and invest in renewables to try and cure the addiction to oil.
Also increase taxation on fuel innefficient cars, and give tax breaks on hybrids.
People think with their wallets.
Back in the undergraduate days, I took an environmental policy course that was instructed by my economics professor.
His theory was that Americans would never get serious about conserving and renewable energy sources until gas hit $5/gallon and stayed there.
I don't know if it's $5 or if its $6 or $7 now. (things have changed since the mid 90s), but I think the theory is probably pretty sound. I think until we hit that breaking point, whatever it is, Americans will not be pressured enough in their wallets to scream and demand change.
Quote from: Zyzyx on June 04, 2010, 03:41:02 AM
Being from the area and having worked offshore on survey jobs, I can say that the whole industry is awash with fucktards, from the top all the way down. People just were lazy, mediocre and uncaring in what is a potentially disastrous enterprise. I could go on and on about the self-reflexive nature of human worldview these days, but. Doesn't really change what happened out there.
Change "industry" to "planet" and you'll have a balanced, objective opinion that I can agree with. Sometimes human stupidity has a small impact and other times it has a big impact - doesn't make it any more or less stupid.
Quote from: Pēleus on June 04, 2010, 08:47:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP#BP_retail_brands
doesnt show costco or 711
7 Eleven gas stations offer Citgo, which is BP owned. And Costcos with gas stations do the same.
I thought Venezuela owned Citgo. When did that change?
I know a few people from here who were hired by BP (I think, didn't ask but not sure who else it would be) and they were sent to these classes and had to take these tests and are now down in Louisiana with free room and board in addition to getting paid $25.00 an hour. They have signed contracts and have received paychecks, so I presume it's legitimate. There were ads in the local newspaper and on TV.
Hell I would have done it if they would let you take your kids. Few in this economy can pass up that kind of money.
I'd be doing what I really would like to do AND getting paid for it. Because let's face it, cleanup of this fuckup is going to take years!
Oh and I don't know that I can boycott Subway. Everywhere else on the list is not a problem, but Subway??? Them's some cheap eats for growing teenagers, it's been our "fast food" of choice for years. It might prove to be impossible for me :cry:
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Btw, for those that want to boycott BP, here's a list of companies they own:
BP
Air BP
Aviation Fuels
Castrol
Valero
ARCO
AM/PM
Aral
BP Solar
Petra Solar
Wild Bean Cafe
Costco
Hess
Subway
7 Eleven
Citgo
Texaco
:|
This pretty much leaves your choice of gas for your car with Exxon/Fail and the Guccis, er...Shell. Fuck.
Also, no more delicious Subway sammiches. I knew those $5 footlongs were too good to be true.
7-11 (7 Eleven) is owned by 7&I Holdings in Japan. I'm not sure what connection they have to BP, but in terms of ownership, they are a HUGE overseas mega-corporation (there are more 7-11 stores in Japan than there are post offices, by the order of 4,000-5,000 stores). <http://finance.mapsofworld.com/company/7-and-i-holdings.html>
Where's the connection, outside of possible co-branded stores in the US? I didn't look through the others, but I never heard of a connection between those two.
See, I don't know that a boycott of BP really makes that much sense. So you end up getting your local BP gas station closed and then a Shell Oil gas station opens up in its place. You put some people from your community out of work, but BP will still make a profit.
BP is the problem in this instance, but the larger problem is the entire oil industry and our unquenchable thirst for cheap energy. Are we going to boycott ourselves? Another large part of the problem is the failure of government oversight. So are we going to boycott the federal government too?
Trust me, I understand wanting to put the screws to BP, but that is really the job of our government and the government agencies in charge of keeping these operations running safely and soundly. I think the effort put into rallying people to boycott would be better spent putting pressure on elected officials to demand a house cleaning at MMS. And of course that this incident is thoroughly investigated and BP, Halliburton, and the other company pay out the nose for the costs of cleanup and lost business.
Quote from: Khara on June 04, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Oh and I don't know that I can boycott Subway. Everywhere else on the list is not a problem, but Subway??? Them's some cheap eats for growing teenagers, it's been our "fast food" of choice for years. It might prove to be impossible for me :cry:
I think they mean don't go to the ones in a Valero or BP station.
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: Khara on June 04, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Oh and I don't know that I can boycott Subway. Everywhere else on the list is not a problem, but Subway??? Them's some cheap eats for growing teenagers, it's been our "fast food" of choice for years. It might prove to be impossible for me :cry:
I think they mean don't go to the ones in a Valero or BP station.
THAT I can do easily!!
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/148666/prankbp-700x514.jpg)
BP has one of the most stringent safety programs in the industry as far as their offshore enterprises are concerned, but their safety /record/ is another story entirely.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6
People in the know tend to agree from the evidence that BP is hard to work for, yet at the same time sports a disastrous number of mishaps on their record. It may just be proof that no matter how hard you try, people will find a way to fuck it up.
Quote from: Zyzyx on June 04, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
BP has one of the most stringent safety programs in the industry as far as their offshore enterprises are concerned, but their safety /record/ is another story entirely.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6
People in the know tend to agree from the evidence that BP is hard to work for, yet at the same time sports a disastrous number of mishaps on their record. It may just be proof that no matter how hard you try, people will find a way to fuck it up.
Humans working in environments that humans can't survive in.... what other possibility could there be?
As much as I am horrified by this terrible accident, boycotting BP isn't gonna clean a single seagull. There are accusations of incompetence, of shortcuts to save money... but for fucks sake... it came from the 24 hour news networks... who the fuck believes what they have to say?
The world runs on oil. Companies like BP provide that oil. It's in their best interests from a financial, PR, and product position not to lose huge amounts of oil in a environmental disaster. It's not like the CEO is twirling his mustache and rubbing his hand s together at the thought of destroying countless lives... MAYBE they fucked up. MAYBE they tried to take a shortcut, or MAYBE this would have happened no matter what they did.
If you want to be pissed at this moment, be pissed at the US government which played patty cake with all of Big Oil... be pissed at the last administration that thought Mineral Management meant whores, drugs and parties. And more still... be pissed at yourself and me and the rest of us monkeys who are ever increasing the demand for oil.
Once the facts are in, if BP is truly guilty of negligence, the US government and US consumers will rightly be able to take their pound of flesh. But it will be a hypocritical pound of flesh... cause we won't change our behaviors.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on June 04, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
BP has one of the most stringent safety programs in the industry as far as their offshore enterprises are concerned, but their safety /record/ is another story entirely.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6
People in the know tend to agree from the evidence that BP is hard to work for, yet at the same time sports a disastrous number of mishaps on their record. It may just be proof that no matter how hard you try, people will find a way to fuck it up.
Humans working in environments that humans can't survive in.... what other possibility could there be?
As much as I am horrified by this terrible accident, boycotting BP isn't gonna clean a single seagull. There are accusations of incompetence, of shortcuts to save money... but for fucks sake... it came from the 24 hour news networks... who the fuck believes what they have to say?
The world runs on oil. Companies like BP provide that oil. It's in their best interests from a financial, PR, and product position not to lose huge amounts of oil in a environmental disaster. It's not like the CEO is twirling his mustache and rubbing his hand s together at the thought of destroying countless lives... MAYBE they fucked up. MAYBE they tried to take a shortcut, or MAYBE this would have happened no matter what they did.
If you want to be pissed at this moment, be pissed at the US government which played patty cake with all of Big Oil... be pissed at the last administration that thought Mineral Management meant whores, drugs and parties. And more still... be pissed at yourself and me and the rest of us monkeys who are ever increasing the demand for oil.
Once the facts are in, if BP is truly guilty of negligence, the US government and US consumers will rightly be able to take their pound of flesh. But it will be a hypocritical pound of flesh... cause we won't change our behaviors.
:horrormirth:
Ratatosk rides the correct gas-guzzling motorcycle all over this fread, especially the last line!
You want to boycott the real root cause? Really? Truly? Sincerely?
Liar - do you fuck as like! :lulz:
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
As much as I am horrified by this terrible accident, boycotting BP isn't gonna clean a single seagull.
yeah. zillions of kudos to those who actually go up there and help clean up. those people ROCK.
also, Shell is a Dutch company! Support my economy! YAY
eh.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Zyzyx on June 04, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
BP has one of the most stringent safety programs in the industry as far as their offshore enterprises are concerned, but their safety /record/ is another story entirely.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bp-has-been-fined-by-osha-760-times-has-an-awful-track-record-for-safety-2010-6
People in the know tend to agree from the evidence that BP is hard to work for, yet at the same time sports a disastrous number of mishaps on their record. It may just be proof that no matter how hard you try, people will find a way to fuck it up.
Humans working in environments that humans can't survive in.... what other possibility could there be?
As much as I am horrified by this terrible accident, boycotting BP isn't gonna clean a single seagull. There are accusations of incompetence, of shortcuts to save money... but for fucks sake... it came from the 24 hour news networks... who the fuck believes what they have to say?
The world runs on oil. Companies like BP provide that oil. It's in their best interests from a financial, PR, and product position not to lose huge amounts of oil in a environmental disaster. It's not like the CEO is twirling his mustache and rubbing his hand s together at the thought of destroying countless lives... MAYBE they fucked up. MAYBE they tried to take a shortcut, or MAYBE this would have happened no matter what they did.
If you want to be pissed at this moment, be pissed at the US government which played patty cake with all of Big Oil... be pissed at the last administration that thought Mineral Management meant whores, drugs and parties. And more still... be pissed at yourself and me and the rest of us monkeys who are ever increasing the demand for oil.
Once the facts are in, if BP is truly guilty of negligence, the US government and US consumers will rightly be able to take their pound of flesh. But it will be a hypocritical pound of flesh... cause we won't change our behaviors.
:horrormirth:
Umm, yes, all of this.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 04, 2010, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
As much as I am horrified by this terrible accident, boycotting BP isn't gonna clean a single seagull.
yeah. zillions of kudos to those who actually go up there and help clean up. those people ROCK.
also, Shell is a Dutch company! Support my economy! YAY
eh.
Tell them to lower their prices first.
-Suu
Is still a consumer, and Exxon across the street is 3 cents cheaper.
as soon as I get them to lower our prices (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=1.50+euro+per+liter+in+dollar+per+gallon) to be more like yours, I'll start bugging them to make it even lower than that, ok?
Lowering fuel prices won't prevent this from happening again. The only way to get habits to change is to stop using so much fucking oil, and people are the consumers and are part of the problem.
So, Dear America,
Your cars are too big, too inefficient and now you make a lot of noise about an oil spill off your coastline at prices that are frankly unsustainable.
Are you really surprised that they cut corners, or that the regulations aren't stringent enough, your cities are designed around the car, public transport in most places is particularly shitty but still you don't change your behaviours as consumers.
When all the oil runs out the technology to replace it will be incomplete and long overdue.
Imma stop now before I get pissy about Dubya thumbing his nose at Kyoto and the commitment to lower carbon emissions, or imma be a big ball of eco hippy rage.
Hey I'm workin on it.
My Yaris (though it still uses gas and oil) doesn't need an oil change but every 5000 miles and it got me 53 miles per gallon from orlando to tampa.
I say, not bad.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on June 05, 2010, 02:37:40 PM
Lowering fuel prices won't prevent this from happening again. The only way to get habits to change is to stop using so much fucking oil, and people are the consumers and are part of the problem.
So, Dear America,
Your cars are too big, too inefficient and now you make a lot of noise about an oil spill off your coastline at prices that are frankly unsustainable.
Are you really surprised that they cut corners, or that the regulations aren't stringent enough, your cities are designed around the car, public transport in most places is particularly shitty but still you don't change your behaviours as consumers.
When all the oil runs out the technology to replace it will be incomplete and long overdue.
Imma stop now before I get pissy about Dubya thumbing his nose at Kyoto and the commitment to lower carbon emissions, or imma be a big ball of eco hippy rage.
I will change my habits just as soon as I'm not poor and can afford to buy one of those fuel efficient
science projects vehicles.
Sincerely,
America.
But seriously, those hybrids (at the very least) seem like a good idea, they're just so expensive. ANY new car is expensive, though, from my pov. So I'ma shut up now.
Fucking finally:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10246924.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10246924.stm)
QuoteA special cap funnelling oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill appears to be having some success, a US Coast Guard official has said.
Admiral Thad Allen said 6,000 barrels of oil were captured in the first 24 hours after the procedure commenced on Thursday.
This represents between a third and a half of the estimated daily leakage since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank on 20 April, killing 11 workers.
Adm Allen said BP hoped to increase the amount captured in the next few days.
Still, it's only catching a THIRD of one day of oil leakage. This has been happening for weeks.
At least something is being done.
Kind of bothers me that they gave the number in barrels of oil, like this is about saving the oil.
Quote from: Sigmatic on June 05, 2010, 08:42:43 PM
Still, it's only catching a THIRD of one day of oil leakage. This has been happening for weeks.
At least something is being done.
Kind of bothers me that they gave the number in barrels of oil, like this is about saving the oil.
I'm guessing 12,000 barrels are easier to visualize than 1,000,000 gallons.
I thought a barrel was 55 gallons.
( that would put it at closer to 660,000 gallons...)
Hmm.
Quote from: Suu on June 04, 2010, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: Khara on June 04, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Oh and I don't know that I can boycott Subway. Everywhere else on the list is not a problem, but Subway??? Them's some cheap eats for growing teenagers, it's been our "fast food" of choice for years. It might prove to be impossible for me :cry:
I think they mean don't go to the ones in a Valero or BP station.
why? Subways are all independent franchises. Some dude who owns a few subways paid Valero or BP to allow him to put his sandwich counter in there. He pays them the same amount no matter how much money his Subway makes, so if you boycott Subways in BPs, the only person you're hurting is the guy who owns the Subway. Also, boycotting Costco because some of them offer Citgo gasoline (which as far as I know is Venezuela's state-owned oil company, though BP may have a minority stake in it) is just fucking retarded. Why not just boycott every business owned by anyone who owns a car, it would make more sense than this shit.
They said they now know when the leakage will be halted.
August. :x
What.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 07, 2010, 12:40:03 AM
They said they now know when the leakage will be halted.
August. :x
They've been saying this for a few weeks now. :(
May as well just start calling it the Gulf Station of Mexico, because that's all it's going to be in 2 more months.
Some positive news:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704002104575290113945918450.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704002104575290113945918450.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth)
QuoteBP Cap Collects 10,500 Barrels a Day
BP PLC said Sunday that a containment cap placed on its ruptured oil well a mile deep in the Gulf of Mexico collected 10,500 barrels of oil Saturday, marking a success after a string of failures in reducing the oil contaminating the Gulf.
Workers remove oil globs that washed up on Pensacola Beach in Florida on Sunday. Across the border in Alabama, local leaders threatened to jail a BP official on Saturday.
The company, which has been castigated by federal and local officials for its inability to halt the leaking crude, said it hoped to increase the amount of oil funneled to the surface in the next few days. The amount captured Saturday was up from about 6,000 barrels on Friday.
Scientists led by the U.S. Geological Survey have estimated 12,000 to 19,000 barrels of oil a day, at a minimum, were gushing into the Gulf.
Oh goody. :|
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN0722444920100608 (http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN0722444920100608)
QuoteWASHINGTON June 7 (Reuters) - In his angriest words yet after being widely criticized for his response to the Gulf oil spill, U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday said he was talking to experts because he wants to know "whose ass to kick."
"I don't sit around just talking to experts because this is a college seminar. We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answer so I know whose ass to kick," Obama said in an NBC News' "Today" interview airing on Tuesday.
I am coming for you, Hayward you son of a bitch. I will fucking end you.
/
(http://coolcruelworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/obama-angry-2.jpg)
"whose ass to kick"?? did he really say that? :lulz:
that's pretty awesome.
can a president pass some kind of one-time personal corporal punishment mandate thing, so he can actually physically roundhouse kick the guy's ass?
is that Frodo's ring?
My brother's fishing sponsor is selling vulgar shirts to support the cleanup effort!
(http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/25025741/Front.png)
$10 of each shirt sale goes to the Florida Suncoast Seabird Sanctuary at www.seabirdsanctuary.org to aid in the cleanup of distressed birdies.
Buy them here:
http://www.skinnywaterculture.com/products
Fairly good interview with Obama, if you have time to watch it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37568416#37568416 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37568416#37568416)
Quote from: Suu on June 08, 2010, 03:30:31 PM
My brother's fishing sponsor is selling vulgar shirts to support the cleanup effort!
(http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/25025741/Front.png)
$10 of each shirt sale goes to the Florida Suncoast Seabird Sanctuary at www.seabirdsanctuary.org to aid in the cleanup of distressed birdies.
Buy them here:
http://www.skinnywaterculture.com/products
TITCM
Quote from: Remington on June 08, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
Fairly good interview with Obama, if you have time to watch it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37568416#37568416 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37568416#37568416)
"first, I'm not concerned with my politics right now, but with what's happened in the Gulf"
give that man a cookie.
He's finally fucking fed up.
THANK GOD.
Mr. President, I want to see blood.
:lulz: I knew he was gonna get pissed with all the people standing around shrugging, not knowing what to do and pointing the finger at the other guy.
It was only a matter of time.
This shit I'm watching on tv is sad.
Someone just asked the BP rep how much money they have in a reserve for claims, and the guy said "we don't". Now he's pissed.
He's pretty much telling him to hurry up and pay.
Wow. Alex Sink has more balls than these other guys.
She told this guy to stop handing out these 5000 dollar shut up checks and to pay out what these people are worth.
"These are people with employees, who they pay. Do you expect them to fire their employees so they can then claim their $5k? That's not how it works. It isn't right.
It's no fun to watch a grown man cry and I've seen it. You need to sit down with these people at a round table and talk to them the way I have."
It's only a matter of time before a flotilla of fisherman sail into London and start rollin' heads, you know.
Quote from: Suu on June 08, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
It's only a matter of time before a flotilla of fisherman sail into London and start rollin' heads, you know.
I'm surprised there hasn't been moar firebombing tbh.
IMO no matter how bad this shit gets, people aren't gonna do anything but cry.
I can't remember the last time I saw a community in amuurica get so pissed that they used fire and rocks and guns to "solve" the problem
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 08, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
IMO no matter how bad this shit gets, people aren't gonna do anything but cry.
I can't remember the last time I saw a community in amuurica get so pissed that they used fire and rocks and guns to "solve" the problem
Missed the early teabaggers, did you?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 08, 2010, 05:31:54 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 08, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
IMO no matter how bad this shit gets, people aren't gonna do anything but cry.
I can't remember the last time I saw a community in amuurica get so pissed that they used fire and rocks and guns to "solve" the problem
Missed the early teabaggers, did you?
Point. America, where cowards don't WANT a revolution.
Here is an interesting article by Daniel Gross outlining why he thinks Hayward is in a fairly safe position to keep his job, at least for now:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/08/the-safest-job-in-the-world.html
QuoteAs CEO, Hayward is ultimately responsible for BP's operations, and for its response to the crisis. And by any measure, the performance has been a debacle. So why is he still in the corner office? Ironically, Hayward owes his continued tenure largely to BP's unsuccessful efforts to cap the well. For better or worse (mostly for worse), Hayward has emerged as the public face of BP. When he shows up at the Gulf, or on television, he catches all the flak—for his colleagues, for those who report to him, and for those to whom he reports. As a human punching bag, he absorbs all the blows thrown by politicians, the media, and locals that might otherwise land on the corporate board or on investors. He literally owns the spill—and its consequences.
For this reason, it wouldn't be prudent to replace Hayward midstream. New CEOs—especially those who step into troubled situations—like to have a clean slate. There are a few basic narrative arcs to CEO stories—the phenomenal success story, the crash, and the comeback/turnaround. The ideal time to take over is after the company has hit bottom, when all the bad news has been absorbed by the market. That way, from Day 1, the story the new CEO tells is of cleaning up his predecessor's mess, fixing the damage, and repairing the company's image. It's possible to do this even if you're an inside candidate, promoted from within. But the timing has to be right. Investors warn of the danger of trying to catch falling knives—i.e., buying into a stock or company when it is still in freefall. The same holds with executives. Step in too early to a company in crisis, and you risk being identified as part of the problem rather than as part of the solution.
So his theory seems to be that Hayward is making a great punching bag so they have every incentive to keep him there while the problem persists. They can fire him when it's all over and insert some new spag to take credit for all the "good" stuff that happens afterwards.
So it's in his interest to NOT fix the problem.
Nice.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 08, 2010, 05:53:21 PM
So it's in his interest to NOT fix the problem.
Nice.
Well, not his personal interest.
Actually, yes. The longer the spill takes to sort out, the longer he gets to work there. They won't replace him until he's served his purpose.
NPR has some new info, the current cap on the plug is now up to 15k barrels a day, this is the most they can possibly catch with it (flow limitations of the pipes). But they think they can use the top kill equipment to draw another 5000 a day by the end of the week, with a higher draw draw once they get a new ship into the area to handle the load (in about three weeks).
Quote from: Suu on June 08, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
He's finally fucking fed up.
O SHI- hes turning green..
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/1584/obamahulk.jpg) (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/obamahulk.jpg/)
Money is driving the bus. Your hopes will all be dashed upon oily rocks.
Way to kill the righteous fury high.
Colbert shows Obama how it's done:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/311927/june-07-2010/oil-s-well-that-never-ends (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/311927/june-07-2010/oil-s-well-that-never-ends)
QuoteColbertNation.com video - Stephen shows President Obama how to appear angry over the oil spill by ripping off his sleeves and beating up Tony Hayward.
Also,
(http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/super-mario-killed-by-bp-image.jpg)
poor bloopers
David Cameron is alarmed by the US Justice Department statement that it wants to stop BP from paying dividends to its shareholders because it impacts on the private pension plans of a hell of a lot of British pension holders.
Apparently Cameron will be going to be speaking to Obama about this at the weekend, and will be going to the US in July.
BP has spent 1.4 billion (not sure if this is GBP or USD) on trying to clean up the mess and share prices have taken a nasty hit from the accident.
Hayward's family is under police protection in the UK from hate mail and other attacks.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on June 10, 2010, 08:00:48 AM
David Cameron is alarmed by the US Justice Department statement that it wants to stop BP from paying dividends to its shareholders because it impacts on the private pension plans of a hell of a lot of British pension holders.
Apparently Cameron will be going to be speaking to Obama about this at the weekend, and will be going to the US in July.
BP has spent 1.4 billion (not sure if this is GBP or USD) on trying to clean up the mess and share prices have taken a nasty hit from the accident.
Hayward's family is under police protection in the UK from hate mail and other attacks.
:mittens:
Obama might just bust a cap.
Yea I'm kinda worried about the non state pensions in a country that is already seriously attempting to cut public spending to the bone.
Needed better regulation to start with in the US, IMHO.
And the hate mail to the family is kinda excessive.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on June 10, 2010, 08:00:48 AM
David Cameron is alarmed by the US Justice Department statement that it wants to stop BP from paying dividends to its shareholders because it impacts on the private pension plans of a hell of a lot of British pension holders.
Apparently Cameron will be going to be speaking to Obama about this at the weekend, and will be going to the US in July.
BP has spent 1.4 billion (not sure if this is GBP or USD) on trying to clean up the mess and share prices have taken a nasty hit from the accident.
Hayward's family is under police protection in the UK from hate mail and other attacks.
NOT ENOUGH.
Hate mail to family is a bit much, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't just this one guy, it's the whole fucking system.
BP spend ZERO on R&D for "what happens if", they got the permit by promising oil would never touch land, or wetlands, or marshes, the MMS is full of crack head whores and this multi billion dollar corporation had the money to put emergency structures in place but they didn't.
They had one emergency shut off valve. ONE and it FAILED.
I will not be sympathetic to this company, or it's shareholders, or anyone who had their hand in drilling here, putting this platform together and ultimately it's demise.
The people I do have sympathy for are the families who lost those 11 guys. That's shitty.
I don't care if BP stock hits the floor, I don't care if the company goes under. They won't, they'll survive, but after Exxon, Ixtoc they didn't do anything. Nothing changed except they put research into how to drill deeper. No money went into researching how to stop a leak/gusher under the water.
Who gets to suffer? Oh the poor ceo of BP wants his life back.
Nobody sent hate mail to anyone's family. Let's face it, that's just typical minitrue bullshit to help sway public opinion. :tinfoilhat:
rem, you see Stewart joke about the nuclear option never being off the table? :lulz:
still dont get why instead of offering $5,000 lie-ability waviers,
they didnt hand fishermen oil booees
instead of just putting them up and leaving em unattended as i saw on msnbc
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 10, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
BP spend ZERO on R&D for "what happens if", they got the permit by promising oil would never touch land, or wetlands, or marshes,...
BP's Spill Plan: What they knew and when they knew it (http://www.neworleans.com/community/cityvoices/408085-exclusive-advance-bp-oil-spill-response-plan-what-they-knew-and-when-they-knew-it.html)
They had a "what if" and even a plan, but it was based on I'm guessing some bad info, because their highest calculated possibility was 16% likelyhood for it to end up in the Parish mentioned in the article. Perhaps they didn't expect this magnitude.
QuoteI have obtained a copy of the almost-600-page BP Regional Oil Spill Response Plan for the Gulf of Mexico as of June, 2009, thanks to an insider. Some material has been redacted, but these are the three main takeaways from an initial read. The name of the well has been redacted, but if it's not Deepwater Horizon, then there's another rig still out there pumping oil and aimed at Plaquemines Parish.
1) In the worst case discharge scenario (on chart below), an oil leak was expected to come ashore with highest probability in Plaquemines Parish within 30 days (see map above from the Advance Response Plan). This makes it clear that BP could have stored adequate boom there before a rig failure like the Deepwater Horizon, and workers could have been mobilized to apply the boom in the 30 days that the response plan predicted oil would hit our wetlands.
Personally, I love this. (http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/05/25-0) I love it almost as much as I love their emergency equipment supplier. (http://www.msrc.com/Equipment.htm)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 10, 2010, 05:44:25 PM
Nobody sent hate mail to anyone's family. Let's face it, that's just typical minitrue bullshit to help sway public opinion. :tinfoilhat:
It wouldn't surprise me if the media was making shit up to make the British public feel bad for BP and the ration of shit they're getting for this.
Boo hoo.
(http://imgur.com/e3FMd.jpg)
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 10, 2010, 10:52:29 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 10, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
BP spend ZERO on R&D for "what happens if", they got the permit by promising oil would never touch land, or wetlands, or marshes,...
BP's Spill Plan: What they knew and when they knew it (http://www.neworleans.com/community/cityvoices/408085-exclusive-advance-bp-oil-spill-response-plan-what-they-knew-and-when-they-knew-it.html)
They had a "what if" and even a plan, but it was based on I'm guessing some bad info, because their highest calculated possibility was 16% likelyhood for it to end up in the Parish mentioned in the article. Perhaps they didn't expect this magnitude.
QuoteI have obtained a copy of the almost-600-page BP Regional Oil Spill Response Plan for the Gulf of Mexico as of June, 2009, thanks to an insider. Some material has been redacted, but these are the three main takeaways from an initial read. The name of the well has been redacted, but if it's not Deepwater Horizon, then there's another rig still out there pumping oil and aimed at Plaquemines Parish.
1) In the worst case discharge scenario (on chart below), an oil leak was expected to come ashore with highest probability in Plaquemines Parish within 30 days (see map above from the Advance Response Plan). This makes it clear that BP could have stored adequate boom there before a rig failure like the Deepwater Horizon, and workers could have been mobilized to apply the boom in the 30 days that the response plan predicted oil would hit our wetlands.
Whatever. Wanna help me scrub some birds? You can crash on my couch.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on June 11, 2010, 02:26:56 AM
(http://imgur.com/e3FMd.jpg)
Pppppppwhahaha!
I signed up to do that, actually. We'll see if they call me or not, though they're having trouble with money last I checked.
there's money?
fuck that.
got a bucket and some gloves? yeah.
let's go.
:) Money for the National Wildlife Federation people to pay for food and stuff for volunteers. You have to pay your way down there, and I can get free plane tickets, but I'd have to have food and somewhere to sleep.
I'm an hour from the coast.
I have food in my fridge.
I'll go.
Let me talk to my source of plane tickets and try to make some arrangements for some stuff, but I'll PM you soon if you're serious about this.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/09/bp-skip-hearing/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/09/bp-skip-hearing/)
Seriously, can we rouse up some lynch mobs now?
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 11, 2010, 05:52:30 AM
Let me talk to my source of plane tickets and try to make some arrangements for some stuff, but I'll PM you soon if you're serious about this.
Uh, if it hits my shores I know where I'll be spending my weekends.
"Have shovel, will shlupp"
whether they want me there or not. i'll be cleaning some shit up.
i'll be watching. waiting. with my big black rubber gloves.
Quote from: Remington on June 11, 2010, 06:51:38 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/09/bp-skip-hearing/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/09/bp-skip-hearing/)
Seriously, can we rouse up some lynch mobs now?
They made the mistake of lying to them. This IS a witch hunt, or should be, and they should be afraid.
For the oceans, their precious company, and maybe even themselves.
I think Rachel Maddow has been covering this whole mess better than any other news station/show anywhere.
She does good news.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 11, 2010, 07:12:07 AM
I think Rachel Maddow has been covering this whole mess better than any other news station/show anywhere.
Agreed. She seems to cover pretty much everything better than the rest of them, including the rest of the cast on MSNBC. It's actual investigative journalism which seemed to have died somewhere along the way.
Quote from: RWHN on June 11, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 11, 2010, 07:12:07 AM
I think Rachel Maddow has been covering this whole mess better than any other news station/show anywhere.
Agreed. She seems to cover pretty much everything better than the rest of them, including the rest of the cast on MSNBC. It's actual investigative journalism which seemed to have died somewhere along the way.
Yep.
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 11, 2010, 05:52:30 AM
Let me talk to my source of plane tickets and try to make some arrangements for some stuff, but I'll PM you soon if you're serious about this.
I live in south Louisiana, signed up for the Gulf Coast Restoration thingamajig. Will be mopping up down there fairly soon, I imagine.
Oil is already there.
Why wait? Just go.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 11, 2010, 05:15:45 PM
Oil is already there.
Why wait? Just go.
Okay, you jump in first.
Unless you already have experience cleaning up this kind of thing, I'd suggest you don't do it by yourself. Oil is toxic, you may need safety gear you don't possess. Not to mention that you very well could end up doing more harm than good with attempts to clean it up.
http://lagulfresponse.org/home.html
Yep, this is the group I signed up with and they said what you said, Vene.
Hmm, just how much coastline has been hit anyway? I can only find stuff for how much of Louisiana got hit.
I know that it is definitely starting to make landfall in MS, and AL, and tarballs are showing up in the FL panhandle, where they think oil is about a mile to 5 miles offshore as of this week.
LA has it the worst, but this is way far from over.
We'd know more if the media wasn't being this obviously suppressed. At least, they told Anderson Cooper to gtfo.
Welp, there was just a 500 barrel oil spill (http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-3743-more-oil-spill-photos-(brace-yourself).html) into Salt Lake City's water supply. The drinking water is safe but a couple of creeks and wells are contaminated, including the small lake in the park by my house. Blehhh.
:x
WHAT THE HELL!?!?
How did that even get there?????
Pipeline from Colorado. There's a lot of refineries here.
:sad: shitty.
What the fuck!
Let's just take a big shit on mother earth's head. That ought to do it.
So, they've revised the estimate of how much oil is spilling into around 25,000 barrels per day. How much is 25,000 barrels?
Well, video game geeks are here to show you.
http://gamingbolt.com/2010/06/18/bp-oil-fiasco-rendered-using-unreal-engine/ (http://gamingbolt.com/2010/06/18/bp-oil-fiasco-rendered-using-unreal-engine/)
amazing. shame he doesn't run it all the way to the end though, I wonder what the pile would have looked like once everything settled.
I didn't want to make a new oil spill thread, so i'm sticking this here....
has anyone else heard about BP doing crappy photoshops of their Crisis Response Center?
http://www.americablog.com/2010/07/bp-photoshops-fake-photo-of-command.html
:x
So... BP is WOMPing themselves to make themselves more popular?
Does anyone else find that pathetic and funny?
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 20, 2010, 09:57:52 PM
So... BP is WOMPing themselves to make themselves more popular?
Does anyone else find that pathetic and funny?
yes
Jesus, shit.
First I was like :x
Then I was like :lulz:
Then I just went :horrormirth:
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 20, 2010, 09:57:52 PM
So... BP is WOMPing themselves to make themselves more popular?
Does anyone else find that pathetic and funny?
(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr126/TGRR/bpphotoshop8a.jpg)
That's amazing. :lol:
that's awesome, Dok.
i figured it'd get done, and you delivered!
(http://www.visualeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/what-bp-could-buy.jpg)
Oh my fuck.
Even with all those things right in front of my face, I cannot fathom that kind of money and what it would look like.
Well, for starters we would have some dessert.
And I'd be jealous of those fuckers in Idaho with an extra 3 Wolf Moon t-shirt.
I'll throw in a few extra bucks so they can get Sarah Palin on that trip to outer space. Assuming it is one way. Also if they install cameras and have a live feed on C-SPAN. I wanna see the space-madness carnage!
I am not at all upset that they lost that money.
The only way I'd feel sorry for BP is if we threw them all in the gulf to plug the hole.
Lucky them we're domesticated.
I would not feel sorry for them then either.
I would only feel bad if their children went without food or something.
But they have so much money that that just isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 22, 2010, 05:34:59 PM
The only way I'd feel sorry for BP is if we threw them all in the gulf to plug the hole.
Lucky them we're domesticated.
I wouldn't.
-Suu
Oooga fucking booga. *scratches armpit*
It gets better children. BP is the majority owner of the Alaskan Pipeline.
http://www.adn.com/2009/01/05/643606/pipeline-rate-increase-cases-coming.html
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- In a blow to drivers already struggling with high gasoline prices, BP was forced to shut about 8 percent of the nation's domestic oil production for what seems to be a period of weeks after discovering "unexpectedly severe corrosion" in its pipelines in Alaska.
BP announced early Monday that the pipeline problems had caused it to begin the first shutdown ever in the biggest oilfield in the United States, Alaska's Prudhoe Bay. (Video:BP spokesman comments)
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Part of the pipeline that ruptured in March leading to the worst spill on Alaska's North Slope. BP began shutting down Prudhoe Bay after it discovered a small spill and more than a dozen sections of severe corrosion on other pipelines in its field.
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http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/07/news/international/oil_alaska/index.htm?cnn=yes
I love this decade.
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 26, 2010, 12:47:28 AM
It gets better children. BP is the majority owner of the Alaskan Pipeline.
http://www.adn.com/2009/01/05/643606/pipeline-rate-increase-cases-coming.html
At the risk of sounding like a paranoid conspiracy theorist....
Imma gonna guess there are all kinds of mishaps with the Alaskan pipeline that we've never heard about. Alaska is hella big and I imagine there are huge swaths of it that only oil people see on any kind of regular basis.
That's probably true, to an unknown degree.
Quote from: RWHN on July 26, 2010, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 26, 2010, 12:47:28 AM
It gets better children. BP is the majority owner of the Alaskan Pipeline.
http://www.adn.com/2009/01/05/643606/pipeline-rate-increase-cases-coming.html
At the risk of sounding like a paranoid conspiracy theorist....
Imma gonna guess there are all kinds of mishaps with the Alaskan pipeline that we've never heard about. Alaska is hella big and I imagine there are huge swaths of it that only oil people see on any kind of regular basis.
OTOH maintenance budgets have been slashed by millions. Sound familiar?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/26/AR2010072603042.html
QuoteTony Hayward is about to get his life back. According to multiple news reports, the embattled CEO is expected to step down after the board discusses and approves his exit in a meeting today. One of the biggest questions many will be asking: What took them so long?
The scapegoat has been sent into the wilderness. May the Lord have mercy on our souls!
Oh poor Tony, retiring to live on savings and stock options.
I hope he chokes on a sewing needle.
I heard he was being banished, er reassigned, to Siberia.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 27, 2010, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2010, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Cosine 5 on June 27, 2010, 06:01:03 PM
It still bothers me that the politics behind the oil spill are harder to clean up than the oil spill itself.
It just takes a long time to pin the blame on someone, is all.
Hayward is going to be the scapegoat if/when it finally gets capped. He'll get a huge golden parachute and they'll bring in some young executive to apologize profusely. And no, we don't need to do anything about the regulation system. We really learned our lesson this time, now let's get back to drilling a mile below the ocean. There's no way this could happen twice. Trust us.
Good call. Iason wins an internets.
Meanwhile the Vice President, in charge of workplace safety, still has his job.
BP's safety policies are a shining example of bureaucratic obfuscation and redundant safety policies for the express purpose of masking oversight and corner-cutting. Many oil companies with significant offshore investments have a system where filling out accident or near-miss reports nets one a bonus at the end of the time on the rig. It's a bribe to keep up appearances while the guys in the office sit back and figure out how much work they can avoid.
Let's also not forget that some of the dumbest, most ineffective people I've ever met personally were white-collar management-types all throughout the offshore business. But maybe that's just naivete and I just haven't met that many people in my life yet. :x
Hayward is officially out (http://www.cnbc.com/id/38423142)
Meet the new boss, Bob Dudley. He's an American. Starts his job on Oct 1.
Does this mean idiots will stop bitching about Britain's role in the oil spill?
Also, BP stocks are currently near worthless, so Hayward will have to rely on whatever he has stashed away over the years. Still a pretty sum, but not as good as a guaranteed income from a major oil companies' stocks.
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
Does this mean idiots will stop bitching about Britain's role in the oil spill?
Knowing Americans, no.
They will just write to the new guy and ask why the Brit DID IT ALL WRONG
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 27, 2010, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
Does this mean idiots will stop bitching about Britain's role in the oil spill?
Knowing Americans, no.
They will just write to the new guy and ask why the Brit DID IT ALL WRONG
Yep, every other phrase out of your average bayou-dweller these days is "fuck da BP!"
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
Also, BP stocks are currently near worthless, so Hayward will have to rely on whatever he has stashed away over the years. Still a pretty sum, but not as good as a guaranteed income from a major oil companies' stocks.
they said on NPR that his pension will be three quarter million a year....
i don't think he'll have to scrimp by on his stashed away pennies...
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
Does this mean idiots will stop bitching about Britain's role in the oil spill?
Also, BP stocks are currently near worthless, so Hayward will have to rely on whatever he has stashed away over the years. Still a pretty sum, but not as good as a guaranteed income from a major oil companies' stocks.
He'd be a retard not to have stock in other companies as well, knowing that BP's long term success wasn't a sure thing.
BATTLE CREEK, Mich. – Federal officials now estimate that more than 1 million gallons of oil may have spilled into a major river in southern Michigan, and the governor is sharply criticizing clean-up efforts as "wholly inadequate."
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency released the update Wednesday night, shortly after Gov. Jennifer Granholm lambasted attempts to contain the oil flowing down the Kalamazoo River. She warned of a "tragedy of historic proportions" if the oil reaches Lake Michigan, which is still at least 80 miles downstream from where oil has been seen.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100729/ap_on_bi_ge/us_michigan_river_oil_spill
christ
ok, something's going on here cause there's just too much oil spilling at once all over for these to be a coincidence
Isn't Battle Creek where they make all of the Kellogg's cereals?
:omg:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 29, 2010, 05:00:06 PM
christ
ok, something's going on here cause there's just too much oil spilling at once all over for these to be a coincidence
Don't forget about Alyeska Pump Station 9, controlled by BP. http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/26/video-the-next-oil-spill/?iref=allsearch
And the rest of the Alaska pipeline. Of which BP owns 46%. http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/25/alaska.pipeline.safety/index.html?iref=allsearch
Aren't I just a big bowl of fun?
It can be one of two things, Turdley. Either
1) All of a sudden pipelines and rigs are blowing up and gushing oil,
2) The media is trying to bring what are everyday occurrences (which is :x) to our attention since our collective attention span is on leaky oil, or something ridiculous and unlikely such as
3) There's an elaborate conspiracy to destroy the oil business from within, or everything is falling apart.
2 seems most likely, IMO. It's pretty much how the media works plus, you know how the regulators have been...
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 29, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
It can be one of two things, Turdley. Either
1) All of a sudden pipelines and rigs are blowing up and gushing oil,
2) The media is trying to bring what are everyday occurrences (which is :x) to our attention since our collective attention span is on leaky oil, or something ridiculous and unlikely such as
3) There's an elaborate conspiracy to destroy the oil business from within, or everything is falling apart.
The pipelines are over 30 years old and are suffering from 'deferred' maintenance. Read cutting costs to drive up share value.
According to pipeline critics, those cuts could endanger the entire system and one day lead to a spill that would shatter Alaska's fragile ecosystems.
"There's incident after incident within the last six months (that) might seem like small things, but when you put them all together, in a relatively short period of time, it really tells you how poorly this pipeline is being maintained," Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Michigan, told CNN in an interview to air on tonigh't "AC360"
Stupak said the biggest and most troubling incident by far was a shutdown of the pipeline caused when both the main power and the backup power failed during a routine systems test at a spot called Pump Station 9, about 10 miles from Delta Junction. It's one of 12 pumping stations between Prudhoe Bay on Alaska's North Slope and the oil terminus at Valdez.
The Oil is Revolting!
:lulz:
Florida beaches are clear! Our microbes ate teh oilz.
Quote from: Suu on July 29, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
Florida beaches are clear! Our microbes ate teh oilz.
That's what they want you to think.
Don't get that water in your mouth. You might hommorage.
It hasn't come this far south anyway but I don't think I'm going to the beach anyway. I just got out of a lake with big ass gators though. :|
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 30, 2010, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 29, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
Florida beaches are clear! Our microbes ate teh oilz.
That's what they want you to think.
Don't get that water in your mouth. You might hommorage.
:? what the hell is that word???
I meant hemorrhage
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 30, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 30, 2010, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 29, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
Florida beaches are clear! Our microbes ate teh oilz.
That's what they want you to think.
Don't get that water in your mouth. You might hommorage.
:? what the hell is that word???
I meant hemorrhage
HOMO RAGE
this article was in the guardian the other day about the chemicql dispersants being used in the Gulf Of Mexico, and is kind of alarming on a long term ecological view.
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20100804/dispersants-used-gulf-under-fire-uncontrolled-experiment
Bump.
BP are suing Halliburton for the full costs of the oil spill, estimated to be $42 billion.
http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16141240
They've also claimed that Halliburton destroyed test results which proved the cement used to be unsuitable.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2012/01/03/BP-sues-Halliburton-for-Deepwater-spill/UPI-98991325596727
My personal favorite bit of commentary on this though...
Quote from: SkyMarkets reacted to the news with BP share prices opening up 1% on the first trading day since the new year holiday break.
Which implies that markets think there's some chance of BP managing to pull this off. I can only imagine the reaction if BP manages to take a bite out of Hallburton and get off without paying a cent, after all the outrage at them specifically.