QuoteOBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.
A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.
The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.
Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.
The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html
:lulz:
Firefighters?
Socialism.
Where is your political ideology house now?
The guy is responsible because he didn't pay his fee... and he admitted that in the interview...
The firemen are responsible because they are humans and chose (orders notwithstanding) not to help.
Stupid Humans.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 06:38:01 PM
The guy is responsible because he didn't pay his fee... and he admitted that in the interview...
The firemen are responsible because they are humans and chose (orders notwithstanding) not to help.
The fire is responsible because it ate the whole house.
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
Quote from: Psychonomaly on October 07, 2010, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 06:38:01 PM
The guy is responsible because he didn't pay his fee... and he admitted that in the interview...
The firemen are responsible because they are humans and chose (orders notwithstanding) not to help.
The fire is responsible because it ate the whole house.
Or at least the Son that was burning garbage next to the mobile home...
:lulz:
Give that they probally didn't pay for a few years its probally more then seventy five.
Whoa this is popping up all over the place. And just as my 2 bits: Dude's stupid for assuming he'll get a service he didn't pay for, County's stupid for not taxing to maintain a fire department, mayor and fire chief are stupid for withholding service.
To sum up: People are stupid.
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 06:48:49 PM
Give that they probally didn't pay for a few years its probally more then seventy five.
He only needed their service this year though.
It can't have been a tenth the worth of the house, still.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
It can't have been a tenth the worth of the house, still.
It was a mobile home.... so Maybe. :lulz:
I take it back.
But there should still be laws in place to protect houses. Paid or no, they're worth too much to just let go like that. Even after the housing bubble popped.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:58:45 PM
I take it back.
But there should still be laws in place to protect houses. Paid or no, they're worth too much to just let go like that. Even after the housing bubble popped.
I agree that the house should have been protected... but mostly because the firemen should have behaved like human beings.
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
Also a good reason to have saved the house.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
It can't have been a tenth the worth of the house, still.
It was a mobile home.... so Maybe. :lulz:
It was also family photographs, heirlooms, and a million other things that help make up a life.
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
oh you
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
oh you
Now all we need to do is privatize the police and military. :)
Ooh, how I love a shogunate!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
oh you
Now all we need to do is privatize the police and military. :)
Blackwater in New Orleans?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
It can't have been a tenth the worth of the house, still.
It was a mobile home.... so Maybe. :lulz:
Mine cost me $32,000.
Just sayin'
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
oh you
Now all we need to do is privatize the police and military. :)
Blackwater in New Orleans?
Naw, the whole thing. Prvatize everything, and we'll ALL have happy endings like this story.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
Just remarking on the happy endings the free market has brought this family, is all.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
:D
Seriously, fuck off.
I'm confused. Why didn't the son simply rationally understand that this was merely the result of market forces at work? I'm sure most people would behave in a much more level-headed fashion under the circumstances.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
I'm confused. Why didn't the son simply rationally understand that this was merely the result of market forces at work? I'm sure most people would behave in a much more level-headed fashion under the circumstances.
Your use of sarcasm is setting off Dipshit's trollometer.
I'm quite concerned about that, really.
/
:troll:
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
I'm quite concerned about that, really.
/
:troll:
Jeez, first you offend his religion, then you don't care?
You're a bad person. Something should be done.
Give me Liberty or give m... HOLY SHIT MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
:D
Seriously, fuck off.
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/543/foffv.jpg)
in T-minus 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..
we have Fuck Off!!
meh, I have to go back to work anyway.
be sure not to die in a fire while I'm gone. I'd be all torn up.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
:D
Seriously, fuck off.
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/543/foffv.jpg)
in T-minus 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..
we have Fuck Off!!
meh, I have to go back to work anyway.
be sure not to die in a fire while I'm gone. I'd be all torn up.
Don't hurry back, shitsack. We'll keep things under control until you slither back in. :)
Actually DP if you bothered to read the article, if his son had run inside the house instead of assaulting the fire cheif, they would have came and saved the house
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
:D
Seriously, fuck off.
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/543/foffv.jpg)
in T-minus 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..
we have Fuck Off!!
meh, I have to go back to work anyway.
be sure not to die in a fire while I'm gone. I'd be all torn up.
Don't hurry back, shitsack. We'll keep things under control until you slither back in. :)
I thought he was settling down. Guess not.
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 07:29:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
He set off my trollometer with that one.
Fuck you, punk. :)
:D
:D
Seriously, fuck off.
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/543/foffv.jpg)
in T-minus 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..
we have Fuck Off!!
meh, I have to go back to work anyway.
be sure not to die in a fire while I'm gone. I'd be all torn up.
Don't hurry back, shitsack. We'll keep things under control until you slither back in. :)
I thought he was settling down. Guess not.
He's not capable of it.
Too bad, but that image needs to be an emoticon. Seriously.
PD, where we always make the best use of our trolls.
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 07:31:47 PM
Too bad, but that image needs to be an emoticon. Seriously.
PD, where we always make the best use of our trolls.
It is.
:troll:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
Errr, he assaulted someone... what the hell does that have to do with libertarianism?
Just remarking on the happy endings the free market has brought this family, is all.
But this isn't an issue of the Free Market in any way shape or form. A Free Market in that situation would have had competing fire departments trying to get his business.
This is much more an issue of the lack of common decency on the part of the firefighters.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
I'm confused. Why didn't the son simply rationally understand that this was merely the result of market forces at work? I'm sure most people would behave in a much more level-headed fashion under the circumstances.
Of course not. The guy was upset, he lashed out, he got arrested. It happens everyday, all over the country... even in places where taxes cover the fire dept.
Sorry, I guess I haven't sen the fuck off switch before.
Also, he hasn't left, he's back to looking at this thread.
HOP TO IT, LIBERTARIAN BOY! THOSE LATTES AIN'T GONNA MAKE THEMSELVES!
(It is a well known fact that all libertarians are barristas, have been barristas, or aspire to be barristas. But not that all barristas are libertarians. The non-libertarian barristas are in a special hell for something really bad they did, and have to listen to endless monologues about Ayn Rand.)
*note to self, do nevar work at at a Coffee shop*
I think I would die if I had to listen to anything about or by Rand :vom:
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:38:26 PM
*note to self, do nevar work at at a Coffee shop*
I think I would die if I had to listen to anything about or by Rand :vom:
But on smoke breaks, you could hold your cigarettes backwards and talk about objectivism.
Just a side note, a mobile home can burn to the ground in 5 to 10 minutes, so I'm wondering how much home was left by the time the fire department even got there.
Also, if the customer hasn't paid, why even show up?
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Just a side note, a mobile home can burn to the ground in 5 to 10 minutes, so I'm wondering how much home was left by the time the fire department even got there.
Also, if the customer hasn't paid, why even show up?
For the BBQ.
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Just a side note, a mobile home can burn to the ground in 5 to 10 minutes, so I'm wondering how much home was left by the time the fire department even got there.
Also, if the customer hasn't paid, why even show up?
I think, and I could be remembering this wrong, that a nearby house caught on fire who's owner did pay the $75.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 07, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Just a side note, a mobile home can burn to the ground in 5 to 10 minutes, so I'm wondering how much home was left by the time the fire department even got there.
Also, if the customer hasn't paid, why even show up?
I think, and I could be remembering this wrong, that a nearby house caught on fire who's owner did pay the $75.
"Hi, we are your local fire department. We were just in the neighborhood and came by to watch your home burn to the ground!!! We would stop the fire like we did your neighbor's but you didn't pay for our services.
Got any marshmellows?"
NICE!
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 07, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Just a side note, a mobile home can burn to the ground in 5 to 10 minutes, so I'm wondering how much home was left by the time the fire department even got there.
Also, if the customer hasn't paid, why even show up?
I think, and I could be remembering this wrong, that a nearby house caught on fire who's owner did pay the $75.
This is what happened. Also, you'd figure those people would, ya know, put out the OTHER flaming house, just to keep it from spreading again, but... no.
Close, they came to the nearbye field of a someone who paid the voluntary tax :fnord:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:39:42 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 07:38:26 PM
*note to self, do nevar work at at a Coffee shop*
I think I would die if I had to listen to anything about or by Rand :vom:
But on smoke breaks, you could hold your cigarettes backwards and talk about objectivism.
Smoking a cigerette filter first is far preferable to discussing Objectivism ;-)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
Also, he hasn't left, he's back to looking at this thread.
HOP TO IT, LIBERTARIAN BOY! THOSE LATTES AIN'T GONNA MAKE THEMSELVES!
(It is a well known fact that all libertarians are barristas, have been barristas, or aspire to be barristas. But not that all barristas are libertarians. The non-libertarian barristas are in a special hell for something really bad they did, and have to listen to endless monologues about Ayn Rand.)
The only project I had pending was just given a cease and desist from the client because they realized they might have probably fucked up their drawings soooo
one more hour with you fine folks.
coffee anyone?
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:29:26 PM
Actually DP if you bothered to read the article, if his son had run inside the house instead of assaulting the fire chief, they would have came and saved the house and probally the person too
I take my coffee and tea with two lumps, good sir
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:29:26 PM
Actually DP if you bothered to read the article, if his son had run inside the house instead of assaulting the fire chief, they would have came and saved the house and probally the person too
I take my coffee and tea with two lumps, good sir
coming right up.
but um, I haven't made any comments on this event ITT.. all of mine were in that other thread.
Only the assault was covered in the other link
He lives in "unincorporate" property, the near by cities charged a vountary tax. To provide just this service. Why you offended he didn't get city services at his farm when he didn't pay for it? Your not a commie are you?
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
Only the assault was covered in the other link
He lives in "unincorporate" property, the near by cities charged a vountary tax. To provide just this service. Why you offended he didn't get city services at his farm when he didn't pay for it? Your not a commie are you?
im not offended he didn't get the service. not at all actually. you must have me confused with some other pickled vegetable..
was there a sour kraut posting ITT that I missed?
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
I read it, didn't think there was much more to contribute than I already did in the other thread where this came up.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Yep, this.
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Yep, this.
I didn't read the article well enough I guess.
Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right? And again, how much of the home was actually left? Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned. We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Yep, this.
I didn't read the article well enough I guess.
Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right? And again, how much of the home was actually left? Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned. We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.
Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.
The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.
I couldn't do it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 07, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/More-fallout-following-house-fire-104113489.html :lulz:
South Fulton police arrested one of Gene Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge. When officers arrived at the firehouse Wednesday, South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds was in an ambulance receiving medical treatment.
So now the kid is off to prison.
This is truly a libertarian paradise.
oh you
Now all we need to do is privatize the police and military. :)
You forgot Prisons. Without for-profit prisons, I don't know how we'll ever manage to privatize infrastructure.
I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?
Eh I'll shut up.
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 08, 2010, 12:16:48 AM
I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?
Eh I'll shut up.
Why would you do that? Is your opinion invalid?
Not to me it isn't.
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 08, 2010, 12:16:48 AM
I agree it is just awful the firemen sitting there watching. I just feel them showing up at all is just as horrendous. fucking rubbing salted glass in a cut yanno?
Eh I'll shut up.
As I understand it, they showed up, put out the other fire, then left. While they didn't stand around and watch the fucker burn, they are pretty reprehensible for not putting it out after it had already fucking spread once. And no need to shut up. Like Charley said, your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Yep, this.
I didn't read the article well enough I guess.
Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right? And again, how much of the home was actually left? Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned. We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.
Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.
The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.
I don't like what happened. I think that as human beings the firemen should have helped their fellow human being. For thousands of years people have helped put out fires, paid or not... but monstrous is a very harsh word. Its a volunteer fire dept., these guys risk their lives for free and would have risked their lives for this guy, if he or his family were in danger...
On the other hand, I am not a fireman and wouldn't just stand by and watch a house burn down if I could get a bucket and water to assist... even if the Fire Chief said "You can't help" I would have expected at least some of them to throw down their helmets and go help put out the fire. Apparently a number of firefighters felt bad afterward, so maybe they'd never been in the situation and failed to react in the short term, then realized they'd screwed up once they weren't in the middle of fighting a fire.
And what about the system that allowed it? It's monstrous that these guys are volunteers? That's how most rural fire depts. and paramedics operate. The town I grew up in had an all volunteer fire dept and they made money with Fish Fry Friday, Raffles etc and lots of other groups like the local VA, Masons, Knights of Pithia (or however that's spelled) would hold fund raisers. We never had an annual tax or fee, though. If the fire dept needed something volunteers would sometimes go door to door and ask for donations.
If the township was so spread out that basic community can't raise the money, I don't see a problem with requiring everyone to pay $75 a year to the Fire Dept. Given that the Dept claims to have a budget of $8000 a year, that's only 106 households so this guy was about 1% of their budget. Is it 'monstrous' that he reduced the budget for the township's fire protection by nearly 1%? Or is it monstrous that he was unsafe with his garbage fire and set his neighbor's house on fire?
I think the whole situation is unfortunate. I think that humans (firemen or not) should assist their fellow humans when emergencies arise. I even think that people should be happy to throw $75 into the pool so that their friends and neighbors have some protection from fire. But, I don't think the firemen, or the volunteer system is monstrous, I've known too many of them, including ones who died saving lives with no duty beyond that which they placed on themselves.
It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
Yep, this.
I didn't read the article well enough I guess.
Eh I still say if the person didn't pay then they shouldn't have gone out to begin with if they aren't going to take money on scene am I right? And again, how much of the home was actually left? Trailers burn really fast and I mean to the ground burned. We watched them do a training thing once and it was a really old trailer and it was ashes in 6 minutes.
Still, watching someone's home and everything they own burn up while you stand and watch is monstrous.
The system that allowed it is even more monstrous.
I don't like what happened. I think that as human beings the firemen should have helped their fellow human being. For thousands of years people have helped put out fires, paid or not... but monstrous is a very harsh word. Its a volunteer fire dept., these guys risk their lives for free and would have risked their lives for this guy, if he or his family were in danger...
On the other hand, I am not a fireman and wouldn't just stand by and watch a house burn down if I could get a bucket and water to assist... even if the Fire Chief said "You can't help" I would have expected at least some of them to throw down their helmets and go help put out the fire. Apparently a number of firefighters felt bad afterward, so maybe they'd never been in the situation and failed to react in the short term, then realized they'd screwed up once they weren't in the middle of fighting a fire.
And what about the system that allowed it? It's monstrous that these guys are volunteers? That's how most rural fire depts. and paramedics operate. The town I grew up in had an all volunteer fire dept and they made money with Fish Fry Friday, Raffles etc and lots of other groups like the local VA, Masons, Knights of Pithia (or however that's spelled) would hold fund raisers. We never had an annual tax or fee, though. If the fire dept needed something volunteers would sometimes go door to door and ask for donations.
If the township was so spread out that basic community can't raise the money, I don't see a problem with requiring everyone to pay $75 a year to the Fire Dept. Given that the Dept claims to have a budget of $8000 a year, that's only 106 households so this guy was about 1% of their budget. Is it 'monstrous' that he reduced the budget for the township's fire protection by nearly 1%? Or is it monstrous that he was unsafe with his garbage fire and set his neighbor's house on fire?
I think the whole situation is unfortunate. I think that humans (firemen or not) should assist their fellow humans when emergencies arise. I even think that people should be happy to throw $75 into the pool so that their friends and neighbors have some protection from fire. But, I don't think the firemen, or the volunteer system is monstrous, I've known too many of them, including ones who died saving lives with no duty beyond that which they placed on themselves.
I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.
Will address on Monday.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 08, 2010, 09:41:08 PM
It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.
how did the fire start in this instance? I never picked up that part.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 08, 2010, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 08, 2010, 09:41:08 PM
It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.
how did the fire start in this instance? I never picked up that part.
The guys grandson was burning trash next to the house.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 09:42:54 PM
I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.
Will address on Monday.
Cool, I look forward to it Dok :)
By no means is this an easy topic for any angle.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 08, 2010, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 08, 2010, 09:41:08 PM
It's a good thing fires aren't completely unpredictable and there's no chance in one getting out of even the firefighters control causing a complete catastrophe.
how did the fire start in this instance? I never picked up that part.
The guys grandson was burning trash next to the house.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 09:42:54 PM
I have a response to this that will clarify my position, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm too lazy to type it.
Will address on Monday.
Cool, I look forward to it Dok :)
By no means is this an easy topic for any angle.
so stupidity and negligence were involved instead of nature. This doesn't change what I think as the family didn't deserve to loose everything because their son didn't think the idea through.
it IS pretty damn stupid to burn anything near your house given the unpredictable nature of fire.
Terri and I had rented a house in a place the locals lovingly referred to as Roy Town. Roy owned 40 acres and there were several houses on the property, all rented out. Roy was local color and quite a guy. He lived in a silo. He lived in the silo because it's design prevented alien signals from penetrating his brain. Now this was important as he had been kidnapped by aliens previously. He wasn't crazy, and had a letter from a facility that even said so.
Everybody that lived there made us feel welcome as we spent the day moving all of our things in. Now, I won't say the place was a commune, but it had that feel to it, like we were all family. So Terri and I got all of our stuff stacked in the house and got ready to go to our dart league. Neither of us were very good at darts, but it was a beer league we enjoyed with our friends.
We were on our way home and saw all kinds of fire trucks and cop cars. As we got closed to home, we got closer to the fire trucks. With a sinking feeling I hurried to get there. I had made a joke earlier about it being our house, but Terri was pretty sure it was, she was right.
We pulled in and several things were readily obvious. The roof had burned off of our house. Our things were stacked in the yard. Our animals were nowhere to be seen.
Terri jumped out of the motor home screaming "My Babies!" One of the firemen ran over yelling and wanting to know if there were kids in there. Terri screamed, "No, My Babies!" I had to explain our babies were a dog and two cats.
One of the neighbors ran up and told us she had gotten the dog out, but they couldn't get the cats. They were also the ones who had taken out things out of the house. I ran in the house past the firemen who were trying to stop me.
I got to the living room yelling and both cats ran and jumped on me. They were terrified. They had hidden in a glass enclosed bookcase and neither one was hurt. A little smoke inhalation, but nothing serious.
Terri and I both calmed down knowing our animals were safe and almost all of our things were okay. I was walking around in the house with the fire inspector and he was staring at the wood burning stove. He said these things sure cause a lot of problems. I told him there wasn't even a fire in it.
I told him the furnace caused the fire and he responded by telling me he didn't know anything about furnaces, but he thought the wood burner had started the fire. I told him I didn't know anything about fire inspecting, but I did know there was no fire in the wood burner, and the wall above the furnace had burn marks all the way up.
The house had burned the roof off of it. All the walls were still standing. So, it was night, winter and cold. Our house had no roof or electricity. We did have a motor home though. Roy helped us clean off a concrete slab and I parked on it and we hooked up to electricity. We were set.
Now, the motor home was the only vehicle we had, and it was the only house we had. We were too poor to find another place. For six months Terri, a dog, two cats and myself lived in an eighteen foot motor home. Through a Colorado winter.
Every day we would drive our house to work, and every day we would drive back home and hook back up. Roy had already spent our rent so he offered to let us stay parked as long as we needed at no extra charge. We considered finding another house a few times, but we kept putting it off.
We loved that time we spent there that winter. We made some very good friends with the people that lived there. We still talk about those days with smiles on our faces. Roy even rebuilt the house, but he didn't finish it until we had already moved on.
Here is the good side of people. (from my book)
Excellent story, Charley. Down home that kind of thing would happen as well. I recall once the house next door to the fire dept building caught fire and they couldn't actually get to the trucks. By the time most of the volunteers had showed up though, neighbors had already torn down three different fences so the volunteers could drive through the back yards to get to the station.
Awesome story, Charley. Makes me think that there is a tiny bit of hope for humanity after all. :)
Thanks guys, Phox, there are a LOT of good people still. They usually get made fun of for being bumpkins.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Thanks guys, Phox, there are a LOT of good people still. They usually get made fun of for being bumpkins.
Unfortunately, I have met very few of them, and very many of the bad people. Its hard to trust people, when you've never found a reason to.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Thanks guys, Phox, there are a LOT of good people still. They usually get made fun of for being bumpkins.
Some of my best friends are
Bumpkins! :argh!:
Quote from: BadBeast on October 08, 2010, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Thanks guys, Phox, there are a LOT of good people still. They usually get made fun of for being bumpkins.
Some of my best friends are Bumpkins! :argh!:
I am a bumpkin.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on October 08, 2010, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 08, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Thanks guys, Phox, there are a LOT of good people still. They usually get made fun of for being bumpkins.
Some of my best friends are Bumpkins! :argh!:
I am a bumpkin.
I am a "Carrot cruncher". (Like a bumpkin, but with carrots instead of sheep)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 07, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
My biggest question in this whole thread are about the people who keep making comments and asking questions that don't make sense if you read the fucking article. It's a short article written at about a 4th-grade level, so fucking read it before making yourself look like an illiterate jackass with a stupid opinion.
But I treasure my stupid opinions. :sad:
Dok,
American.
:lulz:
I do know that if those people hadn't removed our stuff we would have lost irreplaceable photos and memories. We are forever grateful.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
IT'S LIKE
extortion
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 04:14:41 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
IT'S LIKE
extortion
Same thing.
'Or is it monstrous that he was unsafe with his garbage fire and set his neighbor's house field on fire?'
QuoteRichard Chestean designed the detailed plan in 1987. It would have given everyone in the county fire protection. County commissioners liked it and voted yes.
And then nothing happened for 23 years.
About two years ago, county leaders voted to scrap the whole thing and start over. The creator of the plan said county leaders ignored because no one could agree on how to fund it.
:fnord:
Latest talking point: Jesus would have let the house burn down. Discuss.
http://feeds.wonkette.com/click.phdo?i=5b9ce52f89b4ed2ed055516d3403a08f
QuoteAmerican Family Association blogger Bryan Fischer said a couple days back that letting that firefighters in Tennessee letting that house burn down was the "Christian thing" to do, and after we picked it up and it spread across the Internets, it turns out a lot of people, Christian and non-Christian, thought he was quite incorrect about that! But Fischer has come back on the blog to refute his communist critics, because he is CERTAIN Jesus likes to see His children suffer to make a point about government expenditure. "It's frankly odd to see the Christian community blame the fire department for something that was somebody else's fault. I'm used to hearing that from liberals, socialists, and Marxists, but not from followers of Christ." This guy is the best!
Quote
The left, of course, has grabbed the "What would Jesus do?" mantra – as if they really cared about anything Jesus would do – and used that as a cudgel. Friends in the faith community have likewise taken aim, saying that they too know what Jesus would do.
These people are idiots. Non-Christians put Jesus on the cross, and Christians need to read between the lines in their Bibles and discover it's actually just an older version of Atlas Shrugged. Jesus does not have compassion! He is a cold, calculating proponent of personal responsibility. DUH.
QuoteIt's a strange thing to hear evangelicals saying we ought to take resources without permission from responsible citizens (the ones who had been faithfully paying their fire protection premiums) and use them to bail out the irresponsible ones.
Yes, it is strange to hear evangelicals giving a cogent argument. By the way, Fischer, this fire department could have perhaps could have just charged the guy for their cost to save his house after the fact. But no, you're right, destroying his house and pets to make some Aesop-fable point is what Jesus would have wanted.
And once again, Fischer knows for sure what Jesus would have done if he was wearing a firefighter uniform standing by that burning house:
QuoteWell, as long as we're speculating on what Jesus would do in this situation, I'm as entitled as anyone.
What would Jesus do? That's easy. He'd tell Mr. Cranick, "Man up, accept full and total responsibility, and don't blame anybody but yourself for what happened. That's the Christian thing to do. And next time, Gene, pay the 75 bucks, all right?"
"Man up!" That's right! That is Jesus' favorite catch-phrase! "Lo, bros, when I see the most needy, I tell them to man up and have some personal responsibility. If you tell this to the needy too, you are serving me."
Your Lutheran-raised afternoon editor seems to remember something about a prodigal son and a son who was responsible. The point of that was that Jesus hated people who weren't careful with their firefighter fees, right? He would never forgive such a thing. God does not love and He does not forgive.
These people need a new God.
One that actually shares their lack of values.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 04:14:41 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
IT'S LIKE
extortion
How is a voluntary tax for a service any more extortion that what most of us pay as a required tax for the same service?
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 09, 2010, 06:50:49 PM
These people need a new God.
One that actually shares their lack of values.
:potd:
Damn that has been stuck in my brain since I read it!
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 09, 2010, 06:50:49 PM
These people need a new God.
One that actually shares their lack of values.
:mittens:
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 04:14:41 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
IT'S LIKE
extortion
How is a voluntary tax for a service any more extortion that what most of us pay as a required tax for the same service?
The required tax pays for services that are available to everyone, including people who don't pay taxes.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 11, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 04:14:41 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
75 dollars a year isn't much, but there should be a law that they'll still save your house, but give you a bigger bill if you haven't paid.
It's bad for the town's economy to let a house burn over seventy five dollars.
IT'S LIKE
oregon's education budget!
IT'S LIKE
extortion
How is a voluntary tax for a service any more extortion that what most of us pay as a required tax for the same service?
The required tax pays for services that are available to everyone, including people who don't pay taxes.
Yes, but that makes it no more or less extortion. Besides, everyone pays taxes (or registers that they don't make enough income and thus get covered that way).
I don't like the scenario, but the horror (for me) lies in the individual humans choice not to help their fellowman. As the fire dept is all volunteer, I'm happy they're putting out all the other fires without getting paid for risking their life. I don't see the need to exaggerate the situation into something monstrous or extortion. IF they were gonna let people burn in there, then hell yes it would be monstrous and extortion. As it is, I'd say its regretable and it was sad that these individual firemen allowed their chief to cowl them into not helping... but making it sound like the Mafia is just crazy.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, but that makes it no more or less extortion.
So change the constitution.
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, but that makes it no more or less extortion.
So change the constitution.
Huh?
Taxation is written right into the constitution as an allowed government power.
If you think it's a criminal act (extortion), then you should try to change the constitution, because right now it's legal.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, but that makes it no more or less extortion.
So change the constitution.
Huh?
Taxation is written right into the constitution as an allowed government power.
If you think it's a criminal act (extortion), then you should try to change the constitution, because right now it's legal.
Of course without taxes I suggest traveling by horse, since the roads are likely to be pretty shitty.
Myabe people should stop thinking of taxation as extortion or "DA GUMMIT TAKIN MAH MONEYZ" and view it as giving to charity.
Or "being patriotic". If you love your country so much, you should be proud to help keep it running.
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 11, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
Myabe people should stop thinking of taxation as extortion or "DA GUMMIT TAKIN MAH MONEYZ" and view it as giving to charity.
Or just part of functioning in society.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
Or "being patriotic". If you love your country so much, you should be proud to help keep it running.
The Roman patricians had a saying, "On me rests the state", concerning taxation.
By contrast, we have a pack of fat bastards who don't actually pay income tax (in any significant amount), crying that the big bad gubmint is putting the arm on them.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
Or "being patriotic". If you love your country so much, you should be proud to help keep it running.
yes, this. The "patriot" movement seems awfully hung up on the no taxation part of no taxation without representation.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 11, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, but that makes it no more or less extortion.
So change the constitution.
Huh?
Taxation is written right into the constitution as an allowed government power.
If you think it's a criminal act (extortion), then you should try to change the constitution, because right now it's legal.
I think you misunderstood my statement. I was saying that a voluntary payment for a services vs taxed for a service is the same in regards to 'extortion'. IE if one is extortion, so is the other. Personally I don't think either are extortion.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 11, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
Or "being patriotic". If you love your country so much, you should be proud to help keep it running.
yes, this. The "patriot" movement seems awfully hung up on the no taxation part of no taxation without representation.
That's because Sarah Palin told them they aren't represented unless they themselves get to make each decision.
This, of course, being the lady who thought the VP was in charge of the Senate.
I always see it as club membership dues.
Of course, I do have the legal right to reside and work in....uh, 28 (?) different countries, so, you know, leaving the club is a significantly easier option for me.