Or EVERYFUCKING THING IS MAGICAL EXCEPT YOUR FUCKING MAGICK YOU FUCKSTICKS.
Ok listen up, wipe the semen from your fucking eyes and for the love the gods and human decency brush your fucking teeth.
This rant is not for you fucks that will read it. You already know this or if you don't already fucking know this you can at least comprehend enough of it, unlike the fuckwickits with their candles and beating off looking at sigils.
This rant is for the retards that think that spanking their cock and jizzing all over some fucking freaky lines they scribbled all the fucking time is doing anything other than creating a wonderful feedback loop in their fuckign heads. Dude, you are sexually stimulating yourself looking at SHIT THAT ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN OR SHOULD FUCK. If you want to beatoff LOOK AT SOME FUCKINg PORN.
You want to learn really real fucking magic?
Grow the fuck up and go back to school and learn some fucking sciences. Real hard sciences, and you can stop fucking snicking at hard you shitweasels. But don't stop there. Science is cool. Math is cool. But they ARE JUST FUCKING MASTURBATION FOR THE BRAIN.
You need to fucking be able to apply this shit. THAT IS THE REAL FUCKING MAGIC. Science is like mythology. It tells how or why shit is way it is. Sure you can get an idea on how to fucking use these fucking ideas to do real shit, but that isn't science. That is technology.
How about this smegma face. I have with my pitiful level of education been able to effect more fucking change you have with all your beating off or candle fucking light or fucking prayer.
I can make shit with my FUCKING HANDS. I can make shit that makes that makes more fucking shit. Can you fucking do that? Can your fucking servitor do that? Will your personal fucking deity do that shit for you?
But hey check this shit out. If I throw some fucking special mud on a wheel into a fucking vase I just made something. And DUDE it was like all magical and shit, but if you went some fucking third-world potter he would be all dude wtf it's just a FUCKING POT MADE OF FUCKING CLAY.
If you want to get stoned and talk to the fucking radishes in your garden go for it, but come to me trying to sell me your fucking shit. I will punch you in your face with my VERY FUCKING REAL FIST STEAL YOUR POT SMOKE IT AND TELL YOUR GODDBEDAMNED RADISHES WHAT I DID TO THE TURNIPS!!!!!!
You can sit around smoking dope and getting high and stinking of patchouli all you fucking want, but when your fucking computer dies because you spilled essential oil all over it guess who is going to fix that shit for you? YOUR FUCKING GOD OR SOME GODDAMNED NERD?
And for every fucking candle you light to send healing "energy" to someone there is a fucking nurse, doctor and family helping that fucking person for real. All your candle does is make YOU feel better so you don't have to get your fat ass and DO SOMETHING.
So go DIE IN A FIRE.
Candles also smell nice
There's some major negative energy in this thread, man
MINE GOT, THIS MAN, HES ON A FUCKING ROLL TODAY
Quote from: Remington on January 27, 2011, 05:54:59 AM
There's some major negative energy in this thread, man
YEAH, LIKE WHOA BROOO, BAD VIBEEEEEEEEE :fnord: :fnord: :fnord:
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:hippie:
CHRIST, WHAT AN ASSHOLE.
Don't maek me get my Ki out, . . . . . . cuz I am liek, totally maghdjickal! I tapped Dark Magus, on teh shoulder! With my hooj, stiff Dick! (And that is dick, with a K! 'kay?) And he pooed his lickle gurly pantees.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 05:46:52 AM
Or EVERYFUCKING THING IS MAGICAL EXCEPT YOUR FUCKING MAGICK YOU FUCKSTICKS.
Ok listen up, wipe the semen from your fucking eyes and for the love the gods and human decency brush your fucking teeth.
This rant is not for you fucks that will read it. You already know this or if you don't already fucking know this you can at least comprehend enough of it, unlike the fuckwickits with their candles and beating off looking at sigils.
This rant is for the retards that think that spanking their cock and jizzing all over some fucking freaky lines they scribbled all the fucking time is doing anything other than creating a wonderful feedback loop in their fuckign heads. Dude, you are sexually stimulating yourself looking at SHIT THAT ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN OR SHOULD FUCK. If you want to beatoff LOOK AT SOME FUCKINg PORN.
You want to learn really real fucking magic?
Grow the fuck up and go back to school and learn some fucking sciences. Real hard sciences, and you can stop fucking snicking at hard you shitweasels. But don't stop there. Science is cool. Math is cool. But they ARE JUST FUCKING MASTURBATION FOR THE BRAIN.
You need to fucking be able to apply this shit. THAT IS THE REAL FUCKING MAGIC. Science is like mythology. It tells how or why shit is way it is. Sure you can get an idea on how to fucking use these fucking ideas to do real shit, but that isn't science. That is technology.
How about this smegma face. I have with my pitiful level of education been able to effect more fucking change you have with all your beating off or candle fucking light or fucking prayer.
I can make shit with my FUCKING HANDS. I can make shit that makes that makes more fucking shit. Can you fucking do that? Can your fucking servitor do that? Will your personal fucking deity do that shit for you?
But hey check this shit out. If I throw some fucking special mud on a wheel into a fucking vase I just made something. And DUDE it was like all magical and shit, but if you went some fucking third-world potter he would be all dude wtf it's just a FUCKING POT MADE OF FUCKING CLAY.
If you want to get stoned and talk to the fucking radishes in your garden go for it, but come to me trying to sell me your fucking shit. I will punch you in your face with my VERY FUCKING REAL FIST STEAL YOUR POT SMOKE IT AND TELL YOUR GODDBEDAMNED RADISHES WHAT I DID TO THE TURNIPS!!!!!!
You can sit around smoking dope and getting high and stinking of patchouli all you fucking want, but when your fucking computer dies because you spilled essential oil all over it guess who is going to fix that shit for you? YOUR FUCKING GOD OR SOME GODDAMNED NERD?
And for every fucking candle you light to send healing "energy" to someone there is a fucking nurse, doctor and family helping that fucking person for real. All your candle does is make YOU feel better so you don't have to get your fat ass and DO SOMETHING.
So go DIE IN A FIRE.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Am I the only one who thought this was funny as shit? :lulz:
Something something Chapel Perilous something Chorozon something impeccable warrior something.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 02:24:21 PM
Something something Chapel Perilous something Chorozon something impeccable warrior something.
Question that just occured: has anyone, anywhere, ever been described as "peccable"?
Quote from: Cain on January 27, 2011, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 02:24:21 PM
Something something Chapel Perilous something Chorozon something impeccable warrior something.
Question that just occured: has anyone, anywhere, ever been described as "peccable"?
If not, we should start now.
A good Discordian book name: "The Peccable Lessons"
I always saw magic as stage magic and magick as wankery/sigil/wicca/whatever magic or the traditional name given to superstitious naming of the unknown.
When did the K start, was that Pre Crowely or can I blame this on him too?
Quote from: Faust on January 27, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
I always saw magic as stage magic and magick as wankery/sigil/wicca/whatever magic or the traditional name given to superstitious naming of the unknown.
When did the K start, was that Pre Crowely or can I blame this on him too?
I think it may have started with him, but I seem to have forgotten a lot of the Crowley stuff I knew 5 years ago.
Crowley added the K for two reasons. One to separate it from stage magic and two to fuck with people.
I think a lot of 'magick' users, thelemics, crowleyites etc don't realize the level of mindfucking that Crowley was involved in.
And magick is spelled with a 'k' in the same way that 'tissue' is spelled "K-l-e-e-n-e-x", that adhesive bandage is spelled "B-a-n-d-A-i-d"... and in the same way that Cheezburger has a Z. Welcome to the world of memes.
though I must say I always love how hyperfocused the anti-magick rants are on jerking off. :lulz:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest wanking to a sigil. I've always read it as wanking, and then at the right moment looking at the sigil. Was that just me?
I'm TGRR, and I approve this message.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest wanking to a sigil. I've always read it as wanking, and then at the right moment looking at the sigil. Was that just me?
That's always why I find it so funny. If someone is just jerking off to a sigil, they're not doing anything I've read about. Even if someone is doing 'sigil magick' (read self inflicted memetic symbols) wanking is just one possible option, along with laughing for a solid five minutes, meditation, ritual etc etc etc... its just a way to 'slight of mind' yourself. But I don't come to PD.com for reasoned discussions based on facts, evidence or actual ideas... madijickal strawmen are so much more fun!!
:lulz:
ITT Arguing over the typeface of the newspaper.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
ITT Arguing over the typeface of the newspaper.
ARIEL MOTHERFUCKER!
OP: :lulz: + :mittens:
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest wanking to a sigil. I've always read it as wanking, and then at the right moment looking at the sigil. Was that just me?
But I don't come to PD.com for reasoned discussions based on facts, evidence or actual ideas... madijickal strawmen are so much more fun!!
:lulz:
Reason is a continuous and fragile process. It doesn't mix well. You start at "axiom" and end at "Hypothesis". You don't start with "magick", borrow a lot of concepts, and end with superficially plausable bare assertion. (As an aside, that process is exactly how you write decent Science Fiction). Liber Kaos and shit like that is useful only insofar as you can put it on the small shelf in the bathroom for when you're running low on toilet paper, and you already wiped on your standby copies of that Jehovah's Witness tract with the doofy lion and editions of "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology".
real magickians donut jerk off, they smoke saliva
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest wanking to a sigil. I've always read it as wanking, and then at the right moment looking at the sigil. Was that just me?
But I don't come to PD.com for reasoned discussions based on facts, evidence or actual ideas... madijickal strawmen are so much more fun!!
:lulz:
Reason is a continuous and fragile process. It doesn't mix well. You start at "axiom" and end at "Hypothesis". You don't start with "magick", borrow a lot of concepts, and end with superficially plausable bare assertion. (As an aside, that process is exactly how you write decent Science Fiction). Liber Kaos and shit like that is useful only insofar as you can put it on the small shelf in the bathroom for when you're running low on toilet paper, and you already wiped on your standby copies of that Jehovah's Witness tract with the doofy lion and editions of "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology".
You're missing the point...which is apparently only Ratatosk can ever discuss magic(k) in a reasonable way.
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 04:57:27 PM
real magickians donut jerk off, they smoke saliva
At least I only hallucinate pixies when I choose to. :lulz:
Trolling the 'wick is hilariously justified because the entire concept of "reasoned discussion of magick" is a contradiction in terms. If you believe you can cast spells, you have explicitly rejected empiricism and reason is a borrowed concept.
:mittens:
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest wanking to a sigil. I've always read it as wanking, and then at the right moment looking at the sigil. Was that just me?
But I don't come to PD.com for reasoned discussions based on facts, evidence or actual ideas... madijickal strawmen are so much more fun!!
:lulz:
Reason is a continuous and fragile process. It doesn't mix well. You start at "axiom" and end at "Hypothesis". You don't start with "magick", borrow a lot of concepts, and end with superficially plausable bare assertion. (As an aside, that process is exactly how you write decent Science Fiction). Liber Kaos and shit like that is useful only insofar as you can put it on the small shelf in the bathroom for when you're running low on toilet paper, and you already wiped on your standby copies of that Jehovah's Witness tract with the doofy lion and editions of "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology".
Who said reason had anything to do with it?
If I am doing something that requires reason, I don't use magic (or magick)... I use reason. If I'm concerned about understanding an observable, repeatable process, I'll use the scientific method. If I'm writing php code, I'll use logic...
If I'm playing with magick, I'll use magick.
Quote from: Cain on January 27, 2011, 05:01:21 PM
You're missing the point...which is apparently only Ratatosk can ever discuss magic(k) in a reasonable way.
Nah, anyone can, if they bother to investigate the topic. Its just obvious when people talk about it and they haven't. Just as I'm sure that anything I wrote on International Politics would sound like idiotic ramblings to you. I could talk about it intelligently, but only if I studied it, or investigated it deeply.
That being said, I will argue that my view of magick is probably more reasonable than a lot of the pro-magick crowd. However, I'm not alone in that, there are several people on this board that are as reasonable if not moreso in their views on the subject.
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 04:57:27 PM
real magickians donut jerk off, they smoke saliva
At least I only hallucinate pixies when I choose to. :lulz:
Trolling the 'wick is hilariously justified because the entire concept of "reasoned discussion of magick" is a contradiction in terms. If you believe you can cast spells, you have explicitly rejected empiricism and reason is a borrowed concept.
I agree with this 100%. If a person believes that they can cast a spell on someone, throw fireballs from their belly, communicate with the dead, communicate with psychic powers over thousands of miles (or from the next room)... they're doin it wrong. Not only are they doin it wrong, but they're falling for Crowley's mindfucks hook, line and sinker.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
ITT Arguing over the typeface of the newspaper.
Not really, you started a rant on magick and the negative shit we have seen of it and as with the threads that have come before people are discussing it. I would have thought you would have expected this really. Someone should write a rant about how we make basically the same arguments on this every time it comes up.
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 04:57:27 PM
real magickians donut jerk off, they smoke saliva
At least I only hallucinate pixies when I choose to. :lulz:
Trolling the 'wick is hilariously justified because the entire concept of "reasoned discussion of magick" is a contradiction in terms. If you believe you can cast spells, you have explicitly rejected empiricism and reason is a borrowed concept.
to me the k stands for knowledge
less hocus poke us and more :roflcake: science
ps MW hates the meme that it was Simon of Crete not Jesus on the cross :lulz:
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
ps MW hates the meme that it was Simon of Crete not Jesus on the cross :lulz:
As a wiccathiest, my eyes just rolled so far back in my head its not funny, stupid wiccsheeple.
Also, as a side note... the Internet is full of idiots that believe in Magick and psychic powerz and spells.... the Internet is also full of Discoordians that say "fnord" and babble incoherently. These two groups have much in common, they get the milk of the message, but not the meat (to steal from the Apostle Paul).
Quote from: RatatoskIf I'm playing with magick, I'll use magick.
Oh you mean like larping?
The only appropriate place for "Wicca" is preceding the phrase "-wicca-wild-wild-west"
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: RatatoskIf I'm playing with magick, I'll use magick.
Oh you mean like larping?
The only appropriate place for "Wicca" is preceding the phrase "-wicca-wild-wild-west"
Or if he is working on his own consciousness, or working on an artistic project, perhaps? Magic(k) is wonderful for helping jump start creative projects.
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
But like brainstorming is a word used by suits
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
I'm personally unconcerned with the impressions others hold about my beliefs. And, it is not an unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word magic from my perspective.
I am generally a very skeptical person, and I hold no illusions as to the purported supernatural element of "magick", except when I wish to use it for a project I am working on. When I am using magic, in that moment, I believe it completely and will not accept any sort of "normal" every day reason to enter the situation. That is a moment killer.
However,
after the fact, is a completely different matter. After the operation is over I am completely skeptical about it, and scrutinize every aspect of it. It's useful to me, so I use it when I need it. Why would I not use it simply because some people might jump to the erroneous conclusion that I believe in supernatural powers?
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
But like brainstorming is a word used by suits
Naah. It's "mind mapping" now. "Brainstorming" is offensive to epileptics. What's this about, by the by?
It's my personal opinion that the world is strange enough without believing in supernatural mummery OR mindfucking yourself.
But again, that's just my own personal belief.
As an aside, if anyone's involved in the manufacture or sale of toilet paper, I'm sorry I compared it to "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology". Nobody deserves that.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: RatatoskIf I'm playing with magick, I'll use magick.
Oh you mean like larping?
The only appropriate place for "Wicca" is preceding the phrase "-wicca-wild-wild-west"
Or if he is working on his own consciousness, or working on an artistic project, perhaps? Magic(k) is wonderful for helping jump start creative projects.
I rely on mania for that.
Quote from: Cain on January 27, 2011, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 02:24:21 PM
Something something Chapel Perilous something Chorozon something impeccable warrior something.
Question that just occured: has anyone, anywhere, ever been described as "peccable"?
I was attacked by a Penguin at Longleat when I was about 6, probably because, (according to my ex,) I just look so fucking peccable.
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
Well... that depends. If you read most "magic" books... from Crowley to Farber to Carroll and even back into the really old stuff like Abramelin... it very much ties to psychology, philosophy, self-mindfuckery and modification of the consciousness of the 'magician'. The paranormal perception tied to it is from people that don't read (or don't comprehend) what the authors are saying (or they just read Monte Cooks Arcana Unleashed).
I mean, we hang out at principiadiscordia.com, one of the more obvious URL's for 'discordianism'. Many discordians seem to hold pinealistic beliefs, does that mean we should seperate ourselves entirely from Discordianism, or does it just mean that there are idiots in any model?
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
Well... that depends. If you read most "magic" books... from Crowley to Farber to Carroll and even back into the really old stuff like Abramelin... it very much ties to psychology, philosophy, self-mindfuckery and modification of the consciousness of the 'magician'. The paranormal perception tied to it is from people that don't read (or don't comprehend) what the authors are saying (or they just read Monte Cooks Arcana Unleashed).
I mean, we hang out at principiadiscordia.com, one of the more obvious URL's for 'discordianism'. Many discordians seem to hold pinealistic beliefs, does that mean we should seperate ourselves entirely from Discordianism, or does it just mean that there are idiots in any model?
Why not just call it self-mindfuckery, then?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:36:23 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
Well... that depends. If you read most "magic" books... from Crowley to Farber to Carroll and even back into the really old stuff like Abramelin... it very much ties to psychology, philosophy, self-mindfuckery and modification of the consciousness of the 'magician'. The paranormal perception tied to it is from people that don't read (or don't comprehend) what the authors are saying (or they just read Monte Cooks Arcana Unleashed).
I mean, we hang out at principiadiscordia.com, one of the more obvious URL's for 'discordianism'. Many discordians seem to hold pinealistic beliefs, does that mean we should seperate ourselves entirely from Discordianism, or does it just mean that there are idiots in any model?
Why not just call it self-mindfuckery, then?
Because the word that was coined for it was magic. That word just got corrupted over time.
It only ties into psychology if you think Wilhelm Reich was right.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:36:23 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
But that's a really confusing and unnecessarily gratuitous use of the word "magic" and you shouldn't be at all surprised when people assume you hold paranormal beliefs. (Alan Moore is cool imho though)
Well... that depends. If you read most "magic" books... from Crowley to Farber to Carroll and even back into the really old stuff like Abramelin... it very much ties to psychology, philosophy, self-mindfuckery and modification of the consciousness of the 'magician'. The paranormal perception tied to it is from people that don't read (or don't comprehend) what the authors are saying (or they just read Monte Cooks Arcana Unleashed).
I mean, we hang out at principiadiscordia.com, one of the more obvious URL's for 'discordianism'. Many discordians seem to hold pinealistic beliefs, does that mean we should seperate ourselves entirely from Discordianism, or does it just mean that there are idiots in any model?
Why not just call it self-mindfuckery, then?
Because the word that was coined for it was magic. That word just got corrupted over time.
Pretty sure the word "magic" predates your model.
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
It only ties into psychology if you think Wilhelm Reich was right.
No.
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
It only ties into psychology if you think Wilhelm Reich was right.
:lulz: that is so full of incorrect I don't know where to begin...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:41:28 PM
Pretty sure the word "magic" predates your model.
Pretty sure it doesn't. Abramelin the Mage is pretty fucking old...
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 27, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
It only ties into psychology if you think Wilhelm Reich was right.
:lulz: that is so full of incorrect I don't know where to begin...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:41:28 PM
Pretty sure the word "magic" predates your model.
Pretty sure it doesn't. Abramelin the Mage is pretty fucking old...
Oh, well, in English, probably not. My bad, forget I said a word.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably
should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
I think that's where Crowley was going with the Magick... ironically.
kmagick? Magickk?
(No hate by the way fellas, I'm just playing.)
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
"Scientology".
Why not just call it "Sorcery"?
That's got a good, Scriptural history as a word, and can mean any of the various Dark Arts, from Tarot, Santeria, and Reiki, to Harry Potterism, Wicca, and Dungeons and Dragons.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
"Scientology".
POST
OF
THE
FUCKING
CENTURY! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
I think that's true to a point. Most 'magicians' that I respect use the term because words have meaning and impact, especially in mindfuckery and self-psychology. Nothing wrong with Props, as long as you realize that they are props.
The problems that incite these sorts of rants... generally involve people who don't realize that they're using props.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
"Scientology".
POST
OF
THE
FUCKING
CENTURY!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:ECH:
Can't call it that, or the Batshit Hubbardian Scientologists will sue!
Maybe just adopt Torquemada's progressive, non-sectarian approach, and burn the fucking lot. Scientologists especially. They're the worst. They're Alienists ffs! Heretics commit a crime against Mother Church, but Alienists commit a crime against the whole fucking species!
Quote from: BadBeast on January 27, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Can't call it that, or the Batshit Hubbardian Scientologists will sue!
Maybe just adopt Torquemada's progressive, non-sectarian approach, and burn the fucking lot. Scientologists especially. They're the worst. They're Alienists ffs! Heretics commit a crime against Mother Church, but Alienists commit a crime against the whole fucking species!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 27, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Can't call it that, or the Batshit Hubbardian Scientologists will sue!
Maybe just adopt Torquemada's progressive, non-sectarian approach, and burn the fucking lot. Scientologists especially. They're the worst. They're Alienists ffs! Heretics commit a crime against Mother Church, but Alienists commit a crime against the whole fucking species!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
ITT, BadBeast, Praying hard for guidance.
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
But isn't it our duty to dig up the roots of evil, wherever they might grow? Then burn the roots to the finest ash? :?
ETA< (Or maybe I'm just praying to the wrong Gods)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 27, 2011, 06:45:18 PM
My guess is that they knew something was going on, but didn't know what. They called the correlation between what they did and what they experienced "magic".
When it turned out to be "just" mindfuckery and self-psychology, most people wanted to keep believing it was something paranormal.
Yeah.
To be perfectly honest, it probably should have a different name. Shall we coin it?
"Scientology".
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
However, because they're repeatable, show the same results, and have solid methodology, they're probably the most scientific thing we do here.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 27, 2011, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
However, because they're repeatable, show the same results, and have solid methodology, they're probably the most scientific thing we do here.
:lulz:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 27, 2011, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
However, because they're repeatable, show the same results, and have solid methodology, they're probably the most scientific thing we do here.
Damn you, you made me choke on my lunch!!!
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
I thought this was a spelling thread.
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 27, 2011, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
These magick threads are just as much fun as libertarian, copyright, and drug threads.
However, because they're repeatable, show the same results, and have solid methodology, they're probably the most scientific thing we do here.
Damn you, you made me choke on my lunch!!!
:lulz:
Same.
:mittens:
OK WIPE THE FUCK SHIT FROM YOUR FUCKING EYES MY PUTRID ANAL SAUSAGES!!!!!!
Some of you fucks got your seatless unicycl crammed so far up your ass that you fucking think it's a motorcycle.
The gods forbid that one fucking insults magic. OMFGNOHEDIDNT. Did he just say that all chaos magick is spanking to squigglies? HE MUST NOT KNOW THE TRUTHS THAT I KNOW AND IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!
Suck the shit out of my toilet.
All your sigiling and dancing and smoking dope is just fucking masturbation. even if you don't have your junk in your fucking hand. You are doing something that feels good to do something that you think is going to effect change but only requires you to do something that feels good but not do anything Real so you can stay comfortably in your personal Web.
But Coyote, you whine,"I spend a lot fo time meditating and fasting and reading old books and making magical tools and I make all kinds of sacrificies. This isn't fun."
Bull shit.
Let me say it again.
BULL SHIT
All that work you put into your bullshit magic of what ever fucking flavor if it had been directed towards learning and practicing how SHIT REALLY WORKS you might be doing something instead of getting ass hurt that someone you don't know just called you a compulsive masturbator.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
OK WIPE THE FUCK SHIT FROM YOUR FUCKING EYES MY PUTRID ANAL SAUSAGES!!!!!!
Some of you fucks got your seatless unicycl crammed so far up your ass that you fucking think it's a motorcycle.
The gods forbid that one fucking insults magic. OMFGNOHEDIDNT. Did he just say that all chaos magick is spanking to squigglies? HE MUST NOT KNOW THE TRUTHS THAT I KNOW AND IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!
Suck the shit out of my toilet.
All your sigiling and dancing and smoking dope is just fucking masturbation. even if you don't have your junk in your fucking hand. You are doing something that feels good to do something that you think is going to effect change but only requires you to do something that feels good but not do anything Real so you can stay comfortably in your personal Web.
But Coyote, you whine,"I spend a lot fo time meditating and fasting and reading old books and making magical tools and I make all kinds of sacrificies. This isn't fun."
Bull shit.
Let me say it again.
BULL SHIT
All that work you put into your bullshit magic of what ever fucking flavor if it had been directed towards learning and practicing how SHIT REALLY WORKS you might be doing something instead of getting ass hurt that someone you don't know just called you a compulsive masturbator.
They're so cute when they're learning to rant. :lulz:
I think we're done here.
Good thread, nice plot arc. Would read again.
That was intense Coy, shame you can't get rants left up in MW. I'd pay good (Monopoly) Money to see their reaction to this. Maybe.
Quote from: BadBeast on January 27, 2011, 08:56:16 PM
That was intense Coy, shame you can't get rants left up in MW. I'd pay good (Monopoly) Money to see their reaction to this. Maybe.
Take Rat's reaction. Multiply by 9000. People don't like having their world veiw questioned.
Or insulted. :lulz:
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 27, 2011, 08:56:16 PM
That was intense Coy, shame you can't get rants left up in MW. I'd pay good (Monopoly) Money to see their reaction to this. Maybe.
Take Rat's reaction. Multiply by 9000. People don't like having their world veiw questioned.
Or insulted. :lulz:
I think you misread my reaction. I love to screw with people that really real for real believe in Magic as some kind of supernatural power. My problem is that your rant reads like someone that heard someone else rant about magick and then tried to imitate it.
For example:
Quotespanking their cock and jizzing all over some fucking freaky lines they scribbled
is nonsense.
QuoteGrow the fuck up and go back to school and learn some fucking sciences. Real hard sciences, and you can stop fucking snicking at hard you shitweasels. But don't stop there. Science is cool. Math is cool. But they ARE JUST FUCKING MASTURBATION FOR THE BRAIN.
You need to fucking be able to apply this shit. THAT IS THE REAL FUCKING MAGIC. Science is like mythology. It tells how or why shit is way it is. Sure you can get an idea on how to fucking use these fucking ideas to do real shit, but that isn't science. That is technology.
How about this smegma face. I have with my pitiful level of education been able to effect more fucking change you have with all your beating off or candle fucking light or fucking prayer.
Confuses two completely separate concepts. YES, some people think that magic will fix all of their problems... however, many other people use magic like a tool, and also use science, technology etc etc as tools as well... and they don't expect different tools to be used in the same way.
I LOVE watching dumbasses get their shit handed to them... but I don't think your rant is doing that. Like I said, it feels like you read other rants about magic and then just tried to remix...
Writing about what you know is good advice... even for rants.
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5082/23565699.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/23565699.jpg/)
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
Writing about what you know is good advice... even for rants.
I do know a fair bit on this subject, but thanks for playing. Obiviously you feel this somehow applies to your situation. In that case, I feel sorry for you.
"You know, that's really the core issue here," he added. "I bought the chaos magick books to enhance masturbation. Because what it does--Mike taught me this--drawing these sigils makes it so you don't ejaculate soon. So you can watch porn and masturbate for a long time."
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 27, 2011, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
Writing about what you know is good advice... even for rants.
I do know a fair bit on this subject, but thanks for playing. Obiviously you feel this somehow applies to your situation. In that case, I feel sorry for you.
Then rewrite your rant to reflect that :)
Rat, you know that polemics are mortally vulnerable to nuance. Give it a rest.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 28, 2011, 06:12:06 PM
Rat, you know that polemics are mortally vulnerable to nuance. Give it a rest.
Ok.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
It's my personal opinion that the world is strange enough without believing in supernatural mummery OR mindfucking yourself.
But again, that's just my own personal belief.
To quote Tim Minchin (who was purposefully misquoting Shakespeare):
"To guild refined gold,
to paint the lily,
to pour perfume on the violet,
is just fucking silly."
Quote from: ϗ on January 28, 2011, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
It's my personal opinion that the world is strange enough without believing in supernatural mummery OR mindfucking yourself.
But again, that's just my own personal belief.
To quote Tim Minchin (who was purposefully misquoting Shakespeare):
"To guild refined gold,
to paint the lily,
to pour perfume on the violet,
is just fucking silly."
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." - A. Crowley
:wink:
Guilding gold and painting lilies can be quite an experience.
The spelling there is "gilt". A "guild" is a thing with people.
A "Gilt" is a fresh run Atlantic Salmon. Which being a fish,
is "Gilled". Which sounds very like the word "Gild" which is the word "Guild" should have been.
(Sorry, my inner pedant is loose)
Quote from: BadBeast on February 03, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
A "Gilt" is a fresh run Atlantic Salmon. Which being a fish,
is "Gilled". Which sounds very like the word "Gild" which is the word "Guild" should have been.
(Sorry, my inner pedant is loose)
Wait... is gilt gold the same as gilded gilt and are they both gilled? Similarly, will you tell me whether it is proper to say the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?
Quote from: Doktor Phox on February 04, 2011, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 03, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
A "Gilt" is a fresh run Atlantic Salmon. Which being a fish,
is "Gilled". Which sounds very like the word "Gild" which is the word "Guild" should have been.
(Sorry, my inner pedant is loose)
Wait... is gilt gold the same as gilded gilt and are they both gilled? Similarly, will you tell me whether it is proper to say the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?
If you use gold to gild an article, the article can be described as being "Gilt". Gilding Gilt is, indeed just a thin layer of Gold, So Gilt Gold is the same as Gilded Gilt. Neither are Gilled.
And no, the phrase "the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?" is not proper. "Gild" is being used here as a verb, the wrong tense is being used, it should be "gilded". And you can't gild gold, that would be "Engoldening", and frankly, pointless.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on February 04, 2011, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 03, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
A "Gilt" is a fresh run Atlantic Salmon. Which being a fish,
is "Gilled". Which sounds very like the word "Gild" which is the word "Guild" should have been.
(Sorry, my inner pedant is loose)
Wait... is gilt gold the same as gilded gilt and are they both gilled? Similarly, will you tell me whether it is proper to say the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?
If you use gold to gild an article, the article can be described as being "Gilt". Gilding Gilt is, indeed just a thin layer of Gold, So Gilt Gold is the same as Gilded Gilt. Neither are Gilled.
And no, the phrase "the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?" is not proper. "Gild" is being used here as a verb, the wrong tense is being used, it should be "gilded". And you can't gild gold, that would be "Engoldening", and frankly, pointless.
:lulz:
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
C
UR
E F
OR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 02:55:40 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
CURE FOR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
FOR AIDS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 02:55:40 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
CURE FOR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
Never felt any need for self justification.
It's other people who don't get it that are the problem. What a man does in the privacy of his own pocket should be his own business!
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 12:37:19 AM
If you use gold to gild an article, the article can be described as being "Gilt". Gilding Gilt is, indeed just a thin layer of Gold, So Gilt Gold is the same as Gilded Gilt. Neither are Gilled.
And no, the phrase "the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?" is not proper. "Gild" is being used here as a verb, the wrong tense is being used, it should be "gilded". And you can't gild gold, that would be "Engoldening", and frankly, pointless.
:potd:
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 02:55:40 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
CURE FOR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
I suppose thats about as productive as the pink ribbon.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 02:55:40 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
CURE FOR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
But won't that backfire? I thought sigils and your subconscious and stuff didn't understand negatives so it just means that you'll get AIDS from wanking without the joys of buttsex.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 04, 2011, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 02:55:40 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 04, 2011, 12:56:49 AM
People are too hard on sigils. I mean, if your going to jerk-off you might as well pretend youre doing something productive.
What, in case you get caught?
(You said "Hard on")
No, its more a justification to yourself. Yeah I could be doing something useful like finding the cure for AIDS right now OR, I can do this:
CURE FOR AIDS
CURE FOR AIDS
CRFDS
^Rearrange and masturbate
Also,
lol Freud.
But won't that backfire? I thought sigils and your subconscious and stuff didn't understand negatives so it just means that you'll get AIDS from wanking without the joys of buttsex.
Dont think of it as AIDS, just think of it as weaponized semen.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 04, 2011, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on February 04, 2011, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 03, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
A "Gilt" is a fresh run Atlantic Salmon. Which being a fish,
is "Gilled". Which sounds very like the word "Gild" which is the word "Guild" should have been.
(Sorry, my inner pedant is loose)
Wait... is gilt gold the same as gilded gilt and are they both gilled? Similarly, will you tell me whether it is proper to say the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?
If you use gold to gild an article, the article can be described as being "Gilt". Gilding Gilt is, indeed just a thin layer of Gold, So Gilt Gold is the same as Gilded Gilt. Neither are Gilled.
And no, the phrase "the guild of gilled gilt gild gold?" is not proper. "Gild" is being used here as a verb, the wrong tense is being used, it should be "gilded". And you can't gild gold, that would be "Engoldening", and frankly, pointless.
:lulz:
FUCK YOUR SHIT OP! SPECIAL K IS THE BEST DRUG OF ALL TIME! DEFINITELY MAGICAL!