And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 02:32:35 AM
And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
I was so happy when he went to Starfleet Academy. Not for him. Just so he was off the Enterprise. I was even happier when his creepy friend the Traveller took him to
his sex dungeon a higher plane of existence forever in that episode when the Cardassians were going to kill all those Native American colonists.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 02:32:35 AM
And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
I was so happy when he went to Starfleet Academy. Not for him. Just so he was off the Enterprise. I was even happier when his creepy friend the Traveller took him to his sex dungeon a higher plane of existence forever in that episode when the Cardassians were going to kill all those Native American colonists.
Yeah, I know the one. Even Beverly was like "Oh well, off you go Wesley". Worf almost smiled. But the constant urge pull his head off, and shit down his neckstump must have been almost impossible to control. Even Q thought he was a tosser. And I could tell really Jean-Luc wanted to chuck him out of the nearest airlock, but had to pretend to like him, or he couldn't have slobbered all over Beverly like he did.
And I don't think the Klingons wanted to kill the Native Americans at all, but they needed to know exactly where the Federation drew the line on this one. And they fanny about with that Prime Directive so much, how is a Klingon supposed to have any respect for them?
I think "The Traveller" was really Q, doing a favour for Jean Luc, and getting rid of the toadying little fuck once and for all. And to be honest, Beverly looked relieved when he went. Even Data perked up, Riker
got even more smugged up behind his bog brush beard, because he had his beloved Captain back to himself again. "Make it so, #1"
"Fap, to the Cap, "Ooh yes Captain" "I am Locutus, of Borg, you will be assimilated" Resistanc. . . ."
"Is futile, we know, take me first, Captain, take me, you bad, bad Borg you"
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 02:32:35 AM
And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
I was so happy when he went to Starfleet Academy. Not for him. Just so he was off the Enterprise. I was even happier when his creepy friend the Traveller took him to his sex dungeon a higher plane of existence forever in that episode when the Cardassians were going to kill all those Native American colonists.
HAHAHAHA. I just watched that last night.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 03:16:21 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 02:32:35 AM
And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
I was so happy when he went to Starfleet Academy. Not for him. Just so he was off the Enterprise. I was even happier when his creepy friend the Traveller took him to his sex dungeon a higher plane of existence forever in that episode when the Cardassians were going to kill all those Native American colonists.
Yeah, I know the one. Even Beverly was like "Oh well, off you go Wesley". Worf almost smiled. But the constant urge pull his head off, and shit down his neckstump must have been almost impossible to control. Even Q thought he was a tosser. And I could tell really Jean-Luc wanted to chuck him out of the nearest airlock, but had to pretend to like him, or he couldn't have slobbered all over Beverly like he did.
And I don't think the Klingons wanted to kill the Native Americans at all, but they needed to know exactly where the Federation drew the line on this one. And they fanny about with that Prime Directive so much, how is a Klingon supposed to have any respect for them?
I think "The Traveller" was really Q, doing a favour for Jean Luc, and getting rid of the toadying little fuck once and for all. And to be honest, Beverly looked relieved when he went. Even Data perked up, Riker
got even more smugged up behind his bog brush beard, because he had his beloved Captain back to himself again. "Make it so, #1"
"Fap, to the Cap, "Ooh yes Captain" "I am Locutus, of Borg, you will be assimilated" Resistanc. . . ."
"Is futile, we know, take me first, Captain, take me, you bad, bad Borg you"
Cardassians, not Klingons. Actually, I think that may be one of the first intros of the Cardassians. Wait no, I'm wrong. They were introduced when O'Brien's old Capt. went crazy, and they had an Irish drinking song together.
However, I agree with the whole rest of this post.
Also bear in mind I was probably 14 when that episode first aired and I was like, "Thank fucking Jesus Roddenberry"
Quote from: Telarus on February 05, 2011, 03:26:41 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 02:32:35 AM
And also, I remember reading somewhere that lightspeed isn't even a constant, as it travels at different speeds, through
different mediums. So what we are using for light years, may actually only be light moments. And because of the the infinitely ineffable dimensions of the Uni/Multi verse, any system we attempt to quantify Time or Distance with on such a scale is meaningless. And distracting. And far too confusing to try and apply to our little pinpoint of existence. But the Wormhole/Stargate analogy works for Star Trek, Farscape Babylon 5 etc, and I think it's the way to go.
As long as Wesley Crusher isn't involved at all, it should all work out in the end.
I was so happy when he went to Starfleet Academy. Not for him. Just so he was off the Enterprise. I was even happier when his creepy friend the Traveller took him to his sex dungeon a higher plane of existence forever in that episode when the Cardassians were going to kill all those Native American colonists.
HAHAHAHA. I just watched that last night.
What a delightful bit of synchronicity :lulz:
I'm actually in the process of rewatching the whole series (TNG) with Villager (she never saw it first time around). We just saw the two parter with the Klingon Civil War.
I'm doing the same with my girl's 11 yr old son. Damn, we burned through the first 6 seasons quick.
I think that the Traveler was Q, as well.
Yeah, Cardassians! I kept thinking Klingon, because Worf was "handling" the Security. I always liked the Cardassians. Much more than the Beijorans. If it wasn't for the fact Beijor is the key to the Wormhole, they'd still be grubbing in the dirt, getting analy probed by Ferengi sex tourists, like the pre-industrial subsistance farming, homespun hippys they are. When Nurse Ratchet turned up as Vedic Wyn was the last straw. I'm glad Gul Ducat came back as her Beijoran loverboy, and fed her to the Pah Wraiths! Stanky old bitch.
Quote from: Telarus on February 05, 2011, 03:50:34 AM
I'm doing the same with my girl's 11 yr old son. Damn, we burned through the first 6 seasons quick.
I think that the Traveler was Q, as well.
It's awesome watching it the next time through and knowing what comes next. That way you can point out things like, "ok you see that Romulan chick silhouette? Pay attention to that voice. And also.... no, I'll remind you of that episode when you see her (Denise Crosby)" Villager has had the misfortune of mainly watching horror films growing up where I was more of a Sci-Fi dork. I am regularly horrified by what she has not seen. TNG being a very glaring one.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 04:03:51 AM
Yeah, Cardassians! I kept thinking Klingon, because Worf was "handling" the Security. I always liked the Cardassians. Much more than the Beijorans. If it wasn't for the fact Beijor is the key to the Wormhole, they'd still be grubbing in the dirt, getting analy probed by Ferengi sex tourists, like the pre-industrial subsistance farming, homespun hippys they are. When Nurse Ratchet turned up as Vedic Wyn was the last straw. I'm glad Gul Ducat came back as her Beijoran loverboy, and fed her to the Pah Wraiths! Stanky old bitch.
Spoonheads were pretty interesting, and definitely more than Bajorans. Klingons are always cooler though, whether they are the friends of the Federation or not. I can see where the confusion came in. Weird foreheads, intriguing culture. :)
Also, Traveller =/= Q
Traveller was this weird creepy guy who was always smiling. And it was this bizarre blissful smile.
Q was a badass, a hardass, and a delightfully annoyingass who always pushed humanity to be better and held them to be accountable for their past.
Traveller is that weird Krishna/Jesus guy you see on public transportation with the weird smile.
Q is George Carlin.
I like the smouldering sexual tension between Kira, and Gul Dukat. She so would! He knows it, she knows it, everyone knows it. Nobody ever mentions it. Can't have the fearless resistance fighter falling for the Camp Commandant. And he milks it whenever he can. Worse than the Doctor and the Chief, those two!
And yeah, DJO, Fucking hilarious. Who said Canadians weren't funny?
"I'm a big chocolate slut" :lulz:
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
ATTN. OLD DUDE: TNG IS STAR TREK. Hate to burst your bubble but Stewart is way more awesome than Shitner. Sorry, but this is a universal constant. Shitner will always be < Stewart.
Really if you want to see bad acting, see William Shatner. All due respect, but it's like holding a candle to a nuke. we all hate Frenchman, and we hate Englishmen pretending to be Frenchmen even more, but goddamn, Jean-Luc Picard is more awesome than all of PD.com hands down.
Let the jihad begin.
I thought DS9 was the days of our lives in space one?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 05, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
I thought DS9 was the days of our lives in space one?
DS9 sucked until they got Worf.
Voyager sucked until they got rid of Kes. Then they were ok, then they got 7, and the nerds who never got laid rejoiced.
Enterprise, well, that had promise.... but just didn't happen.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 04:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
ATTN. OLD DUDE: TNG IS STAR TREK. Hate to burst your bubble but Stewart is way more awesome than Shitner. Sorry, but this is a universal constant. Shitner will always be < Stewart.
Really if you want to see bad acting, see William Shatner. All due respect, but it's like holding a candle to a nuke. we all hate Frenchman, and we hate Englishmen pretending to be Frenchmen even more, but goddamn, Jean-Luc Picard is more awesome than all of PD.com hands down.
Let the jihad begin.
The fact that an Irishman is voicing this opinion is proof that it isn't correct.
That is all.
TGRR,
Knows that space is full of Scotsmen, they left the Irish to drunkenly punch themselves to death back on Earth.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 05, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
I thought DS9 was the days of our lives in space one?
DS9 never happened. Well, the first episodes might have, where everything was broken and the maintenance geeks were constantly bitching.
But then the aliens that looked like alligators ate everyone. The rest of the series NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 04:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
ATTN. OLD DUDE: TNG IS STAR TREK. Hate to burst your bubble but Stewart is way more awesome than Shitner. Sorry, but this is a universal constant. Shitner will always be < Stewart.
Really if you want to see bad acting, see William Shatner. All due respect, but it's like holding a candle to a nuke. we all hate Frenchman, and we hate Englishmen pretending to be Frenchmen even more, but goddamn, Jean-Luc Picard is more awesome than all of PD.com hands down.
Let the jihad begin.
The fact that an Irishman is voicing this opinion is proof that it isn't correct.
That is all.
TGRR,
Knows that space is full of Scotsmen, they left the Irish to drunkenly punch themselves to death back on Earth.
:dork
Ok, what about Crewman, what was his name, Riley? They made a big deal out of him being Irish.
Scotty? He would have worn a skirt if the Federation let him.
Miles O'Brien? Second most represented Star Trek character in all of Star Trek History (after Worf, who is an honorary Irishman, owing to the fact he is Klingon, notwisthstanding he was raised in Belarus)
:/dork
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Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 05:22:39 AM
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Nobody's throwing a gasoline bomb. I call photoshop shennanigans.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:04:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 04:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
ATTN. OLD DUDE: TNG IS STAR TREK. Hate to burst your bubble but Stewart is way more awesome than Shitner. Sorry, but this is a universal constant. Shitner will always be < Stewart.
Really if you want to see bad acting, see William Shatner. All due respect, but it's like holding a candle to a nuke. we all hate Frenchman, and we hate Englishmen pretending to be Frenchmen even more, but goddamn, Jean-Luc Picard is more awesome than all of PD.com hands down.
Let the jihad begin.
The fact that an Irishman is voicing this opinion is proof that it isn't correct.
That is all.
TGRR,
Knows that space is full of Scotsmen, they left the Irish to drunkenly punch themselves to death back on Earth.
:dork
Ok, what about Crewman, what was his name, Riley? They made a big deal out of him being Irish.
Scotty? He would have worn a skirt if the Federation let him.
Miles O'Brien? Second most represented Star Trek character in all of Star Trek History (after Worf, who is an honorary Irishman, owing to the fact he is Klingon, notwisthstanding he was raised in Belarus)
:/dork
I think we've established that TNG doesn't count.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:28:30 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:04:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 04:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
ATTN, LESSER MORTALS: Star Trek TNG wasn't Star Trek. It was Days of Our Lives in space. REAL Star Trek was Gunsmoke in space. Also, Shatner.
That is all. You may now return to your cheap knock-off, badly written crap about a warship with a 12 year old at the helm.
ATTN. OLD DUDE: TNG IS STAR TREK. Hate to burst your bubble but Stewart is way more awesome than Shitner. Sorry, but this is a universal constant. Shitner will always be < Stewart.
Really if you want to see bad acting, see William Shatner. All due respect, but it's like holding a candle to a nuke. we all hate Frenchman, and we hate Englishmen pretending to be Frenchmen even more, but goddamn, Jean-Luc Picard is more awesome than all of PD.com hands down.
Let the jihad begin.
The fact that an Irishman is voicing this opinion is proof that it isn't correct.
That is all.
TGRR,
Knows that space is full of Scotsmen, they left the Irish to drunkenly punch themselves to death back on Earth.
:dork
Ok, what about Crewman, what was his name, Riley? They made a big deal out of him being Irish.
Scotty? He would have worn a skirt if the Federation let him.
Miles O'Brien? Second most represented Star Trek character in all of Star Trek History (after Worf, who is an honorary Irishman, owing to the fact he is Klingon, notwisthstanding he was raised in Belarus)
:/dork
I think we've established that TNG doesn't count.
TNG counts more simply due to Patrick Stewart/JL Picard/Prof Xavier/Sejanus/Really gay dude in Jeffrey/CIA dude in American Dad
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career? Spock and Uhura were the only cool characters on that series, and maybe with a side of Checkov for Cold War points.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:28:00 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 05:22:39 AM
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Nobody's throwing a gasoline bomb. I call photoshop shennanigans.
Obligatory :fap:
Also this thread is now about nosebleeders vs nosebleeders
-Doktor Blight
actually is a chronic nosebleeder.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career?
What about it?
At least he didn't ruin Moby Dick like Stewart did.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career?
What about it?
At least he didn't ruin Moby Dick like Stewart did.
Moby Dick by Melville or Moby Dick the intrumental by your favorite British yodeling squad? Either way, I have to hear this.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:54:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career?
What about it?
At least he didn't ruin Moby Dick like Stewart did.
Moby Dick by Melville or Moby Dick the intrumental by your favorite British yodeling squad? Either way, I have to hear this.
Moby Dick by Melville. The MOST IMPORTANT SCENE OF THE STORY (the dead captain "waving the ship in"), the scene that MADE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BOOK (ie, the men follow him, even in death), was chopped off, and the whale just rams the ship and sinks it.
TOTALLY FUCKING RUINED FOREVER.
Patrick Stewart was part of that. He should have his nose chopped off.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:57:23 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:54:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career?
What about it?
At least he didn't ruin Moby Dick like Stewart did.
Moby Dick by Melville or Moby Dick the intrumental by your favorite British yodeling squad? Either way, I have to hear this.
Moby Dick by Melville. The MOST IMPORTANT SCENE OF THE STORY (the dead captain "waving the ship in"), the scene that MADE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BOOK (ie, the men follow him, even in death), was chopped off, and the whale just rams the ship and sinks it.
TOTALLY FUCKING RUINED FOREVER.
Patrick Stewart was part of that. He should have his nose chopped off.
Well, as a Dune fan, I can tell you that he doesn't shit gold (Gurney Halleck), but he's a solid actor otherwise.
But as far as Star Trek goes, Picard would fucking Kirk any day. Kirk's too jerky. Picard would laugh and diplomacy him to death. Providing that Spock didn't come to Kirk's rescue.
ETA: And Riker would seduce Kirk's crew in the mean time. Hands down.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:11:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Well, as a Dune fan,
Well, that explains everything.
Sure, just go after the fact that I like Dune. Don't back up your TOS assertions.
[blame Dune on Irishness] :)
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:17:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:11:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Well, as a Dune fan,
Well, that explains everything.
Sure, just go after the fact that I like Dune. Don't back up your TOS assertions.
[blame Dune on Irishness] :)
I don't have to. Shatner did that for me.
Shatner fucked women that had goddamn ANTENNAE.
AND he had a girdle WAY before Riker.
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Quote from: Cramulus on February 05, 2011, 07:02:50 AM
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:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:17:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:11:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Well, as a Dune fan,
Well, that explains everything.
Sure, just go after the fact that I like Dune. Don't back up your TOS assertions.
[blame Dune on Irishness] :)
I don't have to. Shatner did that for me.
Shatner fucked women that had goddamn ANTENNAE.
AND he had a girdle WAY before Riker.
:facepalm:
^there for a reason. Sorry, is that a full head of jerky hair I see? Oh. No. It's Jean-Luc fucking Picard.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 04:59:45 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 05, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
I thought DS9 was the days of our lives in space one?
DS9 never happened. Well, the first episodes might have, where everything was broken and the maintenance geeks were constantly bitching.
But then the aliens that looked like alligators ate everyone. The rest of the series NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.
You just can't appreciate a good space opera.
Also the maintenance staff kept bitching right up till the end where they go off to do anything besides maintenance work.
I've also decided that TOS wins, on the grounds that Shatner had his shirt ripped off every other episode. :fap:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 05:50:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
What about Shatner? What about his totally awesome music career?
What about it?
At least he didn't ruin Moby Dick like Stewart did.
He's just released a new Album, of Metal!
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Picard is hard. He will shoot the children. To death.
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Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:17:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:11:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Well, as a Dune fan,
Well, that explains everything.
Sure, just go after the fact that I like Dune. Don't back up your TOS assertions.
[blame Dune on Irishness] :)
I don't have to. Shatner did that for me.
Shatner fucked women that had goddamn ANTENNAE.
AND he had a girdle WAY before Riker.
:facepalm:
^there for a reason. Sorry, is that a full head of jerky hair I see? Oh. No. It's Jean-Luc fucking Picard.
Picard and his "acting". PATOIEE!
Shatner never had time for that shit, because he was setting his PHASER TO KILL. While he came in peace. And fucked all the alien's women. While not interfering.
Also, Shatner had TJ Hooker's mad fighting skills, and would fucking Picard sideways.
PLUS, Shatner would beam his ENTIRE COMMAND TEAM down onto an unknown planet, WITHOUT MARINES. Because he was as hard as Dick Cheney's heart. Who's minding the spaceship? Oh, yeah, NOBODY, because it's AFRAID OF KIRK and won't do a damn thing wrong.
Shatner was also not afraid to drink a 40 and fly a shuttlecraft. He was so badass he CRASHED EVERY TIME, and never got a SCRATCH.
Can Picard do that? Fuck no, he's always like, "look at that amazing landing", and his crew is all like "Snore", because that's what the audience does, too.
Also, photon torpedos EVERY EPISODE.
Who the fuck says I can't handle space opera? FUCK YOU, I AM space opera!
It occurs to me that Shatner was more than a little bit gangsta.
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
Fuck no. He'd have fucked the Borg doggy-style, wiped his dick on it's ass cheeck, and left a fiver on the dresser.
And would Picard have been able to deal with The World Crusher - which apparently was this gynormous turd of Richter's that floats in space?
Fuck no. Universe over. Picard loses.
there needs to be a new star trek series wif moar half nekkid aliem wimminz and wif red shirts dying every episode and a brawl. and REAL booze.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on February 05, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
there needs to be a new star trek series wif moar half nekkid aliem wimminz and wif red shirts dying every episode and a brawl. and REAL booze.
And photon torpedos as the first option. FUCK YEAH.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
No, but he got his flabby old arse stuck in the Nexus for ever, and had to be rescued by ahm, Captain Jean fucking Locutus of fucking Borg Picard.
And what does he do as soon as he's out? Oh yeah, get's shot by some crunky Nexus head, and dies! Shatnired it right up!
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
No, but he got his flabby old arse stuck in the Nexus for ever, and had to be rescued by ahm, Captain Jean fucking Locutus of fucking Borg Picard.
And what does he do as soon as he's out? Oh yeah, get's shot by some crunky Nexus head, and dies! Shatnired it right up!
TNG propaganda. Never happened.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:31:21 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
No, but he got his flabby old arse stuck in the Nexus for ever, and had to be rescued by ahm, Captain Jean fucking Locutus of fucking Borg Picard.
And what does he do as soon as he's out? Oh yeah, get's shot by some crunky Nexus head, and dies! Shatnired it right up!
TNG propaganda. Never happened.
Fact.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
Bollocks! Watch this and then say that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU
Giddy up Kirky, and you'll get another sugar lump! :lulz:
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:31:21 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Shatner would also never have been weak enough to be assimilated.
No, but he got his flabby old arse stuck in the Nexus for ever, and had to be rescued by ahm, Captain Jean fucking Locutus of fucking Borg Picard.
And what does he do as soon as he's out? Oh yeah, get's shot by some crunky Nexus head, and dies! Shatnired it right up!
TNG propaganda. Never happened.
Fact.
Picard: "Let's talk about why you want to kill everyone."
Kirk: "YOU THINK I GIVE A SHIT? YOUR MAMA IS A BITCH! KILL 'EM ALL, THEY DON'T PAY MY RENT!" (followed by phaser barrage).
Photon Torpedo. Next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqvH4mr2M8
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:36:04 PM
Photon Torpedo. Next?
Not on foot.
Even Kirk had his limits. Or pretended to.
Not as "Rocket Kirk" he didn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io&feature=related
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:43:44 PM
Not as "Rocket Kirk" he didn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io&feature=related
Can't see that, but if you're dissing Shatner's awesome singing career, then you go to hell and you die.
I cannot participate in this conversation. I have equal amounts of respect for ST, original series, and ST:TNG (though, I watch TNG more often).
The only Star-Trek's I REALLY hate are Voyager (blegh...I got some Janeway stuck in my throat) and Enterprise (Speaking of, they should make a new Quantum Leap). I didn't originally like DS9, but compared to everything that came after it, it was pretty good.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 05, 2011, 06:43:44 PM
Not as "Rocket Kirk" he didn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io&feature=related
Best. Rendition. Evar.
Quote from: Cuddlefish on February 05, 2011, 06:49:08 PM
I cannot participate in this conversation. I have equal amounts of respect for ST, original series, and ST:TNG (though, I watch TNG more often).
The only Star-Trek's I REALLY hate are Voyager (blegh...I got some Janeway stuck in my throat) and Enterprise (Speaking of, they should make a new Quantum Leap). I didn't originally like DS9, but compared to everything that came after it, it was pretty good.
This. Especially the bolded part.
Blarg. Did TNG have CAPTAIN PIKE, the most AWESOMEST VILLIAN EVER?
Hell, no. It would be "insensitive" to the handicapped, horribly burned, and mobility scooter crowd.
Also, Kirk could be in two places at once. He's on a 5 year mission in uncharted space, and the next damn episode he's on the Romulan border, which I'm pretty sure isn't uncharted.
And when he gets in the turbolift, sometimes there's a control handle, and sometimes it just takes him where he wants to go, because it fears his awsome captainy wrath.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:52:51 PM
Also, Kirk could be in two places at once. He's on a 5 year mission in uncharted space, and the next damn episode he's on the Romulan border, which I'm pretty sure isn't uncharted.
And when he gets in the turbolift, sometimes there's a control handle, and sometimes it just takes him where he wants to go, because it fears his awsome captainy wrath.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Blarg. Did TNG have CAPTAIN PIKE, the most AWESOMEST VILLIAN EVER?
Hell, no. It would be "insensitive" to the handicapped, horribly burned, and mobility scooter crowd.
Hey, Rog, what did you think of the newest Star-Trek movie? It's not Shatner, but it
is Kirk.
(I really liked it. And from what I heard, their plans for Kahn in the sequel is going to be awesome.)
Quote from: Cuddlefish on February 05, 2011, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Blarg. Did TNG have CAPTAIN PIKE, the most AWESOMEST VILLIAN EVER?
Hell, no. It would be "insensitive" to the handicapped, horribly burned, and mobility scooter crowd.
Hey, Rog, what did you think of the newest Star-Trek movie? It's not Shatner, but it is Kirk.
(I really liked it. And from what I heard, their plans for Kahn in the sequel is going to be awesome.)
I will kill a motherfucker.
Not kidding.
I will be UP A FUCKING WATERTOWER, AND YOU'LL
ALL LEARN WHAT IT MEANS TO BLASPHEME!
it was pretty but i agree with tgrr. BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
I'm pretty sure that since the new Kirk movie altered the timeline so far back that all of the things that happened in the original series are wiped clean and did not actually happen.
Quote from: Alty on February 05, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that since the new Kirk movie altered the timeline so far back that all of the things that happened in the original series are wiped clean and did not actually happen.
Star Trek Universe functions on multiple worlds, as evidenced by Spock's beard.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only
human SHATNER.)
Quote from: Alty on February 05, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that since the new Kirk movie altered the timeline so far back that all of the things that happened in the original series are wiped clean and did not actually happen.
No, the new Kirk never happened.
NEVER.
FUCKING.
HAPPENED.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only human SHATNER.)
Troi is not Medical Staff. She was fairly useless as bridge crew though.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only human SHATNER.)
Troi is not Medical Staff. She was fairly useless as bridge crew though.
I thought she was some empathicky mental health counsellor.
Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only human SHATNER.)
Troi is not Medical Staff. She was fairly useless as bridge crew though.
I thought she was some empathicky mental health counsellor.
Yes, she was. But lets not beat around the bush. She was there for eye candy only. When Admiral Tomalak is on screen and has shifty eyes, you don't need Troi to vaguely read his mind and tell Picard that he's "hiding something."
That and Romulan.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only human SHATNER.)
Troi is not Medical Staff. She was fairly useless as bridge crew though.
I thought she was some empathicky mental health counsellor.
yes, also she was hotter in a standard uniform.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on February 05, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Picard would never let space hippies on his Enterprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPq8W6W-04
Shatner would never allow one of his medical team to run around in a catsuit.
(Obviously for her own protection. He's only human SHATNER.)
Troi is not Medical Staff. She was fairly useless as bridge crew though.
I thought she was some empathicky mental health counsellor.
yes, also she was hotter in a standard uniform.
She was actually. Blue works on her.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 05, 2011, 07:49:09 PM
Yes, she was.
Officer.
In a catsuit.
It was probably a concession to Riker.
Picard cracked down on that after a while. Well, maybe it was Worf, she did start dating him around that time.
Also, that was stupid.
And one chick in a catsuit is nothing compared to letting your first officer jam with a bunch of space hippies.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 05, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that since the new Kirk movie altered the timeline so far back that all of the things that happened in the original series are wiped clean and did not actually happen.
No, the new Kirk never happened.
NEVER.
FUCKING.
HAPPENED.
100% Truth.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Blarg. Did TNG have CAPTAIN PIKE, the most AWESOMEST VILLIAN EVER?
Hell, no. It would be "insensitive" to the handicapped, horribly burned, and mobility scooter crowd.
When was Pike ever a villain?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 05, 2011, 09:42:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Blarg. Did TNG have CAPTAIN PIKE, the most AWESOMEST VILLIAN EVER?
Hell, no. It would be "insensitive" to the handicapped, horribly burned, and mobility scooter crowd.
When was Pike ever a villain?
That episode where he had to go back to Telos IV and he and Spock hijacked the Enterprise. The had clips from the pilot.
You must be thinking of the series "finale" of Futurama.
Also,
THIS THREAD IS
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/Jerry_Frankster/billshat.jpg)
I remember them taking Pike there on orders :?
was nearly a decade ago last I saw that ep though.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 05, 2011, 11:48:13 PM
I remember them taking Pike there on orders :?
was nearly a decade ago last I saw that ep though.
faked orders. faked orders faked by Spock.
Spock was the "villain" in that episode. He basically hijacked the ship, and kidnapped Pike.
The original series had the spirit of adventure. The next generation was way more sci fi focused and did what it wanted to do well. Both shows were very different and very good.
I hated everything that came after that, with the odd few exceptions of DSN, and those episodes were all about Garak the tailor.
(http://www.spaceavalanche.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Riker-and-Deanna_english.jpg)
Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise) was the best series ever.
No, seriously, I liked some of the later DS9 episodes, especially the le Carre and Greene themed/inspired ones, as well as the Dominion-Federation war, but apart from that the franchise has been pretty meh for me. I probably would've liked the original series when it originally came out, had I been around, but I wasn't.
Heh, my introduction to Star Trek was the animated series based upon the original Star Trek series, which was broadcasted on Nickelodeon. I recall hating that cartoon very much because it was standing between me and my favorite cartoon series at the time, Dangermouse.
Quote from: Cain on February 06, 2011, 03:35:52 AM
Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise) was the best series ever.
I blame the theme song for that one not taking off as well as it could have. I couldn't connect that music with Star Trek, at all.
Quote from: Luna on February 07, 2011, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 06, 2011, 03:35:52 AM
Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise) was the best series ever.
I blame the theme song for that one not taking off as well as it could have. I couldn't connect that music with Star Trek, at all.
That was pretty awful. But the flaws ran much deeper. Trekkies, like fandom nerds everywhere, will not accept a prequel with open arms because it basically means rewriting the canon. And in order to gain a new audience, the show will have to make some kind of relevant links to well known elements of other franchise shows, which leads to stupidity like retconning the Borg or introducing a "temporal Cold War".
The most recent movie, however, was brilliant. A prequel, set against a reasonable "okay... time travel happened, we're now in an alternate reality, things are different, and anything goes" setting. Worked for me.
That was a stroke of genius. It was an easy and effective way to offset the massive potential for nerdrage which pretty much any major fandom is made up of, and let the film get on with being an awesome action flick.
Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
That was a stroke of genius. It was an easy and effective way to offset the massive potential for nerdrage which pretty much any major fandom is made up of, and let the film get on with being an awesome action flick.
This.
Also sidestepping the major problem with any prequel, that being, "we've already SEEN what happens next," so there's no dramatic tension.
The fans would NEVER have tolerated the relationship between Spock and Uhura, for example, in a straight timeline.
Quote from: Luna on February 07, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
Also sidestepping the major problem with any prequel, that being, "we've already SEEN what happens next," so there's no dramatic tension.
The fans would NEVER have tolerated the relationship between Spock and Uhura, for example, in a straight timeline.
One of my friends had a shitfit the moment that happened and had to be carefully coached into watching the rest of the movie.
The thing that annoyed me the most about the new movie was WHO THE FUCK GOES FROM ENSIGN TO CAPTAIN IN ONE GODDAMN FIELD PROMOTION OR WHATEVER THE FUCK
He wasn't even a fucking ensign, he was a cadet, an ensign would have at least had more than one day on the job.
even worse! :mad:
Quote from: Cainad on February 07, 2011, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 07, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
Also sidestepping the major problem with any prequel, that being, "we've already SEEN what happens next," so there's no dramatic tension.
The fans would NEVER have tolerated the relationship between Spock and Uhura, for example, in a straight timeline.
One of my friends had a shitfit the moment that happened and had to be carefully coached into watching the rest of the movie.
The thing that annoyed me the most about the new movie was WHO THE FUCK GOES FROM ENSIGN TO CAPTAIN IN ONE GODDAMN FIELD PROMOTION OR WHATEVER THE FUCK
I always thought Uhura and Spock would be a good match, and, in an alternate timeline, thought it was awesome.
The promotion thing? Yeah, well... There wasn't anybody else on the ship to promote, they were ALL cadets.
Quote from: Luna on February 07, 2011, 04:30:18 PM
Quote from: Cainad on February 07, 2011, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 07, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
Also sidestepping the major problem with any prequel, that being, "we've already SEEN what happens next," so there's no dramatic tension.
The fans would NEVER have tolerated the relationship between Spock and Uhura, for example, in a straight timeline.
One of my friends had a shitfit the moment that happened and had to be carefully coached into watching the rest of the movie.
The thing that annoyed me the most about the new movie was WHO THE FUCK GOES FROM ENSIGN TO CAPTAIN IN ONE GODDAMN FIELD PROMOTION OR WHATEVER THE FUCK
I always thought Uhura and Spock would be a good match, and, in an alternate timeline, thought it was awesome.
The promotion thing? Yeah, well... There wasn't anybody else on the ship to promote, they were ALL cadets.
Not all of them. There were still several ensigns and Spock was LT or LT-Commander or something like that.
The low point of the movie still sticks out like a sore thumb for me: Kirks Allergic reaction that swells up his hands. It was at that point I wrote off the movie and started mentally undressing the actors to pass the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU&feature=related~~> Just gonna leave that there.
And I like all the series. :D Past, present, future...s'all good to me.
TOS wins forever. Why? Because it had Sulu. And Sulu was played by George Takei. And George Takei pulled off this glorious troll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7v_UCsdzc
TOS is automatically awesome by association.
Quote from: Unqualified on February 08, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
TOS wins forever. Why? Because it had Sulu. And Sulu was played by George Takei. And George Takei pulled off this glorious troll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7v_UCsdzc
TOS is automatically awesome by association.
I hadn't seen that one. :lulz:
Quote from: Unqualified on February 08, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
TOS wins forever. Why? Because it had Sulu. And Sulu was played by George Takei. And George Takei pulled off this glorious troll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7v_UCsdzc
TOS is automatically awesome by association.
that was gloriously funny
Let's face it, Star Trek (all of it) is the best TV/Movie franchise there's ever likely to be. From ToS, to Voyager, it's all good. Except maybe . . . . nah, it's all good, even the bits that are really bad.
(Little known fact, Deanna Troi was once engaged to Graeme Souness)
Quote from: BadBeast on February 08, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
Let's face it, Star Trek (all of it) is the best TV/Movie franchise there's ever likely to be. From ToS, to Voyager, it's all good. Except maybe . . . . nah, it's all good, even the bits that are really bad.
(Little known fact, Deanna Troi was once engaged to Graeme Souness)
While I agree Star Trek is awesome, I'd put Doctor Who up against it any day.
Quote from: Luna on February 08, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 08, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
Let's face it, Star Trek (all of it) is the best TV/Movie franchise there's ever likely to be. From ToS, to Voyager, it's all good. Except maybe . . . . nah, it's all good, even the bits that are really bad.
(Little known fact, Deanna Troi was once engaged to Graeme Souness)
While I agree Star Trek is awesome, I'd put Doctor Who up against it any day.
Doctor who, for the most part, is unfortunately rubbish, so many different writers means that a lot of it is mediocre, however because there are so many writers, there is occasionally an excellent episode.
This only applies to everything pre season 5 (last years) doctor who. They finally found a good writer in Stephen Moffat and given him his own run, which has been consistently good, and probably will be until he leaves.
Quote from: Faust on February 08, 2011, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 08, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 08, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
Let's face it, Star Trek (all of it) is the best TV/Movie franchise there's ever likely to be. From ToS, to Voyager, it's all good. Except maybe . . . . nah, it's all good, even the bits that are really bad.
(Little known fact, Deanna Troi was once engaged to Graeme Souness)
While I agree Star Trek is awesome, I'd put Doctor Who up against it any day.
Doctor who, for the most part, is unfortunately rubbish, so many different writers means that a lot of it is mediocre, however because there are so many writers, there is occasionally an excellent episode.
This only applies to everything pre season 5 (last years) doctor who. They finally found a good writer in Stephen Moffat and given him his own run, which has been consistently good, and probably will be until he leaves.
We could argue technical "good" and "bad" all day... I just know which I enjoy more. I can watch an episode or two of Star Trek any day, sure... but I've never had the urge to sit down and to a Star Trek marathon. Doctor Who, on the other hand, oh, yeah. Even a lot of the rubbish is fun to watch.
If it hadn't been for Steven Moffat, most of Doctor Who would've watched like Torchwood Season One, with a bigger budget.
The new Dr Who (Since it was revived with Christopher Ecclestone) Hasn't put a foot wrong. Great stories, Great Doctors, and the chemistry between little Billie Piper, and Ecclestone, and after him, David Tennant, was phenomenal. Who'd have have thought she even had it in her?
And Torchwood too, that was brilliant. Darker, actually quite scary in places too. But you have to remember that Dr Who had some really, really shit Doctors too.
Peter Davison. Colin Baker. Sylvester McCoy. Paul McGann. Absolutely crap, all of them. Tom Baker was epic. And John Pertwee. (Where I picked it up, as a kid) But from 1981, until 2005, it really was a pile of shite. That's 24 years, of having no effort, or thought, or talent applied to it at all. In fact, between the painful to endure Paul McGann, and Ecclestone, if you could have put money on which BBC program will never be revived, it would have been Dr Who.
Torchwood was rubbish, Dr Who themed slashfic written by internet fangirls and practically a case study for scriptwriters confusing "darker and edgier" with "has more sexual themes".
At least up until Children of Earth, which was half-decent.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 08, 2011, 04:03:31 PM
The new Dr Who (Since it was revived with Christopher Ecclestone) Hasn't put a foot wrong. Great stories, Great Doctors, and the chemistry between little Billie Piper, and Ecclestone, and after him, David Tennant, was phenomenal. Who'd have have thought she even had it in her?
And Torchwood too, that was brilliant. Darker, actually quite scary in places too. But you have to remember that Dr Who had some really, really shit Doctors too.
Peter Davison. Colin Baker. Sylvester McCoy. Paul McGann. Absolutely crap, all of them. Tom Baker was epic. And John Pertwee. (Where I picked it up, as a kid) But from 1981, until 2005, it really was a pile of shite. That's 24 years, of having no effort, or thought, or talent applied to it at all. In fact, between the painful to endure Paul McGann, and Ecclestone, if you could have put money on which BBC program will never be revived, it would have been Dr Who.
Granted, but, face it, Star Trek has had some shit episodes, as well. Tastes vary. I know people who think the entire DS9 series was a waste of airwaves.
I'd be hard-pressed to find an episode of anything since the restart that I disliked. Hard to watch? Yes... but that makes for a good episode. There have been a couple that were utterly brilliant. ("Vincent and the Doctor" leaps to mind.)
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2011, 03:55:25 PM
If it hadn't been for Steven Moffat, most of Doctor Who would've watched like Torchwood Season One, with a bigger budget.
Maybe, but what we got instead was "Torchwood" season one,
and Dr Who.
Torchwood didn't need a bigger budget. It was fucking epic. You couldn't have had it written better, or acted better, no matter how big the budget was. If it had got a bigger budget, it would have only gone on CGI special effects, and everything else would have taken a back seat. (Like "Primeval") *Spits*
Instead, it was driven by the quality of it's screenwriting, and the incredible cast. Gwen. Captain Jack. Ianto. And Freema Agyeman too.
The way the characters developed slowly, over the first couple of series was so well written, and watchable, I could watch it all again, back to back, and not even miss Star Trek.
Colin Baker Sylvester mcCoy was actually excellent in his second series when they switched from juvenile shit to dark and strange. Download the Curse of fenric, its fantastic.
Edit: whoops, nerdlore fail.
Quote from: BadBeast on February 08, 2011, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2011, 03:55:25 PM
If it hadn't been for Steven Moffat, most of Doctor Who would've watched like Torchwood Season One, with a bigger budget.
Maybe, but what we got instead was "Torchwood" season one, and Dr Who.
Torchwood didn't need a bigger budget. It was fucking epic. You couldn't have had it written better, or acted better, no matter how big the budget was. If it had got a bigger budget, it would have only gone on CGI special effects, and everything else would have taken a back seat. (Like "Primeval") *Spits*
Instead, it was driven by the quality of it's screenwriting, and the incredible cast. Gwen. Captain Jack. Ianto. And Freema Agyeman too.
The way the characters developed slowly, over the first couple of series was so well written, and watchable, I could watch it all again, back to back, and not even miss Star Trek.
I'm with you on this one. There will be a marathon at my place before too long.
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
Torchwood was rubbish, Dr Who themed slashfic written by internet fangirls and practically a case study for scriptwriters confusing "darker and edgier" with "has more sexual themes".
At least up until Children of Earth, which was half-decent.
:crankey: Nnnngggg!! Fucking Philistine! If I can get over the "Welsh" aspect of it, and thoroughly enjoy every Gwen fapping episode of it , then, then, . . . . Grrr! I bet you preferred Buffy to Angel as well!
Torchwood was never meant to be a darker and edgier Dr Who, except in the minds or depraved marketing executives. Yeah, if you went into it wanting more Dr Who it was disappointing, but Torchwood as Torchwood worked just fine.
And it had Pteradactyls!
Quote from: Faust on February 08, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
Colin Baker Sylvester mcCoy was actually excellent in his second series when they switched from juvenile shit to dark and strange. Download the Curse of fenric, its fantastic.
Edit: whoops, nerdlore fail.
I haven't seen any Sylvester McCoy yet.
I thought Peter Davidson did a pretty good job. Colin Baker, not so much.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on February 08, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on February 08, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
Colin Baker Sylvester mcCoy was actually excellent in his second series when they switched from juvenile shit to dark and strange. Download the Curse of fenric, its fantastic.
Edit: whoops, nerdlore fail.
I haven't seen any Sylvester McCoy yet.
I thought Peter Davidson did a pretty good job. Colin Baker, not so much.
I must confess, "Time Crash" made me squee like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert. :oops:
Quote from: Unqualified on February 08, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
TOS wins forever. Why? Because it had Sulu. And Sulu was played by George Takei. And George Takei pulled off this glorious troll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7v_UCsdzc
TOS is automatically awesome by association.
Holy fucknuggets I think I just had a trollgasm.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 06:08:19 AM
Quote from: Unqualified on February 08, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
TOS wins forever. Why? Because it had Sulu. And Sulu was played by George Takei. And George Takei pulled off this glorious troll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7v_UCsdzc
TOS is automatically awesome by association.
Holy fucknuggets I think I just had a trollgasm.
Not surprising considering the amount of monsterbating you've been doing, and your visits to that Orc whore are hardly a secret. And your Hard drive is renowned for it's collection of rare Entporn, some of whom are no more than saplings!