There's more traffic at Capitol Grilling, for fuck's sake.
Everyone has time for everything except Eris. Nothing like a good, old-fashioned snub, right? :lulz:
This shit has officially gotten old. Figure I'll fuck off and check back in on Friday, and see if anyone's been by.
You know, I did come up with something to rant about when I was out this weekend.
And now that my taxes are done (getting a rebate!), I can get to work on it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 26, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
You know, I did come up with something to rant about when I was out this weekend.
And now that my taxes are done (getting a rebate!), I can get to work on it.
It's not even ranting, LMNO. We have no traffic at all. We range from 3 people online to 17 people online, and nobody can be arsed to join a conversation, riff on a rant, or do anything besides hit F5, looking for something new to read.
Remember when we said "Make PD what you want it to be"? Well, that involves having people occasionally participate, rather than endlessly view topics.
My take on it is that we've lost the crowd to Facebook. What people really seem to want is something they can Like, rather than conversation or spewing rants or whatever.
So, if you can't beat 'em, drop on all fours and join the herd, I guess.
Maybe we need more silliness? Are people not posting because they want to be making deep, insightful comments, and not fnording up the place?
Or is it (horror upon horror) the Curse of the Open Bar???
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 26, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Maybe we need more silliness? Are people not posting because they want to be making deep, insightful comments, and not fnording up the place?
Or is it (horror upon horror) the Curse of the Open Bar???
I agree with Cain that the Open Bar was INANE.
But I also think that it got people typing. Sort of a warm up exercise, if you will. Right now, we have small bursts of conversation between the same 10-12 people, and nobody else posts at all, no matter what you do. But there's plenty of activity on Facebook. Most of our MIA posters are there.
Zuckerberg & Millions of Screaming Pinks - 1
Discordia - 0
i never read the open bar simply due to the lack of topic. (i'd just skip over it) it seemed too scattered, and that it would be better if the conversations were separate threads. but if it simply killed the conversations and people left, i don't see the harm it did to justify that repercussion...
was the point of getting rid of it that we simply didn't want an inane thread constantly at the top of the heap, or did it cause technical problems due to the traffic it got?
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 26, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Maybe we need more silliness? Are people not posting because they want to be making deep, insightful comments, and not fnording up the place?
Or is it (horror upon horror) the Curse of the Open Bar???
I agree with Cain that the Open Bar was INANE.
But I also think that it got people typing. Sort of a warm up exercise, if you will. Right now, we have small bursts of conversation between the same 10-12 people, and nobody else posts at all, no matter what you do. But there's plenty of activity on Facebook. Most of our MIA posters are there.
Zuckerberg & Millions of Screaming Pinks - 1
Discordia - 0
I don't think so, I have half the people who have vanished over the last year on FB and they rarely post anything.
Quote from: Iptuous on March 26, 2012, 08:59:55 PM
i never read the open bar simply due to the lack of topic. (i'd just skip over it) it seemed too scattered, and that it would be better if the conversations were separate threads. but if it simply killed the conversations and people left, i don't see the harm it did to justify that repercussion...
was the point of getting rid of it that we simply didn't want an inane thread constantly at the top of the heap, or did it cause technical problems due to the traffic it got?
I think it was killed because the TMI level got too high. Nobody wants to hear about other peoples' problems with their junk, etc.
And because there IS already a Facebook. Problem is, when most of the user base went over to Zuckerberg, the "population density" here sank below the level needed to keep conversations going.
And it wasn't JUST the open bar thread. There's also some legendary butthurt out there, and that didn't help much, either. I know of a half-dozen people off the top of my head that come in here to see how low the board's traffic has gotten, just so they can hug themselves and say how the problem is me or ECH or Nigel or whatever, and look how right they were...Rather than the fact that they got in a scrap, got butthurt over it, and threw their toys out of the pram.
Presumably, when and if the board actually goes dead, they can come back and say "I told you so" to an empty room.
Quote from: Faust on March 26, 2012, 09:03:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 26, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Maybe we need more silliness? Are people not posting because they want to be making deep, insightful comments, and not fnording up the place?
Or is it (horror upon horror) the Curse of the Open Bar???
I agree with Cain that the Open Bar was INANE.
But I also think that it got people typing. Sort of a warm up exercise, if you will. Right now, we have small bursts of conversation between the same 10-12 people, and nobody else posts at all, no matter what you do. But there's plenty of activity on Facebook. Most of our MIA posters are there.
Zuckerberg & Millions of Screaming Pinks - 1
Discordia - 0
I don't think so, I have half the people who have vanished over the last year on FB and they rarely post anything.
Anything we can see. A ton of them are online all the time, and the new trend there is private boards.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 26, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Maybe we need more silliness?
Also, tried that. I wrote the Payne's Messiah Complex thing...Mostly to try to lure Payne back, but also because it was goofy and it seemed like it would be something fun to do. I got a handful of what was essentially mittens, P3nt riffed once, and the damn thing fell flat.
I am writing like a robot monkey in heat with a bad motor. Trying new shit out.
As for Eris, I'm doing my best to shove her Good Word into the helpless faces around me. I've taken a special interest in people recently.
Quote from: Alty on March 26, 2012, 09:17:21 PM
I am writing like a robot monkey in heat with a bad motor. Trying new shit out.
Just not here. :sad:
Eris always prevails, though. She's a bitch that way. And when fecesbook falls, it will fall hard, and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Meanwhile this place really was almost stone dead yesterday, but I attributed that to Sunday.
I don't much care for Facebook.
But if people are posting on private boards there, they're not inviting me. :lulz:
I'm having a shitty day today. Took one of my GED tests, then missed the start of another one because I gave in to someone's request to have me entertain them. So now, instead of being done Wednesday, I won't be done until next Monday. Which is too late to apply for dual enrollment.
My own damn fault.
[/open bar]
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Alty on March 26, 2012, 09:17:21 PM
I am writing like a robot monkey in heat with a bad motor. Trying new shit out.
Just not here. :sad:
:lol:
It will be. Where else would I put it? I've given much consideration to the concept of second drafts.
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 09:26:16 PM
I don't much care for Facebook.
I had fun at first on facebook, posting horrible shit and getting all the flak from uptight jackasses (remember that lady that claimed expertise on the military because her dad was in the airforce?), but it soon wearied me, because it's a gigantic, world-wide open bar thread.
And I'm sorry to hear you whiffed the test date.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Alty on March 26, 2012, 09:17:21 PM
I am writing like a robot monkey in heat with a bad motor. Trying new shit out.
Just not here. :sad:
:lol:
It will be. Where else would I put it? I've given much consideration to the concept of second drafts.
Ah, then you too can enjoy the heart-warming sensation of watching it slooooooowly sink off the page.
:lulz:
I don't mind so much. It's like throwing a quarter in a fountain. A quarter you sweat blood for, a quarter you pulled out from the back of the ear of the PIT OF YOUR SOUL.
Plus, think of the lurkers. They depend on us for spiritual guidance. We must persist.
There may be no alternative but to piss people off. :lulz:
Quote from: Alty on March 26, 2012, 09:42:03 PM
I don't mind so much. It's like throwing a quarter in a fountain. A quarter you sweat blood for, a quarter you pulled out from the back of the ear of the PIT OF YOUR SOUL.
Plus, think of the lurkers. They depend on us for spiritual guidance. We must persist.
When the urge hits me, maybe. I started out having fun with my last thing, but I was actually angry by the time I gave up.
And if I want to get angry, I could just stop fucking off and pay attention to my job.
Got a few things swimming around in my head but it is tricky to find the time for them and this week is going to be a bit crazy bc im recording tonight i have a practice somewhen before friday and then i got a gig friday. I am however meeting gogira this weekend.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 26, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Got a few things swimming around in my head but it is tricky to find the time for them and this week is going to be a bit crazy bc im recording tonight i have a practice somewhen before friday and then i got a gig friday. I am however meeting gogira this weekend.
Not saying it's you, or whatever.
It's just that everyone "got busy" at the same time, and stayed that way.
Not too busy to read apparently, just too busy to post.
Hmm. What i might do is write some stuff on paper on the weekends when villager is sleeping or otherwise have a few spare minutes and then hash them out more on the weeknights. Ill also see what i can do arounnd boston to get some fresh blood.
Oh i know dok. Its just that if its a collective thing it is me to some degree.
At least we can still take comfort in the fact we have more traffic and posts than EB&G.
I know, it's "best scrubbed house in the ghetto" territory, but we can still take pride in something.
Quote from: Cain on March 26, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
At least we can still take comfort in the fact we have more traffic and posts than EB&G.
I know, it's "best scrubbed house in the ghetto" territory, but we can still take pride in something.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on March 26, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
At least we can still take comfort in the fact we have more traffic and posts than EB&G.
I know, it's "best scrubbed house in the ghetto" territory, but we can still take pride in something.
We're the skinniest kids at fat camp. :banana:
Quote from: Cain on March 26, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
At least we can still take comfort in the fact we have more traffic and posts than EB&G.
I know, it's "best scrubbed house in the ghetto" territory, but we can still take pride in something.
So does the poop forum.
EBG now has such enlightened questions as "Trayvon Martin, Murder or No?", posters from TCC and borked software (also like TCC).
Of course the poop forum is doing better.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 26, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
EBG now has such enlightened questions as "Trayvon Martin, Murder or No?", posters from TCC and borked software (also like TCC).
Of course the poop forum is doing better.
Yeah, I saw Dark Magus there. Which leads me to believe that TCC is even deader than EB&G.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 26, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
EBG now has such enlightened questions as "Trayvon Martin, Murder or No?", posters from TCC and borked software (also like TCC).
Of course the poop forum is doing better.
Yeah, I saw Dark Magus there. Which leads me to believe that TCC is even deader than EB&G.
For a second I thought you meant that Dark Magus was on the poop forum, which made me :lulz:
there's a forum dedicated to 'poop'?
i mean, i guess i'm not really surprised,
but...
Yes, and it's not about colon health, or scat fetishes, or anything, really.
Just...poop.
Quote from: Iptuous on March 27, 2012, 01:14:06 AM
there's a forum dedicated to 'poop'?
i mean, i guess i'm not really surprised,
but...
Google "Resurrection Poop" and ye shall be answered.
Over time my interests and the forum have stopped aligning.
I add to conversations when I feel it. I still cross post some stuff when I want feedback or discussion. The 'defence of power' conversation was really useful- I pretty much ended up on board with the problems pointed out, and enjoyed the conversation. Recenty though I think I don't really contribute anythig people really find interesting, and I don't find a huge amount o the content here really pulls me in. That's not a problem- I'm in flux and so is the forum and sometimes well align better than others.
The last few internal spats haven't been encouraging exactly, but I've never outright left for that sake.
Another nobody is posting thread?
And I don't know that ragging on EB&G, again, is going to really get the traffic flowing again, but maybe it will.
But, allow me to be the wet blanket here.
Posting on the internet is not important. Not when people have jobs and other life obligations.
I will further submit, again, that lack of posting doesn't mean lack of Discordia.
I am quite confident that the Payne's, the LHX's, the Iason's, the Cram's, and the DJ Rubberducky's of the world are out there subjecting meatspace to all kinds of wacky and weird shit. I have no doubts whatsoever.
And I think that is good. Yeah, it sucks when it means lack of traffic here. But that is the way of things. Things have life cycles, they evolve, that includes internet communication mediums.
I just don't think any amount of "why aren't people posting?" threads are going to change that. I think we should just make the most of the traffic we do have now. I think the fast and furious days of 06 and before are more or less behind us.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 27, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
Another nobody is posting thread?
And yet here you are, clicking on it.
It's a fantastic thing that you don't do anything like this.
It feels like PD.com is going through an identity crisis.
I've been trying to think how to respond to this for a little while now so I'm just going to stop second guessing myself and throw some stuff out there.
Basically, PD.com has always been most successful when it has felt like a community. That's my basic premise. When I came here many years ago, it felt like I was introducing myself to a group of friends. A large part of that was the casual air.
Which comes down to 'facebook for weirdos'.
The thing is, Facebook is fundamentally poisonous. It is an echo chamber in which you (like Nigel said) basically become your own TV channel. It is not a format which encourages long conversations, or communal projects, or anything like that. It is used 'in the now' to blurt out the details of what is in your head right this second or what is going on in your life right now, and that's it. Bang done move on.
Forums scratch a different itch, and I think part of what set even Open Bar apart from facebook and personal blogs was that you'd have people come in and tie together streams of thoughts and engage in discussions over several days.
The other thing is that it is 'for weirdos', which is to say, anyone who posts here. Facebook is (for the most part) a far more controlled environment in which people will control their audience far more carefully. You also don't need to worry about your boss, prospective employer, or ... well, anyone IRL, knowing about who you are here if you don't want them to (for the most part). It is a different communal space, and I think that is very helpful.
Basically, I think it was good to experiment with trying to cut down on the 'facebook for weirdos' thing. I think we can all agree that the atmosphere of the board has changed since it happened. Now I think there's a few ways we can proceed:
1) Try to encourage people to post moar content through this kind of thread. Which doesn't seem to be working, and, for my part, just makes me feel a little irritable.
2) Try to establish some communal projects to give the board a new focus. Luna's project was a great idea and I'm sorry I haven't been able to contribute. Now that I've lost my job and am in Amsterdam collecting photos I will probably try to get in on it when I am back home. But again, just one project doesn't seem to have electrified the board and cured the 'nobody is talking' problem. Maybe more would help? I'm not sure.
3) Bring back open bar and see what happens - don't know if it would encourage more posting in other threads but I think Dok may have a point in that it gets people typing, and I genuinely think that 'facebook for weirdos' can be attributed with some of the success in establishing PD.com as a creative environment.
The last thing I'd like to say is that 'we' collectively need to decide what the point of PD.com actually is. I mean, if it is pointless now, that implies that it had a point to begin with, right? This is where the identity crisis thing hits. I think we've talked Discordianism as a subject to death (or at least feel like we have), and we may even have reached that point with BIP.
There's a few subjects I'd like to talk about spurred on by recent discussions here...
I want to talk about what it means to be a walking glitch (The Laughing Man was shot one at that. Didn't quite work. Must Try Harder)
I want to talk about what it means to be a citizen.
I want to talk about where we're going and what that's going to look like. Because conjecture is fun.
I want to repeatedly slam my face against the wall -- I mean, continue to track and be surprised by political developments, and talk to you folks about them.
And I want to listen too, because I feel like you guys put me to shame when it comes to pretty much every subject under the sun.
So, yeah. Part of the reason I haven't already started talking about the above is lack of time. Part of it is paralysing stage fright. I'm starting to understand that the worst thing that can happen is that I'm not interesting and I watch my stuff slide off the screen. Well, that's not too bad. Alternatively, I could put my foot in my mouth and wind up being torn a new one. If that happens, at least I'll learn something in the process.
So consider this a mission statement and some thoughts on the subject. I don't know how swiftly I'll be able to get to work on this stuff, but I owe a lot to PD.com even if I've spent the majority of my time lurking, and I'm going to start trying to give something back.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 27, 2012, 04:21:13 PM
1) Try to encourage people to post moar content through this kind of thread. Which doesn't seem to be working, and, for my part, just makes me feel a little irritable.
Yeah, my bad. I was feeling bitchy about the whole thing.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 27, 2012, 10:40:18 AM
Over time my interests and the forum have stopped aligning.
I add to conversations when I feel it. I still cross post some stuff when I want feedback or discussion. The 'defence of power' conversation was really useful- I pretty much ended up on board with the problems pointed out, and enjoyed the conversation. Recenty though I think I don't really contribute anythig people really find interesting, and I don't find a huge amount o the content here really pulls me in. That's not a problem- I'm in flux and so is the forum and sometimes well align better than others.
The last few internal spats haven't been encouraging exactly, but I've never outright left for that sake.
"my interests and the forum have stopped aligning". The active posters are who define what interests the forum aligns with. If you are expecting other people to provide discourse that aligns with your interests, you've become a spectator, not a participant.
I think that the problem is that there are too many passive users hoping to be spoonfed, and not enough active posters making the board what THEY want it to be. Don't see a topic on your interests? START ONE. It's
interactive; that's the whole point.
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Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 27, 2012, 10:40:18 AM
Over time my interests and the forum have stopped aligning.
I add to conversations when I feel it. I still cross post some stuff when I want feedback or discussion. The 'defence of power' conversation was really useful- I pretty much ended up on board with the problems pointed out, and enjoyed the conversation. Recenty though I think I don't really contribute anythig people really find interesting, and I don't find a huge amount o the content here really pulls me in. That's not a problem- I'm in flux and so is the forum and sometimes well align better than others.
The last few internal spats haven't been encouraging exactly, but I've never outright left for that sake.
"my interests and the forum have stopped aligning". The active posters are who define what interests the forum aligns with. If you are expecting other people to provide discourse that aligns with your interests, you've become a spectator, not a participant.
I think that the problem is that there are too many passive users hoping to be spoonfed, and not enough active posters making the board what THEY want it to be. Don't see a topic on your interests? START ONE. It's interactive; that's the whole point.
Very this.
PD is never going to be exactly what you want, but if you want anything from it, you have to make it happen. Waiting for someone else to come along and post exactly the things you're interested in is not going to work.
So the question arises: What am I interested in? What do I want to talk about?
I'm not sure. Biases. Behaviors. I had some fun in the Religion thread. Dare I say it, philosophy (or at least the principles behind beliefs). But I'm not sure I have many insights of my own. My posting history shows that I'm fairly reactive -- when someone brings up something to think about, I do well. But self-motivating topics aren't my strong suit.
I reckon if you tried to get a discussion or workshop going on some of the Less Wrong stuff, sequences for Discordians or something, it would generate some interest. I can think of at least five semi-regular persons here who share that broad range of interests.
That's a good idea. And now that the sequences are in an ebook format, that should help. I'll see what I can do about that.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
So the question arises: What am I interested in? What do I want to talk about?
I'm not sure.
Same here. I have always enjoyed the weird shit (your 30 days of Eris is still the best moment ever on PD, for me), of course.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
So the question arises: What am I interested in? What do I want to talk about?
I'm not sure.
Same here. I have always enjoyed the weird shit (your 30 days of Eris is still the best moment ever on PD, for me), of course.
I need to wrap up formatting that and putting it into the final editing thresher, and get it to fucking print already.
(Please, no one take this personally, I'm gonna make a couple comments in general... not aimed at ANYONE)
I don't think Facebook stole our posters... I think we've just lost our variety. Even when the Open Bar was Open, we were low on posters and there were lots of comments about how things were headed this way. A long time ago I rarely read the Open Bar because I was too busy reading and replying to so many other threads, eventually I started reading the open bar, because there wasn't much else to read/reply to. When I first came to PD there were serious topics, unserious topics and downright silly topics. Some topics covered things like a stark view of the world around us and some covered a less stark or even hopeful view of the world around us. Politics, philosophy, psychology, projects and a sprinkle of nonsense. These days, it feels like we've sorta lost that wobbly balance. Politics tend to be the same thing I can read on CNN (minus Cain's insights), psych and philosophy aren't often topics and when they are, they seem to be the same arguments by the same people. As for nonsense... I don't recall the last nonsensical thread... not even Enrico shows up to post (so you know it must be bad).
It used to be that there were fights and arguments and yelling at Roger cause he was a meanie... but those have always been around. It all worked because there was enough OTHER stuff that it balanced in a delicious sweet and sour chao. These days its just all bland (not being personal to anyone here, please don't take it that way). Its no wonder we don't have posters and the visitors we have just read a couple threads and wander off.
I can't even remember the last time I cared enough to get in a fight with Roger about being mean to the noobs. :cry: I actually can't remember the last time Roger was actually mean to a noob for that matter...
One thing I've noticed that I think has cut down on some of the creativity and input. When I lurked here (back in the days of the BiP development) and when I started posting here regularly... the focus seemed to be on everyone throwing everything we could against the wall to see what stuck. If someone took something and ran with it, no one cared. More recently however it seems that there's been a lot more focus on who's got the rights to what and if something has been polished enough by the original author for someone else to run with it. I wonder if that hasn't stifled a lot of the creative processes that used to keep the site running? I definitely think a few of those arguments hit Intermittens pretty hard.
I don't know how or if we can return to the glory days of the past... it would be nice if we could, I love this place like a giant dysfunctional family :D
Conversely, I think that a lot of people have stopped posting creatively here because of a few people having a bit of a persistent "what's yours is mine" ethic about it. There was a lot of creative brainstorming, and then at some point a few entrepreneurial people suddenly seemed to realize that hey, some of this shit is marketable... and started to get glad-handy with other people's creative work.
That my be true, but practically speaking, has anyone made money of off a PD.com project apart from teh Chao te Ching?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 05:55:41 PM
That my be true, but practically speaking, has anyone made money of off a PD.com project apart from teh Chao te Ching?
I'm $3 to the good on the MSY comic. :lulz:
And, if I recall, you were the main driving force behind that. No one took it out of your hands and ran with it.
I can say that the net effect for me, consciously or unconsciously, is that I don't post anything I put heavy effort into here anymore, and my enthusiasm for collaborative writing is greatly dampened, because if something turns out really great I know that it's a matter of time before somebody pops up with the idea to monetize it somehow.
Or, if not to monetize it, to step in, appoint themselves editor, and use it for self-promotion. It's disheartening.
And of course then there's the inevitable shitstorm and they slink away tail-twixt-legs for a while, and everybody else withdraws and nobody posts creative work for a while.
That latter scenario seem smuch more likely, now that you mention it.
But how do we correct for that behavior? A "rule" about it would be laughable; and since people are often assholes (even Discordians), then the disheartening conclusion is that such things are inevitable... which means that the current condition of PD.com is terminal.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
That latter scenario seem smuch more likely, now that you mention it.
But how do we correct for that behavior? A "rule" about it would be laughable; and since people are often assholes (even Discordians), then the disheartening conclusion is that such things are inevitable... which means that the current condition of PD.com is terminal.
I don't think that you can correct it. Merely state that it's not for profit and if you find out that someone is profiting off of it, get the law involved, or conversely do something really horrible to them.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
That latter scenario seem smuch more likely, now that you mention it.
But how do we correct for that behavior? A "rule" about it would be laughable; and since people are often assholes (even Discordians), then the disheartening conclusion is that such things are inevitable... which means that the current condition of PD.com is terminal.
I think discordians are
especially assholes.
But I think we also tend to have a strong respect for people's creative works. The only person who has ever knowingly violated that respect, that I can think of, is Yatto.
Maybe not a concrete rule, but just acknowledging that it is Not Okay to try and appoint leadership positions carte blanch would be helpful? It hadn't occurred to me that it might be happening, but I hate to think of PD.com as some sort of...
commodity
Let's not point specific fingers if we can right now. I'd rather focus on the larger issue than personal flame wars.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
That latter scenario seem smuch more likely, now that you mention it.
But how do we correct for that behavior? A "rule" about it would be laughable; and since people are often assholes (even Discordians), then the disheartening conclusion is that such things are inevitable... which means that the current condition of PD.com is terminal.
I think there are two ways to respond to it. One is as we have been, which is to go "GIT YER FECKING PAWS OFF!" and the other way is to let them do it. But something about my creativity being used to promote someone's guru complex/self-promotion machine kind of makes me feel ill. I suspect that in any given project,
somebody is going to object when someone tries to compile/edit/reshape it into something it wasn't when it was being written. And we all have a right to control how and where our creative fruits are used.
The downside is that people who are really good at promotion are good at getting people excited and involved. So, it seems like for the whole thing to really work, it's necessary to accept a little bit of... well, of promoter-types.
I don't think there's any rule that could be instituted that would work. Possibly something about not lifting and re-using anyone's work elsewhere without permission, but shit, does that really need to be spelled out?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Let's not point specific fingers if we can right now. I'd rather focus on the larger issue than personal flame wars.
I can understand the want to not collaborate with others if there's a risk that someone will try and sell it. I'm not sure that I can think of anything that would remedy that feeling. It depends on the disposition of the poster I imagine.
Are there other things going on lately that have worsened this? It seems like there's been a bit of a fall off even recently- some of which seems to have occurred while my internet was out.
Hmm, I dunno, traffic had already died off quite a bit before we had the last big dust-up about someone supposedly trying to hijack a project. So I'm not completely convinced that was a main, or even minor, contributor to the decline in traffic.
I personally just think it is a collective evolution of lives. As we get older, generally speaking, we take on more responsibilities in meat-space. That certainly eats into internet posting time. I know that I have way more responsibilities today than I had just a year ago. I still like this place for occasional shots of zaniness and weird. But it is really hard for me to carve out time and headspace to put together content for this site.
We can't expect people to dial back their IRL lives to pick the place back up. So I think if anything, the place needs more new, young, blood. I don't know how you go about getting that new blood in the current internet/info-mational superhighway age.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 27, 2012, 06:25:10 PM
Hmm, I dunno, traffic had already died off quite a bit before we had the last big dust-up about someone supposedly trying to hijack a project. So I'm not completely convinced that was a main, or even minor, contributor to the decline in traffic.
I personally just think it is a collective evolution of lives. As we get older, generally speaking, we take on more responsibilities in meat-space. That certainly eats into internet posting time. I know that I have way more responsibilities today than I had just a year ago. I still like this place for occasional shots of zaniness and weird. But it is really hard for me to carve out time and headspace to put together content for this site.
We can't expect people to dial back their IRL lives to pick the place back up. So I think if anything, the place needs more new, young, blood. I don't know how you go about getting that new blood in the current internet/info-mational superhighway age.
Well, we have to bring a little more IRL weird here I imagine. Or those of us who can at least. Not everyone is satisfied with social media being their primary mode of existence.
I'm not even trying to debate monetizing here. Hell, there was a fight when WHN used the 'Uncomfortable Topics" thing as a thread header.
I am not in favor of anyone making money off of someone else's work. However, the best stuff that came from this site didn't make a fucking dime. BiP (yes, I just admitted it was good) and Intermittens for two prime examples. Hell, we could make a real simple rule:
"All work posted on PD.com is free, it cannot be sold for profit."
Personally, that's why I use kopyleft on everything I post here. I don't give a shit if someone finds a way to make a buck by including my poems with someone's rants and someone elses stories. GOOD, that means some cabbage are apparently reading it and maybe, just maybe they will wake up for a second and notice the bars and walls around them (yes, second positive reference to the BiP, shut up). However, that's ME, not anyone else.
The BiP, from what I saw, wasn't written for profit or even with profit in mind... just written to poke some brains. Intermittens seems to have followed that same concept. As soon as 'profit' entered the picture, creative flow got jammed up with ego, money and self-defense on all sides.
Besides, if you write creative stuff that you want to retain full credit/rights to and potentially publish, you can always post it on your blog. The you can put a link here saying "I wrote about this on my blog" ... which gets us back to a couple current discussions.
:lulz: (yes that last bit was supposed to be funny)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 27, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Let's not point specific fingers if we can right now. I'd rather focus on the larger issue than personal flame wars.
This.
I think it's fairly simple. If someone grabs someone else's project or swipes their work, there are a number of recourses available from which to choose
1:
1. Banning
2. Report to the culprit's ISP if applicable.
3. Legal action.
4. Public scorn.
And there's no real need for comprehensive "rules". If the author doesn't designate it as "kopyleft" or whatever, and there's no permission from the author posted publicly in the relevant thread, it's not kosher. I mean, we're not talking about a lot of cash, here...But I do believe that we should all be showing each other at least enough respect to ask first.
1 HAH! No prepositions at the end of MY sentences, motherfuckers!
I think the basic respect thing really applies. There's no need to post something on your blog first, or to announce that it's not public domain. Basic respect (and the law) dictates that you own your work and you get to decide what happens to it. Including granting copyright if you feel like it.
And Rat; let's not confuse the issue with personal catfights. I am pretty sure you can tell the difference.
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 06:47:03 PM
I think the basic respect thing really applies. There's no need to post something on your blog first, or to announce that it's not public domain. Basic respect (and the law) dictates that you own your work and you get to decide what happens to it. Including granting copyright if you feel like it.
And Rat; let's not confuse the issue with personal catfights. I am pretty sure you can tell the difference.
My point is that during the inception and development of the BiP and Intermittens posters weren't all that concerned about public domain vs who owned the work. It was a huge collaborative pile of awesome.
And I think the personal 'catfight' I mentioned above typified the change. I didn't mean it personally, it was an example of how concerned we as a whole seem to be about ownership.
Hell, even if we consider the last dustup over who owned what... what happened to that great content that Cram was going to start formatting? It's buried somewhere here... with no working search engine.
The BiP affected people. I personally KNOW people that changed their lifestyle and thought processes because they read it.
And that is the crux of the matter. What do we want PD to be? A place to post our personal creative content for a few friends, or a place where content can inspire total strangers? The best stuff to come out of PD, the stuff from its most productive periods, seems to fall in the latter category.
If its just a place to share our personal creative stuff with friends, then its probably going to continue to be like it is today. A few people, occasional awesome stuff and not much else.
For me personally, the PD changed my life... changed it 123.5% and I read it because the authors wanted to hit people in the head with an idea, rather than make sure they got the credit and money from the idea. For me personally, when I write about Discordianism, I feel like I'm 'paying it forward' (to use a tired meme). If I never make money from it, but some of it inspires some other poor schmuck... I'll consider it a success. PD used to feel more like that and I think the drop in creative content, may, partially, be due to a lot of discussion over rights and ownership and control.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:03:23 PM
PD used to feel more like that and I think the drop in creative content, may, partially, be due to a lot of discussion over rights and ownership and control.
Balls. The decline began 6 months before the blow up.
And you are free to post whatever you write, and let people do whatever they want with it. The only question here is whether or not people have enough respect for each other to respect their wishes as to what is or is not done with things they right. IOW, your choice to use Kopyleft does not imply an obligation for other people to do the same. Nor does a person's beliefs about Kopyleft give them an ethical right to lift other peoples' work.
Some people don't give a shit about what happens with their work. Some - myself included - do, on principle. Some, like Nigel, have plans to use their work elsewhere.
Again, it comes down to whether or not a person feels that the people they are dealing with are actually people, with the right to keep their own work...or give it away, as
they see fit.
In the inception and development nobody was concerned about who owned what, because nobody tried to assert ownership of anything until after the fact, which is exactly what caused the problem.
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Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:03:23 PM
PD used to feel more like that and I think the drop in creative content, may, partially, be due to a lot of discussion over rights and ownership and control.
Balls. The decline began 6 months before the blow up.
That wasn't the first fight on the topic... just the most recent. Remember Intermittens? Lots and lots of creativity, then a fight over money and then... it died.
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And you are free to post whatever you write, and let people do whatever they want with it. The only question here is whether or not people have enough respect for each other to respect their wishes as to what is or is not done with things they right. IOW, your choice to use Kopyleft does not imply an obligation for other people to do the same. Nor does a person's beliefs about Kopyleft give them an ethical right to lift other peoples' work.
I agree 100%. It should be a simple understanding that you don't take someone elses work, claim it as your own and make money from it. My point was that the arguments/debates/etc over that issue seems to have killed some of the creativity. What works for me may not work for you or Nigel. But 20 pages of people yelling back and forth isn't gonna inspire much confidence in a poster putting their content here.
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Again, it comes down to whether or not a person feels that the people they are dealing with are actually people, with the right to keep their own work...or give it away, as they see fit.
Yes. I have never stolen someone elses work... ever. I have high school english teachers that would rise from the grave and cover me with red marker if I tried.
During the development of the BiP and Intermittens though... that wasn't an issue. The authors, yourself included were writing for a purpose and as long as the byline had your name... I don't recall any big fights on the topic.
Some of the fights that started though... weren't about people stealing other peoples work. The first Intermittens fight (IIRC) was about someone wanting to do a published version and recoup the costs of paper publishing. The fight with Cram was over who had the right to start putting together a formatted version of some content. The argument with WHN was over a topic title.
I'm not saying anyone is to blame for this... but I think the specter of $ and the lack of mutual respect may well have done some serious damage to the creative content. And as far as I'm concerned this goes equally for anyone swiping content. For the people that prefer some control, they don't want to post here... for the people that want maximum distribution of ideas, they don't want to touch anything that someone else posts.
I DON'T THINK YOU ARE WRONG. We're looking at both sides of a single coin.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:03:23 PM
PD used to feel more like that and I think the drop in creative content, may, partially, be due to a lot of discussion over rights and ownership and control.
Balls. The decline began 6 months before the blow up.
That wasn't the first fight on the topic... just the most recent. Remember Intermittens? Lots and lots of creativity, then a fight over money and then... it died.
The fight was over the first intermittens. How many intermittens were there?
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
During the development of the BiP and Intermittens though... that wasn't an issue. The authors, yourself included were writing for a purpose and as long as the byline had your name... I don't recall any big fights on the topic.
Not until someone decided that A) Intermittens 1 was
their work, and B) Decided to use it for profit, without even asking the actual authors.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Some of the fights that started though... weren't about people stealing other peoples work. The first Intermittens fight (IIRC) was about someone wanting to do a published version and recoup the costs of paper publishing.
I think you mean "for beer money".
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
I'm not saying anyone is to blame for this... but I think the specter of $ and the lack of mutual respect may well have done some serious damage to the creative content.
The lack of
mutual respect?
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Some of the fights that started though... weren't about people stealing other peoples work. The first Intermittens fight (IIRC) was about someone wanting to do a published version and recoup the costs of paper publishing.
For beer money. And that was a particular person, who, not coincidentally, people later objected to. It's not as if all these issues are unrelated.
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
Yeah, hey, I'm done with this discussion. Life's too short to argue the same thing TEN times, with people who have already decided what happened, facts be damned.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
OK. Since the problem seems to have left the site, I'm sure creative content will return shortly and this lull is short term.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
OK. Since the problem seems to have left the site, I'm sure creative content will return shortly and this lull is short term.
As RWHN and I both pointed out, the decline preceded the fucking argument, and the intermittens thing didn't prevent several more intermittens issues.
But well done, Rat. Mission accomplished.
I tend to agree with Rat's overall sentiment regarding the projects. There definitely has been a shift over time. He's right, when BiP was being put together, we didn't seem to give a damn about money, copyright, etc. A couple people wanted, rightfully so, to make sure they were attributed in a certain way, but that was the extent of it. We were all throwing in because we wanted to assault eyes and ears with our shit. Same with the POEEcasts. We just wanted to spread the weirdness. Somewhere along the way that changed. I don't know how or why that happened.
But, that aside, I'm still not sure that this issue was really any kind of nail in the coffin in terms of board traffic and activity. Traffic had been on a slow decline for awhile. In the past year it feels like the floor just fell out. I still chalk it up mostly to people having ever involved and demanding lives. I don't think the board snark and fights have helped much either, but those have been around forever as well.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 27, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
I tend to agree with Rat's overall sentiment regarding the projects.
Figured you might.
We just need some new blood. Some young whipper-snappers without kids, who are going to school, who want to take the world by the short and curlies and scream in its face.
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 27, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
We just need some new blood. Some young whipper-snappers without kids, who are going to school, who want to take the world by the short and curlies and scream in its face.
Well, the first thing you need to do, is not target them.
(This is aimed at riffing off the advertising concepts discussed a few weeks ago, and the idea we should be trying to attract people who use facebook/twitter/wtfever)
People who use social media often are constantly targeted by advertising campaigns. They are endemic, and I think that they now do more to drown out the message than to communicate anything. The problem with breaking into social media networks is that they are designed to be a closed system. That is; the majority of people who use them do not want to interact with people they do not know or express an interest in beforehand.
The exception to this are the people, groups and companies that use these platforms to send out their message. By riding on their signal, you can draw attention without seeming to be forceful or pushy.
SO if you want to break into the twitter crowd, setting up a discordian identity and using it to post memebombs and similar (on-topic) quotes when subjects arise on celebrity feeds might not be a bad way to go, for instance.
On the other hand, anything that screams 'I am a marketing tool trying to convince you to do something' is going to immediately count out 9/10 members of your potential audience.
Of course, advertising IRL, leaving copies of Intermittens and the BIP in coffee shops etc, that sort of thing may also be a good tactic... but I don't know, I don't have much experience with viral marketing campaigns. I have been reading an absurd amount about social networking theory lately, though. (And I still don't have a facebook, suck it Zuckerburg!)
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 27, 2012, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 27, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
We just need some new blood. Some young whipper-snappers without kids, who are going to school, who want to take the world by the short and curlies and scream in its face.
Well, the first thing you need to do, is not target them.
(This is aimed at riffing off the advertising concepts discussed a few weeks ago, and the idea we should be trying to attract people who use facebook/twitter/wtfever)
People who use social media often are constantly targeted by advertising campaigns. They are endemic, and I think that they now do more to drown out the message than to communicate anything. The problem with breaking into social media networks is that they are designed to be a closed system. That is; the majority of people who use them do not want to interact with people they do not know or express an interest in beforehand.
The exception to this are the people, groups and companies that use these platforms to send out their message. By riding on their signal, you can draw attention without seeming to be forceful or pushy.
SO if you want to break into the twitter crowd, setting up a discordian identity and using it to post memebombs and similar (on-topic) quotes when subjects arise on celebrity feeds might not be a bad way to go, for instance.
On the other hand, anything that screams 'I am a marketing tool trying to convince you to do something' is going to immediately count out 9/10 members of your potential audience.
Of course, advertising IRL, leaving copies of Intermittens and the BIP in coffee shops etc, that sort of thing may also be a good tactic... but I don't know, I don't have much experience with viral marketing campaigns. I have been reading an absurd amount about social networking theory lately, though. (And I still don't have a facebook, suck it Zuckerburg!)
I have a good idea for a flyer...
Gimme a few hours.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
OK. Since the problem seems to have left the site, I'm sure creative content will return shortly and this lull is short term.
"The problem" isn't a person.
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
OK. Since the problem seems to have left the site, I'm sure creative content will return shortly and this lull is short term.
"The problem" isn't a person.
I'm a bit of a sucker, Nigel. I honestly thought Rat was willing to let the butthurt go.
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.
Well, I'd like to try something that we've talked about, but rarely done: A flyer blitz, directing people here.
I just have to think of a way to word my version of it so that we don't get overrun with emotards.
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.
I recruited a guy once.
And then he accidentally the eyes of a wolf. :sad:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
Ah, well then I'm wrong and the problem is Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg, you've screwed us all!
You're half right.
The thing is, you continue to misrepresent the actual conflicts, and insist on blaming the creative people who didn't want to have their shit misappropriated to serve someone else's ego. Keep rewriting history, little rockstar!
This is not a new issue. It's been going on for years. Cain and Roger were both bitching about it when I forst got here. Shit on the producers for too long, what happens?
OK. Since the problem seems to have left the site, I'm sure creative content will return shortly and this lull is short term.
"The problem" isn't a person.
I'm a bit of a sucker, Nigel. I honestly thought Rat was willing to let the butthurt go.
NEVAR! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2012, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.
Well, I'd like to try something that we've talked about, but rarely done: A flyer blitz, directing people here.
I just have to think of a way to word my version of it so that we don't get overrun with emotards.
I'm willing to participate.
Because it does seem like finding online places to be total dicks is meeting with slim pickings these days.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 27, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.
I recruited a guy once.
And then he accidentally the eyes of a wolf. :sad:
To be honest, having him here was truly a life-changing experience.
I didn't want a life-changing experience, but I looked into the eyes of a Wolfpoet, and, well...
Also, while I'm all about the enthusiasm for IRL recruitment, I would like to point out that recruitment in and of itself is not a strategy destined for success. If they turn up here and all they find is...well, the last two days in essence, lots of gaping silence and little else, they are not going to be inclined to stay.
Quote from: Cain on March 27, 2012, 09:26:45 PM
I didn't want a life-changing experience, but I looked into the eyes of a Wolfpoet, and, well...
Also, while I'm all about the enthusiasm for IRL recruitment, I would like to point out that recruitment in and of itself is not a strategy destined for success. If they turn up here and all they find is...well, the last two days in essence, lots of gaping silence and little else, they are not going to be inclined to stay.
Well, that will have to change, won't it?
Because I spent the previous several days writing content, and it seemed like there was nobody there to read it.
Chicken/egg/whatever. I don't know about you, Cain, but I feel like I've been screaming into a void.
The last two days have been especially dire, yes.
Recruitment is definitely part of a move in the right direction, but I just didn't want the (very welcome) enthusiasm for it causing people to overlook the other issues. It's part of the fix, certainly, but other things will have to change, as well.
Quote from: Cain on March 27, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
The last two days have been especially dire, yes.
Recruitment is definitely part of a move in the right direction, but I just didn't want the (very welcome) enthusiasm for it causing people to overlook the other issues. It's part of the fix, certainly, but other things will have to change, as well.
I'm all ears.
I'm still thinking. Unfortunately, a cold is not aiding this process.
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
One of the first things that brought me here in the first place was ColbertGASM. I sent stuff to him before I even posted here.
Trolling people on the Internet is all good fun, but with what we are capable of, and the goals that we actually do share, I can't help but think that there are people put there we can make cringe and cry and gnash their teeth. Focused efforts on individuals or small groups from angles and tactics beyond online activities. We could take turns with people in our respective areas. I dunno. I think that'd get people active.
Yeah i cant really get on board with a trolling expedition. I only like trolling in small amounts and thats more likely than not to attract posters who are here to counter troll rather than become a pder
I'm not sure how trolling somewhere else creates content here, other than a few posts on the invisible board that interested users won't even be able to see.
We need a crass marketing-ploy.
Time to resurrect Project Meme-Boobs!
I think its worth considering we are old.
Today's yutes are not interested in trolling.
They are doing that weird thing. Behind the wood shed. We tell ouselves we used to do that, but we really have no idea.
Also - I feel rude referring to 'us' as 'we'
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't
hate.
So the solution is more hate.
4:30:30
Quote from: rong on March 28, 2012, 12:24:33 AM
So the solution is more hate.
Starting with you.
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
Me too. I spent a good chunk of time researching, brainstorming, collecting/making images and writing a bunch of material and then the entire invasion was shitcanned at the last minute.
That was on the heels of putting a similar amount of time into an illustration for Gogira only to find out that she already went ahead with the project without an illustration and didn't bother to tell anyone, but felt it appropriate to take a vague shit on what I made for her via pm.
I don't have time for this any more. I'm putting school on hold in order to work as many jobs as possible to support my daughter and putting my creative energy into collaborative projects with people I know IRL that won't give me the shaft at the last minute.
At least people's writing can stand alone and can be published in the future as you see fit. The stuff I was working on is useless out of context and a complete waste of time. It was tailored to a specific purpose.
I'm not going to be around much. I'm involved in a start-up, a production gig, and an all-consuming search for a regular paycheck. I still like you guys, and I'll keep tabs on what's happening around here, but life and my own failures as a person have relegated me to being an observer (not that I've ever produced much worthwhile content here).
Speaking as a shitty father and shitty PD member,
may butts be on your face.
The invasion wasn't shitcanned. Rather, only a couple of people showed up, and even though I was there and poised, my heart wasn't in it because I find it oddly difficult to hate people that pathetic. It's like hating those guys on the realdoll forum.
Oh! Oh! Is it my turn to flounce?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
So, if you can't beat 'em, drop on all fours and join the herd, I guess.
Come here and let me stick it in you!
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
So, if you can't beat 'em, drop on all fours and join the herd, I guess.
Come here and let me stick it in you!
:fap:
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I tried 3 times, and nobody responded. In fact, in the week after I posted, there were only like 2 more posts on the whole board that weren't one of us.
We just need a better target.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 28, 2012, 03:30:31 AM
Oh! Oh! Is it my turn to flounce?
Girl, "flounce" is my middle name.
When I make dessert, I add a cup of cake-flounce.
On fridays, I eat beer-battered filet of
flouncer.
When I leave, a party, I say "It's time for me to make like a ball and
flounce."
I go to a bar and they fix my drinks with 1.5
flounces of liquor.
My son's birthday is in October which, in the south, is still nice weather for an outdoor party. This year, I'm thinking about renting him a Moon-flounce.
Awww...yeah...da fruit don't flounce far from da tree.
Dok Howl: WHAT IN FUCK'S STINKING RETCH-HOLE ARE YOU DOING, NAVKAT?
Navkat: I'm masturbating myself on the internets, Howl. Can't you see?
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:05:04 AM
Dok Howl: WHAT IN FUCK'S STINKING RETCH-HOLE ARE YOU DOING, NAVKAT?
Navkat: I'm masturbating myself on the internets, Howl. Can't you see?
Sorry, I had my junk up against the screen, over at capitol grilling. BRB.
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan
and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
Dammit...back to google.
dID SHE FLOUNCE? Oh wai. Caps lock was still on.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:37:19 AM
dID SHE FLOUNCE? Oh wai. Caps lock was still on.
I loves me some patronizing shit, yes I do.
I am known for dealing well with it.
wELL PULL UP A CHAIR, THEN! i NEEDS SOME ABUSING AND i HEARD YOU JUST BOUGHT A NEW SET OF THEM BOXING MITTENS.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:43:52 AM
wELL PULL UP A CHAIR, THEN! i NEEDS SOME ABUSING AND i HEARD YOU JUST BOUGHT A NEW SET OF THEM BOXING MITTENS.
YOU'RE SICK, MISTER!
You don't know the half of it, cupcake. :horrormirth:
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:47:46 AM
You don't know the half of it, cupcake. :horrormirth:
I, on the other hand, am the king of stable thinking and not at all the king of hellish mood swings.
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Just some thoughts re: content.
Most people won't expect daily brilliance. That's something that is/was all but unique to PD.com. Take a step back and take an objective look at what IS available, and you've got some great writing scattered about the board particularly in Or Kill Me, Aneristic Illusions, and TFYS, which are clearly labelled as the 'content' areas of the site (as far as someone reading Roger's flyer would see it).
And then you dig deeper and you find more awesome stuff in every other subforum.
What might be helpful would be stickying up some of the best examples, maybe, or putting together a newbie guide - a sort of 'narrated tour of PD.com', but from looking at other forums, I think we're pretty good content-wise, really.
Also re: trolling.
I'm wondering if the same rules apply.
Seems to be find target, assult, repeat.
Is that still the best strategy? I just know I saw an intercaction at the PUA site along the lines of "hey, you're here too? See you at stylelife."
If someone decided to irritate us by hitting here, eb&g and the Facebook page at once, it would be super effective.
Is the new perfect troll a community troll?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:51:21 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:47:46 AM
You don't know the half of it, cupcake. :horrormirth:
I, on the other hand, am the king of stable thinking and not at all the king of hellish mood swings.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on March 28, 2012, 07:05:17 AM
Just some thoughts re: content.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleveland%20steamer
Quote1. Cleveland Steamer 215 up, 85 down
When you put plastic wrap over someone's mouth and shit inside their mouth. The plastic wrap then acts as a shit condom inside their mouth.
Try to use heavy duty plastic wrap when giving a Cleveland Steamer- unless the recipient doesn't mind a little corn in their diet.
You were saying..?
did U mean /-/ate? My guess is Yes | there will be no way
to LoVe ones way through " 0 UAYEB (POISONED) "
Quote from: rong on March 28, 2012, 12:24:33 AM
So the solution is more hate.
HATE IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR LURVE!
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW.
If you meet the Joycean/Leary ripoff artist on the road, kill him.
Honestly though, a lot of us here have read RAW, and some (myself included) had been holding him is a pseudo-guru status. Which is laughable. So, in the spirit of "Kill Your Idols", we trash him.
Dok Howl, however, hates his stinking guts.
I think as far as the raw thing goes- i3! Was good but theres a difference between going "ok cool" and maybe going back to reread it time and again and a sort of... Gah. Let me get back to that thought. I just woke up and the brains not booted up quite yet.
I've never read any RAW, probably never will. Just don't have the time on my hands.
In fact, other than the PD, I don't think I've ready anything else that is part of the "mandatory reading" list.
As I've described before, the PD really just made me more aware of stuff I was already thinking and feeling. I just didn't have a label for it. (How Discordian is that?) So I never felt compelled to read any of those other things. I like fleshing things out on my own and bouncing stuff off of some of the other spags here and those who used to be here.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW.
If you meet the Joycean/Leary ripoff artist on the road, kill him.
Honestly though, a lot of us here have read RAW, and some (myself included) had been holding him is a pseudo-guru status. Which is laughable. So, in the spirit of "Kill Your Idols", we trash him.
Dok Howl, however, hates his stinking guts.
HE CAN'T END A FUCKING STORY WITHOUT DESCENDING INTO BABBLING.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW.
If you meet the Joycean/Leary ripoff artist on the road, kill him.
Honestly though, a lot of us here have read RAW, and some (myself included) had been holding him is a pseudo-guru status. Which is laughable. So, in the spirit of "Kill Your Idols", we trash him.
Dok Howl, however, hates his stinking guts.
HE CAN'T END A FUCKING STORY WITHOUT DESCENDING INTO BABBLING.
FLYING-SAILING ON WINDLESS FIELDS WITH YEELLOWBLUEORANGE CLOUDS OF DRIPPING EFFLUENCE MASHING THE FOREVER DAYS INTO ENDLESS NOTCHES OF MARITIME MOORISH MAHOGANY MEN WITH BULGES AND BALONEY AND POPSICLE ENTRANCES TO CAVERNS OF GOLD AND SILVER AND PLATTER-NUMS HELD TO STANDARDS BEARING STANDARD TO STAND AND DELIVER FNORD.
The end.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW.
If you meet the Joycean/Leary ripoff artist on the road, kill him.
Honestly though, a lot of us here have read RAW, and some (myself included) had been holding him is a pseudo-guru status. Which is laughable. So, in the spirit of "Kill Your Idols", we trash him.
Dok Howl, however, hates his stinking guts.
HE CAN'T END A FUCKING STORY WITHOUT DESCENDING INTO BABBLING.
FLYING-SAILING ON WINDLESS FIELDS WITH YEELLOWBLUEORANGE CLOUDS OF DRIPPING EFFLUENCE MASHING THE FOREVER DAYS INTO ENDLESS NOTCHES OF MARITIME MOORISH MAHOGANY MEN WITH BULGES AND BALONEY AND POPSICLE ENTRANCES TO CAVERNS OF GOLD AND SILVER AND PLATTER-NUMS HELD TO STANDARDS BEARING STANDARD TO STAND AND DELIVER FNORD.
The end.
:crankey:
I READ LIKE 1500 PAGES, AND THEN IT ENDS LIKE THAT!
True facts: RAW wrote the ending for Lost. And Battlestar Galactica. And Mass Effect 3.
Three words: Apple glory-hole.
Is that a new iPhone app?
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2012, 03:13:13 PM
True facts: RAW wrote the ending for Lost. And Battlestar Galactica. And Mass Effect 3.
:lol:
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 03:33:02 PM
Three words: Apple glory-hole.
So, fine. He has
some redeeming qualities as a writer....
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
As far as I can tell, his non-fiction is mostly a re-stating of Timothy Leary's work.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
As far as I can tell, his non-fiction is mostly a re-stating of Timothy Leary's work.
Some of his books are definitely a layman's view of Leary's work , particularly Prometheus Rising. He spends a lot more time discussing the practical value and personal application; Leary's books are much more like reading a doctorate thesis on the theory. Some of his other stuff is pretty interesting
Quantum Psychology, for example is a book designed for group reading with exercises and discussion points at the end of each chapter. It's more like a primer on the application of perception modification (a lot could be considered 'jailbreaking' in PD.com vocabulary) and Leary's model. I always thought it would be fun to discuss online here.
He also wrote several books discussing the sexual revolution, women's rights etc. which were pretty good for the era they were written in.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
As far as I can tell, his non-fiction is mostly a re-stating of Timothy Leary's work.
That's what I got from cosmic trigger. What a load of ol' rubbish.
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
As far as I can tell, his non-fiction is mostly a re-stating of Timothy Leary's work.
That's what I got from cosmic trigger. What a load of ol' rubbish.
I actually liked Cosmic Trigger a lot. But it kind of weirded me out the massive man boner he has in that book for Leary.
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 28, 2012, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
I think his non fiction is far better than his fiction personally.
As far as I can tell, his non-fiction is mostly a re-stating of Timothy Leary's work.
That's what I got from cosmic trigger. What a load of ol' rubbish.
I actually liked Cosmic Trigger a lot. But it kind of weirded me out the massive man boner he has in that book for Leary.
Well, it helped having someone write Leary's work after Leary was discredited. It's pretty effective stuff, and is heavily used by Madison avenue & political consultants.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Some people here don't like RAW.
Some people do.
That's a problem, somehow?
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Some people here don't like RAW.
Some people do.
That's a problem, somehow?
I think we offended his religious beliefs.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 03:56:12 AM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I tried 3 times, and nobody responded. In fact, in the week after I posted, there were only like 2 more posts on the whole board that weren't one of us.
We just need a better target.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to troll a board when it
has no members that aren't us. Might as well troll Church of Google.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 03:57:41 AM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 28, 2012, 03:30:31 AM
Oh! Oh! Is it my turn to flounce?
Girl, "flounce" is my middle name.
When I make dessert, I add a cup of cake-flounce.
On fridays, I eat beer-battered filet of flouncer.
When I leave, a party, I say "It's time for me to make like a ball and flounce."
I go to a bar and they fix my drinks with 1.5 flounces of liquor.
:lulz: I like you.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Some people here don't like RAW.
Some people do.
That's a problem, somehow?
I think we offended his religious beliefs.
Heh, RAW would flame someone for thinking he was a religion as well :D
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:03:11 AM
My son's birthday is in October which, in the south, is still nice weather for an outdoor party. This year, I'm thinking about renting him a Moon-flounce.
Awww...yeah...da fruit don't flounce far from da tree.
Ooooh, what day? My son's is the 9th.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
That's too bad, because today's thread of the day is "chaos and order".
I'm bookmarking this, just in case.
I used to criticize RAW mainly because I knew it would make a certain contingent of Discordians screech with fan-boi rage. I'm very much a "no gurus" kind of person, so watching people treat him as The Discordian Guru used to...well, kinda annoy me a little.
RAW himself I'm more ambivalent about. He had some interesting ideas...but a lot of crap ones too. And, well, we all know about his writing style...
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
I used to criticize RAW mainly because I knew it would make a certain contingent of Discordians screech with fan-boi rage. I'm very much a "no gurus" kind of person, so watching people treat him as The Discordian Guru used to...well, kinda annoy me a little.
RAW himself I'm more ambivalent about. He had some interesting ideas...but a lot of crap ones too. And, well, we all know about his writing style...
RAW was once asked what his current focus was and he said "Well, mostly selling more books and making some money."
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
It worked for me!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:38:00 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:37:19 AM
dID SHE FLOUNCE? Oh wai. Caps lock was still on.
I loves me some patronizing shit, yes I do.
I am known for dealing well with it.
I thought she was making a funny.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 07:30:33 AM
Also re: trolling.
I'm wondering if the same rules apply.
Seems to be find target, assult, repeat.
Is that still the best strategy? I just know I saw an intercaction at the PUA site along the lines of "hey, you're here too? See you at stylelife."
If someone decided to irritate us by hitting here, eb&g and the Facebook page at once, it would be super effective.
Is the new perfect troll a community troll?
"Rules"?
:lulz:
Just do what you think is funny. If it's funny, other people will follow you.
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:38:00 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 04:37:19 AM
dID SHE FLOUNCE? Oh wai. Caps lock was still on.
I loves me some patronizing shit, yes I do.
I am known for dealing well with it.
I thought she was making a funny.
Well, it came across a little differently for me. I mean, I was frustrated as hell when I posted the OP - which I probably shouldn't have done - and what she posted came across as more than a little condescending.
Might just be my perception, though.
Having heard a bit more, I'm going to retract that statement.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
I used to criticize RAW mainly because I knew it would make a certain contingent of Discordians screech with fan-boi rage. I'm very much a "no gurus" kind of person, so watching people treat him as The Discordian Guru used to...well, kinda annoy me a little.
RAW himself I'm more ambivalent about. He had some interesting ideas...but a lot of crap ones too. And, well, we all know about his writing style...
RAW was once asked what his current focus was and he said "Well, mostly selling more books and making some money."
:lulz:
What's especially funny is that I'm pretty sure I remember some people having a go at Doloras LaPicho (Chaos Marxism) for saying almost exactly the same thing about him.
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
It worked for me!
Thanks for the reminder, I got an activation mail in my spamcatcher account too.
Helruna. :lulz:
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
It worked for me!
Thanks for the reminder, I got an activation mail in my spamcatcher account too.
Helruna. :lulz:
The reg page 404'd me.
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
GWB did it even better.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
GWB did it even better.
As in the Clown Prince of Texas?
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
GWB did it even better.
As in the Clown Prince of Texas?
Yeah.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
It worked for me!
Thanks for the reminder, I got an activation mail in my spamcatcher account too.
Helruna. :lulz:
The reg page 404'd me.
Maybe just a glitch? If you can get in, I highly recommend it. I already hate the shit out of these people. I'm in as an Orcadian Druid.
God, I love having the most obscure European heritage ever. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2012, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2012, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
In my opinion we need more organized trolling. Nothing strengthens communal bonds like crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Plus Im still kind of pissed about how our PUA jihad sputtered out and died.
I agree; organized trolling is GOOD CLEAN FUN and also it's a TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.
The problem I've been having is that I can't seem to find good targets anymore. Forums like the Cellar and TCC; people who fill me with loathing and contempt. It's no good when I just feel kind of sorry for them. I don't get that nerve-zap of divine inspiration if I don't hate.
This one looks woowoo pagan and racist...what's not to hate? :p
hxxp://forums.skadi.net/index.php?s=373c7ea2ff8633d87dc85440f064c31e
Gotta be regged, and the reg is borked.
It worked for me!
Thanks for the reminder, I got an activation mail in my spamcatcher account too.
Helruna. :lulz:
The reg page 404'd me.
Maybe just a glitch? If you can get in, I highly recommend it. I already hate the shit out of these people. I'm in as an Orcadian Druid.
God, I love having the most obscure European heritage ever. :lulz:
I'll try again tonight.
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
I used to criticize RAW mainly because I knew it would make a certain contingent of Discordians screech with fan-boi rage. I'm very much a "no gurus" kind of person, so watching people treat him as The Discordian Guru used to...well, kinda annoy me a little.
RAW himself I'm more ambivalent about. He had some interesting ideas...but a lot of crap ones too. And, well, we all know about his writing style...
RAW was once asked what his current focus was and he said "Well, mostly selling more books and making some money."
:lulz:
What's especially funny is that I'm pretty sure I remember some people having a go at Doloras LaPicho (Chaos Marxism) for saying almost exactly the same thing about him.
Well, in that instance it was some college lecture and some members of the audience gasp audibly at his comment. But RAW never really made a secret of it, or of his disgust of 'disciples'. One of my favorite quotes from him is "A disciple is just an asshole looking for a human being to attach itself to".
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
I love DA (see the Wikipedia entry on Towel Day). I think he is definitely among the great Discordian non-prophets, I'd say Hunter Thompson was another...
For me, RAW was especially useful because of my personal background (born and raised a Jehovah's Witness for 23 years). I know that there are plenty of other people that have written stuff like RAW's, but for me, the style and the philosophy was what really kicked my pineal gland into full gear. ;-)
The fun as philosophy was good... but the argument for Maybe Logic was so much more powerful for me. Having spent so long 'knowing the Truth' (a JW idiom for being in the religion)... it was a shock and a very powerful tool to realize that I didn't need to know the truth... but could deal with shades of maybe. But, I also know that it worked for me, based on my BiP... and it doesn't/couldn't/shouldn't work for everyone :)
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 06:40:12 PM
For me, RAW was especially useful because of my personal background (born and raised a Jehovah's Witness for 23 years).
Dude, in my teens, my friend Dave had a huge van and my "posse" (of sad-sack RPG nerds and 90s Manic Panic gravers) used to go out "Land Pirating." Our favorite thing to do was during Christmastime, we'd go out and steal all the decorations off the North Shore mansions then painstakingly and lovingly decorate the houses and churches the Jehovah's Witnesses around our town.
I guess I was Discordian before I'd ever even heard the word uttered. (And yes, I
was Cult of Ecstasy when we played Mage)
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pineal gland into full gear. ;-)
Aaaand, you lost me.
QuoteThe fun as philosophy was good... but the argument for Maybe Logic was so much more powerful for me. Having spent so long 'knowing the Truth' (a JW idiom for being in the religion)... it was a shock and a very powerful tool to realize that I didn't need to know the truth... but could deal with shades of maybe. But, I also know that it worked for me, based on my BiP... and it doesn't/couldn't/shouldn't work for everyone :)
Dude, the only Truth I know in this world is that we're all chock full of bullshit and don't know what the fuck we're doing. My homeopathic remedy for the resulting psychological brain-freeze is to play "Entry of the Gladiators" as loud as it will go and fuck myself with a squeaky-toy.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 06:40:12 PM
For me, RAW was especially useful because of my personal background (born and raised a Jehovah's Witness for 23 years).
Dude, in my teens, my friend Dave had a huge van and my "posse" (of sad-sack RPG nerds and 90s Manic Panic gravers) used to go out "Land Pirating." Our favorite thing to do was during Christmastime, we'd go out and steal all the decorations off the North Shore mansions then painstakingly and lovingly decorate the houses and churches the Jehovah's Witnesses around our town.
:lulz:
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pineal gland into full gear. ;-)
Aaaand, you lost me.
wink face to indicate tongue in cheek pineal reference... sorry
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QuoteThe fun as philosophy was good... but the argument for Maybe Logic was so much more powerful for me. Having spent so long 'knowing the Truth' (a JW idiom for being in the religion)... it was a shock and a very powerful tool to realize that I didn't need to know the truth... but could deal with shades of maybe. But, I also know that it worked for me, based on my BiP... and it doesn't/couldn't/shouldn't work for everyone :)
Dude, the only Truth I know in this world is that we're all chock full of bullshit and don't know what the fuck we're doing. My homeopathic remedy for the resulting psychological brain-freeze is to play "Entry of the Gladiators" as loud as it will go and fuck myself with a squeaky-toy.
:lulz:
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
Dude, the only Truth I know in this world is that we're all chock full of bullshit and don't know what the fuck we're doing.
I can name 10 more Objective Truths in this world, right off the top of my head.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
Dude, the only Truth I know in this world is that we're all chock full of bullshit and don't know what the fuck we're doing.
I can name 10 more Objective Truths in this world, right off the top of my head.
And that's why I am the Padawan and you are the Master.
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
Dude, the only Truth I know in this world is that we're all chock full of bullshit and don't know what the fuck we're doing.
I can name 10 more Objective Truths in this world, right off the top of my head.
And that's why I am the Padawan and you are the Master.
CHOP MY ARGUMENT INTO SEVEN PIECES YOU COULD, IF A JEDI YOU WERE.
I missed half of this conversation but I'm butting in now only to say I've been busy doing things like this
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/gnome.jpg)
to garden gnomes.
My IRL life is full of new career that I hate followed by home projects I haven't finished and a crippling depression from lack of any real creative outlet.
the kind I want.
I feel like a cog in a machine off to the side spinning by myself cause it doesn't wanna touch the other cogs and I'm mad at them for all their purpose. Like jealousy only with more rage and less "wish it was me".
I haven't been posting too much because my creative juices have pretty much stopped and I haven't much to add to the board other than angry blurting yelling for no reason. Which is pretty much how I act in person. How awful it is to know me.
I miss getting out of town, having days off or a minute to myself.
I want a do-over.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
My IRL life is full of new career that I hate followed by home projects I haven't finished and a crippling depression from lack of any real creative outlet.
the kind I want.
The pig will not kick itself, woman.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
I haven't been posting too much because my creative juices have pretty much stopped and I haven't much to add to the board other than angry blurting yelling for no reason.
I kinda like your angry yelling. :)
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
Which is pretty much how I act in person.
:banana:
I'm on interbutts probation at work because I'm violating a vague rule that keeps changing, so I'm effectively out of the game even more than my lurking ass ever was.
It does suck when some content gets posted and it just slips down the page, though. It's not even lack of posts in the threads; nobody reads them either. It'll get a dozen reads and then it's done. I'm not upset about it, but it does say that there isn't any interest in my content here so I might as well not put it up. It can go unread just as well on a blog as it can on a forum. I can imagine how much more frustrating that is for continuous producers rather than someone like myself who just puts some shit up every few months.
Anyone know how IRC has been lately? Is that place as much of a dead zone as this one is?
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
I missed half of this conversation but I'm butting in now only to say I've been busy doing things like this
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/gnome.jpg)
to garden gnomes.
I love you.
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
I missed half of this conversation but I'm butting in now only to say I've been busy doing things like this
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/gnome.jpg)
to garden gnomes.
I love you.
I wish I could see the pic. :(
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
I missed half of this conversation but I'm butting in now only to say I've been busy doing things like this
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/gnome.jpg)
to garden gnomes.
I love you.
I wish I could see the pic. :(
I think he's pulling his intestines out of his mouth. I WANT ONE.
Does this help?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ynWSwD1qvkc/T3NXUKIAaMI/AAAAAAAAAc0/4PtmdcBNlyM/s533/Gnome.jpg)
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Not in the least.
I AM HERE TO HELP!!
I am posting from the school library!
This will start happening a lot in the future because of bad scheduling on my part.
I think ive only been on irc 3 times so i cant really say.
The last four hours on IRC:
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Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Some people here don't like RAW.
Some people do.
That's a problem, somehow?
I think we offended his religious beliefs.
Heh, RAW would flame someone for thinking he was a religion as well :D
Yeah, you know, this is the part that shits me. Sorry I added anything.
Yes, it's all about RAW, that's the whole reason I don't post as much. Whatever you want to believe.
Fucking hell, lighten up already.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
There's more traffic at Capitol Grilling, for fuck's sake.
Everyone has time for everything except Eris. Nothing like a good, old-fashioned snub, right? :lulz:
This shit has officially gotten old. Figure I'll fuck off and check back in on Friday, and see if anyone's been by.
But Tiny Tower is really important. And easier than thinking.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 29, 2012, 04:44:09 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 28, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 28, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
What I mean to say is that the stuff posted here recently isn't the kind of thing I'm usually into, and judging by responses, what I'm posing isn't generally taking a lot of interest either. That's ok; it just means I'm in a bit of a low posting stage.
I'm still poking the PUAs btw.
I came here first learning about Discordia, and actually gave up on it when I read the 'recommended Discordian works and saw someone getting flamed for recommending RAW. In the end I got back here after reading and enjoying the Intermittens stuff. One of my first posts was to declare I wanted to edit an edition. So projects like that are good.
As for gettin a project going? I don't know. I'm not honestly optimistic, but like I said, I think things are cyclical. This time next year there could be an influx of creative energy bubbling away.
I still post and will continue to. But right now there's not a lot of discussions that 'click'.
Some people here don't like RAW.
Some people do.
That's a problem, somehow?
I think we offended his religious beliefs.
Heh, RAW would flame someone for thinking he was a religion as well :D
Yeah, you know, this is the part that shits me. Sorry I added anything.
Yes, it's all about RAW, that's the whole reason I don't post as much. Whatever you want to believe.
Ok wait,
which part is pissing you off? And why?
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
Speaking of Douglas Adamns.... They've turned Dirk Gently into a tv show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XdQIUF-YsE
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 29, 2012, 04:50:40 AM
Fucking hell, lighten up already.
Yeah, righto. Sorry. Got some irl shit going on, didn't mean to snark.
I posted the story because I was trying to say that while I originally found the tone of the place off-putting, being a part of a project that was really exciting and cool was what brought me back, and got me posting in new contexts.
Then I sort of felt like it was taken the wrong way and I was being dogpiled for being a RAW fanboy (I haven't read his work yet but enjoyed the clips and the documentary I've seen of him) and went into emo MCR mode rather that just clafying because ive been a bit of a sensitive snowflake lately.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 29, 2012, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 29, 2012, 04:50:40 AM
Fucking hell, lighten up already.
Yeah, righto. Sorry. Got some irl shit going on, didn't mean to snark.
I posted the story because I was trying to say that while I originally found the tone of the place off-putting, being a part of a project that was really exciting and cool was what brought me back, and got me posting in new contexts.
Then I sort of felt like it was taken the wrong way and I was being dogpiled for being a RAW fanboy (I haven't read his work yet but enjoyed the clips and the documentary I've seen of him) and went into emo MCR mode rather that just clafying because ive been a bit of a sensitive snowflake lately.
Ahhh, see, this post is very bipedal. We all make mistakes, and to recognize them is (IMO) one of the highest forms of humanity.
Quote from: Telarus on March 29, 2012, 06:42:45 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 28, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
STICK YOUR DICK IN THE APPLE.
In all honesty, I dig RAW. I think his writing is questionable but I'm a big proponent of fun as a ideological alignment. I kinda feel like Douglas Adams did Discordia better than any Discordian has done to date. This shit can't be deliberate, you know.
Speaking of Douglas Adamns.... They've turned Dirk Gently into a tv show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XdQIUF-YsE
Yeah. It seems to be heavily influenced by Doctor Who and Sherlock and similar in terms of production style. I've watched the first episode, but haven't gotten any further yet.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 29, 2012, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 29, 2012, 04:50:40 AM
Fucking hell, lighten up already.
Yeah, righto. Sorry. Got some irl shit going on, didn't mean to snark.
I posted the story because I was trying to say that while I originally found the tone of the place off-putting, being a part of a project that was really exciting and cool was what brought me back, and got me posting in new contexts.
Then I sort of felt like it was taken the wrong way and I was being dogpiled for being a RAW fanboy (I haven't read his work yet but enjoyed the clips and the documentary I've seen of him) and went into emo MCR mode rather that just clafying because ive been a bit of a sensitive snowflake lately.
That's cool. And for the record, I have just about every RAW book that saw print, including the execrable "Nature's God", so if you're looking at a fanboi, you're looking at me.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 29, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
That's cool. And for the record, I have just about every RAW book that saw print, including the execrable "Nature's God", so if you're looking at a fanboi, you're looking at me.
I still haven't been able to find Cosmic Trigger 2 and 3...
<- RAW "fanboi", too
I didn't read all of the thread but the end of it at least seems be explanations as to why people aren't around. Considering I haven't been around... totally relevant! It's not because of any changes with PD, too much fluff, not enough content, too much Facebook, having nothing to say. It's not you, it's me. I'm just getting my dose of talking to people who are smarter than I am and beating reality into those who are not in the real world at the moment. Also, there's a fuckload of hippie stomping and rock and rolling that nobody else seems to be capable of doing so I have to handle it all. As soon as I have less to do and better internet access than tethering my silly expensive phone webs, I'll be back again because I fucking love you guys.
I need to, like, add you spags to my for real Facebook because I never log in as Paesior... and while I'm getting plenty of debate and biped checks IRL, I still miss the personalities here.
Fucking hell this is depressing. Nothing here, no-one talking on IRC...I don't even have the tards at EB&G to torment anymore.
Oh! Dirk Gently inspired by Dr Who and Sherlock sounds promising! I fetched the episodes, but hadn't had time to sit down and watch them. Maybe tomorrow, or Friday. I'm really busy these days. At least, nothing what any normal person would remotely consider busy, but I'm rather proud of it. It's a careful balance to keep everything from tumbling down again (when I apply my energy to the wrong things) so choices needed to be made, PD was among those choices in the past month.
But I won't ever really leave, don't worry :)
Soooo in the next couple of days I'll be trying to catch up with what happened in my absence the past 3-4 weeks ...
How many clones of this thread am I supposed to expect? This one reads exactly like one of the legalize-pot threads in the sense that it's the same people saying the same things. Still I had to read it anyway, because, well, just because it appears to be a really important topic for everyone. I wish I could get those 45 minutes back, though.
See, for me, and I've said this a couple of times in the past, forums are compressed in time. I can reply to a post made last week (or my promise to Dalek about getting back to him about fUSION Anomaly), someone reads it, tags it for thinking about, replies two days later, and we're having a discussion. It can also happen in the timespan of minutes.
This happens to be a property of forums that I enjoy *very* much.
If I wanted real time discussion, I'd be on IRC (I haven't been on IRC in ages either). Though for realtime chat with awesome people, you need a couple of awesome people online at the same time that want to talk.
In fact I've done the compressed time thing on IRC back in my demoscene days as well. First, you of course disable all those "X joined, Y left, Z disconnected" status messages, or direct them to a separate window. In a quiet channel, I said something, some Finnish dude replied 10 minutes later, I got back from getting coffee, typed another line, etc. At some point we'd catch eachother at the same point of our cycles and had a flurry of interactions, but because there was no pressure, if I wanted to get back to coding my real time 1200 byte speech synthesis module, no big deal I'd check back in 15 minutes and the Finnish dude wouldn't expect an immediate reply either, but return to coding his absurdist plasma scripting framework.
And all was fine.
I'm just saying, if there had been someone complaining about how #coders is dead and not entertaining them enough during their workday, Finnish dude and I would have packed our stuff and took it to somewhere else.
That's my opinion. Obviously, PD is not what it was 3 years ago. But then, 3 years ago is also wasn't what it was 6 years ago.
If PD is quiet, let it be quiet. Things may slow down, but so what? It's a fucking forum! They're *made* so that people can also just check in once every two days and reply to posts a month old. I prefer quality over quantity. One way to ensure to also crush the quality, is to obsessively filling up every silence with complaints about how quiet it is. Fourteen pages of it, nonetheless.
On the other hand, maybe, just *maybe* this'll be the only thread complaining about PD dying and being too quiet etc etc I'm going to encounter when I catch up with a month of missed posts. In which case: WELL DONE there might be hope for us yet.
Also it's great to be back and apparently I hate you all. :D
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 04, 2012, 11:16:15 AM
If PD is quiet, let it be quiet. Things may slow down, but so what? It's a fucking forum! They're *made* so that people can also just check in once every two days and reply to posts a month old. I prefer quality over quantity. One way to ensure to also crush the quality, is to obsessively filling up every silence with complaints about how quiet it is. Fourteen pages of it, nonetheless.
I shall refrain from expressing frustration in the future.
You can express meta-frustration, however
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2012, 03:27:21 PM
You can express meta-frustration, however
Already on it. I expect that I'll hear more and more of this, as the people complaining about the 14 pages obviously didn't READ the pages, as most of them have nothing to do with the OP.
I am of course used to this. I am in fact so used to it that I don't even get mad about it, anymore.
As a matter of fact, perhaps the best way to express that meta-frustration ( :lol: ) is to simply start treating people in exactly the same way they treat me. If I am considered the source of all evil and completely untrustworthy by someone, I shall simply treat that person as they are; an enemy until proven otherwise.
I am sick to fucking death of being the default bad guy in all situations, and I have to say that the last few weeks have been a real fucking eye-opener for me, as far as who thinks I'm some sort of universal scapegoat.
They always get flushed out of the weeds sooner or later, Dok.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 04, 2012, 05:49:23 PM
They always get flushed out of the weeds sooner or later, Dok.
Yeah, that's the problem. Anytime, these days, that I get my head together for writing or whatnot, someone else comes along to explain that I can't be trusted, with regard to one thing or another. I have, for example, learned that I should never offer to help on a project, etc. Apparently, offering to help = TRYING TO TAKE OVER, or whatever.
It's getting really, really hard to maintain my composure and not go galloping off back to 2005.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 04, 2012, 11:16:15 AM
Oh! Dirk Gently inspired by Dr Who and Sherlock sounds promising! I fetched the episodes, but hadn't had time to sit down and watch them. Maybe tomorrow, or Friday. I'm really busy these days. At least, nothing what any normal person would remotely consider busy, but I'm rather proud of it. It's a careful balance to keep everything from tumbling down again (when I apply my energy to the wrong things) so choices needed to be made, PD was among those choices in the past month.
But I won't ever really leave, don't worry :)
Soooo in the next couple of days I'll be trying to catch up with what happened in my absence the past 3-4 weeks ...
How many clones of this thread am I supposed to expect? This one reads exactly like one of the legalize-pot threads in the sense that it's the same people saying the same things. Still I had to read it anyway, because, well, just because it appears to be a really important topic for everyone. I wish I could get those 45 minutes back, though.
See, for me, and I've said this a couple of times in the past, forums are compressed in time. I can reply to a post made last week (or my promise to Dalek about getting back to him about fUSION Anomaly), someone reads it, tags it for thinking about, replies two days later, and we're having a discussion. It can also happen in the timespan of minutes.
This happens to be a property of forums that I enjoy *very* much.
If I wanted real time discussion, I'd be on IRC (I haven't been on IRC in ages either). Though for realtime chat with awesome people, you need a couple of awesome people online at the same time that want to talk.
In fact I've done the compressed time thing on IRC back in my demoscene days as well. First, you of course disable all those "X joined, Y left, Z disconnected" status messages, or direct them to a separate window. In a quiet channel, I said something, some Finnish dude replied 10 minutes later, I got back from getting coffee, typed another line, etc. At some point we'd catch eachother at the same point of our cycles and had a flurry of interactions, but because there was no pressure, if I wanted to get back to coding my real time 1200 byte speech synthesis module, no big deal I'd check back in 15 minutes and the Finnish dude wouldn't expect an immediate reply either, but return to coding his absurdist plasma scripting framework.
And all was fine.
I'm just saying, if there had been someone complaining about how #coders is dead and not entertaining them enough during their workday, Finnish dude and I would have packed our stuff and took it to somewhere else.
That's my opinion. Obviously, PD is not what it was 3 years ago. But then, 3 years ago is also wasn't what it was 6 years ago.
If PD is quiet, let it be quiet. Things may slow down, but so what? It's a fucking forum! They're *made* so that people can also just check in once every two days and reply to posts a month old. I prefer quality over quantity. One way to ensure to also crush the quality, is to obsessively filling up every silence with complaints about how quiet it is. Fourteen pages of it, nonetheless.
On the other hand, maybe, just *maybe* this'll be the only thread complaining about PD dying and being too quiet etc etc I'm going to encounter when I catch up with a month of missed posts. In which case: WELL DONE there might be hope for us yet.
Also it's great to be back and apparently I hate you all. :D
Also, it's good to see you too, Trip. :kingmeh:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 04, 2012, 05:49:23 PM
They always get flushed out of the weeds sooner or later, Dok.
Yeah, that's the problem. Anytime, these days, that I get my head together for writing or whatnot, someone else comes along to explain that I can't be trusted, with regard to one thing or another. I have, for example, learned that I should never offer to help on a project, etc. Apparently, offering to help = TRYING TO TAKE OVER, or whatever.
It's getting really, really hard to maintain my composure and not go galloping off back to 2005.
Yeah. TAKING OVER something that's on life support in the ICU is something to be aspired to. :x
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 04, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 04, 2012, 05:49:23 PM
They always get flushed out of the weeds sooner or later, Dok.
Yeah, that's the problem. Anytime, these days, that I get my head together for writing or whatnot, someone else comes along to explain that I can't be trusted, with regard to one thing or another. I have, for example, learned that I should never offer to help on a project, etc. Apparently, offering to help = TRYING TO TAKE OVER, or whatever.
It's getting really, really hard to maintain my composure and not go galloping off back to 2005.
Yeah. TAKING OVER something that's on life support in the ICU is something to be aspired to. :x
Frankly, at this particular moment in time, I couldn't care less if someone thought that was my motivation for offering to help.
I just won't offer again.
Did some thinking about this.
Since we all have to post - or not post - in a way that suits Trip's once-a-month appearances, I think the best option for me is to just click "read all unread posts", and join everyone else.
That should keep him from getting all ragey and forgetting to put his finger in the dike.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
As a matter of fact, perhaps the best way to express that meta-frustration ( :lol: ) is to simply start treating people in exactly the same way they treat me. If I am considered the source of all evil and completely untrustworthy by someone, I shall simply treat that person as they are; an enemy until proven otherwise.
I am sick to fucking death of being the default bad guy in all situations, and I have to say that the last few weeks have been a real fucking eye-opener for me, as far as who thinks I'm some sort of universal scapegoat.
holy shit - just read this post and it feels all synchronicity-ish and shit.
Shut the fuck up, rong.
no yuo
Trip, I was out of line. I apologize.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
Trip, I was out of line. I apologize.
It's okay. Accepted. I'm not entirely convinced of the wisdom in posting what I did either, especially when it's the 3rd or 4th thing I write after being gone for a few weeks. Or maybe I really did have to get that off my chest. I don't know.
Big hugs all around, then! :D
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 05, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
Big hugs all around, then! :D
Okay, but if I start humping your leg, just nail me with the taser.