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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Financial fuckery thread
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:30:59 am »
Mark Carney is named as new Bank of England governor. He’s a Canadian. This seems to be his most important qualification according to the media.

He's also the former head of Investment Banking for Goldman Sachs, a fact curiously absent from almost all media reporting about him.

Funny, that.

... Wooooow.

I heard that he had a fairly impressive track record in his work at the Bank of Canada, but I had missed that he was head of Investment Banking at Goldman Sachs.

It is almost as though all the talk about how things need to change and how we need new ideas and new ways of doing things is bullshit, and the very same people are being put in place to keep the status quo stable.

Literate Chaotic / Re: On a dark road
« on: December 19, 2012, 08:47:03 am »


Aneristic Illusions / Re: Financial fuckery thread
« on: December 19, 2012, 01:01:04 am »

Libor fixing continues to be the real news as evidence mounts that banks colluded to mislead the public.

Japan approves the merger of Tokyo and Osaka exchanges to make the world’s third largest stock exchange.

Bank of England throws another £50bn into the economy. This brings us to £375bn. Apparently I missed £50bn somewhere, whoops!

Italy slashes national spending by 26 bn euro. Not to be outdone, the UK government slashes £6.7 bn more than expected (for a total of £11bn in the year to March).

China’s demand for oil falls for the first time in three years – retail fuel price in China is cut 5%. Chinese growth slows but still stands at 7.8% as other economies stagnate or decline.

Euro falls to a 2 year low against the dollar.

UK borrowing rises in June. As it transpires this foreshadows a complete failure by the UK government to actually lower borrowing over the course of the year despite slashing budgets.

Spanish crisis deepens even further, and they ban short-selling.

Germany’s AAA rating is put on negative outlook despite the fact that Germany is the only country in Europe pretty roundly considered to be doing okay.

UK recession deepens – GDP falls 0.75%

It transpires that $21 trillion is being sheltered in tax havens across the world by the top 0.001 per cent - the super rich. Nothing much is done with this knowledge.


Inexplicably the BBC chooses this month to ask whether we are looking at a global recession. I can only presume the economics editor awoke having suffered a deep coma from January until now.

The US decides that it won’t press charges against Goldman Sachs.

The bank of England finally decides to stop pumping more money into the economy in the hope things would happen. Towards the end of the month it transpires that the top 5% of households in the UK have benefitted most from the quantitative easing measures.

RBS suffers a computer glitch which causes people to be unable to access their funds for a long time. They pay out £125 million to inconvenienced customers.

Italian economy is confirmed to have shrunk by 0.7% in the second quarter of 2012.

The Olympics either destroyed or made the UK economy. Nobody really knows. They do largely agree that is was a bloody good time, though.

Greece’s economy contracts by 6.2% in the second quarter of the year. There are more fires in Athens. Over 5 years Greece has lost 20% of its economy, in no small part due to the horrific mishandling of spending cuts and reaction from Europe.

Germany’s economy actually grows! By 0.3%

The Eurozone as a whole contracts by 0.2%. If it contracts again in the third quarter it will officially be in recession and then presumably the earth will fly into the sun, according to most level-headed analysts.

Egypt asks for $4.8 bn from the IMF. There’s no immediate answer.


Bond-buying euro debt plan put into action. Europe is now resigned to a recession in 2012 with a total of 0.4% shrinkage and hopes for a 0.5% growth in early 2013.

OECD suddenly rounds on the UK and believes it will shrink by 0.7%

Planning rules are to be relaxed in the UK, allowing the millions of people who want to build skyscrapers in their back gardens to do so. Surprisingly this does not bring us back into the black immediately.

Japan’s growth slows but is still existant.

UK banks are accused of misselling 35bn euros of derivatives in Italy to the surprise of nobody.

Huawei – a Chinese telecoms giant – announces £1.3bn of investment in the UK over the next five years as China continues to make aggressive moves into infrastructure development.

The Federal Reserve adopts quantitative easing. Because it has been working so well everywhere else. Oil price reaches a four month high as a result of investors seeking a safe haven to put their cash.

Bank of England opens up a ‘funding for lending’ scheme which equates to allowing 5/6 top banks being allowed to borrow up to 5% of their loan book immediately and more if they follow through on lending targets. Taken together these 5 banks represent £1.2 trillion of lending.

Greek efforts to  meet stringent austerity targets fail causing yet more wailing and threats before they are given the next batch of money.


Hirley0 uses orange when asked to describe the state of the economy. This is the most dire warning to date.

Iran’s rial hits an all time low against the US dollar. Iran is placed under enormous amounts of pressure internally and externally, but there is no clear path for them to take. Surely this could not possibly go horribly wrong.

The EU says banks should split risky trading from personal banking. Something which any sane person never stopped believing and most have been calling for since the beginning of the crisis.

The Bank of England continues to dramatically do nothing. Which is probably better than giving money to rich people.

US unemployment hits the lowest it has been since Obama took office. This may be in part due to people taking jobs for no pay and various other ways to manipulate statistics before an election, but try not to look behind the curtain. He’s not Romney! And as his success becomes more obvious, markets stop panicking outright.

US eye Huawei and ZTE as security threats. Who would have thought that letting Chinese companies buy up energy and infrastructure assets might not be a great idea?!

The European Stability Mechanism is launched. Even from launch people point out that the 500 bn euro it has access to would be a fraction of the amount needed to rescue Italy or Spain, let alone both of them. The head of the fund says he is sure there’ll be no more major decisions on Greece, though, so that’s fine.

Greek and Spanish unemployment stand at 25%

Eurozone Banking Union proposed which will help set banking regulation across Europe. Cameron shits self in public and Osbourne bawls like a baby. It remains unclear what effect this will have on UK banking regulation.

Eurozone business activity contracts at its fastest rate in over three years – particularly in France and Germany.

The UK emerges from recession with a 1% growth boost from the Olympics! Almost as though investing public money in projects which come to fruition can be good for the economy. The country is still likely to end the year worse off than it began.

Hurricane Sandy hits the US causing $20bn of damage just as the economy starts to recover.


The UK government decides to mess with the price of alcohol because too few people hate them already.

Greece performs even worse than expected and stocks fall 5% as traders throw them under a bus.

Growth and Infrastructure bill introduced in the UK, designed to allow companies to tarmac puppies (or at least not care about the environment in their developments)

Ireland attempts to blame and shame those responsible for the crisis. Apparently they are unaware that bankers are incapable of feeling guilt as anything other than a warm and pleasant glow.

Greek riots ahead of the next round of austerity voting reach particularly impressive lengths with protestors pulling out all the stops. Athens continues to burn. The deal goes ahead anyway. Greece’s economy falls yet again and they manage to negotiate more time for the deeper, harder cuts they clearly need to set themselves on the righteous path of growth.

Barack Obama is elected president. The sun rises the next morning.

Eurozone growth forecasts are cut again. I didn’t mention these the last couple of months but a third consistent drop in forecasts is impressive.

Romney threats to blow up the economy in a fit of pique. Obama says ‘Go ahead, punk, make my day.’

France loses triple-A credit rating. Remarkably the people of France continue to exist, rather than being sucked into a ‘null space’ as had been predicted by some experts.

UK public sector borrowing is admitted to be worse than expected. In truth it will transpire that despite the heavy cuts, Britain’s foreign deficit has continued to grow under Osbourne.

Mark Carney is named as new Bank of England governor. He’s a Canadian. This seems to be his most important qualification according to the media.

Mervyn King – now with nothing left to lose – points out that the Eurozone has become an even graver threat over the past year and is now set to crash and burn any hope the UK has for growth. He is largely ignored by government which continues its policy of pointing at the EU and screeching like a pod person. Nigel Farage criticizes the government for not screeching loudly enough.

Plans for a Eurobond are published. Germany pretty much declares this a no-go from the outset.

Eurozone unemployment hits record highs.


Osborne admits his plans have fucked everything forever. Resolves to fuck harder and deeper into the new year.

Greek bond buyback begins.

Australia continues to do pretty well on the quiet.

Ireland decides to raise taxes and slash public spending because this year has proven that to be a recipe for success.

Noise is made that the UK may lose its AAA rating. As France hasn’t ceased to exist (yet) people wonder if we should care.

Use of the term ‘Fiscal Cliff’ reaches maximum annoyance threshold. Christine Lagarde demands that US leaders wrestle atop an actual cliff in order to solve the dispute once and for all.

Silvio Berlusconi announces that he will run for Prime Minister and that should he get it, he will solve all Italy’s debt woes with his penis.

US and UK agree to allow one national regulator to oversee the insolvency of failing large banks, rather than asking bodies from different countries to deal with individual subsidiaries. This may be the first truly sensible and good piece of news in over six months. World edges closer to ending.


And there we have it. The economic news to date.

There seems to be very little hope that anything being worked on now will turn things around in the new year. Going over this stuff has reaffirmed in my mind that the general hope from our politicians is that if they ignore the problem long enough it will go away. The big developments are likely to be:

Italy, Spain, Greece all suffering. Well, everyone is going to suffer next year. These countries will suffer even more than most I would imagine.

France may or may not be the next on Europe's chopping block; it has been declining, but it is still much stronger than the others.

Eurozone banking regulation is the only huge development coming along and I sincerely doubt it will have any teeth. Cameron will continue to shit bricks over this because it would directly hurt his friends if it came into effect and actually curbed banking excess.

The ESF is going to come online alongside existing bailout mechanisms. I would be astounded if it doesn't lend out all its money before 2014.

I suspect that American unemployment figures have been fiddled more than is obvious. That's largely because of the very fortunate timing for Obama. I could be wrong; if I am, it looks like America may be pulling around. China's growth is slowing but is still strong on a global scale, but the USA would be very vulnerable if EU members start collapsing as they have been threatening to do all year.

Apple Talk / Re: Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:31:32 am »
It is pretty difficult to argue that guns don't make it easier to kill quicker than other forms of weaponry. Recent years have proven that building bombs is a hell of a lot more difficult than people think, and knife attacks - whilst horrific - don't rack up the 20+ body counts.

But the fact remains that in the case of the United States, it is - like Nigel said - impossible to take it all back. Aside from being politically unpalatable, I'd imagine the costs of trying to cut down on gun ownership would be obscene.

On a completely different note, whilst rifles of various sorts are used for hunting... aren't pistols only practical for killing people? I'm genuinely curious on that because I believe that was the rhetoric used to justify banning pistols over here, whilst sporting rifles (even semi-automatic ones) and shotguns are still available with a license.

It's also interesting that gun crime in the UK has been rising significantly over the past few years, as cheap firearms have become more readily available. Mostly this has remained criminal-on-criminal, as the expectation is that people don't have guns so you don't need more than a knife to scare the piss out of a couple you are robbing, but there are notable exceptions.

Apple Talk / Re: Not Quite Dead
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:48:49 pm »
FUCK YES!!!! Weren't we just about wondering where you had gone off to? I was wondering that about a week ago. And then BAM Demosquid is back.
Also, you got me interested in your idea of having ideas about a RPG and then being put on ks.

Coyote, trapped in a polarbear for his hubris.

I suspect that the Kickstarter gravy train is going to start to collapse next year. There's a lot of projects which have managed to secure impulsive funding and then fallen through, and people are already starting to become a lot more risk-averse.

It still represents an amazing avenue for this kind of project, though. There's no way I would get (or want) a bank loan to start a games company. On the other hand, if you can convince the internet that they want what you can offer, you can get the startup capital you need just by promising to give people what you want to give them. I really have no idea how much it actually costs to get these things printed and out there, though, and a lot of big Kickstarters (like the Giant in the Playground one) seem to swallow vast amounts of their profit in postage, packaging and impulsive extras. All stuff that needs to be weighed up and balanced.

Also, thanks guys! Its good to be back.

Well of the 5 projects I've backed 3 of them set goals of less than $10k. Two of which were around $3k.

It seems very easy to become a victim of your own success. Giant in the Playground Guy raised over a million dollars and immediately had to spend so much time signing things and packing them that he is nowhere near his more interesting stretch goals (and has injured himself in the meantime), there's a few big CRPG projects where the stretch goals, postage and time involved in sending things to the thousands of backers have jeopardized the success of the basic project.

I've backed Numenara (really need to fix my printer so I can actually get the playtest documents) and one other project. Monte seems to be handling his very well; lots of consistent updates and most of his stretch goals were for e-products which cost little-to-nothing to send out and which can be automated. If my little project ever gets to that stage I will probably follow his lead and offer various supplements as high level stretch goals... in PDF format only.

Apple Talk / Re: Not Quite Dead
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:38:17 pm »
FUCK YES!!!! Weren't we just about wondering where you had gone off to? I was wondering that about a week ago. And then BAM Demosquid is back.
Also, you got me interested in your idea of having ideas about a RPG and then being put on ks.

Coyote, trapped in a polarbear for his hubris.

I suspect that the Kickstarter gravy train is going to start to collapse next year. There's a lot of projects which have managed to secure impulsive funding and then fallen through, and people are already starting to become a lot more risk-averse.

It still represents an amazing avenue for this kind of project, though. There's no way I would get (or want) a bank loan to start a games company. On the other hand, if you can convince the internet that they want what you can offer, you can get the startup capital you need just by promising to give people what you want to give them. I really have no idea how much it actually costs to get these things printed and out there, though, and a lot of big Kickstarters (like the Giant in the Playground one) seem to swallow vast amounts of their profit in postage, packaging and impulsive extras. All stuff that needs to be weighed up and balanced.

Also, thanks guys! Its good to be back.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Financial fuckery thread
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:30:35 pm »
With two weeks to go until 2013 it seems like a good time to reflect on the year that was 2012. If you’re anything like me, trying to keep up with the many flavours of doom and fucked-upness which plagued us throughout the year has been exhausting. This is by no means a comprehensive list but just a select few of the announcements and stories that seem to stand out the most by the end of this year.

First half of the year covered here. Second half will be covered tomorrow (hopefully).

(This is largely focused on Europe and the UK because that's where most of the action has been and that is where I've largely been paying attention - I'm sure I'm missing tons of stuff across the Middle East and USA particularly)


The new year starts with predictions that we will see a return to recession in Europe. Italy, France and Spain are foreshadowed in earnest alongside the continuing horror story that is Greece.

Obama is seen as weak on the economy and there are fears that he will not remain president. As all alternatives to him seem to be various brands of insanity this makes markets quiver.

Did you know the Olympics are happening this year? If not you are probably dead. Also the Olympics are simultaneously going to cure all Britain’s economic woes and burden us with debt which will follow our children’s children to their graves.

Eurozone manufacturing continues to decline or stagnate.

Greece threatens to exit the euro if it isn’t bailed out. There is general wailing and gnashing of teeth. ‘Will the Euro survive the year?’ becomes the question people are ‘too afraid to ask’ and yet ask at every opportunity. Spoiler: Yes. Yes it will.

Greece eats more austerity measures, 30 buildings are burned down, 80,000 people protest and 40 MPs are thrown out for voting against the measures.

Oil price rises sharply due to middle east troubles.

US manufacturing is better than expected.

Chinese company Sinopec buys up vast amounts of US oil in a $2.2 bn deal. China’s foreign investment record will continue to quietly grow in the background as large foreign company and assets are purchased throughout the year.

Banks borrow massively from the European Central Bank to shore up their reserves. Surprisingly this does not fill anyone with confidence.

Scottish Independence is discussed towards the end of January. People immediately scream that Scotland should be buried under a mountain of debt for their insolence, or something. Scottish independence will continue to lurk throughout the year.

Iranian oil is subjected to sanction.


Fred Goodwin disgraces the noble institution of the Knighthood omg.

Banker’s bonuses are also used to hide the fact that no substantial change has been made to the banking industry. Instead token gestures to placate the public by cutting bonuses are made and seem to work.

China is sounded out about a Eurozone rescue fund. Laughs uproariously.

UK economy is going to enter recession!

Greek government is initially wary of the bailout proposal from the EU. Eventually thousands of job cuts are agreed.

The Conservative Party begins to turn on people ‘banker bashing’. Constant reminders about how great the free market are become the norm.

More quantitative easing shoves another £50bn ... somewhere. This brings the total to £275 bn. Whether or not this has accomplished anything positive remains unclear.
Moody’s places UK on negative outlook. People become aware that ratings agencies exist for seemingly the first time.

Italy and the Netherlands slide into recession.


Gold price falls by 5 per cent. Glenn Beck’s head explodes on live TV (I wish).

Libor rate fixing story is broken for the first time.

Bank of America shifts $55 trillion of derivative risk onto the American taxpayer.

Protests sweep Italy and Spain as their governments bring in ruthless austerity measures. Italian protests set themselves on fire; Spanish protestors set fire to everything around them.

Eurozone unemployment continues to rise.

Brazil overtakes the UK’s economy to become the 6th largest in the world.


Possible fuel strike hits the UK. Woman sets herself ablaze because the government tell her to.

Greek protests continue to be violent and bloody. More lives lost.

Britain goes into recession. Nobody is really surprised.

Pasty tax causes widespread horror as the public realizes they may have to pay more for fatty food.

IMF loans $987 million to Bangladesh


France elects Hollande over Sarkozy to try and bring about alternatives to austerity. He will ultimately prove unable to deliver on his full promise but his election does send ripples of concern throughout Europe as the anti-austerity lobby seems to be growing in popularity.

Spain continues to be in recession, markets decline steadily as we continue to be doomed. Spanish banks are forced to raise 30bn Euro to try and ease pressure. This does nothing.

Greece continues to spiral deeper and deeper into recession. An inability to form a government leads to yet more calls for Greece to leave the Eurozone.

Eurozone as a whole avoids recession because Germany grows; most everywhere else shrinks or remains stagnant.

Cameron demands Europe gets its act together. Is roundly mocked by all.

Facebook becomes publicly listed. Lol.

JPMorgan lost billions upon billions. How many billions? Uncertain but at least 6 by the end of the month. Also the American taxpayer foots the bill.

Japan’s economy grows 1% as government spending on rebuilding causes a surge in business and investment. This goes uncommented on by the British government, whose continue slashing of public investment ensures the recession gets worse.

European business activity falls to a three year low.

OECD officially announces that the Eurozone is the biggest threat to global outlook because of the large amount of crisis hotpoints. WELL HOLY CRAP WHO WOULDA THUNK IT?

Pasty Tax fiasco continues into May. Politicians pretend to be human beings rather than android lizards by eating pasties in public at one another.

Vince Cable suggests learning from Germany rather than screeching at them as though they and the rest of the Eurozone are pod people. He is largely ignored by everyone else in government.


Eurozone unemployment reaches 11 per cent, American unemployment remains uncertain due to the vast amount of tinkering done with the definition of ‘unemployment’.  No matter which way you slice it, it remains worse than expected and so world markets freak.

BASEL 3 is announced. For those unaware, BASEL 2 had still not been fully implemented when BASEL 3 was declared. Some estimates put full compliance as much as a decade away by which time we will presumably be up to BASEL 20. Or SYBIL will have closed down the hotel.

Greek tourism falls. Presumably because much of Greece is still on fire.

Australia seems to be doing very nicely thank you very much. Despite not featuring much up until this point, Australia’s economy – when it has been mentioned – has consistently been strong and good.

European Central Bank declares that there are some risks to the Eurozone. Uproarious laughter occurs.

The Halifax says that British property prices will flatline. Daily Mail readers find more credence to claims the world will end in 2012.

Spain says it isn’t seeking a bailout. Then it discusses a bailout. Spanish banks receive a bailout of 100bn Euro. By midway through the month they are asking for another 62 bn.

Brazil, despite having become the 6th largest economy in the world in March, is described as sliding backwards and having a ‘once’ booming economy as the Eurozone crisis deepens.

Italy sells off a number of major public companies to reduce their debt. This has no appreciable effect on their continued problems.

Greek election momentarily stalls European catastrophe.

The G20 occurs: Leaders agree that there are problems in Europe. They also agree something should be done. Somebody should do something. Probably.

UK Inflation drops to 2.8% officially despite food and fuel prices continuing to rocket upwards. Surely there can be no statistical witchcraft going on here.

UK banks are downgraded. Rage at ratings agencies is high as banks call them irresponsible. Irony meters worldwide explode.

UK government begins signalling that they will cut unemployment benefit and squeeze the unemployed. The fact that unemployment benefit makes up 2% of all benefits is quietly ignored by the media who seem to believe that not having a job is simply a matter of being lazy.

German unemployment rises to 6.8% (compared to a steady EU average of 11%)

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Financial fuckery thread
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:42:43 pm »
I've been thinking over how mucb has happened this year in politics and finance. For my own purposes I was going to do a 'yearly roundup' type thing for the year's big financial controversies when I get home tonight. Would y'all like it here or in its own thread?

Apple Talk / Re: Not Quite Dead
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:22:19 pm »
Hey Demo Squid! I think about you every time I walk past Jefferson High School, Home of the Demos.

Go Squids!

Apple Talk / Re: Not Quite Dead
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:48:06 am »
Sounds like a run of shit luck mate.  Condolences.

Good luck with your project.  If it lifts off let me know, I'll pass it around at my usual RPG haunts.

If there's one thing I've learned this year it is that life could be a hell of a lot worse.

I met a lot of interesting characters in my stay in Amsterdam. I've also seen a lot of people at the Jobcentre (where you have to go to justify your existence for jobseeker's allowance) who are in situations I couldn't even begin to imagine.

I've got my health, my friends, and my family. I'm not in a great place, but in a strange kind of way, I feel a lot better as a person these days than I did at the start of the year. I've got no idea where I'll be by the end of 2013. This might actually be the first time in my life that I don't feel like I've got a plan!

Apple Talk / Not Quite Dead
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:33:52 am »
I think it has been about six months since my last spurt of activity here?

Amsterdam made a spirited attempt at killing me. I managed to make it home, and when I did, found out that I lost my job. Two days later, the entire editorial team at the website I was working at was fired, and sales put onto a fully commission-based payment structure. Given that what they were selling before was editorial time, I have no idea what they actually sold or what the existing clients made of it. The website still seems to exist though.

Did a brief internship where I thought I was going to get more editorial experience but actually they shifted me onto telesales and at that point I quit.

Money ran out, unsurprisingly, and I've had to move back in with parents. Mostly I'm thankful that this is actually an option. I've got a few corporate grad scheme apps out (god these things take so long - one failed yesterday that I'd been enrolled in for I think four months?). Managed to get christmas work at a supermarket over the holidays. I'm hoping that'll translate into something full time as I seem to be getting tons more hours than everyone else. It is a little depressing that I'm doing something I could have done straight out of high school, only if I'd started straight out of high school I'd probably be further up the chain by now. That's life, though.

I've also started writing again. Got the beginnings of a roleplaying system thrown together, though it still needs tons more work before I start seriously ramping up to try and get it Kickstarted. I have vague dreams that if I can catch the internet RPG flavor-of-the-month wagon, I can translate that into a kickstarter for a physical product and then roll that forward into a game line. The trouble with that notion being that you generally need proven experience in the field already to be seen as a credible investment. Which is fairly understandable; I'm not credible, at the moment, it is a pipedream. Getting to credible is a big challenge. Still, the system has bought a lot of fun during playtesting thus far so it isn't as though I've gotten nothing out of it.

My grandmother has rekindled my love of poetry. My father reminds me on a daily basis why I despise politics. My friends are all working every hour there is and about half have moved away. The past few months have been insane for that. Oh! And my best friend is going to have a kid. Which is still sinking in.

At the start of the year my goal was to move out of my parent's place and get a better job. I managed the first, briefly, but now I'm back at square one and feel like I'm treading water career-wise. My parents have offered to fund me in obtaining journalism qualifications if I can find out which ones would be worthwhile. I kind of hate the thought of spending another year-eighteen months leeching off them, but if it seemed like it would actually get me a decent job I might have to go for it and pay them back later.

I've been lurking around for a while. Fact is, I was embarrassed when I realized just how long it'd been since I was posting here.

And in ten minutes I have to run for my next shift. I just thought it was about time I popped up and confirmed that the trams didn't get me. Yet.

I still think I catch glimpses of them out the corner of my eye every now and then, though...

God is a right bastard. Omnipotent and omniscient, but he can't be bothered to fit his angels with lead so they can do their job. What a cheapskate.

Apple Talk / Re: There's really not much point to this, anymore.
« on: March 28, 2012, 07:05:17 am »
Just some thoughts re: content.

Most people won't expect daily brilliance. That's something that is/was all but unique to Take a step back and take an objective look at what IS available, and you've got some great writing scattered about the board particularly in Or Kill Me, Aneristic Illusions, and TFYS, which are clearly labelled as the 'content' areas of the site (as far as someone reading Roger's flyer would see it).

And then you dig deeper and you find more awesome stuff in every other subforum.

What might be helpful would be stickying up some of the best examples, maybe, or putting together a newbie guide - a sort of 'narrated tour of', but from looking at other forums, I think we're pretty good content-wise, really.

Apple Talk / Re: There's really not much point to this, anymore.
« on: March 27, 2012, 08:31:08 pm »
Seems to me that our best "recruitment" happens when we're not trying to recruit anyone. In fact, recruitment never seems to work out that well unless it's accidental.

I recruited a guy once.

And then he accidentally the eyes of a wolf.  :sad:

Apple Talk / Re: There's really not much point to this, anymore.
« on: March 27, 2012, 08:25:23 pm »
We just need some new blood.  Some young whipper-snappers without kids, who are going to school, who want to take the world by the short and curlies and scream in its face.

Well, the first thing you need to do, is not target them.

(This is aimed at riffing off the advertising concepts discussed a few weeks ago, and the idea we should be trying to attract people who use facebook/twitter/wtfever)

People who use social media often are constantly targeted by advertising campaigns. They are endemic, and I think that they now do more to drown out the message than to communicate anything. The problem with breaking into social media networks is that they are designed to be a closed system. That is; the majority of people who use them do not want to interact with people they do not know or express an interest in beforehand.

The exception to this are the people, groups and companies that use these platforms to send out their message. By riding on their signal, you can draw attention without seeming to be forceful or pushy.

SO if you want to break into the twitter crowd, setting up a discordian identity and using it to post memebombs and similar (on-topic) quotes when subjects arise on celebrity feeds might not be a bad way to go, for instance.

On the other hand, anything that screams 'I am a marketing tool trying to convince you to do something' is going to immediately count out 9/10 members of your potential audience.

Of course, advertising IRL, leaving copies of Intermittens and the BIP in coffee shops etc, that sort of thing may also be a good tactic... but I don't know, I don't have much experience with viral marketing campaigns. I have been reading an absurd amount about social networking theory lately, though. (And I still don't have a facebook, suck it Zuckerburg!)

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