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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: Yesterday at 11:13:05 pm »
HTML stands for hate mail

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 14, 2019, 04:38:46 pm »
Nemesis isnt the ignore/block list.

Who the hell wants to ignore their nemesis? That is like sitting in a room with your back to the door, or not checking your bedroom for traps before sleep.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 12, 2019, 09:54:25 am »
William Burroughs would be example for me: Shot his wife in a drunken game, slept with a teen male prostitute in Tangier, decades of heroin abuse.

In fact for me the interest in his work wasn't divorced from his horrible life, for me the interesting part was explicitly how his horrible life intertwined with his writing.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Julian Assange arrested
« on: April 11, 2019, 02:21:09 pm »
The timing of this and Chelsey Mannings re-arrest are too close. They want both of them at the same time but what for?
I dont like the man though I think wikileaks did some genuine good at highlighting some of the war crimes going on.
I am hoping they keep to their word and now release the dead-man-switch on the rest of the docs they were holding in case of this.

If he is extradited to Sweden then the people talking about the sex crimes are justified. If he is extradited to the US then it shows he was imprisoned in the embassy unfairly.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 11, 2019, 12:33:09 pm »
Okok, I get it. Pitying the zombies will most likely get me eaten.

I still want to believe there's a cure, but preventing more people from getting bitten is themore immideate concern, so no bringing test subjects to the fortress.
This is the most amazingly dorkiest penny dropping moment I've seen.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 11, 2019, 10:46:50 am »
I had no idea about any of this stuff, Faust. I lead a very sheltered life as a sort of survival mechanism. I have enough to worry about without policing the lives of rich white people I don’t know and will never meet.
Exactly, and it is tied into media obsession with celebrity that these cases are kept in public attention. What I am describing here isn't reflective of anyone here or individuals, it's a process that only becomes the problem on aggregate. In fact the self sustaining nature of it would not be possible on an individual level, it requires multiple people to run away with it.
It is this mechanism that only manifests on an aggregate level that I have an issue with.

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Let’s start with Pyle. Let me be /very/ clear. I am saying Pyle’s position is personally morally objectionable to me, and having any association with him would make me hate myself. But his position is one that is not /innately, specifically/ evil. It can be used for evil, but there are morally neutral formulations of it, some which have no easy answers at all.


A Pyle like figure popping up in my stuff would entail abandoning any interest in media related to them. That’s it. That’s the whole extent. Sure, I’d explain why if asked, but given a relatively quiet and non-stupid reaction to the backlash from that figure (as seems to have happened here) there’s no point in bringing up “oh you know that guy did X” or whatever the fuck every time I see his name. It goes as far as “oh, I don’t care about this anymore.”
Sure that's fair, there is a difference though in vilifying a person for their beliefs or calling for a boycott of him, and choosing not to consume his media because it wouldn't interest you in the context of who it is coming from. The Former feeds the mechanism I described, the latter does not.

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A Neeson like figure is different. I feel there is no defense possible for his actions, so I’m glad he agrees with me. He should be used to communicate how to handle “becoming a non shitty person” and shown an appropriate level of contempt (which basically amounts to “never let him live it down”, in the sense of not letting a friend live down a particularly stupid stunt — don’t let it be forgotten, but do forgive). This is my opinion, but I do think this is the ideal “public” response as well. You need to reinforce that not being a shitneck in the first place is the ideal to reach, and losing your shitneck nature later on down the line is an admirable event, but ultimately lands you, at best, runner up. I wouldn’t even cut a Neeson like figure out of my media diet: they did the right thing eventually, and not as part of a halting, hemming-and-hawing obvious PR blunderbuss approach, just being honest with themselves and everyone else. That’s worth quite a bit to me.

Yes exactly, he wasn't looking to defend the actions, nor looking for commendation on that, he was explicitly using it as a personal example of a personal failing in a story of why revenge solves nothing. In the context of the time though, Northern Ireland catholic kids in the 1980's were denied many rights and all came from impoverished backgrounds, in short they were thick as pigshit.

The fact that the perpetrator was black was what the media zoomed in on because "Neeson Racist" gets clicks. Again it ignores that he acknowledged this, but also the fact that back then racist prejudices against black people in Ireland were widespread, Ireland to it's shame was backwards for a very long time.
This comes from two places, ignorance and spread of racial xenophobic stereotypes, and that the average Irish person would not have met or interacted with any black people. In 1997 the total black population of the country was literally around 1000, in the eighties it was less than a quarter of that. That disgusting racist boogie man stereotyping didn't start to unwind until the late nineties. "It was a different time" is the argument that gets thrown out a defense of that, but it is not defensible, it was around the same period that allowed pedophilia to run rampant in the organisation of the church that most of the country was devoted to. The point is the country has moved on from that very dark point in its history.

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And a Linehan figure is the one I would go far, far out of my way to make miserable. Anyone making excuses for that kind of behavior deserves similar treatment. Some things are unacceptable.
Agreed, he deserves to be challenged on his beliefs, as to abusing him online, he revels in it and is getting attention for it specifically because of the the self sustaining mechanism of people doing that on aggregate. As long as people keep feeding into his demands for attention, even if it is to get calls that we boycott him etc, it gives platform to his shitty beliefs. A pressure can be put on the media not to fund his shows which is what it looks like people were trying to do. Instead it backfired spectacularly where he was suddenly seen as a spokesperson for a debate against transpeople and was brought in to a televised debate when in truth no one should be listening to his dumb opinions. Suddenly a comedy writer with shitty beliefs is now a nasty political commentator with a platform.
It is this mechanism that is partially responsible for empowering the worst aspects of what we are seeing currently with Trump / Neo Nazi's etc. Because the Media gives time to the things that get attention, it ends up fueling this. Where Dickheads like Lenihan can use it to there advantage and gentler people like Pyle are crushed.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:00:13 am »
Con-troll, you have a shovel, and you keep digging.

Avoiding the carbon monoxide leak and trying to circle back to the point on cancel culture (I really like this phrase) and run through examples in my head.
Last year Ireland had a very emotional vote on abortion, becoming the first country to legalise it by democratic vote, there was of course uglyness but not as much as I was expecting. The government did a good job of heading it off at the pass and said "This will be a divisive issue and when debating it with family or friends remember they are also coming from an emotionally charged place".

I had a lot of disagreement with my mother over this, she is and remains anti-abortion coming from a deeply catholic background and that irreconcilable position that it is murder, right up to the last day I was convinced she was going to vote against, she surprised me though and voted to remove the law blocking it. She still maintains she is anti abortion but didn't believe it was the place of the the state to legislate on that and that it was a personal matter.
I have seen others who have lost close friends over this on either side of the debate but for the most part approaching it with empathy and understanding of the other persons position (even if you think it is deluded) was the only way constructive discussion could happen on this.
Public figures who came out in support of allowing abortion including our health minister (who had to give a stance as it was a referendum related to his area) was not vilified, didn't have nasty tricks on funding or personal abuse or protesters showing up outside his house, it was a show of restraint by the anti-abortion side that in other  countries would have attempted to destroy him.

The second example of the attention deficit judgement was Liam Neeson and the racist comment a few months back. A sound byte came out in the media of Neeson saying that after a friend of his was raped by a black lad, he went out with a gun looking to shoot the first black lad he saw. Media outrage ensues twitter activists calling for a boycott of his films. You can probably see where this is going.
The full context of this was of course something different, even though the full interview was available to anyone who wanted to watch it. He was describing destructive and irrational impulses for a revenge film he was working on, the story was an example of something he deeply regretted and openly admits was coming from a place of ignorance and racial bias. Northern Ireland in the seventies and eighties was a deeply racist, xenophobic and awful place.
But no, no one is allowed to grow as person, or to ever have made a mistake and god forbid they ever openly admit that they were.

The last one Nullified is one you might be familiar with, and it's not one I am going to defend. Graham Linehan, the writer of two of the best comedy shows of all time, is a transphobe and a dickhead on twitter. I'm not going to talk about the separation between the artist and their art because that is a slightly different argument (though you will get me to stop watching The IT crowd and Father Ted when you pry the box sets from my cold dead hand).
This started months ago where he tweeted some stuff about gender binary beliefs and the LGBTQ responded with a mix of reasonable responses and the far louder immediate outcry to boycott him and a mix of personal abuse.
If he had left it at that, I wouldn't agree with his views but I would have been supportive of him. Until this point him and Pyle have bit of a parallel both vilified because of their personal views to a disproportionate backlash.
But oh no, Linehan didn't leave it there, he doubled down, singled out transgender people responding to him and came out with some pretty disgusting abuse of them. He has to this day not stopped posting this abuse or sharing pretty disgusting articles that are very anti-LGBTQ. He leaned in to it and now comes across as a 1920's mustachio twirling villain who ties transwomen to railroad tracks.

So I draw the comparison, Pyle holds pro-life views but in the wider context seems like a decent person, he holds views I wouldn't agree with but so do a lot of the weirdo creators out there that I enjoy. He has been unfairly slated in a way that undermines this form of activism as a legitimate source of social change.

For every legitimate Weinstein and Linehan there is Neeson or Pyle getting caught up in the rage machine which for me demonstrates more walls going up to block any social change for the better.
People need to look at the finer detail before they take to arms or they will invalidate their cause regardless of what it is.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Cancel Culture
« on: April 10, 2019, 03:42:40 pm »
But here's the thing -- Pyle tweeted out his personal outlook a day or so ago: Personally anti-choice, believes in a separation of church and state, votes Democratic, etc etc. 
Why should he have to?

He was forced to clarify his position based on backlash of an out of context tweet from 2 years ago as if he needs absolution or needs to justify himself to an attention deficit public court who have declared themselves an authority on these things and do so badly.

Nothing he has said in the last couple of days is new, everyone familiar with the nuance of his character would not have needed it.
 
Instead these people felt they were entitled to a position of moral superiority on this person without any responsibility to look into the finer details of his character. Instead people form opinions on soundbites and pass judgement on someones career until they lose interest and move onto the next thing that gives them a dopamine hit from being angry about.
The terminology around this gets ugly, outrage culture, etc.

The conservatives call this a witch hunt, which is far too generous. The witch hunters were thorough.

If I ever have to act as a public figure or heaven forbid someone who creates for public consumption, I will feel obliged to validate everything I do with lovecraftian narration from Darkest Dungeon: "In time you will know the tragic extent of my failings"

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: April 09, 2019, 12:27:22 pm »
If they ever make a Muppet version of Naked Lunch, they should let Gonzo Play the role of Doctor Henway.
There's the horrifying story of him doing open heart surgery on a pregnant woman in the bathroom of the subway with a plunger, imagining gonzo doing that makes it way better.

Jim Henson Productions and lucas arts can consult on the Mugwamp puppet, animatronic or hand manipulated, jizzing from its head

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RPG Ghetto / Re: Unified Vidya Games thread
« on: April 09, 2019, 08:08:13 am »
I picked it up and the combat is an impressive departure, I haven't been able to find my flow for it yet though I can tell mechanically they have tried something new again and succeeded in keeping it fresh.
I find the Japanese aesthetic hard to get into though, Dark Souls Japanese-Look-At-Western-Mythology was instantly engrossing, and Bloodbornes over the top Victorian nightmare was like a fantastic music video for a death metal band.
Feudal Japan is formal, in the way people speak to you and the environments, it's well constructed but I'm not sure if it is what I am in the mood for.

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To counter that the EU could offer two dates:
May 22nd for a short delay, 2024 for the next cycle of european elections. If it has made both short and long options available, May takes the blame for whichever she chooses

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Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: April 05, 2019, 04:03:57 pm »
Yikes, he doesn't hold back. That last line as well "By the way you guys have ruined us, were going into showbiz" This was recorded a couple of years or less of the comics books industry collapse and half a decade before Blade started the ball rolling on the film aspect.

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Apple Talk / Re: Capeshit
« on: April 05, 2019, 03:32:28 pm »
Looping way back to a completely SEPARATE tangent, I never read the Legion comics, I've only seen the show (and I fell in love).

On a scale of Sandman to The Invisibles, how much of a headfuck are the comics?  I'm considering reading them.
To be honest legion in the comics has never really been all that close to the TV show, that's why it was so fresh, they treated it almost as a blank slate and a vehicle for new ideas. In X-force he was very nineties edgy. This has an advantage for the TV, I have no idea where they are going to go next with the character and its interesting because of I have no frame of reference for it.

The closest comic for mental illness with experimental story telling (barring The Invisibles as you mentioned, and The Filth by Grant Morrison) I can think of is Shade the Changing man by Peter Milligan. The art is gorgeous too with many of the artists overlapping with sandman. The amazon description mentions it as "Shade is back" but you wouldn't have ever needed to read the old golden age comics to get any of this
https://www.amazon.com/Shade-Changing-Man-Vol-American/dp/140120046X

Alan Moore, writing Watchmen: “The superhero fantasy is authoritarian and even fascistic.”

Nerdy Fanboys: “Awesome!”

Alan Moore:

Alan Moore: “No that’s… that’s not awesome.”

[s]

And so watchmen becomes another Nazi's power fantasy to be milked until everyone loses interest. HBO are doing watchman something now. Because we want Nazi's in beautiful colourful clothes to crush us under their boot, this is society now.

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Seven days away from rolling cliff edge unless the UK wants to participate in EU elections.

Also water leak for Lord Protector, it would be a vast improvement

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Apple Talk / Re: Things I expect on a date.
« on: April 04, 2019, 09:09:54 am »
Did you know horses sweat foam?



Wait a minute, I'm not supposed to sweat foam?

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