REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Not a valid argument.  We used trephination since the neolithic age, and it's killed plenty of people.

[Laughin Jude]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

But, see, it has to be illegal because, um, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Not a valid argument.  We used trephination since the neolithic age, and it's killed plenty of people.

Sorry perhaps that was unclear....

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so without any documented death... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

But, see, it has to be illegal because, um, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

Personally, I think it should be legal, but that you should have to move to someplace like Maine or maybe Arkansas to smoke it.

Mostly because 99% of the world annoys the fuck out of me, and 99% of that 99% are even worse on pot.

The 1% of 1% that can pull it off without giving me murder thoughts can get away with it anyway, laws or no laws.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Not a valid argument.  We used trephination since the neolithic age, and it's killed plenty of people.

Sorry perhaps that was unclear....

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so without any documented death... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Well, we don't know how many of those trephinations were done because the recipient was annoyingly stoned, do we?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Not a valid argument.  We used trephination since the neolithic age, and it's killed plenty of people.

Sorry perhaps that was unclear....

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so without any documented death... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

Well, we don't know how many of those trephinations were done because the recipient was annoyingly stoned, do we?

POINT!

[Salty]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

But, see, it has to be illegal because, um, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

Just because it doesn't kill them doesn't mean it won't alter their brain at a crucial time of development that may or may not have a negative impact on the rest of their lives.

I remember reading a post from RWHN from an older pot thread saying that humanity may look back one day and see this period as being the most drugged up and hazy of them. That struck me hard because if you look around for two seconds it's totally true. We are almost all of us in some way willingly numbing ourselves to the reality around us, and while most Discordians have varied opinions about everything many here feel that we should at least TRY to look at reality in the most real way possible. Which drugs and alcohol can prevent substantially. That's given me something to think about for months now.

Now I'm not one for strict sobriety and I dont feel hindered by society in my use, but I sure am glad that SOME PEOPLE do give a shit about the way children's heads are toyed with chemically AND I'm such way that isn't self-centered, egotistical and merely a tag line for bored, conservative stay at home mothers use to feel like they're contributing to society the way that line was intended.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I remember reading a post from RWHN from an older pot thread saying that humanity may look back one day and see this period as being the most drugged up and hazy of them.

This is incorrect.  We will be even more fucked up in the future, for the same reason RWHN is basically trying to bail out the ocean with a teaspoon.

Ask me why.  Go ahead.

[Requia ☣]

Why?

*Never shys away from the horrible truth.

[Don Coyote]

Why?

*Never shys away from the horrible truth.

PILLZ HERE!!!!!!!!!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Why?

*Never shys away from the horrible truth.

PILLZ HERE!!!!!!!!!

THIS.  More complexity means monkeys need more filters.  More filters mean more drugs, booze, or weird religion.

This will increase, so long as civilization endures.

[Salty]

I agree and like to think I do what I can in my own small ways to speed that process up, not that my help is needed. More and more tiny pieces of reality will be clouded over until the most reprehensible things we can imagine become commonplace. People won't even be able to look at the holocaust as a minor atrocity because they won't know what it was.

But we will BE DAMNED if you don't have shiny toys to play with. I fear that the only thing that will keep our sagging meat moving towards progress as our souls are crushed into the dust of history will be shiny toys.

Though, as grim as my personal outlook is I still have more respect for people who shovel with a spoon than those who would simply shout clever little ironies to the one's doing the shoveling IF that shoveling is full of the passion that is one of the few things I value in humans and one of the thing that we can't produce and disappears more and more every day. Especially if that clever little irony is hackneyed and misplaced.

[Laughin Jude]

Yes. 

So? 

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

Well its only been used for 5000 years or so... maybe there isn't enough data yet?

As far as the prohibitionists are concerned, there will never be enough data. The deity of your choice could come down to Earth tomorrow and say, "Hey, smoke this shit!" and they'd still say the matter needed to be studied more. They're not motivated by reason or science. They're motivated by profit and control.

Yes.  

So?  

Well, I've never heard of a pot fatality.  At least outside of a Jason Vorhees movie.

But, see, it has to be illegal because, um, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

Just because it doesn't kill them doesn't mean it won't alter their brain at a crucial time of development that may or may not have a negative impact on the rest of their lives.

I remember reading a post from RWHN from an older pot thread saying that humanity may look back one day and see this period as being the most drugged up and hazy of them. That struck me hard because if you look around for two seconds it's totally true. We are almost all of us in some way willingly numbing ourselves to the reality around us, and while most Discordians have varied opinions about everything many here feel that we should at least TRY to look at reality in the most real way possible. Which drugs and alcohol can prevent substantially. That's given me something to think about for months now.

Now I'm not one for strict sobriety and I dont feel hindered by society in my use, but I sure am glad that SOME PEOPLE do give a shit about the way children's heads are toyed with chemically AND I'm such way that isn't self-centered, egotistical and merely a tag line for bored, conservative stay at home mothers use to feel like they're contributing to society the way that line was intended.

I don't think kids should be smoking weed. At all. You don't need to be fucking with your brain chemistry when you're going through puberty. They probably shouldn't be on most of the prescription drugs they're on either. But that's not what I was getting at.

What I'm referring to is the argument that drugs should be illegal for adults to use in order to protect children. That's just asinine. Unfortunately, it's also an argument that a lot of people buy into. Not everything in the world has to be appropriate for the under-18 crowd, and it's passive-aggressive bullshit for adults to be labeled "bad role models" for exercising their right to live as they see fit so long as they're not hurting anyone. Children don't run this planet. They're not even the majority of the humans living on it. Society shouldn't cater to them at the expense of the freedoms of adults or "protect" people at one age by robbing them of rights once they reach another. But that's another subject entirely.

I do find the idea that drugs make experiences less "real" to be interesting, though I can see flaws in it. Obviously our sober senses are inaccurate, so it's not like we're fully experiencing "real" reality from the start. While it's true that some drugs either introduce unfounded sensory data or cause us to further misperceive that data, it's also true that some drugs enhance the senses--cannabis, for example, enhances taste, which I suppose could be used to argue that it makes experiences more "real."

[Salty]

Oh ok. I would have preferred reading that the first time around, but you can't have everything in life.

I agree with you partially. Especailly this:

Not everything in the world has to be appropriate for the under-18 crowd, and it's passive-aggressive bullshit for adults to be labeled "bad role models" for exercising their right to live as they see fit so long as they're not hurting anyone.

Dunno about the rest. Gotta think about that.

I also see what you mean about the reality thing. Obviously beer is real and being drunk is pretty fucking real, but it's one of those things that easily fuck your vision up and shouldn't be taken lightly, especially when it comes to children. But I see television the same way.