OMG IM SO SORRY!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

[Doktor Howl]

Tried that before too.  Can you guess what happens?

The problem is as Ippie described.  Some people would judge a post on it's merit, individually, but all too many of you see the 'trix' moniker and knee-jerk.  Then pick out a specific, often unrelated, part of the post, and use that as fodder for the cannon.

ETA:  Not that that's what is happening NOW, at this point, but that is what began the derailment of the thread.

This is a social site.  That means that the usual social rules apply, only slightly modified.

If you were at a party, and you acted like an ass and people got a bad impression of who you are, it's going to take a while to change their minds.

So you have to expect that some people will still be hatin' when you post somewhere else.  So you need to be mindful of that, and conciously not be an ass for a long enough time for people's opinion of you to change.

If you are incapable of not being an ass, well... you may just want to leave the party.

I'd clarify that by saying if you are at a party, and a discussion you start pisses off people at the party, you can still change the subject.

Or you can dig your heels in and screech until everyone knows you're the biggest ape in the room.

[Doktor Howl]

Tell you one thing though, that Benjamin Franklin cognitive dissonance thing is BULLSHIT!  None of you fuckers will loan me the goddamn book!

You haven't asked.

[Doktor Howl]

But I like the party.  Until the hosts tell me to leave, I'll hang out, drink beer, and try to keep my responses a mirror.

Then you shouldn't complain when the tenor of the conversation doesn't change.  After all, we're just giving you what you obviously must want.

Israel & Palestine, it seems, love to blow each other up.  If they didn't, they'd stop.

[Elder Iptuous]

mirroring is a good way of building rapport, but when it's an adversarial context with people that are shit flinging artistes, then caution is advised.

you, like me, seem to be the type that likes to keep debate lighthearted, even when the passion runs high.  a delicate touch and generous diplomacy is required to achieve this.  deference to strong opinions can sometimes be difficult when they are opposite your own, and learning when to bow out is not trivial.

i generally feel like something of an outsider here, and fear that i might be seen as milquetoast by some, but that's ok because i get something out of this place.

[trix]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

[Doktor Howl]

mirroring is a good way of building rapport, but when it's an adversarial context with people that are shit flinging artistes, then caution is advised.

you, like me, seem to be the type that likes to keep debate lighthearted, even when the passion runs high.  a delicate touch and generous diplomacy is required to achieve this.  deference to strong opinions can sometimes be difficult when they are opposite your own, and learning when to bow out is not trivial.

i generally feel like something of an outsider here, and fear that i might be seen as milquetoast by some, but that's ok because i get something out of this place.

Listen to him, Trix.  We're all shit flinging ARTEEEEEEEEEEEEESTS!

Someone should do something.

Dok,
Holding his cigarette backwards.  EET EES ALL SO BORRRRING!

[The Rev]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

Federal. Federal. State. State.

See what I did there?

[Doktor Howl]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

The State of Wisconsin determines the rules for federal aid?

Who knew?

[The Rev]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

The State of Wisconsin determines the rules for federal aid?

Who knew?

beatchaya2it

[Doktor Howl]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

The State of Wisconsin determines the rules for federal aid?

Who knew?

beatchaya2it

You win THIS time, "Rev"...IF that's your REAL name!

But I'll be back.

[The Rev]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

The State of Wisconsin determines the rules for federal aid?

Who knew?

beatchaya2it

You win THIS time, "Rev"...IF that's your REAL name!

But I'll be back.

I owed you one. 

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Actually it looks like they will forgive a first time felony drug conviction and allow financial aid after certain criteria are met.  Go figure. 

But your conviction wasn't drugs right trix?

[trix]

Felony only bars you from financial aid if it's a drug conviction.

Not true.

Not true AT ALL!!!

Yeah, I looked it up and you can't get Federal aid with any conviction felony that is still on your record.

But he's being so sketchy and vague (and then "I don't want to talk about the details") that I've just been assuming he's lying about something one way or the other. I and others here have been very open about our histories, despite them often being pretty uncomfortable, so if he wants to claim validity speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced childhood deprivation he should probably ante up some good stories like the rest of us have. Hell, even DP told a couple harrowing stories from his past.

Not sure where you looked that up, but I have a felony conviction.  It's on my record.  I go to college and receive Financial Aid.  Therefore, your information is incorrect.  Did you look it up for the state of Wisconsin?

Federal. Federal. State. State.

See what I did there?

 

OK federal.  Then she looked it up wrong.  Nigel, post your source so we can all read for ourselves.  I signed up through FAFSA.  It specifically asked on the application if I've been convicted of a felony drug conviction.  To which I replied No, as my conviction is not drug related.  I am receiving Financial Aid.

[trix]

Actually it looks like they will forgive a first time felony drug conviction and allow financial aid after certain criteria are met.  Go figure. 

But your conviction wasn't drugs right trix?

No, I was convicted of Party to a Crime: Armed Burglary.

And, before it's mentioned, no, I don't mean armed robbery.  We broke into a house and stole guns, we didn't rob people at gunpoint.  And yes, it was a retarded thing to do.