Slogans for 2011/2012

[Doktor Howl]

So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?

I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post.  I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.

Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.

You can do whatever the fuck you like as soon as you demonstrate you're capable of thought, reasoning, logic and learning.

Failing that, yes you will never be more than a pokee. Here or anywhere else in life.

The fact that I have to fucking explain this shows at what level you're stuck.

ARE YOU DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK YET???

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

No, shut the fuck up. Why should anyone believe you? This is like the fifth time you made an ass of yourself in some thread, you got your ass reamed and handed to you and you mumble "I have learned, point taken" and the next day YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT YOU MORONIC WORTHLESS PIECE OF FILTH

SO, NO

YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK

YOU DO NOT "TAKE OUR POINT"

YOU WILL WRITE DOWN A POINT BY POINT REFUTATION OF YOUR OWN RETARDED SHIT showing that you are capable of finding out on your own whether and why you are talking out of your ass when you inevitably do so without the help of anybody pointing it out for you.

If you are not capable of that (and signs are pointing that indeed you aren't) why should I treat you as anything but a fucking dog? The really smelly type that wasn't raised properly.

- triple zero

"calm and assertive"

D/N/T the angy Belgian.

[Payne]

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

Yeah until the next time, asshole.

Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".

I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.

I can be sensitive!



See?

You're from Manitoba.  Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"

And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".

Or "lumber".

Dok,
Has wood for wood.

How much wood would a Doktor wood if a Doktor would wood wood?

[Freeky]

So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?

I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post.  I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.

Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.

You can do whatever the fuck you like as soon as you demonstrate you're capable of thought, reasoning, logic and learning.

Failing that, yes you will never be more than a pokee. Here or anywhere else in life.

The fact that I have to fucking explain this shows at what level you're stuck.

ARE YOU DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK YET???

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

No, shut the fuck up. Why should anyone believe you? This is like the fifth time you made an ass of yourself in some thread, you got your ass reamed and handed to you and you mumble "I have learned, point taken" and the next day YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT YOU MORONIC WORTHLESS PIECE OF FILTH

SO, NO

YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK

YOU DO NOT "TAKE OUR POINT"

YOU WILL WRITE DOWN A POINT BY POINT REFUTATION OF YOUR OWN RETARDED SHIT showing that you are capable of finding out on your own whether and why you are talking out of your ass when you inevitably do so without the help of anybody pointing it out for you.

If you are not capable of that (and signs are pointing that indeed you aren't) why should I treat you as anything but a fucking dog? The really smelly type that wasn't raised properly.

- triple zero

"calm and assertive"

D/N/T the angy Belgian.

No shit.  After all, it was Belgians that brought us City of Lost Children.  We should have learned!

[Doktor Howl]

Really?

I think that capitalism can be nicely balanced with socialism, offering people the opportunity of profiting from their labor, assets and enterprise, while paying into a social structure which provides a safety net (and healthcare, etc.) for those who can't, or who try and fail.

I don't view capitalism as a viable economic structure all by itself, anymore than I view chicken as a complete diet.

Sure, it can be done.  We've done it.

But we can't maintain it.  Invariably, it either runs far socialist (the beginning of the last century), or sprints to corporate hegemony (1865-1910, 1980-the present).  The only times in which this didn't happen was when there was a credible outside threat (Civil War, WWII)...And in fact, the less credible an outside threat, the faster we gallop to the "protection" of mega-capitalism (the 1970s embargo, the last red scare of the 80s, and 2001-present).

And the fact is, we spend more time as chattel than we do in a balanced system, by far.

I do not consider it to be a success.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Dear Pickle,

It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.

Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".

It works wonders, you should try it!

I'm actually a pretty happy drunk.  I was laughing when I posted that last night, knowing the reaming I was going to get for it.

Didn't intend it to piss Twid off so much.

I like Twid.

But yeah, I see what you mean.  Moderation and I have had quite a few sit downs over the years to discuss slippage.

Usually I stay out of it when there's a political fight around here, but I am getting angrier and angrier at the mischaracterization of what is happening in the streets right now. Got into a fight with Villager about it yesterday. Your slogans had me seeing red.

[Doktor Howl]

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

Yeah until the next time, asshole.

Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".

I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.

I can be sensitive!



See?

You're from Manitoba.  Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"

And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".

Or "lumber".

Dok,
Has wood for wood.

How much wood would a Doktor wood if a Doktor would wood wood?

100KPH, give or take a meter.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

Yeah until the next time, asshole.

Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".

I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.

I can be sensitive!



See?

You're from Manitoba.  Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"

And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".

I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.

[Payne]

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

Yeah until the next time, asshole.

Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".

I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.

I can be sensitive!



See?

You're from Manitoba.  Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"

And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".

I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.

Sasquatchewan is just a drier Manitoba.

[Doktor Howl]

Point taken.

All of them.

Sincerely.

Yeah until the next time, asshole.

Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".

I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.

I can be sensitive!



See?

You're from Manitoba.  Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"

And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".

I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.

Despite his aversion to barbers, razors, and shoes, he is not in fact a Sasquatch.

[Disco Pickle]

Trip:  Was handed my first complete, do it start to finish on my own, it's my ass if I fuck it up project this afternoon.

I'll drop back in tonight with the homework.

[Triple Zero]

Trip:  Was handed my first complete, do it start to finish on my own, it's my ass if I fuck it up project this afternoon.

I'll drop back in tonight with the homework.

WOOF WOOF MOTHERFUCKER

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Really?

I think that capitalism can be nicely balanced with socialism, offering people the opportunity of profiting from their labor, assets and enterprise, while paying into a social structure which provides a safety net (and healthcare, etc.) for those who can't, or who try and fail.

I don't view capitalism as a viable economic structure all by itself, anymore than I view chicken as a complete diet.

Sure, it can be done.  We've done it.

But we can't maintain it.  Invariably, it either runs far socialist (the beginning of the last century), or sprints to corporate hegemony (1865-1910, 1980-the present).  The only times in which this didn't happen was when there was a credible outside threat (Civil War, WWII)...And in fact, the less credible an outside threat, the faster we gallop to the "protection" of mega-capitalism (the 1970s embargo, the last red scare of the 80s, and 2001-present).

And the fact is, we spend more time as chattel than we do in a balanced system, by far.

I do not consider it to be a success.

What about those little Eurospag countries that seemt o make a mix of capitalism and socialism work? Do you think that'll be unviable, long-term? And what do you think is a better system? Or is humanity capable of maintaining any system?

[Triple Zero]

What about those little Eurospag countries that seemt o make a mix of capitalism and socialism work? Do you think that'll be unviable, long-term? And what do you think is a better system? Or is humanity capable of maintaining any system?

Kinda depends on how you define socialism vs capitalism, though.

In fact it's not really a "vs" thing (as you seem to be saying).

See, even if you got full-blown socialism, at least as far as I've ever seen it in reality, that's the Netherlands in the 80s/90s (and Scandinavia too probably), even if you got that, you're going to get capitalism too. It's like a force of nature, you always will have people starting businesses and making profits etc etc.

Except that, in my experience, it's always better to have the infrastructure/services that are "of general use" run by the government. Public Transport, Electricity, Gas, Water, Prisons etc. Every time those things got privatized, they got worse, and even though they said the market would correct that, I've never seen it happen. Additionally, every time I've seen such a service in another country and it was really really well executed (public transport in Vienna comes to mind) it's been government-run. Ok that's an aside.

So, the "free" market will always do its thing, people running businesses will optimize their profits and that's capitalism, right? Except in a socialist state, the government defines a lot of the playing field. But if you either got services run by the government, or you got private businesses, then you just get everybody paying a lot of taxes, that's it. Until you put subsidizing in the equation, then things get a bit more unfair, and yes you gotta be real careful with that. However, the USA, not being socialist, still subsidizes the fuck out of corn (to name something), so that's not strictly a socialist problem.

One thing, in my own experience, that I found really interesting, this is the ONLY time I really witnessed not-socialism doing something better (in some sense), ever in my life, was when I visited Berlin. They have all these really cool little shops all over the place, and they sell random shit like a few designer shoes and some art and a bunch of lamps and stuff, like a mini-gallery. Other little shops have more of a "theme", or they are a sort of bar/coffeeshop with a twist (like a pingpong table, or a beach). All these really odd things that are there just because someone thought it would be cool. And I wondered, because such little businesses would never survive in the Netherlands, not in the center of a city, way too expensive. And my girlfriend explained to me that's the cost of Socialism, it's not just that locations in the city center are too expensive, but also that in NL you are paying taxes over all sorts of things and all sorts of regulations and it's just harder to survive as a quirky shop here.

Though I just realize that might not even be true, because the only place in NL that comes to mind that does have all sorts of these places is Amsterdam. And those places survive because of all the tourists and for being Amsterdam. Obviously, Berlin has the same kind of advantage Still it'd be much harder to get a new place off the ground like that in Amsterdam than Berlin (at least I think).

So, to sum it up, I think you and Dok are saying the same thing. If you just turn towards socialism the best you can and try to make it work, there's still going to be a whole lot of capitalism left over no matter what you do. It'll take a USSR-style totalitarian commie state and at least two generations before that attitude could seriously change. And then still, you don't have to take socialism to the wall

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yeah, that's kinda along the lines of how I was thinking... socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive at all, you can have a socialist society in which capitalism thrives.

[Faust]

This thread.... ugh.

A meritocracy is a lovely myth though.

Its shame that the closest thing resembling it in the real world is a system that works of nepotism.