Okay, someone explain womens' clothing sizes to me.

[Doktor Howl]

Guys pants:  34X34  ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.

Women:  Size 0.

What the fuck is a size 0?  And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10?  Am I right in that?  Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1?  This shit has to be deliberate.

[LMNO]

It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard.  One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.


My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.

[Doktor Howl]

It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard.  One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.


My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.

My belief is that women are involved, too.  But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable.  If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?

And people will not even try to meet a standard like that.  They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.

[Luna]

Marketing.  They figure that if I fit into a size 8 in their competitor's clothes, but a size 6 in THEIRS, I am fucking stupid enough to buy the smaller size, because skinnier is better.  (And there is no fucking way I would fit in either.  I enjoy food, I enjoy beer, and, while I wouldn't mind dropping some weight, I ain't bothered enoigh to torture myself by denying myself either.  If a man can't see past my oversized ass to see ME, he doesn't deserve me, anyway.)

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What's hilarious, too, is that with "vanity" sizing, what's now a size 6 would have been a size 18 60 years ago.

It varies so much even within brands that you HAVE to try on clothes in order to find the right size; you can't just yoink one off the rack and call it good.

It's pretty ridiculous when the "plus-size" models are six feet tall and wear a size 12. "Plus size", in modeling terms, seems to mean "Looks like a healthy fit woman with boobs and hips".

There are girls who are naturally tiny, and they deserve to be able to buy clothes too; my friend Angel is a size 2 (used to be a size 0) solely because she has the bone structure of a hummingbird; her waist must be 22", it's so tiny. She doesn't diet, she eats meat and drinks beer, and she plays softball; she's no wimp, but her wrists are about the size of my thumbs. She's totally normal, for her, but she's not a very good ideal for women to hold themselves to, anymore than DD tits are a good ideal... everyone's body is different, it's not like any one height/build is "perfect". They could adhere to averages, but instead they seem intent on using some arbitrary dimensions that make no sense. Why are all pants TOO FUCKING LONG for me? Why can't I just buy pants in waist/length, like guys do? Why can't my extremely busty friends buy shirts that don't make them look fat?

[Don Coyote]

Guys pants:  34X34  ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.

Women:  Size 0.

What the fuck is a size 0?  And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10?  Am I right in that?  Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1?  This shit has to be deliberate.

Men's sizes are also fucked. I wear a 34x34, but my waist, or hips or whereever the fuck they think my trousers are supposed to sit, are actually 35-37 inches. I wear medium ACU jackets but large undershirts, but small t-shirts. I have a large leather jacket that I swim in, and a medium jacket that is just barely the right size. Sometimes I wear small socks, and other times large socks.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It can be really hard to get past the idea of "not being good enough", too. My body image took a massive hit during my last relationship, for reasons too numerous to go into. But that's ridiculous; I have a great body, I'm fit and active. But it's not a rail-thin 22-year-old body with firm everything. I'm seriously paranoid about not being found attractive, now, just because of my age. Even though I KNOW that lots of guys find women my age attractive. Even though the guy before ML was the exact opposite in terms of making me feel like the hottest thing on the planet.

Sorry, personal venting.

[Cramulus]

My belief is that women are involved, too.  But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable.  If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?

I forget who said this originally ----

Every single article in cosmo could be replaced with the phrase "GIVE SEX TO YOUR MAN AND DONT BE FAT"

My ex-gf said that a lot of the cosmo staff were actually guys writing under pen names. That wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true.

And people will not even try to meet a standard like that.  They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.

sadly, there are tons of completely attractive girls out there that are lugging around tons of shame and low self-worth because of that unrealistic garbage.

[Luna]

It can be really hard to get past the idea of "not being good enough", too. My body image took a massive hit during my last relationship, for reasons too numerous to go into. But that's ridiculous; I have a great body, I'm fit and active. But it's not a rail-thin 22-year-old body with firm everything. I'm seriously paranoid about not being found attractive, now, just because of my age. Even though I KNOW that lots of guys find women my age attractive. Even though the guy before ML was the exact opposite in terms of making me feel like the hottest thing on the planet.

Sorry, personal venting.

Vent away.  I'm with ya, here.

I compensate by mostly not giving a flying fuck.

[rong]

Guys pants:  34X34  ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.

Women:  Size 0.

What the fuck is a size 0?  And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10?  Am I right in that?  Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1?
  This shit has to be deliberate.

Men's sizes are also fucked. I wear a 34x34, but my waist, or hips or whereever the fuck they think my trousers are supposed to sit, are actually 35-37 inches. I wear medium ACU jackets but large undershirts, but small t-shirts. I have a large leather jacket that I swim in, and a medium jacket that is just barely the right size. Sometimes I wear small socks, and other times large socks.

For a minute there, I was like "why the fuck would anyone wear a leather jacket while swimming?"

[Juana]

My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal. I spent the time that other girls my age were worrying about boys and being skinny focusing on an academic event where the way I looked, as long as I was dressed professionally, was secondary to what I could do.
So mostly, I do what Luna does and not give a shit.

My belief is that women are involved, too.  But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable.  If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?

I forget who said this originally ----

Every single article in cosmo could be replaced with the phrase "GIVE SEX TO YOUR MAN AND DONT BE FAT"

My ex-gf said that a lot of the cosmo staff were actually guys writing under pen names. That wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true.

That makes a lot of sense. And is also kind of creepily Stepfordian.

[Doktor Howl]

My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.

Heh.  You have an excellent figure.  You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.

Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.

Just saying.

[Reginald Ret]

My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.

Heh.  You have an excellent figure.  You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.

Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.

Just saying.

This.
I was gonna post some pics saying this is what a real woman looks like and this isn't etc. But then i realised this may just lead to different unrealistic expectations so i will just leave it at this:

This not attractive.

[Juana]

Pic is borked, I think.

My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.

Heh.  You have an excellent figure.  You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.

Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.

Just saying.

Thanks. :3

[Freeky]

My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.

Heh.  You have an excellent figure.  You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.

Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.

Just saying.

This.
I was gonna post some pics saying this is what a real woman looks like and this isn't etc. But then i realised this may just lead to different unrealistic expectations so i will just leave it at this:

This not attractive.

I dunno what you're talking about, that is a minus sign, and math is sexy as shit!