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Uncomfortable topics: Let's talk about race

Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, January 04, 2012, 09:21:09 PM

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I think it can get just plain silly after awhile.  I had an ex-gf who has long, flaming red hair, and a pasy, snow-white complexion.

You never would've guessed she was part Native American, Russian, and French.  Not a drop of Irish in her whatsoever. 

So I don't even know why people factor race into the equation at all.  Seems kind of nonsensical to me. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

East Coast Hustle

Indeed.

I am very attracted to women with olive/tan skin, dark hair, dark eyes, and curves. I give not a shit if they're asian, latina, native american, persian, or what have you.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Faust

Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Q. G. Pennyworth

Quote from: Nigel on March 11, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
I understand wondering whether there is a socially acceptable word for mixed-race people. I was just curious about the example you gave.

It might be helpful to keep in mind that in general, there are very few occasions when the exact percentage of someone's ancestry is relevant. In almost all cases where it is relevant, it is for directly racist reasons. For example, the reason there are specific words for the percentage of African descent in a person's lineage is because they were words used on the auction block. Light-skinned black mixes, usually the offspring of a slave owner and his slaves, were especially desirable for house servants and sex partners, and fetched the highest prices. It was said that a high-yellow such as myself made the best "mistresses".

If you're not buying or selling people based on their breed, for the most part there's no need for a special name for it.

There's the part my brain was overlooking that takes it from "socially awkward" to "offensive."  Now I feel dirty and stupid.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Don Coyote

Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2012, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.

I actually thought that they were when I was younger.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on March 12, 2012, 12:29:42 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 11, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
I understand wondering whether there is a socially acceptable word for mixed-race people. I was just curious about the example you gave.

It might be helpful to keep in mind that in general, there are very few occasions when the exact percentage of someone's ancestry is relevant. In almost all cases where it is relevant, it is for directly racist reasons. For example, the reason there are specific words for the percentage of African descent in a person's lineage is because they were words used on the auction block. Light-skinned black mixes, usually the offspring of a slave owner and his slaves, were especially desirable for house servants and sex partners, and fetched the highest prices. It was said that a high-yellow such as myself made the best "mistresses".

If you're not buying or selling people based on their breed, for the most part there's no need for a special name for it.

There's the part my brain was overlooking that takes it from "socially awkward" to "offensive."  Now I feel dirty and stupid.

Don't feel dirty and stupid... you asked, which meant you were seeking knowledge in order to NOT be offensive. That's a good thing. Sometimes it just takes hearing the right things for everything to click.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2012, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.

I like to dunk my octoroons in a nice big cup of mulatto.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

navkat

Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2012, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.

I would punch a fucking girl scout for another one of them bitches...oh wait, that's a Samoa...oh wait, no it's not. They renamed the Samoas to "Caramel Delights" because they sounded racist.

Ho hum.



Even more fucked up: "colored folk" being racist against other same-colored folk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_skin_color#Brown_paper_bag_test

Just like the skirt test in the 60s where they would make us bitches kneel on the floor n shit to make sure our skirts touched the floor! Except more demeaning!  :horrormirth:!!!

AnnaMaeBollocks

I hear white kids around here describing their friends as "redbones" and "yellowbones". They don't seem to mean it in a racist way, but isn't that kind of fucked up?

Don Coyote

Quote from: navkat on March 12, 2012, 04:06:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2012, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.

I would punch a fucking girl scout for another one of them bitches...oh wait, that's a Samoa...oh wait, no it's not. They renamed the Samoas to "Caramel Delights" because they sounded racist.

Ho hum.



Even more fucked up: "colored folk" being racist against other same-colored folk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_skin_color#Brown_paper_bag_test

Just like the skirt test in the 60s where they would make us bitches kneel on the floor n shit to make sure our skirts touched the floor! Except more demeaning!  :horrormirth:!!!

I'm holding a brand new box of Samoas.

navkat

That's funny, cause I was forced to buy Caramel dLites here in 'Bama...maybe cuzza all them NeoCons around here, protectin my free speech n shit.

http://www.chacha.com/question/why-did-girl-scout-cookies-rename-samoas-to-caramel-delight

Don Coyote

Quote from: navkat on March 12, 2012, 04:18:14 AM
That's funny, cause I was forced to buy Caramel dLites here in 'Bama...maybe cuzza all them NeoCons around here, protectin my free speech n shit.

http://www.chacha.com/question/why-did-girl-scout-cookies-rename-samoas-to-caramel-delight

That is so weird. This is the second box I've had since they started selling cookies this season.

navkat

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 12, 2012, 04:22:18 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 12, 2012, 04:18:14 AM
That's funny, cause I was forced to buy Caramel dLites here in 'Bama...maybe cuzza all them NeoCons around here, protectin my free speech n shit.

http://www.chacha.com/question/why-did-girl-scout-cookies-rename-samoas-to-caramel-delight

That is so weird. This is the second box I've had since they started selling cookies this season.

I should punch you in the FAYCE and eat your cookies.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 12, 2012, 03:11:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2012, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 11, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Mulatto doesn't sound racist to me. Sounds like a coffee or dessert

It does sound delicious! And an Octoroon sounds like a crunchy cookie.

I like to dunk my octoroons in a nice big cup of mulatto.

That's what I was thinking!  :lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."