The Parlor Problem

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sex is an evolutionary biological urge.  Sex, and by association physical contact, triggers an enormous biochemical edocrine cascade of hormones that affect the body and brain, and ultimately, the way we feel, behave, and function.

I am really puzzled why you would think that something which has been wired so deeply in our bodies and minds for billions of years is somehow not a "need".

Because a lot of people manage to go without it for extended periods without having a psychotic break or going on a stabbing spree.

I'm curious about that. Google turns up individual cases but I can't find anything on it being a trend. I'm wondering if it's simply a matter of not getting laid or if there's other factors involved. The idea that family is vital is pretty ingrained in Chinese culture, isn't the reason they kept all those boys to begin with because they way it's set up over there, you need sons to take care of you when you're old?

It's so the family name gets to live on.

And depression/irrational behavior =/= stabbing spree.

No, it doesn't.

And this world is a fucking KALEIDESCOPE of shitty things and tough breaks that can make people depressed and irrational at times. Crappy jobs. The news. Bills. Nickelback.

Sad, but most of us manage to function in spite of it. It just doesn't strike me as critical enough to consider sex a "need".

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Sex is an evolutionary biological urge.  Sex, and by association physical contact, triggers an enormous biochemical edocrine cascade of hormones that affect the body and brain, and ultimately, the way we feel, behave, and function.

I am really puzzled why you would think that something which has been wired so deeply in our bodies and minds for billions of years is somehow not a "need".

Because a lot of people manage to go without it for extended periods without having a psychotic break or going on a stabbing spree.

I'm curious about that. Google turns up individual cases but I can't find anything on it being a trend. I'm wondering if it's simply a matter of not getting laid or if there's other factors involved. The idea that family is vital is pretty ingrained in Chinese culture, isn't the reason they kept all those boys to begin with because they way it's set up over there, you need sons to take care of you when you're old?

It's so the family name gets to live on.

And depression/irrational behavior =/= stabbing spree.

No, it doesn't.

And this world is a fucking KALEIDESCOPE of shitty things and tough breaks that can make people depressed and irrational at times. Crappy jobs. The news. Bills. Nickelback.

Sad, but most of us manage to function in spite of it. It just doesn't strike me as critical enough to consider sex a "need".

So, in many communities today there are growing numbers of young men in the lower echelons of society who are marginalized because of lack of family prospects and who have little outlet for sexual energy. A number of commentators predict that this situation will lead to increased levels of antisocial behavior and violence and will ultimately present a threat to the stability and security of society (31, 45–49).

There is some empirical evidence to fear such a scenario. Gender is a well-established individual-level correlate of crime, and especially violent crime (50). It is a consistent finding across cultures that an overwhelming percentage of violent crime is perpetrated by young, unmarried, low-status males (50–52). In India, a study carried out between 1980 and 1982 showed a strong correlation between homicide rates in individual states across the country and the sex ratio in those states, after controlling for potential confounders such as urbanization and poverty (53). The authors concluded that there was a clear link between sex ratio and violence as a whole, not just violence against women as might be assumed when there is a shortage of females. These analyses were repeated by Hudson and Den Boer (46), who showed that the relationship between sex ratio and murder rates at the level of the Indian state persisted through the late 1990s. In China, young male migrant workers are thought to be responsible for a disproportionate amount of urban crime, especially violent crime. It is reported that migrants account for 50% of all criminal cases in the major receiving cities for migrants, with some cities reporting up to 80% (54).

From

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569153/

[Salty]

 

Phone's ringing Anna. It's your motherfucking limbic system.

Your brain, the one that is actively refusing reality in this "conversation" is only here, right now, in that body of yours because some tiny little mammal a long fucking time ago was able to successfully fuck. You are the product of successful fucking. Your brain, at it's core, wants two thing:

1. Avoid getting killed.
2. Fuck so your DNA carries on.

That's it. Everything else is just a fancy fever dream. True, we build societies, among other things, with those fever dreams. Hell, your fancy frontal lobes are even capable of ignoring the very real demand for sex. But then it releases actual REAL unhappy chemicals that prompt you to look for more.

Needs? We don't need very much. We only NEED to protect out bodies from death. Shelter, food, water. If that's all we need then why the fuck are people so unhappy?

In fact...humm..maybe the reality that America has some of the highest rates of anxiety, depression, and other bad chemical reactions correlates with the intense sexual repression that is just a part of the American Way. Maybe all those people who get sex shoved in their face daily with ads should just STFU and stop whining they're not getting any and be happy they survive at all.

Oh yeah, they CANNOT because their brains are HARDWIRED to fuck, to spread DNA. YOU are the product of this hardwiring.

As for the rest of this conversation...the whole point of my OP was that in this scenario the worker IS in control. As Placid Dingo's link clearly showed these women ARE in control and do get to reject men they don't want to work with. So long as "We reserve the right to refuse anyone" is in place WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[Salty]

FWIW, I think that, in American culture, if you legalized prostitution you'd probably end up with something like "Jack in a Box" get your goo gone on the go. We would mass produce it and outsource where possible.

Because we can't help it.

[Salty]

ALSO, I care less about justifying sex work (getting or giving) than I care about how to structure sex work so as not to be harmful to either party. PD's example is excellent.

Is the work compassion? Are the guys indulging a need? I don't really care. That shouldn't justify it one way or another. What people willingly do with their bodies in detail does not matter when compared with their right to do so. Kind of like, oh um, dare I say...DRUGS.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

ALSO, I care less about justifying sex work (getting or giving) than I care about how to structure sex work so as not to be harmful to either party. PD's example is excellent.

Is the work compassion? Are the guys indulging a need? I don't really care. That shouldn't justify it one way or another. What people willingly do with their bodies in detail does not matter when compared with their right to do so. Kind of like, oh um, dare I say...DRUGS.

I agree that a person has the right to do as they please with his/her own body.

Can't argue that part.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sex is an evolutionary biological urge.  Sex, and by association physical contact, triggers an enormous biochemical edocrine cascade of hormones that affect the body and brain, and ultimately, the way we feel, behave, and function.

I am really puzzled why you would think that something which has been wired so deeply in our bodies and minds for billions of years is somehow not a "need".

Because a lot of people manage to go without it for extended periods without having a psychotic break or going on a stabbing spree.

I'm curious about that. Google turns up individual cases but I can't find anything on it being a trend. I'm wondering if it's simply a matter of not getting laid or if there's other factors involved. The idea that family is vital is pretty ingrained in Chinese culture, isn't the reason they kept all those boys to begin with because they way it's set up over there, you need sons to take care of you when you're old?

It's so the family name gets to live on.

And depression/irrational behavior =/= stabbing spree.

No, it doesn't.

And this world is a fucking KALEIDESCOPE of shitty things and tough breaks that can make people depressed and irrational at times. Crappy jobs. The news. Bills. Nickelback.

Sad, but most of us manage to function in spite of it. It just doesn't strike me as critical enough to consider sex a "need".

So, in many communities today there are growing numbers of young men in the lower echelons of society who are marginalized because of lack of family prospects and who have little outlet for sexual energy. A number of commentators predict that this situation will lead to increased levels of antisocial behavior and violence and will ultimately present a threat to the stability and security of society (31, 45–49).

There is some empirical evidence to fear such a scenario. Gender is a well-established individual-level correlate of crime, and especially violent crime (50). It is a consistent finding across cultures that an overwhelming percentage of violent crime is perpetrated by young, unmarried, low-status males (50–52). In India, a study carried out between 1980 and 1982 showed a strong correlation between homicide rates in individual states across the country and the sex ratio in those states, after controlling for potential confounders such as urbanization and poverty (53). The authors concluded that there was a clear link between sex ratio and violence as a whole, not just violence against women as might be assumed when there is a shortage of females. These analyses were repeated by Hudson and Den Boer (46), who showed that the relationship between sex ratio and murder rates at the level of the Indian state persisted through the late 1990s. In China, young male migrant workers are thought to be responsible for a disproportionate amount of urban crime, especially violent crime. It is reported that migrants account for 50% of all criminal cases in the major receiving cities for migrants, with some cities reporting up to 80% (54).

From

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569153/

OK, I'll cede that one. Young guys can get crazy, especially in groups. And it says they controlled for "potential confounders such as urbanization and poverty".

It also says the sex industry has expanded in both India and China, but the highest numbers of sex workers are in areas where the sex ratio is least distorted. It's still possible a lot of these guys can go to prostitutes, I don't think the whole problem is not getting laid in a place where these guys have no hope of anything but getting old and dying alone, but ok, it definitely contributes.

Whole countries that are mostly poor migrant guys running around are bound to run into trouble for LOTS of reasons, though.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

All animals have needs.  Animals use instinct to address those needs.  Due to our frontal lobes, we have drives to achieve the same thing.

The only difference is that a drive can be denied and an instinct cannot.  But they are both mechanisms to address a need.

Mating instinct ---->  Sex Drive ----> both address the same need.

[Telarus]

FWIW, I think that, in American culture, if you legalized prostitution you'd probably end up with something like "Jack in a Box" get your goo gone on the go. We would mass produce it and outsource where possible.

Because we can't help it.

Once gynodroid robotics and teledildonics advances enough, the girls won't even have to touch the customers!!!!!  (Granted, this does kinda remove any chance of infection from point-of-contact...)

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Phone's ringing Anna. It's your motherfucking limbic system.

Your brain, the one that is actively refusing reality in this "conversation" is only here, right now, in that body of yours because some tiny little mammal a long fucking time ago was able to successfully fuck. You are the product of successful fucking. Your brain, at it's core, wants two thing:

1. Avoid getting killed.
2. Fuck so your DNA carries on.

That's it. Everything else is just a fancy fever dream. True, we build societies, among other things, with those fever dreams. Hell, your fancy frontal lobes are even capable of ignoring the very real demand for sex. But then it releases actual REAL unhappy chemicals that prompt you to look for more.

Needs? We don't need very much. We only NEED to protect out bodies from death. Shelter, food, water. If that's all we need then why the fuck are people so unhappy?

In fact...humm..maybe the reality that America has some of the highest rates of anxiety, depression, and other bad chemical reactions correlates with the intense sexual repression that is just a part of the American Way. Maybe all those people who get sex shoved in their face daily with ads should just STFU and stop whining they're not getting any and be happy they survive at all.

Oh yeah, they CANNOT because their brains are HARDWIRED to fuck, to spread DNA. YOU are the product of this hardwiring.

As for the rest of this conversation...the whole point of my OP was that in this scenario the worker IS in control. As Placid Dingo's link clearly showed these women ARE in control and do get to reject men they don't want to work with. So long as "We reserve the right to refuse anyone" is in place WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I paid my debt to the species. It's on my kids to pass DNA on at this point. And my limbic system is fine. I feel great.
Have you been to Seguin? I'll be JUST FINE until I can get away for the weekend. Even if it takes months. Hell, if it took YEARS, I still wouldn't fuck any of these people.

And these women still have to make a living. Turning people down until you get one you ACTUALLY LIKE ENOUGH TO PULL HIS DICK has got to be bad for business. 

ALSO, I care less about justifying sex work (getting or giving) than I care about how to structure sex work so as not to be harmful to either party. PD's example is excellent.

Is the work compassion? Are the guys indulging a need? I don't really care. That shouldn't justify it one way or another. What people willingly do with their bodies in detail does not matter when compared with their right to do so. Kind of like, oh um, dare I say...DRUGS.

You don't need another person participating to get high, and I never heard of anybody hiring somebody else (who wouldn't have bothered if they weren't getting paid) to get high with them.

Also, don't get me wrong, sex work should be absolutely legal everywhere. The social and economic factors need to be addressd, though. I wonder how many people would be in the sex industry if they could get decent money doing some other work, under good conditions, and/or if there was actually a decent safety net?

[Freeky]

Anna, I hate to break it to you, but you're the RWHN in this conversation.

Sorry, chicka.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Anna, I hate to break it to you, but you're the RWHN in this conversation.

Sorry, chicka.

EWWWWW! *puke* *spit* *puke*

Not attention whoring, though. I really don't see a lot of it.

And not changing my sig to a Michael Jackson song, either.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I'll bow out now before it turns into &HOES&HOES&HOES. 

[Freeky]

Anna, I hate to break it to you, but you're the RWHN in this conversation.

Sorry, chicka.

EWWWWW! *puke* *spit* *puke*

Not attention whoring, though. I really don't see a lot of it.

And not changing my sig to a Michael Jackson song, either.

You aren't as bad as RWHN and Roger's inflamed ballsacks, but I just thought I'd let you know.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Anna, I hate to break it to you, but you're the RWHN in this conversation.

Sorry, chicka.

EWWWWW! *puke* *spit* *puke*

Not attention whoring, though. I really don't see a lot of it.

And not changing my sig to a Michael Jackson song, either.

You aren't as bad as RWHN and Roger's inflamed ballsacks, but I just thought I'd let you know.

Thanks. *hugz*