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Started by LMNO, April 15, 2013, 08:19:14 PM

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Suu

Quote from: Cain on April 20, 2013, 07:16:04 PM
Given every other domestic American terrorist has been read their Miranda rights, the only assumption is that this case is special because of the religious and/or ethnic background of Tsarnaev. 

IOW, legalised discrimination.  Yay!

Laws have not changed regarding such instances since McVeigh, have they? How were the Ft. Hood attacks approached?
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This is the nice thing about Tucson.  It's too hard to excited about The Cause and "direct action", here.  It's too much work for the police to pull weird and "extraordinary" things that are becoming far too ordinary.  No, we live in the darkness imposed by a merciless, omnipresent sun, and it has baked the evil out of us.  We may be batshit crazy, but we're not sick

We often wonder what in gibbering fuck possesses You People down there in the oxygen.  It is a subject of discussion, and much bafflement.

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- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

Quote from: Suu on April 20, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 20, 2013, 07:16:04 PM
Given every other domestic American terrorist has been read their Miranda rights, the only assumption is that this case is special because of the religious and/or ethnic background of Tsarnaev. 

IOW, legalised discrimination.  Yay!

Laws have not changed regarding such instances since McVeigh, have they? How were the Ft. Hood attacks approached?

As Nidal Hasan was a soldier and the attacks took place on a military base, he is subject to military law.

The public safety exception has existed since 1984 (appropriately enough), but the FBI issued an order in 2010 to "interpret broadly" the exception when dealing with terrorism cases.

The Johnny


Some might not remember directly, but it reminds me of certain ghost of the past:

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Ill just say that dealing with brutality with exceptions to human rights leads to more brutality overall.
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Quote from: Junkenstein on April 20, 2013, 06:56:24 PM
Could the be working under the assumption there are more devices to be found?

"Special Interrogation team" just sounds like "most creative CIA guy we had handy". I can't think how else this could be justified. The eventual defence lawyer will have fun with this too I'm sure.

"Special Interrogation Team" is code for "trained torturers". Bet money.
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"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Cain

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 21, 2013, 12:47:23 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 20, 2013, 06:56:24 PM
Could the be working under the assumption there are more devices to be found?

"Special Interrogation team" just sounds like "most creative CIA guy we had handy". I can't think how else this could be justified. The eventual defence lawyer will have fun with this too I'm sure.

"Special Interrogation Team" is code for "trained torturers". Bet money.

I'm wondering if they're referring to the High-Value Interrogation Group.  If so, he's likely being interrogated while drugged up, and being deprived sleep too.

Golden Applesauce

Hypothetically, if there was some friendly foreign intelligence or FBI sting operation gone wrong behind this, the first thing I'd try to do is make sure the guy dies resisting arrest, and if that fails, cook his brain with drugs and torture before he gets a chance to say anything publically.
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Suu

Quote from: The Johnny on April 20, 2013, 09:25:24 PM

Some might not remember directly, but it reminds me of certain ghost of the past:

hxxp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPQsew37FM5z-IhXZSSN2S29k6_FV-38h0nGf70cw5YdyBOp2U9w

Ill just say that dealing with brutality with exceptions to human rights leads to more brutality overall.

Like I told all my friends last night...we just lived a real life episode of 24.

Also, this happened in Watertown yesterday, it's starting to circulate on Facebook but I figured I would at least prove it's real. My friend's neighbor was out of milk, and they have little kids. Apparently someone tried to go on a milk run when shit started getting hairy, and this commonwealth copper told them no, but did the milk run for them.

People continue to impress me up here.

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"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Cain

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 21, 2013, 01:57:43 AM
Hypothetically, if there was some friendly foreign intelligence or FBI sting operation gone wrong behind this, the first thing I'd try to do is make sure the guy dies resisting arrest, and if that fails, cook his brain with drugs and torture before he gets a chance to say anything publically.

Indeed.

The Underwear Bomber - which we know from statements by John Brennan was a case where US intelligence was well informed at every step of the process - had such treatment, to the point that he was being "interviewed" while under heavy sedation.

It was also involved in the case of Faisal Shahzad and Manssor Arbabsiar.  In each case, the alleged was kept from seeing a judge for a period of days, and within that time period, a signed confession emerged.  In the case of the former, there was the suspicious "protective custody" of his family in Pakistan which happened within that time period, and in the case of the latter, it seems he was denied cigarettes and food to obtain the confession.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Suu on April 21, 2013, 03:17:57 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 20, 2013, 09:25:24 PM

Some might not remember directly, but it reminds me of certain ghost of the past:

hxxp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPQsew37FM5z-IhXZSSN2S29k6_FV-38h0nGf70cw5YdyBOp2U9w

Ill just say that dealing with brutality with exceptions to human rights leads to more brutality overall.

Like I told all my friends last night...we just lived a real life episode of 24.

Also, this happened in Watertown yesterday, it's starting to circulate on Facebook but I figured I would at least prove it's real. My friend's neighbor was out of milk, and they have little kids. Apparently someone tried to go on a milk run when shit started getting hairy, and this commonwealth copper told them no, but did the milk run for them.

People continue to impress me up here.



That kinda needs a caption.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Junkenstein

Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

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Junkenstein

#778
QuoteThe BBC's David Willis, outside the hospital, says the suspect is suffering gunshot wounds to the neck and leg and has lost a lot of blood, so it could be a while before investigators are able to talk to him.

Shot in the neck?
QuoteCBS News quoted investigators as saying that a wound to the neck may have been a suicide attempt.

May have been?

Apparently unable to communicate yet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22232196
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Suu

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Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."