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OK Cupid: Round IVXXXIX

Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, August 03, 2013, 01:47:43 AM

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The Johnny

#150
January 07, 2015, 12:49:15 AM
lol, my interactions in OKC are never that long, its either a short workup to "where do we meet?" or silence cause i creeped them out... and at what point does one stop talking to a person that clearly has different views? is there hope to magically turn them around and into one's pants? Like, what's this guy's objective?...
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Q. G. Pennyworth

#151
January 07, 2015, 05:59:48 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on January 07, 2015, 12:49:15 AM
lol, my interactions in OKC are never that long, its either a short workup to "where do we meet?" or silence cause i creeped them out... and at what point does one stop talking to a person that clearly has different views? is there hope to magically turn them around and into one's pants? Like, what's this guy's objective?...

I do not believe this guy was under any misconceptions about getting into my pants from the get-go, but was rather looking for a distraction from work.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#152
January 07, 2015, 06:05:38 AM
What disappoints me the most is that I'd really like to have this debate out with a capable sparring partner. My position is in no way unassailable and there's a lot of assumptions that should be challenged. I care about this subject quite a bit and I'd like to refine my understanding of it better. This little dicknut keeps jumping all over the place, I can't even tell where he thought the goalposts were when we started and every one of his rebuttals is "you're wrong and also a baby."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#153
January 07, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Q. G. Pennyworth

#154
January 07, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".

Because "most humans and other intelligent species aren't immediately dicks to strangers" is super deluded and optimistic....

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#155
January 07, 2015, 06:39:26 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 07, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".

Because "most humans and other intelligent species aren't immediately dicks to strangers" is super deluded and optimistic....

He's just another boring hipster whose identity is wound up in being jaded and pessimistic so he doesn't have to actually think about doing anything to help make the world a better place.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Johnny

#156
January 07, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
Rhetorically sparring with most people gives you lowest denominator... cheap shots and a lot of flailing around... it takes a good opponent to learn something more than primitive representations and prejudices that support theircomfort zone and worldview.

Its probably a flawed comparison, but, it might be the diffrence between fighting with maces and fencing... brute force vs disciplined and trained "attacks".
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

LMNO

#157
January 07, 2015, 01:10:03 PM
QG, if the subject really interests you, then you should check out the Friendly AI posts at LessWrong.
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligence

There's even a foundation dedicated to positive AI, called MIRI.
https://intelligence.org/

Please to enjoy.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#158
January 07, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 07, 2015, 01:10:03 PM
QG, if the subject really interests you, then you should check out the Friendly AI posts at LessWrong.
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligence

There's even a foundation dedicated to positive AI, called MIRI.
https://intelligence.org/

Please to enjoy.

I found MIRI as I was looking for more things to bolster my arguments, I actually have a bunch of tabs open from there right now. :) I'll be sure to look at Less Wrong too. Thanks.

Eater of Clowns

#159
January 07, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
There's a really fun game I've been playing, a text adventure based on designing AI where the robot learns from your decisions and becomes any manner of benevolent, homicidal, etc.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en

My stepsister's boyfriend wrote it. He's got some ridiculous doctorate in Artificial Intelligence and works for Google. I'm going to have to bring up Less Wrong and Yudkowsky at the next family gathering, now that I think of it.

Sorry if this comes across as a plug. It seems like it might really interest some folks here.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
EoC, you are the bane of my existence.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
EoC doesn't make creepy.

EoC makes creepy worse.

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the afflicted persons get hold of and consume carrots even in socially quite unacceptable situations.

LMNO

#160
January 07, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
I wish I could googleplay at work.  It sounds pretty cool.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#161
January 07, 2015, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 07, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
There's a really fun game I've been playing, a text adventure based on designing AI where the robot learns from your decisions and becomes any manner of benevolent, homicidal, etc.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en

My stepsister's boyfriend wrote it. He's got some ridiculous doctorate in Artificial Intelligence and works for Google. I'm going to have to bring up Less Wrong and Yudkowsky at the next family gathering, now that I think of it.

Sorry if this comes across as a plug. It seems like it might really interest some folks here.

This looks fun!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Chelagoras The Boulder

#162
January 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
right, so Comfortable Female Friend just texted me today saying she doesn't wanna see me anymore. So that's just fucking terrific.
"It isn't who you know, it's who you know, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do."

LMNO

#163
January 29, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
Sounds like a one-sided comfort.  Sucks, but there could be something to learn, there.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#164
January 29, 2015, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on January 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
right, so Comfortable Female Friend just texted me today saying she doesn't wanna see me anymore. So that's just fucking terrific.

:( I'm sorry to hear that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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