Rev Roger, Sermon 31: Shit Your Hate, or You Will DIE!

[Pope On A Rope]

God damn flying gerbils.

even your penis hates you.

Hence the sedatives.

[Ghost Hugh]

IT'S QUITE UNFORTUNATE THAT EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT GET IT DON'T GET IT.

I'M NOT SURE I AGREE THAT DISCORDIANISM IS A FAILURE, BUT DISCORDIANS CERTAINLY ARE.

OOPS, THAT WASN'T 5-7-5. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

Hah! Sucker! What did you think Discordianism was anyway?

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

I think he needs some hugs and some pie and some self-help guru to teach him to like himself.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

http://principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6237

"Goddammit, Roger, I really hate you."
- Larry the Diseased Mountain Monk, after "The Incident", 1987.

"YUO GOT PLAYED, OPIE!  YUO GONNA TAKE THAT SHIT?"
- Chef, in our head, last week.

"Summer is over, the harvest is in, and we are not saved."
- The Old Testament


Brethren and Cistern, the time has come for The Good Reverend to renounce Discordianism as a failure...a rather silly failure, at that.  Nothing has been accomplished in two years of bullshit, "creative disorder" is a sad joke, and all the blog threads and imaginary bars  on the internet haven't saved you.

Face it, you're fucked, and you have nobody to blame but yourself.  Instead of using discordianism to disrupt - even for a few precious seconds - The Machine(tm), you have used it to play haiku games and to form factions.  The "commandment" that Discordians must stick apart has been warped out of usefulness.  You remembered the "apart" thing, but not the "stick" part, didn't you?

Well, good.  You deserve every shitty thing that is coming down the pike.  The Grayfaces won, and you let them.  Personally, I think it's funny as hell.  Almost as funny as reading claims of magickl/psychic "powers".

What's that you say?  "Fuck you, Roger"?  Yeah, I am perfectly well aware that some of you hate my guts these days.  GOOD.  If you LIKED me, I'd re-evaluate the way I am living my life.  The LAST thing I need is "friends" who think that "Three Word Game" or "What are you eating" is a worthy use of your time.

Hell, at least Bella had the GUTS to SHIT HER HATE, even if she did so for the very goofiest of reasons.  She has my respect for that, though never again will she have my friendship (assuming she wanted it, which she has made very clear she doesn't).

What about the rest of you?  What have YOU done?  One of you played fuckaround behind the scenes with moderator/admin abilities.  Whoopie ding fuck for you.  Aren't you special?  What have you accomplished, save to further fracture an already useless group?  ...Well, you got rid of ME, and I guess that should count for something.

That's about it, isn't it?  Sure, the rest of you chose grand titles for yourself, created fictitious armies, and TALKED about smiting the Grays...but that's all you did...talk.  Hell, some of you didn't even do THAT.  Listen up, you Goddamn monkeys...Discord isn't about hiding from the world, it's about giving the world a fucking rupture!

Wake up and smell the sodium pentathol, shitheads.  Posting stupid shit about face raping bats and goats is not only useless, it's not even original.  Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, you fucking moonbats...cribbing style is one thing, running it into the fucking ground is quite another.

Just looking at PD.com PISSES ME OFF.  I'd sic the troll army on your sorry asses, and end this fucking farce once and for all, but I promised someone I wouldn't.  The Good Reverend may do all sorts of shitty things, but breaking promises isn't one of them.  Pity.

So, in the words of St Kid the Rock, Fuck all y'all.  I'm returning to my Subgenius roots, and may you all enjoy the upcoming years of shame, failure, and degradation that you have earned so richly.  May the whirlwind that is surely coming sweep you up, and destroy you all.

Me?  I think I've made my point.  Now I'm going to fucking Disneyland.

Or Kill Me.

It is always good to try valium in these delusional states. I mean really....it is the internet for bobsake? I used to respect him, but now he is showing on his fascism and crap. What did he think Discordianism was supposed to actually DO? Hah! Sucker!

What the FCUK is he on about?

[DJRubberducky]

I think he's just sad that not enough people were opting to kill him.

Is he really gone now?  About time.  He'd been threatening to go for months.

[Anonymous]

........Is he really gone now? ........

Probably. He took all his rants away last night.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

........Is he really gone now? ........

Probably. He took all his rants away last night.

All of them? That was a bit extreme, innit?

[gnimbley]

........Is he really gone now? ........

Probably. He took all his rants away last night.

All of them? That was a bit extreme, innit?

Extreme is Roger's middle name.

[Malaul]

he left this one though

the rest can be found over at the SandBox

[Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell]

In many ways this rant is spot on.

However, it's assuming that the people on www.principiadiscordia.com are the extent of the Discordian movement or that discusions on www.principiadiscordia.com are the extent of the actions of the people that discuss things on www.principiadiscordia.com

Edit: also, as much as I like the Church of the SubGenius, it's not like they're doing any better. At least the routine was original when the Discordian Society did it.

[Iron Sulfide]

::sigh:: Stupid apes....  :roll:

only intelligent thing said on the topic so far..

erm, :ahem: only thing i agree with, i mean.

[Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell]

Roger's sermon is true in some sense, (we're all lazy fucks and sitting around all day posting nonsense on a message board isn't helping anything) wheras LMNO's response is also true in some sense (We're doing this for fun. If we are doing top-secret incredble world-saving mindfucks, we shouldn't be posting them in public.)

I think we need to get rid of the idea of sucess or failure and just have fun and make our own lives better, and do good and make other peoples' lives better, until our bodies stop working and we move on to whatever's next, be it oblivion, heaven, hell, reincarnation, or being a ghost who has to haunt a house for the next 500 years.

[IntoxiChrist]

While I concur with a great deal of Roger's commentary, one has to acknowledge a very ugly fact: The Greyfaces won decades ago, and it was groups such as the Hippies, Yippies, the violent revolutionaries, and yes, the Discordians, that allowed them to do so.

Americans no longer live in a society that allows the cognitive wiggle room that allows Discordianism - or Discord itself - to flourish. Americans are dumber than ever, to the point where some of us can no longer even reach them on a semantic level that allows for mindfucks or other "enlightening" practices. America knows television, and it seems pretty goddamned difficult to find any room for mental maneuvering within that stodgy and intellectually suffocating environment. There's no ammunition, and there's also no target.

Even when we manage to do something that gets on radar - via the evening news or NPR or the more popular blogs - we're hard-pressed to find a single damned perosn who will spend a second of their lives to even think about the act. With all the information at their disposal, Americans are better than ever at ignoring Damned Things.

Nevertheless, re-reading the Principia for the Nth time, it seems like the aforementioned anti-establishment groups did their jobs just fine. The Bureacracy destroys itself through the Game Without End of Order Imposition. At this point, the only way to even make the establishment take notice of you or your Discordian Mandate is to blow something up or kill people or destroy a tremendous amount of government property in a flashy way. That's Destructive Disorder, and condemned by the entire goddamned philosophy. So it seems, at this point, that the wisest course of action is to let the establishment paint itself into a corner, and Totally Flip Out.

So what do you do in the meantime?

The missus and I, on the other hand, are taking a course of action we consider to be saner for all involved - we're leaving. We're saving up for a vineyard in Italy. I'll go grow my grapes and drink my wine and avoid newspapers and television and the Internet like the plague. The loss of Hot Pockets and mass produced music delivered to my door and Cros'anwdwiches seems like a reasonable sacrifice.

Back to why Roger's right, however:

Reading between the lines of the Principia, you find that Discordianism is, like Islam or Zen or the Copenhagen Interpretation or the Ku Klux Klan, a philosophy.  Underneath (and contained inside) the jokes and nonsense you find a sort of Western Zen that other, more serious minds have been trying to create for decades. It seems to me, however, that a great deal of Discordians I've spoken with today are unwilling or unable to understand or even glimpse that underlying philosophy.

"Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead."

A great deal of what I've found on PD.com is meaningless chatter. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, contrary to the opinion of some, such as Roger. I think they attack this chatter because they think that, somehow, it's detracting from the discussion, evolution, and implementation of Discordian philosophy as more than retarded jokes and abused catchphrases.  They may believe that with a little less distraction, and a little more focus, PD.com could continue what the original group started.

I submit to you that many of you never intended to discuss those subjects to begin with.

[Iron Sulfide]

you may submit what you submitted at the end of the post. and it's true.
but the factor of them still responding, pro or con, or even neutral,
like myself, should be taken into account.

no one anywhere is innocent. kids are defiled almost as soon as they're out
of the womb. sometimes before that.

and it's altogether, as i see it, not so much that the 'greyfaces' won, recently,
or decades ago. from what i've been able to garner from the available
information of the past few (plus) millennia, Greyface and Greyfaces have
always been the predominant factor [i.e. most likely to be in a position of 'power'
or of influence.] so it shouldn't be considered that there is even really
a greater game to win, let alone that if such a game does or did or will
exist, that the way to win is to overpower, or outman, or propagate best.
limit yourself and you'll find limitations.

in fact, i've been privvy to loads of awesome conversation that affected me
(my whole intent of conversing) as well as having the chance to give other
people some things they can chew on if they want to. free exchange of
ideas has always been a hobby of mine. (remembering that the map is
not the territory, and that what the thinker thinks, the prover proves.)
lately, i've witnessed what i witnessed at an old forum i took part in.
http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/

the conversations degraded into bickering and ad hominem.

it was a shame too.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

[It is always good to try valium in these delusional states. I mean really....it is the internet for bobsake? I used to respect him, but now he is showing on his fascism and crap. What did he think Discordianism was supposed to actually DO? Hah! Sucker!

What the FCUK is he on about?

Kindly do not repost/re-install my rants without my permission.

In addition, my post was altered.  I do not expect to see this happen again.  I would add, that in character with my "fascist" nature, I copywrited the body of work that is represented at the sandbox, as of 7/27/05.  If reposting is done without my permission, excepting the use covered by the Fair Use Act, I will take such steps as are appropriate.

I expect to see the copy in your quote erased.  

Thank you.

TGRR,
Would hate to make an issue out of this.

Extreme is Roger's middle name.

When necessary, yes.