the triumph of maybe logic (?)

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after reading about maybe logic and e-prime
it seems that there is suggestion that perhaps not only is the verb 'to be' not good to use but it may in fact be a fallacy altogether as in - it may be inherently contradictory to say this IS that

has anybody here read into any of this e-prime or maybe logic business?
if the language we use to communicate really does reveal itself as faulty as it seems then perhaps maybe logic goes a long way in determining how the mess developed on this planet adherance to maybe logic immediately puts to rest nearly all causes of conflict that are known
there does not seem to be any room for opinions in maybe logic
and as such no room for differences of opinion
the biggest drawback that i can see regarding maybe logic would be that it could prove difficult to come to an agreement to get certain things done
(basically anything political) but that may not be such a bad thing
maybe logic also lends itself to all the new age folks hellbent on crowley - aquarius - the mayans - 2012 - ufos - etc etc etc
as all of these can be summed up with a resounding maybe
does anybody have any insights on e-prime or maybe logic?
the shit is looking pretty damn good from where i am sitting right now

I agree that the shit is good but that maybe is a pisser.

To return to the original topic of conversation, EP/ML seems to gives us the best possible platform to move forward logically, but does that result in knowledge becoming a probability?  Only a possibility?... and if that's so, then wouldn't the original assumption seem a possibility?  Doesn't it erode any ultimate basis for subscribing to EP/ML since probability encompasses all probabilities?  The benefit of EP/ML is only a possibility.  Why do we have greater confidence in EP/ML?  To what degree is our confidence greater in it than our confidence in other possibilities.  Using ML, what convinces us that ML is true(r)?

In short can EP/ML convince us of any truth, itself included?

Phew!

[Toots]

Maybe. (Ha ha)
But the advantage of e-prime is that it exposes the collection of compromises that is the human language. Language is a human construct and therefore imperfect.

Because at one point we were smaller than the things trying to eat us, we had to develop a complex system of symbols so we could cooperate to survive. We would point to a rock and go "rock," "tiger," "fire." Yada yada. But as humanity becomes more interested in complex ideas and constructs, the language system starts to crack at the sides--it becomes unable to adequately describe things like "nothing," or "empathy."

Using e-prime just points out that the language we are using may not necessarily be 100 % accurate, therefore our assumptions about the world and our reality, based as they are in part in language, may also not be 100% accurate either.

IMO anyway.

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IMO shrugging is the only universal language.

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I mean, ultimately, I'm gonna die either way.

if only it could be that easy

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after reading about maybe logic and e-prime
it seems that there is suggestion that perhaps not only is the verb 'to be' not good to use but it may in fact be a fallacy altogether as in - it may be inherently contradictory to say this IS that

has anybody here read into any of this e-prime or maybe logic business?
if the language we use to communicate really does reveal itself as faulty as it seems then perhaps maybe logic goes a long way in determining how the mess developed on this planet adherance to maybe logic immediately puts to rest nearly all causes of conflict that are known
there does not seem to be any room for opinions in maybe logic
and as such no room for differences of opinion
the biggest drawback that i can see regarding maybe logic would be that it could prove difficult to come to an agreement to get certain things done
(basically anything political) but that may not be such a bad thing
maybe logic also lends itself to all the new age folks hellbent on crowley - aquarius - the mayans - 2012 - ufos - etc etc etc
as all of these can be summed up with a resounding maybe
does anybody have any insights on e-prime or maybe logic?
the shit is looking pretty damn good from where i am sitting right now

I agree that the shit is good but that maybe is a pisser.

To return to the original topic of conversation, EP/ML seems to gives us the best possible platform to move forward logically, but does that result in knowledge becoming a probability?  Only a possibility?... and if that's so, then wouldn't the original assumption seem a possibility?  Doesn't it erode any ultimate basis for subscribing to EP/ML since probability encompasses all probabilities?  The benefit of EP/ML is only a possibility.  Why do we have greater confidence in EP/ML?  To what degree is our confidence greater in it than our confidence in other possibilities.  Using ML, what convinces us that ML is true(r)?

In short can EP/ML convince us of any truth, itself included?

Phew!

of course maybe logic presents itself as a maybe

to what degree can a person find more confidence in maybe logic?

well
for starters

it puts an abrupt end to disagreements between two people

lets see where that takes us




it would also put an end to property


lemme think on this for a little while longer

[Toots]

it would also put an end to property

This is why I think e-prime is not going to be the dominant way of communicating as long as society functions the way that it does now. You and I are only useful to the overall machine as consumers, you can not have consumerism without property. Therefore e-prime, and other endeavours at telling the truth cannot be tolerated.

Think about the sheer absurdity of modern monetary systems. At best we're now exchanging pieces of paper, all pretending that they are worth something. Strange.

I don't know enough about maybe-logic, I'm going to read up on this.

Shrugging indeed is the only true universal language. That and scratching your butt.

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"it puts an abrupt end to disagreements between two people"

Doesn't the agreement become a possibility though?  How can one be sure of an agreement if the agreement is a maybe?  The act of agreeing with an agreement is also a maybe. Is this taking it too far and why/how?

Is there any way to avoid epistemology with Maybe Logic?  If not, doesn't Maybe Logic negate itself?  If so, how?

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it would also put an end to property

This is why I think e-prime is not going to be the dominant way of communicating as long as society functions the way that it does now. You and I are only useful to the overall machine as consumers, you can not have consumerism without property. Therefore e-prime, and other endeavours at telling the truth cannot be tolerated.

Think about the sheer absurdity of modern monetary systems. At best we're now exchanging pieces of paper, all pretending that they are worth something. Strange.

I don't know enough about maybe-logic, I'm going to read up on this.

Shrugging indeed is the only true universal language. That and scratching your butt.

If not money, what should represent value?  Isn't that the point of money, agreeing upon a monetary belief for convenience's sake?

[LHX]

it would also put an end to property

This is why I think e-prime is not going to be the dominant way of communicating as long as society functions the way that it does now. You and I are only useful to the overall machine as consumers, you can not have consumerism without property. Therefore e-prime, and other endeavours at telling the truth cannot be tolerated.

Think about the sheer absurdity of modern monetary systems. At best we're now exchanging pieces of paper, all pretending that they are worth something. Strange.

I don't know enough about maybe-logic, I'm going to read up on this.

Shrugging indeed is the only true universal language. That and scratching your butt.

it looks like e-prime cant develop in this society

i agree