Fuck Advertising

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Or maybe you were reinforcing my point. I don't know. I have a headache.

Um, either way, I'm sorry.

(but if anyone wants to genuinely worry that I might someday become World emperor and impose my irrational whims on the populace, that's cool)

[hunter s.durden]

Rat, you've swayed me with a reasonable argument.

I think the free market would benifit heavily with some reforms and guidelines.

Further, there's yet a larger gulf between "free speech" and the marketing dept of Nike saying "We don't use Child Labor" then later defending it with "We should be free to advertise as we wish!!!"

My need to discuss this out was because I interpreted the arguments laid out at first as:
"It's not fair that I had to pay 90$ for these shoes. They had purdy wimmens on the TV ad, how could I resist?"
Free Speech is nude girls playing volleyball and the word AXE at the end.
Abuse of that power is the sort of thing pictured above.

This was partly a semantic misunderstanding, but I do think I'm more aware of the abuses of power that take place on our screens.

Now: What's the plan?

[LMNO]

Education.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If you watch it via a recording, you can start and stop it whenever you want, and skip the commercials. Also, despite the sketchiness of research claiming to link tv and radio waves to increases in cancer, I do find it a little dismaying that we have no choice in whether to be bathed in man-made radiation constantly for no purpose other than to give people the worlds next top model.

[Triple Zero]

Advertising can be either awareness and informative, or it can be fraudulent and appeal to bias and emotion.

It's the latter I have a problem with.

I don't have a problem with the latter. It seems to me its stupid people who suffer most from it.

What's bad for the stoopids is good for the lulz 

so if someone tries to fuck you over but they fail because you're not stupid, you won't be pissed off at them?

what if they severely annoy you while trying yet failing?

but i think the point has already been made by others so far.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Rat, you've swayed me with a reasonable argument.

I think the free market would benifit heavily with some reforms and guidelines.

Further, there's yet a larger gulf between "free speech" and the marketing dept of Nike saying "We don't use Child Labor" then later defending it with "We should be free to advertise as we wish!!!"

My need to discuss this out was because I interpreted the arguments laid out at first as:
"It's not fair that I had to pay 90$ for these shoes. They had purdy wimmens on the TV ad, how could I resist?"
Free Speech is nude girls playing volleyball and the word AXE at the end.
Abuse of that power is the sort of thing pictured above.

This was partly a semantic misunderstanding, but I do think I'm more aware of the abuses of power that take place on our screens.

Now: What's the plan?

Well, I don't know. The first thing that would have to happen is a repeal of the Boston v. Bellotti decision where  SCOTUS decided 5/4 that corporations should be protected as individual entities for the purpose of 'Free Speech' for the purpose of giving money to a campaign. This single decision is the touchstone that corporations use when arguing for 'Free Speech'.

Here's what Justice Rehnquist said when the decision was handed down (he dissented):  "It might reasonably be concluded that those properties, so beneficial in the economic sphere, pose special dangers in the political sphere. Furthermore, it might be argued that liberties of political expression are not at all necessary to effectuate the purposes for which States permit commercial corporations to exist."

Corporations exist so that entrepreneurs can invest capital and gain returns with limited liability/responsibility... to paraphrase the webslinger's Uncle: "With Limited Liability Comes Limited Freedom".

So I would argue that some new document be ratified that's a Corporate Bill of Rights. I mean, not much of the actual Bill of Rights applies to Corporations, why would just one line? It's not like Corporations are free to keep and bear arms (unless they're Blackwater I guess), Corporations don't go to trial, Corporations aren't named in Search warrents (the individuals to be searched are), nor do corporations get a vote on the presidency.

So new Corporate Rights enumerated and limited to the express purpose for their existence (turning capital into profit with limited liability to the individuals).

[Triple Zero]

Um....

SPONGEBOB "ADVERTISES" THE GAY LIFESTYLE!

[Cain]

Rat, you've swayed me with a reasonable argument.

I think the free market would benifit heavily with some reforms and guidelines.

Further, there's yet a larger gulf between "free speech" and the marketing dept of Nike saying "We don't use Child Labor" then later defending it with "We should be free to advertise as we wish!!!"

My need to discuss this out was because I interpreted the arguments laid out at first as:
"It's not fair that I had to pay 90$ for these shoes. They had purdy wimmens on the TV ad, how could I resist?"
Free Speech is nude girls playing volleyball and the word AXE at the end.
Abuse of that power is the sort of thing pictured above.

This was partly a semantic misunderstanding, but I do think I'm more aware of the abuses of power that take place on our screens.

Now: What's the plan?

Hanging CEOs and exiling people with marketing degrees.

[hunter s.durden]

Once again, Cain gives an answer I can utilize.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Um....

SPONGEBOB "ADVERTISES" THE GAY LIFESTYLE!

[AFK]

If you watch it via a recording, you can start and stop it whenever you want, and skip the commercials. Also, despite the sketchiness of research claiming to link tv and radio waves to increases in cancer, I do find it a little dismaying that we have no choice in whether to be bathed in man-made radiation constantly for no purpose other than to give people the worlds next top model.

What do you mean you don't have a choice?  You have the same choice you make when you watch a video.  You choose whether or not to push the shiny button to actuate the visual entertainment.

"OFF" button motherfuckers, do you use it?

[Cain]

I watch TV on the internet.  Does that make me a corporate shill or on the cutting edge of the revolution?  I'm undecided personally, and want a second opinion.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Rat, you've swayed me with a reasonable argument.

I think the free market would benifit heavily with some reforms and guidelines.

Further, there's yet a larger gulf between "free speech" and the marketing dept of Nike saying "We don't use Child Labor" then later defending it with "We should be free to advertise as we wish!!!"

My need to discuss this out was because I interpreted the arguments laid out at first as:
"It's not fair that I had to pay 90$ for these shoes. They had purdy wimmens on the TV ad, how could I resist?"
Free Speech is nude girls playing volleyball and the word AXE at the end.
Abuse of that power is the sort of thing pictured above.

This was partly a semantic misunderstanding, but I do think I'm more aware of the abuses of power that take place on our screens.

Now: What's the plan?

Hanging CEOs and exiling people with marketing degrees.

Abrupt, but it works for me.

[LMNO]

If you watch it via a recording, you can start and stop it whenever you want, and skip the commercials. Also, despite the sketchiness of research claiming to link tv and radio waves to increases in cancer, I do find it a little dismaying that we have no choice in whether to be bathed in man-made radiation constantly for no purpose other than to give people the worlds next top model.

Wait... you want to eliminate broadcast entertainment because you prefer the non-linearity, and some sketchy research that doesn't apply to broadband cable?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If you watch it via a recording, you can start and stop it whenever you want, and skip the commercials. Also, despite the sketchiness of research claiming to link tv and radio waves to increases in cancer, I do find it a little dismaying that we have no choice in whether to be bathed in man-made radiation constantly for no purpose other than to give people the worlds next top model.

What do you mean you don't have a choice?  You have the same choice you make when you watch a video.  You choose whether or not to push the shiny button to actuate the visual entertainment.

"OFF" button motherfuckers, do you use it?

The TV and radio waves are there whether you turn the TV on or not.

If you want to watch Spongebob you have to be in front of the TV when it's time to watch Spongebob, and it's interspersed with commercials. It's totally inconvenient.

There's a huge difference between "if I were World Emperor I would..." and "I am seriously lobbying for..."

If I were World Emperor, I would turn off the opiate of the masses and see what happens. In reality, though, I'm not lobbying for an end of TV, I just don't watch it.