Secret of Atkins diet revealed.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Right, but if you watch that video all the way through, he is not advocating Atkins (although his science definitely backs it up) and simply removing the most processed starches and sugars from your diet, and limiting the rest, should have very nearly the same effect without compromising your vitamin and fiber intake, as well as being sustainable long-term. IMO the most functional goal is to start eating the same way you plan to eat for the rest of your life, rather than eat in some completely unsustainable way to lose the weight and then switch a gaining diet as soon as you reach your goal, which is exactly what most people do.

[fomenter]

i cant argue for the zero carb diet (i don't think Atkins was either i think he suggested something along the lines of what you are, a very low carb diet getting them from fruits and veggies) i am curious about the claims i have heard about cravings and being hungry and metabolism, based on his understanding you aren't getting fat because you are hungry you are hungry because you are getting fat..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE&feature=player_embedded#t=13


i don't know that going zero carbs resets your metabolism,  i am just curious about this view of how metabolism  works..

[Requia ☣]

The science doesn't actually back it up, in clinical trials people lost the same amount of weight on low carb as low fat diets. (for subjects who stuck to the diet)

Low carb is only useful to the extent that its: A) really hard to eat junk food that way, which makes cutting calories easier just by avoiding carbs and b) its easier for some people to stick to low carb than low fat/smaller portions/whatever other gimmick that works for some other people.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Do you mean the studies that showed that the low-carb groups lost weight faster and then leveled out and did not gain it back, while the low-fat groups lost more weight in the second six months, eventually catching up with the low-carb groups, but were more likely gain it back later? Or do you mean different studies?

I am curious whether you watched the lecture all the way through; he was pretty comprehensive about citing his sources in the lecture. I am anticipating that the book will be a lot more thorough.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The science doesn't actually back it up, in clinical trials people lost the same amount of weight on low carb as low fat diets. (for subjects who stuck to the diet)

Low carb is only useful to the extent that its: A) really hard to eat junk food that way, which makes cutting calories easier just by avoiding carbs and b) its easier for some people to stick to low carb than low fat/smaller portions/whatever other gimmick that works for some other people.

Okay, everyone Requiem is right, and you're wrong.

There you go, Req.  You can fuck off now.

[Requia ☣]

Do you mean the studies that showed that the low-carb groups lost weight faster and then leveled out and did not gain it back, while the low-fat groups lost more weight in the second six months, eventually catching up with the low-carb groups, but were more likely gain it back later? Or do you mean different studies?

I am curious whether you watched the lecture all the way through; he was pretty comprehensive about citing his sources in the lecture. I am anticipating that the book will be a lot more thorough.

Did the studies you mention account for how well people stuck to the diets?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Do you mean the studies that showed that the low-carb groups lost weight faster and then leveled out and did not gain it back, while the low-fat groups lost more weight in the second six months, eventually catching up with the low-carb groups, but were more likely gain it back later? Or do you mean different studies?

I am curious whether you watched the lecture all the way through; he was pretty comprehensive about citing his sources in the lecture. I am anticipating that the book will be a lot more thorough.

Did the studies you mention account for how well people stuck to the diets?

I don't know, I'm asking you because you brought them up. Did they? Did you read the studies, or did you hear about them on the news?

And what, scientifically, might it indicate if, under otherwise similar conditions, one group maintained a similar diet after losing weight, and the other didn't?

I'll ask again, also, if you watched the whole lecture, so that you know which scientific evidence you are refuting?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Do you mean the studies that showed that the low-carb groups lost weight faster and then leveled out and did not gain it back, while the low-fat groups lost more weight in the second six months, eventually catching up with the low-carb groups, but were more likely gain it back later? Or do you mean different studies?

I am curious whether you watched the lecture all the way through; he was pretty comprehensive about citing his sources in the lecture. I am anticipating that the book will be a lot more thorough.

Did the studies you mention account for how well people stuck to the diets?

That wasn't a factor for you when you posted your "facts", was it?

Of course not. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

so is this diet safe or not?>

Depends on how extreme it is.

The diet that worked for me <---stress on that.

1.  Eliminate fast food entirely, anything deep fried, and obvious junk food.

2.  Anything else is okay, but track your calories and stay 400 under your "break even" point.  Ask Nigel for the link to the daily plate, and enter that you wish to maintain your weight.  This will give you your break even point.

3.  Exercise to fatigue 4 times a week.  Replace burned calories, if you can compute them.  If not, don't.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

so is this diet safe or not?>

What diet are you talking about? Atkins? IMO no, not long term, not if you do the extreme version and eat lots of fatty meats and dairy and no vegetables or fruit.

However, eliminating processed carbs, including sugars, and minimizing grains and starches is extremely advisable and healthy IMO.

[Jenne]

so is this diet safe or not?>

What diet are you talking about? Atkins? IMO no, not long term, not if you do the extreme version and eat lots of fatty meats and dairy and no vegetables or fruit.

However, eliminating processed carbs, including sugars, and minimizing grains and starches is extremely advisable and healthy IMO.

Well fucking said, Nigel.

[Jenne]

LOL, BAI--just move around more.

I've noticed that for me, it's not necessarily what I'm eating/not eating...it's the fact I have a deskjob.     So I'm trying harder to move around more, and it makes a helluvalot of difference.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, so.  Fucked my shoulder up at the gym.  Ouch.

[Requia ☣]

Do you mean the studies that showed that the low-carb groups lost weight faster and then leveled out and did not gain it back, while the low-fat groups lost more weight in the second six months, eventually catching up with the low-carb groups, but were more likely gain it back later? Or do you mean different studies?

I am curious whether you watched the lecture all the way through; he was pretty comprehensive about citing his sources in the lecture. I am anticipating that the book will be a lot more thorough.

Did the studies you mention account for how well people stuck to the diets?

I don't know, I'm asking you because you brought them up. Did they? Did you read the studies, or did you hear about them on the news?

And what, scientifically, might it indicate if, under otherwise similar conditions, one group maintained a similar diet after losing weight, and the other didn't?

I'll ask again, also, if you watched the whole lecture, so that you know which scientific evidence you are refuting?

I did not watch the whole lecture no, which is why I'm asking you.  I'm not "refuting" anything, just repeating what was in a study I read:

  Sacks FM, Bray GA, Carey VJ, Smith SR, Ryan DH, Anton SD, McManus K, Champagne CM, Bishop LM, Laranjo N, Leboff MS, Rood JC, de Jonge L, Greenway FL, Loria CM, Obarzanek E, Williamson DA. Comparison of weight-loss diets with different compositions of fat, protein, and carbohydrates. N Engl J Med. 2009; 360 (9): 859-873.

     BACKGROUND: The possible advantage for weight loss of a diet that emphasizes protein, fat, or carbohydrates has not been established, and there are few studies that extend beyond 1 year. METHODS: We randomly assigned 811 overweight adults to one of four diets; the targeted percentages of energy derived from fat, protein, and carbohydrates in the four diets were 20, 15, and 65%; 20, 25, and 55%; 40, 15, and 45%; and 40, 25, and 35%. The diets consisted of similar foods and met guidelines for cardiovascular health. The participants were offered group and individual instructional sessions for 2 years. The primary outcome was the change in body weight after 2 years in two-by-two factorial comparisons of low fat versus high fat and average protein versus high protein and in the comparison of highest and lowest carbohydrate content. RESULTS: At 6 months, participants assigned to each diet had lost an average of 6 kg, which represented 7% of their initial weight; they began to regain weight after 12 months. By 2 years, weight loss remained similar in those who were assigned to a diet with 15% protein and those assigned to a diet with 25% protein (3.0 and 3.6 kg, respectively); in those assigned to a diet with 20% fat and those assigned to a diet with 40% fat (3.3 kg for both groups); and in those assigned to a diet with 65% carbohydrates and those assigned to a diet with 35% carbohydrates (2.9 and 3.4 kg, respectively) (P>0.20 for all comparisons). Among the 80% of participants who completed the trial, the average weight loss was 4 kg; 14 to 15% of the participants had a reduction of at least 10% of their initial body weight. Satiety, hunger, satisfaction with the diet, and attendance at group sessions were similar for all diets; attendance was strongly associated with weight loss (0.2 kg per session attended). The diets improved lipid-related risk factors and fasting insulin levels. CONCLUSIONS: Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT00072995.)

Is the study you mentioned cited in the video? I'd like to look at it and see if I can figure out what accounts for the discrepancy, but from what I did watch, he didn't provide any citations (which is understandable given that it was a lecture and not a paper).

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

Charleston was once the rage, uh huh
History has turned the page, uh huh
The mini skirts the current thing, uh huh
Teenybopper is our newborn king, uh huh

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

The grocery store's the super mart, uh huh
Little girls still break their hearts, uh huh
And men still keep on marching off to war
Electrically they keep a baseball score

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

Grandmas sit in chairs and reminisce
Boys keep chasing girls to get a kiss
The cars keep going faster all the time
Bums still cry "hey buddy, have you got a dime"

The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da