Pills

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

i  personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car   in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)

I don't feel that way about Prozac, I just don't like the effect it has on my libido. However, I don't take it for depression, I take it when the bugs in my house are keeping me from sleeping.

[fomenter]

i would be surprised if these things effected everyone the same way, to me it is awful but i wouldn't advocate not taking needed drugs to anyone ..get real medical help deciding what is best 

sorry to hear about your brother..

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Thanks. It was almost 12 years ago now, so it's not quite so raw.

I'm feeling as if I've been getting a little too real here lately, maybe I need to bring in a little more Nigel facade.

[Iason Ouabache]

I also think that depression tends to be an addictive cycle, in and of itself... when I was depressed (and had anxiety issues so extreme that my first husband tried to have me committed... big fun) I actually noticed that I would get out of it and be OK for a while, and even feel physically different, but when something came along that got me down it was almost SEDUCTIVE... the chemistry of depression, for me, almost felt good, while I was courting it. I became convinced that I was physically addicted to my own chemistry changes, and the result was depression-seeking behavior. I can monitor myself for this, and when I notice it I am able to force myself to break that cycle and avoid going into a bad spiral.

I've never seen anyone worded that so perfectly. The bout of depression I had a little over 10 years ago was very mild compared to most other people but you are right when you say that you can feel it physically. Once I got my chemical imbalances worked out I could tell there was a major difference. It's impossible for me to put into words but I almost missed the depression. I kept expect it to be there, sorta like when you are going up a flight of stairs in the dark and keep trying to go up after you've reached the top. You step for it and hit nothing but thin air. It took me several years to get over that.

[Faust]

No one is really sure whether the chemical imbalance is a cause or an effect of depression. IMO most depression is a natural and normal response to an unnatural and abnormal environment, rather than the result of a faulty brain, which is why there is so much of it.

this is how i have always viewed it, as a chicken egg thing, a head full of bad/depressed thoughts repeating them self's endlessly will effect chemistry - a brain full of chemistry can cause bad/depressed thoughts

i  personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car   in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)

The time I went on pills (effectsor or something) it had a really bad side-effects: I stopped dreaming completely, I wasn't really feeling much of anything but the really nasty thing was that it took away the fear of death but not the death urge. The only times I have tried to kill myself were when was those pills, and I came damn close too...
I've just started riding out the lows and I perk up eventually.

[Triple Zero]

The time I went on pills (effectsor or something) it had a really bad side-effects: I stopped dreaming completely, I wasn't really feeling much of anything but the really nasty thing was that it took away the fear of death but not the death urge. The only times I have tried to kill myself were when was those pills, and I came damn close too...
I've just started riding out the lows and I perk up eventually.

oh, Efexor. nasty shit. is among the worst when it comes to side effects and withdrawal effects (of regular SSRI/SNRIs, some heavy anti psychotics etc are worse).

I use it. Efexor 75XR. Works wonders for me. Took a bite out of my libido as well though [but I had some to spare, anyway]. Glad I never had the suicidal thoughts and shit. Only nausea and brainzaps whenever I forget to take them (srsly, after one day already). I don't plan on using them all my life though, just while I got some shit to sort out.

[rong]

please to describe brainzap?

[Triple Zero]

tricky. sorry it's something that happens in your head, like a jolt or electric shock, but not really, it can also be a sensation like a sound (that you think you hear) or real sudden vertigo, but it's really short. you know kind of like how you can lie in bed and sometimes you are just falling asleep and then your leg or arm just jerks randomly? like that but in your brain.

i suppose it's real personal or different for everyone, I didnt know it had a name, until I happened to come across it while looking up the side effects of the shit on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22 ).

[The Good Reverend Roger]

tricky. sorry it's something that happens in your head, like a jolt or electric shock, but not really, it can also be a sensation like a sound (that you think you hear) or real sudden vertigo, but it's really short. you know kind of like how you can lie in bed and sometimes you are just falling asleep and then your leg or arm just jerks randomly? like that but in your brain.

i suppose it's real personal or different for everyone, I didnt know it had a name, until I happened to come across it while looking up the side effects of the shit on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22 ).

Jesus.  I get that shit all the time.  I thought everyone did.

[Triple Zero]

Even without meds?

I just get it when my serotonin levels change, so when starting or stopping a therapy.

Also, knowing that it's just side effects, I think they're kind of funny sometimes (like, wheeee), I mean, as long as you don't actually have shit to do or have to operate heavy machinery of course.

Or maybe I just tell myself that to make up for the nausea. Which feels a lot like a hangover without the headache.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Even without meds?

For as long as I can remember.

[Triple Zero]

Even without meds?

For as long as I can remember.

MIND RAYS

no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?

kind of reminds me of last weekend, I was in a deep discussion with my gf about the Machine / Corporations, and how call-centers are like their mouth pieces, but it shows they are not human, because the callcenter people have to follow scripts, so you talk to a Machine script and not a human--but I digress. Then she got a migraine. CO-INCIDENCE? No I think some alarm bell somewhere up there in the control room must have went off.

[rong]

i think i get that too - although maybe not as severe.  i always attributed it to alcoholism.

GASP! or maybe they're not severe because of the alcoholism

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?

Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?

Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. 

Then throw me in the tub with the laundry.

TGRR,
Nothing if not useful.