Tea Party: No longer harmless nutters

[Requia ☣]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

[Jenne]

ATTN everyone in this thread:

Even a SHITTY education is better than NO education.

That is all.

/to no one in particular

[Jenne]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

Um...yyyyeah....I'm gonna need those [citation needed] reports by the weekend...so if you could just deliver those to this thread by the end of the day that would be grreeeeat....

[LMNO]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

Now compare the P®oblems of Afghanistan and the P®obplems of the US.




Exactly.

[Jenne]

http://www.readfaster.com/education_stats.asp#literacystatistics

But you know...it just doesn't AFFECT us.  Here. 

[Requia ☣]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

Um...yyyyeah....I'm gonna need those [citation needed] reports by the weekend...so if you could just deliver those to this thread by the end of the day that would be grreeeeat....

The 2000 US census.  Though doing more digging on that there are some methodological issues with how they collected that figure, so disregard it.

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Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

Now compare the P®oblems of Afghanistan and the P®obplems of the US.




Exactly.

NO, YUO ARE THE P®OBPLEM!
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[Jenne]

The 2000 US census.  Though doing more digging on that there are some methodological issues with how they collected that figure, so disregard it.

Start looking at illiteracy and the inmate population.

[Doktor Howl]

Dude.  Has no one seen what literacy rates do for countries like Afghanistan?

Really?

Literacy isn't the same thing, our kids are (supposed) to be literate before they get to junior high.  If there is a problem with illiterate kids showing up at higher levels, or dropping out in the first grade, I'm not aware of it.

I don't agree with Enki, education and crime are correlated, but the cause of the crime is A) The things that lead to poor education
and

B) The poverty resulting from poor education.

I'm not sure I follow, as it pertains to this thread.  Education is not limited to junior high, right?  It encompasses all standardized learning up to a certain point.  The question of when a child is taught to read is certainly relevant.

My point is that the literacy rate in the United States is 99%.  Lack of literacy is not one of our existing problems.

Wikipedia gives a 99% value.  However, it also states that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

A five-year, $14 million study of U.S. adult literacy involving lengthy interviews of U.S. adults, the most comprehensive study of literacy ever commissioned by the U.S. government,[2] was released in September 1993. It involved lengthy interviews of over 26,700 adults statistically balanced for age, gender, ethnicity, education level, and location (urban, suburban, or rural) in 12 states across the U.S. and was designed to represent the U.S. population as a whole. This government study showed that 21% to 23% of adult Americans were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."[2]

Sources, as always, at the bottom.

[Requia ☣]

Wikipedia also has the problems iwth how they got literacy figures in the census.

The Census Bureau reported literacy rates of 99% based on personal interviews of a relatively small portion of the population and on written responses to Census Bureau mailings. They also considered individuals literate if they simply stated that they could read and write

[Doktor Howl]

Wikipedia also has the problems iwth how they got literacy figures in the census.

The Census Bureau reported literacy rates of 99% based on personal interviews of a relatively small portion of the population and on

written responses

to Census Bureau mailings. They also considered individuals literate if they simply stated that they could read and write

I've now seen two different definitions for literacy, too.  One is whether or not you can read or write, and the other is whether or not you can write a clear sentence and find basic information in written text.  From a pragmatic point of view, the second definition is more relevant.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm not entirely sure that education decreases crime per-se. In its function as a society-normalizing system, public schooling hemogenizes the types of crimes somewhat (drug use is more encouraged than murder, etc). In its function as actual education, it probably largely just makes people who commit crimes less likely to be convicted (between knowing what evidence is and is not allowed in court, what police are and are not allowed to do, more mundane methods of covering one's tracks learned from experience and classes on more or less unrelated subjects, etc.)

What Enki actually said.

Dok,
Is admiring the backpedal, though.

What in fuck is the bolded sentence supposed to mean? I've been pondering it all day and I can't figure out what he was trying to say. It makes no sense even in context with the rest of his paragraph. Hemogen is a muscle developer. Homogenize doesn't make sense in context, and neither does hegemonize. WTF is he even trying to say?

[Freeky]

What in fuck is the bolded sentence supposed to mean? I've been pondering it all day and I can't figure out what he was trying to say. It makes no sense even in context with the rest of his paragraph. Hemogen is a muscle developer. Homogenize doesn't make sense in context, and neither does hegemonize. WTF is he even trying to say?

I think it may possible be a case where someone knows of a word and thinks they know what it means, but they don't. It happens.

[Bruno]

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Wikipedia also has the problems iwth how they got literacy figures in the census.

The Census Bureau reported literacy rates of 99% based on personal interviews of a relatively small portion of the population and on

written responses

to Census Bureau mailings. They also considered individuals literate if they simply stated that they could read and write

I've now seen two different definitions for literacy, too.  One is whether or not you can read or write, and the other is whether or not you can write a clear sentence and find basic information in written text.  From a pragmatic point of view, the second definition is more relevant.

Yep "functionally illiterate" means you might be able to sign your name or read "Dog", but you can't do much else. This is a pretty familiar experience in the area of the country I grew up in. My maternal grandmother is functionally illiterate as are her two eldest children, two youngest children and a number of cousins etc. Going door to door as a JW revealed a large number of people in the area that can't read

"Would you like to read this scripture?"
"Err, you read it to me..." 

Sometimes teaching someone the doctrines of the JW system, first required teaching them to read.

My aunt is a school teacher in the Morgan Co. school district. She has serious problems with parents being upset that she's teaching their kid to read cause "they'll think they're better than me!"

Grandma may be functionally illiterate, but she bagged a couple deer every year until she turned 83, once she couldn't climb a tree anymore, she decided to retire the hunting license.