Man shoots alleged child molester

[East Coast Hustle]

I was gonna comment on something 3 pages back, but this thread has painted itself in far too many layers of 'DURP!!" for me to want to contribute anything beyond a snarky comment and a general agreement with Cain.

[the last yatto]

the fragile nature of the molested killer with public outcry at most...
would net him a favourable jury
even tho they could find him innocent
my guess is that he will pled to a lesser charge...
say man slaughter and serve 6 months
maybe a free shrink job

as for the best punishment that would function as an alternative to murder;
id say the joker's cutting of the face has my vote

[Triple Zero]

If the government can whack an "alleged" terrorist, this is just the next logical step. 

But that was in a war zone and those cameras might have been RPGs!!

[Triple Zero]

if only you could go back in time and molest your murderer preemptively

What if it turned out that this was actually the case, in this story?

Who would have been will wrong, the molester or the murderer?

[Faust]

Also, our death row has a fair number of innocents, for all their careful justice.

That's why I had my doubts.
I'm completely against the death penalty but its easy for me to say that coming from a country that doesn't have/need it.
The reason I'd be against a first hand victim taking their own corrective measures on someone like this is that I don't think they as victims are getting the justice they deserve, if anything he is now both the victim of a child molester and a victim of his own suffering, allowing his pain to make him a murderer.

But thats less a moral issue and more one of legality.

No mater what the law of the land, rape is rape... but "murder" depends on what the society considers justified and unjustified.

Morality will always be more important then legality in my mind and I hate that there is such a distinction between the two.
I still feel the same, the victim let himself down by killing this guy, I also find it pretty disturbing that so many people here are calling for blood. Ugh...... I was sexually abused as a kid and it messed me up for a long long time, I got through all that. This guy Aaron Vargas has allowed this guy to influence his life even further which is depressing as hell, when he was a kid he lost some of his freedom to this guy, now he's lost even more to him by allowing him to be such a huge influence in his life.

[hooplala]

I guess the general consensus of this thread is that we should all just mete out justice any way we see fit, and to hell with the court system.  And yet, so many of these same people rail against anarchism.  Hmm.

[LMNO]

If I was going to be nice about it, I'd say that most people are admitting that they are monkeys and would react accordingly if their family was threatened.

If anything, it makes an incredibly good argument for courts of law....

[hooplala]

If I was going to be nice about it, I'd say that most people are admitting that they are monkeys and would react accordingly if their family was threatened.

If anything, it makes an incredibly good argument for courts of law....

Haha... true.

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I guess the general consensus of this thread is that we should all just mete out justice any way we see fit, and to hell with the court system.  And yet, so many of these same people rail against anarchism.  Hmm.

It's an interesting disconnect, I agree.

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Part of what makes this case so salient and problematic was that Vargas was abused from age 11 until 28.

I don't know how common that may be, but it seems unlikely to be a typical case of abuse.

It's hard to believe, but at the same time entirely possible knowing how depraved human beings can be.

It seems like discrete acts of abuse tend to be more forgivable and that people are more likely to recover from a single incident or small number of incidents than a long term horrorshow like this one.

I mean how many children does a molester get to abuse and for how long before it deserves death?

It sounds like most would say 1, and the minority would say there is no amount.

The chronic nature and corroborated accounts of this case makes it almost impossible not to be in favor of vigilante justice.

[LMNO]

Wait, what's it called when the kid is old enough to give consent? That's "just" coersion and rape, not child molestation, right?

Also, can we really call this guy a pedophile if he was interested in a 28-year-old guy?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Also, our death row has a fair number of innocents, for all their careful justice.

That's why I had my doubts.
I'm completely against the death penalty but its easy for me to say that coming from a country that doesn't have/need it.
The reason I'd be against a first hand victim taking their own corrective measures on someone like this is that I don't think they as victims are getting the justice they deserve, if anything he is now both the victim of a child molester and a victim of his own suffering, allowing his pain to make him a murderer.

But thats less a moral issue and more one of legality.

No mater what the law of the land, rape is rape... but "murder" depends on what the society considers justified and unjustified.

Morality will always be more important then legality in my mind and I hate that there is such a distinction between the two.
I still feel the same, the victim let himself down by killing this guy, I also find it pretty disturbing that so many people here are calling for blood. Ugh...... I was sexually abused as a kid and it messed me up for a long long time, I got through all that. This guy Aaron Vargas has allowed this guy to influence his life even further which is depressing as hell, when he was a kid he lost some of his freedom to this guy, now he's lost even more to him by allowing him to be such a huge influence in his life.

I was abused as well, and though I've gotten over it I can see how someone might react this way... especially once they have a child of their own.

I guess the general consensus of this thread is that we should all just mete out justice any way we see fit, and to hell with the court system.  And yet, so many of these same people rail against anarchism.  Hmm.

If I was going to be nice about it, I'd say that most people are admitting that they are monkeys and would react accordingly if their family was threatened.

If anything, it makes an incredibly good argument for courts of law....

Err, but hadn't the  law already failed in this instance? Abuse had been reported and apparently ignored.

[Cramulus]

I haven't found a really good citation about the police ignoring the abuse. I don't get the impression that Vargas told a lot of people what was going on. His parents, for example, said they were totally unaware of it.


I've started a new, related discussion about the nature of punishment.

[LMNO]

Err, but hadn't the  law already failed in this instance? Abuse had been reported and apparently ignored.

Rat, it amuses me that you are acting in a manner in which you are certain of the facts in this case.

[Triple Zero]

I guess the general consensus of this thread is that we should all just mete out justice any way we see fit, and to hell with the court system.  And yet, so many of these same people rail against anarchism.  Hmm.

I'm railing against anachronism, and just want the time travellers brought to justice before they start pentions all over space/time.