Unlimited Wikileaks Shenanigans

[The Johnny]

The whole deal with not wanting to be subject to others authority its called being anti-social or oppositional, which isn't the same thing as a sociopath, althought sociopaths usually are antisocial, it isn't the other way around always.

Then he goes on a jag about being so smart, which is again, narcissism, then some insults in german, perhaps a nazi wannabe, which fits with the deal of identification with the aggressor...

More rationalizations about stealing and anti social behavior... and he really seems to have been into Doom the game, lmao

[The Johnny]

Basicly what im seeing is a kid with anti-social tendencies in a hostile environment that pushed him too far.

A sociopath kills even when not under duress.

[Fujikoma]

That journal was icky. That kid had a lot of the wrong ideas in his head... You can't expect anyone to want to hang out with a person like that. I can empathize a bit, having experienced some of the more violent thoughts myself (rape was always wrong in my mind, as was racism, I was actually more hateful of my own race, than the African Americans, Asians and Latinos who would actually talk to me on a regular basis) when I was that age, but I pushed them aside and said "If I still feel like this in 5 or 20 years, maybe". Well, I'm here to say that I have learned a lot, and that humanity, for all its wickedness, is worthy of survival, not that I could put a dent in that if I wanted to. Someone needed to tell that prick that sometime, long ago, when people started forming villages, towns, cities, states, people in a sense brought up the console and spammed "IDKFA", and that base human nature has been obsolete for some time.

I noticed in the journal that the number of people he wanted to spare was going up, also, he expressed the need to "turn off" his empathy, which means the switch was in its default position to begin with. Could it possibly be the result of introducing potent and unpredictable anti-depressants to a developing mind? Maybe. Anyway, it's possible he was on the verge of abandoning the project entirely. I have to wonder how they got so many weapons without being questioned and discovered by whoever was buying them for them. I mean, he must have had some kind of charm to acquire them in that fashion, which doesn't seem likely, especially considering he likely REEKED of creepy, and part of my mind wonders if it wasn't part of some psyops to advance a political agenda, but I've been listening to Alex Jones too much lately, so that probably explains my paranoia.

A few of the things that tick me off are his inflated self opinion (but it seems to serve as a block of his low self esteem) and his obsession with Nazis. I suppose Nazis just appeal to some people, though I suppose their propaganda was rather well done and their uniforms had an unusual appeal. He just doesn't understand that he doesn't have the right to decide for anyone else but himself... I've made friends with incredibly creepy people over the course of my life, partly because I feel that if I don't step outside my comfort zone and take the time to get that train back on the rails, innocent people may pay for it later... I can't just watch that sort of thing happen and say "Oh well, not MY fault.". I can understand not everyone wanting to take such a risk, but I've got to put my money where my mouth is and solve what problems I can before they go boom, otherwise I'm just a hypocrite, and that I cannot allow myself to be, considering how much unfounded criticism of others I have engaged in in the past, and how much I continue to do.

Sorry for the long rant.

[Phox]

That journal was icky. That kid had a lot of the wrong ideas in his head... You can't expect anyone to want to hang out with a person like that. I can empathize a bit, having experienced some of the more violent thoughts myself (rape was always wrong in my mind, as was racism, I was actually more hateful of my own race, than the African Americans, Asians and Latinos who would actually talk to me on a regular basis) when I was that age, but I pushed them aside and said "If I still feel like this in 5 or 20 years, maybe". Well, I'm here to say that I have learned a lot, and that humanity, for all its wickedness, is worthy of survival, not that I could put a dent in that if I wanted to. Someone needed to tell that prick that sometime, long ago, when people started forming villages, towns, cities, states, people in a sense brought up the console and spammed "IDKFA", and that base human nature has been obsolete for some time.

I noticed in the journal that the number of people he wanted to spare was going up, also, he expressed the need to "turn off" his empathy, which means the switch was in its default position to begin with. Could it possibly be the result of introducing potent and unpredictable anti-depressants to a developing mind? Maybe. Anyway, it's possible he was on the verge of abandoning the project entirely. I have to wonder how they got so many weapons without being questioned and discovered by whoever was buying them for them. I mean, he must have had some kind of charm to acquire them in that fashion, which doesn't seem likely, especially considering he likely REEKED of creepy, and part of my mind wonders if it wasn't part of some psyops to advance a political agenda, but I've been listening to Alex Jones too much lately, so that probably explains my paranoia.

A few of the things that tick me off are his inflated self opinion (but it seems to serve as a block of his low self esteem) and his obsession with Nazis. I suppose Nazis just appeal to some people, though I suppose their propaganda was rather well done and their uniforms had an unusual appeal. He just doesn't understand that he doesn't have the right to decide for anyone else but himself... I've made friends with incredibly creepy people over the course of my life, partly because I feel that if I don't step outside my comfort zone and take the time to get that train back on the rails, innocent people may pay for it later... I can't just watch that sort of thing happen and say "Oh well, not MY fault.". I can understand not everyone wanting to take such a risk, but I've got to put my money where my mouth is and solve what problems I can before they go boom, otherwise I'm just a hypocrite, and that I cannot allow myself to be, considering how much unfounded criticism of others I have engaged in in the past, and how much I continue to do.

Sorry for the long rant.

What.

[BadBeast]

The Kid had issues, that much is obvious. But I think the major contributary factor here is the ease with which all that firepower was obtained. I'm all for private firearm ownership, especially seeing as here in the UK, (Legal) private gun ownership is practically impossible for anyone who isn't either a Farmer, or Landed Gentry. But there really shouldn't be such a culture of normality around them, that kids of that age can have their own Arsenal of Military hardware just hanging around like that. It seemed like it's easier to get as tooled up as the Taliban, than it is to get a couple of crates of underage Beer! Now that's not right, not even nearly right.

[Fujikoma]

Getting booze was easy for me at that age, I suppose back then it would have been easier to get weapons as well, before those two pulled that shit. They had to get someone to buy the guns, and I wonder why on earth anyone would do such a thing for them... I mean, red flags all over the place, they weren't as careful at hiding their intentions as the author of that journal would have liked to think, if some of the interviews I saw were any indication (then again, hindsight is always 20/20).

[BabylonHoruv]

The whole deal with not wanting to be subject to others authority its called being anti-social or oppositional, which isn't the same thing as a sociopath, althought sociopaths usually are antisocial, it isn't the other way around always.

Then he goes on a jag about being so smart, which is again, narcissism, then some insults in german, perhaps a nazi wannabe, which fits with the deal of identification with the aggressor...

More rationalizations about stealing and anti social behavior... and he really seems to have been into Doom the game, lmao

Sociopaths lack empathy.  Quite a few of them are actually socially fairly adept, they just fake their way through and mimic other people so that they don't stick out.

[Bruno]

I remember trying to build some explodeythangs when I was in my late teens. I was lucky none of the really dangerous ones worked too well. Like the coffee can full of ammonium nitrate and motor oil that I tried to light with a sparkler. The family size can of Final Net over a small bonfire, on the other hand, I would rate an A++.

The only really nefarious plan I can remember was in first grade, when I tried rubbing two pencils together to start a fire to burn the school down. That didn't work either.

Kids these days have Internet, which is just one big Anarchists' Cookbook, really.

[The Johnny]

The whole deal with not wanting to be subject to others authority its called being anti-social or oppositional, which isn't the same thing as a sociopath, althought sociopaths usually are antisocial, it isn't the other way around always.

Then he goes on a jag about being so smart, which is again, narcissism, then some insults in german, perhaps a nazi wannabe, which fits with the deal of identification with the aggressor...

More rationalizations about stealing and anti social behavior... and he really seems to have been into Doom the game, lmao

Sociopaths lack empathy.  Quite a few of them are actually socially fairly adept, they just fake their way through and mimic other people so that they don't stick out.

My point is:

antisocial =/= socialy inept =/= sociopath

[BadBeast]

I made lots of what you'd call I.E.Ds when I was a kid. Lightbulbs with petrol in were my favourites. In an upright Lamp. Then turn the electric on for a decent firebomb. Never actually set one up as a bomb though, only for my own amusement.
Camping Gas Cylinders, for those little one ring stoves go up nicely, if you gaffer tape a shotgun cartridge tightly to the side of it, wedge it in a hole in a wall, or in the fork of a tree, then back off a ways, and shoot the cap of the cartridge with a .22 Airgun. But the best Gas explosion I made was when I found a  small Portakabin, on a building site. That had seven big Bottles of Butane in. I turned all the valves ot the gas bottles to on, and lit a candle at the other end of the Cabin. Then shut the door and ran like fuck. Then I stopped, and hid behind some concrete pipes. I had just about given up on it working, when the whole thing blew itself sky high, with a huge fireball, and a bang that shook the teeth in my head. Fuck all left of the Cabin, it was matchwood. Pleased with that, I was.
But the most stupid one I did was filling up a biscuit tin with brass Hilti Gun caps. There must have been 3 or 4 hundred in there. Then I taped the lid on, and buried the tin underneath a huge November the Fifth Bonfire. (On about November the 1st) Then the fire got bigger as people brought up more wood, and even if I'd wanted to, I couldn't have retrieved the tin, because by bonfire night the fire must have been 25 or 30 feet high, and perhaps 20 feet diameter.  At least a couple of tons of wood on there too, Old Mattresses, Sofas, whatever would burn. So they lit it at about 7pm. Then spent until 9, doing the firework display. There were about 150, 200 people there, and I was feeling sick with anticipatory guilt at what I had spent 3 or 4 days convincing myself would be a bomb of epic magnitude, and when all the people were stood around the fire, eating hotdogs, and watching fireworks, I had visions of people being blown up as if the IRA had bombed the place. but it didn't go off until well after everyone had wandered away from the fire, and towards the Beer tent. But it blew a 2 foot crater in the ground when it did go, and just about finished the fire off.  More of a "Crump" than a boom though. I was so relieved nobody got killed or maimed, that I never made another bomb after that. But I had lots of good, healthy non-sociopathic fun while that phase lasted.   

[BabylonHoruv]

The whole deal with not wanting to be subject to others authority its called being anti-social or oppositional, which isn't the same thing as a sociopath, althought sociopaths usually are antisocial, it isn't the other way around always.

Then he goes on a jag about being so smart, which is again, narcissism, then some insults in german, perhaps a nazi wannabe, which fits with the deal of identification with the aggressor...

More rationalizations about stealing and anti social behavior... and he really seems to have been into Doom the game, lmao

Sociopaths lack empathy.  Quite a few of them are actually socially fairly adept, they just fake their way through and mimic other people so that they don't stick out.

My point is:

antisocial =/= socialy inept =/= sociopath

Yep, that was basically my point too.

[Triple Zero]

Most young men between the ages of say, 14, to 21 ish, go through a stage that can only be described as Sociopathic. Overwhelming feelings of Isolation, rebellion against whatever Authorative figures they encounter, Identification with the most oppositionally defiant role models available, extremely detailed and graphic fantasies about violence and killing--

Just wanted to confirm this. I know nothing about the Columbine shootings, but if you'd see the cartoons I drew in those years ... oh boy Teachers and sometimes fellow students mauled by chainsaws, complicated torture devices and, my favourite, radioactive waste as signified by colouring with a bright yellow or orange neon marker But it was cartoons, more like a gory version of looney tunes kind of thing with teachers in it. Never did I consider it as actual reality.

Dunno if that made me a sociopath back then, but I do know that I grew out of it :-P

[BadBeast]

Most young men between the ages of say, 14, to 21 ish, go through a stage that can only be described as Sociopathic. Overwhelming feelings of Isolation, rebellion against whatever Authorative figures they encounter, Identification with the most oppositionally defiant role models available, extremely detailed and graphic fantasies about violence and killing--

Just wanted to confirm this. I know nothing about the Columbine shootings, but if you'd see the cartoons I drew in those years ... oh boy Teachers and sometimes fellow students mauled by chainsaws, complicated torture devices and, my favourite, radioactive waste as signified by colouring with a bright yellow or orange neon marker But it was cartoons, more like a gory version of looney tunes kind of thing with teachers in it. Never did I consider it as actual reality.

Dunno if that made me a sociopath back then, but I do know that I grew out of it :-P

Yeah, that's the rub. People tend to grow out of it. But when these toxic phases are reinforced by an environment that exaggerates the worst of the symptoms,
as well as making available all the hardware to empower your maladjusted, antisocial, murderous rage to the nth degree,  then in all honesty I'm surprised this shit doesn't happen far more regularly. And it's testament to the resilience and fortitude of most of normal,  maladjusted, antisocial, raging American Youth that it doesn't happen like, every week!  Talk about triumph in the face of adversity!  We are all products of our respective environments, and American Youth, although privileged in many ways, has huge odds stacked against reaching mid twenties without getting scarred by the cultural cesspool that surrounds them.
(I'll shut up now, or I might rattle off on a long dreary rant or something)

[the last yatto]

cabbage, if your going to be paranoid your forgetting the two tinfoil hat moments here:

Who helped them carry in all those propane tanks
And why did cops shoot him then label it a suicide

[Fujikoma]

Also, how the hell do you hide propane tanks under desks and cafeteria tables?!