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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, December 29, 2009, 08:46:52 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#600
January 11, 2010, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on January 11, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2010, 08:13:04 PM
No, I'm pretty sure he's smarter than that.  I hope.



Also, Dildoes.

Hammer = tool
Wand = tool
Alphabet = tool
Computer = tool

This thread = Toolbox.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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The Good Reverend Roger

#601
January 11, 2010, 08:46:02 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

#602
January 11, 2010, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on January 11, 2010, 08:33:12 PM
jesus tittyfucking christ, Rat, you not only don't get it but you're quite fucking intent on NOT getting it.

fat lot of good breaking free of your religious chains did.

fucking dildoes.

I get the argument. I find it invalid.

Monkeys are dumb. Many monkeys believe some bullshit, think its real, identify their entire existence through those beliefs and if they're questioned (or if some other monkeys do it differently) there may be bloodshed.

However,  to me, that speaks far more to a flaw in the monkey.

Now, I have found 'magic"* to be a useful tool for me. You may not like it, it may not be useful for you... but its useful for me. I don't believe its 'real', I don't have to lie to myself about any aspect of it... and I don't give a fuck about the other monkeys, THEY are going to behave like monkeys, there is nothing I can do to stop a few million years of evolution. However, for me, myself, magic in various forms has been a great tool for remodeling my BiP. As such, I'll continue to use it when its useful, and not use it when its not useful.

In the end, and I know this is gonna get me ripped (but I'm saying it anyway). I don't think most people grok the heavy duty BiP remodel work that can be done... some people seem to confuse a new coat of paint or a new welcome mat (or a new toilet) as 'remodeling'. Whereas I'm talking about turning your BiP into a Yellow Submarine and taking a dive deep into the Sea of Human Consciousness. Maybe this is all bullshit, maybe I have completely deluded myself into thinking that my thinking now is less muddled than my thinking before. However, I do seem to be enjoying life far more now than ever in the past. Lies, truth models or reality... that's not shit compared to being happy. Or you can go drive on the Lost Highway, doesn't sound like the way I want to spend the rest of my time on this rock, but 'to each their own' said the old lady as she kissed the cow.

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A TOOL THAT REQUIRES A BELIEF SYSTEM TO BE EFFECTIVE ENGENDERS CIRCUIT 2 BEHAVIOR.

If it required a permanent belief system, that's certainly possible. However. it is not necessary. If the Belief System requires that your system is TRUE and all others are FALSE, then absolutely. However, MOST people that I'm aware of (even the dumb pagans that really, really believe), don't seem to think they're True and all others are False... rather most focus on UPG (Unverifiable Personal Gnosis).

And while specific systems like Wicca have fights about if you 'are' or 'are not' Wicca... that has more to do with 'shared experience' rather than Right vs Wrong.

Simply because SOME belief systems lead to territorial defense doesn't mean that ALL belief systems lead to territorial defense.

*as a generic encompassing term for the various models of 'metaprogramming' we've been discusssing


Oh, and DILDOES
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Kai

#603
January 11, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Holy shit I'm away from this thread for half a day and look what I miss.


When I started arguing in here, it was against the statement "the scientific method is flawed".

I still can't find any flaw in it.

Also, I'd like people to tell me how it is possible  to confidently test a hypothesis that is not falsifiable.
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BabylonHoruv

#604
January 11, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: Kai on January 11, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Holy shit I'm away from this thread for half a day and look what I miss.


When I started arguing in here, it was against the statement "the scientific method is flawed".

I still can't find any flaw in it.

Also, I'd like people to tell me how it is possible  to confidently test a hypothesis that is not falsifiable.

I believe there was a confusion between the words incomplete and flawed.  I may be wrong.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#605
January 11, 2010, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: Kai on January 11, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Holy shit I'm away from this thread for half a day and look what I miss.


When I started arguing in here, it was against the statement "the scientific method is flawed".

I still can't find any flaw in it.

Also, I'd like people to tell me how it is possible  to confidently test a hypothesis that is not falsifiable.

I think it involves funny hats.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#606
January 11, 2010, 09:02:39 PM
Did you know:  There are 16562 other threads in this forum, many of which are not dildoes.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Shai Hulud

#607
January 11, 2010, 09:12:09 PM Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 09:15:32 PM by Guy Incognito
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 09:02:39 PM
many of which are not dildoes.

I find that rather hard to believe. [But at least it's a testable hypothesis.]

P3nT4gR4m

#608
January 11, 2010, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: Kai on January 11, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Holy shit I'm away from this thread for half a day and look what I miss.


When I started arguing in here, it was against the statement "the scientific method is flawed".

I still can't find any flaw in it.

Also, I'd like people to tell me how it is possible  to confidently test a hypothesis that is not falsifiable.

I'll give you a flaw - Science is much more dangerous that "magic".

To the nth degree.

Science has so far provided the arrow, the gun, the tank, the fire and forget missile and nuclear warheads to idiot fucking monkeys. Hustle accuses magic of giving a hand grenade to a monkey. Bullshit! Science gave the monkey the hand grenade. All magic ever did in the wrong hands was reduce the monkey to a gibbering wreck and/or wear dumb hats.

You wanna talk about banning practices to save humanity? Fine. Let's start with the really dangerous ones - lets start with Science.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#609
January 11, 2010, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 11, 2010, 09:14:42 PM
Science has so far provided the arrow, the gun, the tank, the fire and forget missile and nuclear warheads to idiot fucking monkeys.

And pennicillin, electric light, aspirin, this computer, and the strap on dildo that is this thread.

Right.

Kill science.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

P3nT4gR4m

#610
January 11, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Prove magic didn't assist in the creation of all those things.

Use science to do so.

... okay I'm trolling now. I'll stop :oops:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

The Good Reverend Roger

#611
January 11, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 11, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Prove magic didn't assist in the creation of all those things.

Use science to do so.

... okay I'm trolling now. I'll stop :oops:

This thread is killing PD.  Also, it made my sammich go stale.  :crankey:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

NotPublished

#612
January 11, 2010, 09:20:30 PM
 :?
In Soviet Russia, sins died for Jesus.

The Good Reverend Roger

#613
January 11, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
This thread gave me the clap.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

NotPublished

#614
January 11, 2010, 09:25:35 PM
Eating cereal usually solves that
In Soviet Russia, sins died for Jesus.
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