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Apple Talk / Re: UNLIMITED Wizard Joseph Garbage Collection Thread.
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:49:38 pm »
It's a repository. For you!

Look up some of the others, they're fun reading.
Hey I have a question for you about something in another thread I didn't want to spag up, may I use your fancy thread here for that?

Yeah sure.  That sounds like a perfectly good use for this.  Welcome to my landfill, pull up a used milk crate and fire away! 

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Apple Talk / Re: UNLIMITED Wizard Joseph Garbage Collection Thread.
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:21:01 pm »
I've decided that as a way to keep my more wordy crap off the threads I'll use this one. 
It was gonna be my garbage anyway.
I'll just post a quote from what I'm looking at and comment to my hearts content here, that way I won't step on toes and IF someone wants to hear my crap from the rest of the forum they'll find it here. 
I apologize to those I've snapped at and for jumping blind into these forums without understanding the etiquette and problems of the place.
I do love and think I understand Discordianism, but know that I'm still learning.

Holyshit dude. You may be the first spag ever to turn around an UNLIMITED thread. That your attempting it is epic.

I gotta say. I'm slightly impressed.

And so far, he's been as good as his word.  I haven't had to move any of his regular posts here.

Weird... It's like I'm some kind of chosen one or something.  Do any of youall get this kind of vibe?  It's all tingly.... :magick:

No but really, I came here to play ball, and it's not like I'm gonna do that effectively by being persistently a jerk.
You can expect me to hold to my word on almost all occasions..
Got a much rougher start here than I bargained for, but... eh!  
It wasn't easy stealing the "The" on my name either...

And I did turn this thread around...  the effects just need to develop.  
I'll also probably just outright link to and review posts that may not really require a bump to say something.
Pretty busy right now tho.

Also.. what is an unlimited thread technically?

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Apple Talk / Re: UNLIMITED Wizard Joseph Garbage Collection Thread.
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:20:05 pm »
Just read from the start. You also poked Roger.

Don't poke Roger.

IT'S IMPOLITE TO POKE DEAD PEOPLE.

BUT IT IS A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE TO POKE ROGER, IF YOU PASS HIM IN THE ROAD.

EXPLAIN THAT, DOKTOR.

NO, IT IS A RELIGIOUS IMPERATIVE TO CRAP ON HIS GRAVE.  WE ONLY TELL PEOPLE THE POKING BIT FOR OUR OWN SICK AMUSEMENT.

"BOMBS AWAY, SWEET PRINCE" HE CRIED TO HIS FALLEN COMRADE AS, KECKS AROUND HIS ANKLES, HE SQUATTED OVER THE MOUND OF FRESHLY TURNED (THOUGH DUSTY AND ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE, ENTIRELY LIFELESS) ARIZONA EARTH.

FOR IT IS HOW HE WOULD HAVE WANTED IT. WROTE IT IN HIS WILL.

Fixed.

I have to change my avatar again. For I have just noted that the board is without its spiritual advisor and I am therefore (probably) responsible for all the bullshit in recent weeks.

Probably, but we're gonna blame Sister Gothique anyway.

Well she DID have to "Move Away" from Tucson. No wonder things are fucked up everywhere.

Well she DID have to "Move Away" from Tucson. No wonder things are fucked up everywhere.

She was brought low by a pretty boy.  This is not uncommon for her.  However, what IS uncommon is that she chose to move - for reasons even she can't explain - to North Carolina, where the ticks have first names.  It's kind of like that Persephone chick, only she doesn't come back for half the year.

Legend has it that a hero can bring her back, as long as he doesn't eat any fried foods while in NC or look back on his way up the jetway in Tucson.

It sounds like a mission for a Holy ManTM

Unfortunately, I'm too busy cleaning up that fucking mess you and Nigel left in the ancient Mayan temples in Siberia.

That was her idea.  She's all like "The line is too long", and I'm like "What are you gonna do about it?", and she's all like "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR!" and then there was squishy noises and something that sounded like a giant ratchet, and the blood went UP the pyramid, and I said "Haven't you got that backwards?", and she says "WHAT NOW, BITCH?"

Nigel is a terrible thing to happen to anyone, but at least with her, you don't have to wait in line at tourist attractions.

Perfect for when you travel to exotic lands, if they would let her through customs...

The customs guys tried to stop her, but she smiled at them and they all wandered off and fed themselves through the underside of the luggage conveyor.  They didn't even scream.  It was awful.

The customs guys tried to stop her, but she smiled at them and they all wandered off and fed themselves through the underside of the luggage conveyor.  They didn't even scream.  It was awful.

I heard that Squiddy learned that smile. I hear she used it down in Swampland in 2000 on some convention for people called Chad.

:spittake:

 :lulz:  Whew!  That's awesome, it's got Terror!   Adventure!   Romance!   and....   a dollop of spiritual consideration...  WOW.  I'm pretty sure you guys weren't even really letting go...   Good show!

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Apple Talk / Re: UNLIMITED Wizard Joseph Garbage Collection Thread.
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:18:34 pm »

Wordy is fine. Wordy is good.

Tldr means too long, didn't read. It's good to write tldr and an overview of the bigger writing under it for people who get overwhelmed.

Some of your comments cover previously covered ground, but apart from that I like your comments and I think you're a worthwhile contributor.

Just read from the start. You also poked Roger.

Don't poke Roger.

I'm gonna try to be worthy. sometimes.   Thank you! :)
I'm not really from around these parts and figure reinventing the wheel is gonna be a hobby of mine on occasion.
I really am still new to forums.  You all were my first!  :argh!:

So TLDR is like a summary placed above the word festival for those less inclined to read the whole thing?

I did not really understand the maginiude of the consequences for poking Roger/Howl.
I consider him an important part of the learning curve here and a darwinian force for..  uh.. things and BOOM and stuff.

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Apple Talk / Re: UNLIMITED Wizard Joseph Garbage Collection Thread.
« on: July 25, 2011, 08:36:51 pm »
Wow, so I go away for a few moments and it's all crazy like..   :p

Proper(ish) replies in a bit.

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Or Kill Me / Re: It's fucking ABSURD.
« on: July 25, 2011, 03:40:16 am »
   :mittens: Right on!



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Or Kill Me / Re: Of the war
« on: July 25, 2011, 03:06:20 am »
 :mittens: 

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Apple Talk / Re: I just banned the Chicken
« on: July 25, 2011, 01:22:36 am »
Just because you label yourself "discordian" doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.

Threats and people's children should be off the fucking table, IMO unless you're really fucking familiar and intimate with the target and can make those kinds of jokes without being a cockgobbling turkey neck.

The "threat" there was vague, too.

Just a PM saying "Kids?"

Sorry, but that was enough for me.

Yeah, that's not ok.  Not like it was time for you to sit and chat about your personal lives. I'd feel threatened considering some of the stuff said & consider playing spot the chicken.

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Apple Talk / Re: I just banned the Chicken
« on: July 25, 2011, 12:49:22 am »
Everyone is free in discordia. Say what you want. So will everyone else. Doesn't mean it will be pleasant.

In fact MY discordia often involves diving headfirst into unpleasantness.


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It' s not like the majority of folks even know
about Discordianism at all .

And just how would YOU sell it to them?

The same way I plan to sell sex products.  The product sells it's self to the right kind of person. 
The trick is introducing the possibility and keywords in memorable fashion. 
My web site is intended to make Eris a better known name and tie it to sexuality.
So will my advertisements. 
The people that like will buy and the really smart ones will question once exposed to my mutated mythology. 
It would be nice to send questioners about such subjects to decent sources of information. 
Of course my stuff is not about Discordianism exclusively, and I just feel I've said enough about my stuff for now.

Ant I totally agree about the "diving in."  Best to be ready to swim tho.

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Apple Talk / Re: I just banned the Chicken
« on: July 24, 2011, 10:55:51 pm »
I have been paying attention and see no threats in the threads either.  
Not here to stick up for chicken, but there's a lot of crap on these threads with or without him.
If his crap was threatening in private I will, of course, take your word.  
That said, all I saw was rather ironic poo slinging on many threads that just would not stop.  
The thread "new people should probably read this" now seems to me more like an object warning than guidance for noobs.
I won't miss him, and I begin to wonder if the "You're free to say whatever you want 'cuz it's Discordiatm" idea on this forum is even functional or useful.
It's not like the majority of folks even know about Discordianism at all.
If they come here looking for the fun and intriguing ideas they may have been exposed to I think they may find the crapsplatter everywhere discouraging in the extreme.
Does this forum have a purpose?
If so, is that purpose served by your leadership personalities profusely fighting with what they see clearly as a moron?
If not, why continue it without a purpose?
I'm very sincere about this because I think there's more potential in Discordia than is currently being felt by the world.
If some of the folks here really want positive change from their efforts you need a greater purpose for people to focus on so that the unnecessary interpersonal conflicts can be either avoided or re-directed to constructive efforts.
With respect are you folks really in this for Science or what(ever)?

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Tentacalium is my favorite mutant atom.

All these "mutant atoms" exist in nature somewhere, just not for very long. They don't last very long in the lab either.


We have produced compounds and even mutant atoms that nature would never have developed without humanity.

"Mutant atoms" (by which I'm assuming you mean the superheavy artificial elements) all have ridiculously short half-lives.  They aren't in our environment.

Actually talking about the uranium, plutonium, strontium, iodine, xenon, tritium, and other "daughter products" of nuclear fuel reactions.  Some of these DO have a short half life, but an atom does not become suddenly stable just because it's had a decay event happen.  It usually turns into another atom that is also unstable.

I'm not here to say I know a lot of Blah blah blah or not.

Here is IMHO a good homework reference if you want to know what's up in Japan and learn about nuclear fuel contamination.

http://www.fairewinds.com/

There are, of course, many other sources. These folks seem most sincere and competent to me out of the many, many I've looked into since March.


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Well, it's more like our grandkids are pretty much screwed. It's doubtful that we'll live long enough to see the climate change hit the "irreversible and totally catastrophic to human life" point.



I think we will see it.  The problem is not mere climate change in the "carbon = bad" sense.  It seems to me that recent volcanic activity has far outstripped our industrial activities in that kind of output.  I do not claim to know WHY the climate is changing, but it obviously is, and quickly.

The slow poison released by human industry will bring the human catastrophes.  We have produced compounds and even mutant atoms that nature would never have developed without humanity.  They are part of the systems on this planet now whether or not their introduction was accidental, planned, or incidental.  The impact of these substances is often subtle, but can be dramatic over time.  It is our poisons and the synergistic effect of natural and man made disasters that will bring us down, I think.  I also think some of will adapt in unexpected ways, but that's more of a faith statement.

I hate it when people who know exactly fuck-all about the subject feel the need to throw their two cents in.

Your opinion has been noted and given all the consideration that it merits.

Now, if you want to deal in FACTS rather than your half-baked ill-informed opinions, it's pretty evident given the current data that if something pretty drastic doesn't change in the way our energy economy works, we (that's humans, not volcanoes) will cause atmospheric CO2 levels to rise above 600ppm sometime around the turn of the century. All current scientific models point to 600ppm as being the threshold after which climate change will become a self-sustaining feedback loop ultimately causing an anoxic event to occur in the world ocean and more than likely causing a mass extinction on the level of the Permian-Triassic extinction.

You're right, I'm not totally informed. 
I only seems to me that the changes we WILL face are made much worse by our other forms of waste. 
I think CO2 is a major factor, and I don't know much about this 600ppm feedback and anoxic event you're talking about. 
I'll look into it as well as I can before giving an opinion again. 
Does this data and model you mention indicate increasing weather severity and extraordinary pattern change before the threshold is reached?

You THINK CO2 is a major factor. As in, it could be but I don't really have planetary evidence except maybe you know, VENUS.

Humans are freeing a fuckload of insulating gas into the atmosphere, carbon that has been sequestered for the past 300 million years in rock. This is significantly elevated CO2 levels we're talking about here, carbon that died, flattened beneath rock and would have fucking stayed there if humans hadn't dug it up and started burning it. Carbon dioxide becomes a weak acid, carbonic acid, when in contact with water; so higher levels of CO2 means more acidic water. Hm...I wonder why coral reefs are doing so badly? Oh RIGHT, they're made of fucking BASES. In addition, increased CO2 levels (and this has been shown experimentally) causes increased photosynthesis. Which isn't such a big problem on land, but in water you'll get huge algal blooms, often toxic. Which then seasonally die off, which is where the real problem comes in. Everything gets eaten, yes? Well, all that plant matter gets chowed on by oxygenic bacteria, until the oxygen is depleted (at which point the ocean is essentially dead), and then the anaerobic bacteria start in, with the waste product of sulfur rich gasses. Join that to increased sea level from melting of continental ice caps (mostly Greenland and Antarctica), and other possible suck in the form of shifting climatic patterns, and you've got a whole pile of oh my fucking god just kill me already.

And if you think about it enough, you'll become enlightened, by which I mean, committed.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:lol:
The reasoning behind my uncertainty revolves around the money involved on both sides of the coin.  The status quo is worth a lot to the folks on it's current receiving end.  The potential cash and global financial influence available to the folks pushing for carbon taxes is on the other side.  I am quite sure the path we're on is ultimately destructive and the carbon and other emissions need to drop, but I'm skeptical of the motives behind the policies that may be  implemented. Power and money tend to make folks drop objectivity.  

The truth of the matter is something I don't know yet, but when I am convinced of a way forward that will not get us all dead unto the last monkey I'll be REALLY committed. Maybe. No promises.   :)

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IIRC (and I'm not 100% sure I remember this correctly off the top of my head) we'll start to see some pretty drastic changes at or around 450-500ppm. Hypercanes are a distinct likelihood, as is massive desertification of arable land.

Thanks!  I'll do more research before I try to say something meaningfully relevant, but what I've found so far rules out the volcano crap.  Seems like the flight problems caused by some may have actually reduced the overall emission for a bit by grounding the planes.

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Well, it's more like our grandkids are pretty much screwed. It's doubtful that we'll live long enough to see the climate change hit the "irreversible and totally catastrophic to human life" point.



I think we will see it.  The problem is not mere climate change in the "carbon = bad" sense.  It seems to me that recent volcanic activity has far outstripped our industrial activities in that kind of output.  I do not claim to know WHY the climate is changing, but it obviously is, and quickly.

The slow poison released by human industry will bring the human catastrophes.  We have produced compounds and even mutant atoms that nature would never have developed without humanity.  They are part of the systems on this planet now whether or not their introduction was accidental, planned, or incidental.  The impact of these substances is often subtle, but can be dramatic over time.  It is our poisons and the synergistic effect of natural and man made disasters that will bring us down, I think.  I also think some of will adapt in unexpected ways, but that's more of a faith statement.

I hate it when people who know exactly fuck-all about the subject feel the need to throw their two cents in.

Your opinion has been noted and given all the consideration that it merits.

Now, if you want to deal in FACTS rather than your half-baked ill-informed opinions, it's pretty evident given the current data that if something pretty drastic doesn't change in the way our energy economy works, we (that's humans, not volcanoes) will cause atmospheric CO2 levels to rise above 600ppm sometime around the turn of the century. All current scientific models point to 600ppm as being the threshold after which climate change will become a self-sustaining feedback loop ultimately causing an anoxic event to occur in the world ocean and more than likely causing a mass extinction on the level of the Permian-Triassic extinction.

You're right, I'm not totally informed. 
I only seems to me that the changes we WILL face are made much worse by our other forms of waste. 
I think CO2 is a major factor, and I don't know much about this 600ppm feedback and anoxic event you're talking about. 
I'll look into it as well as I can before giving an opinion again. 
Does this data and model you mention indicate increasing weather severity and extraordinary pattern change before the threshold is reached?

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Or Kill Me / Re: Are YOU on the PATH? I hope not.
« on: July 19, 2011, 06:11:31 pm »
Not sure where I read this story, but it stuck.

Student: Master, what is the key to attaining enlightenment?

Master: Awareness.

Student: Could you expand on that a little?

Master: Awareness awareness awareness.

The thrust of the idea was that being aware of the self and it's reactions to an outside world you are also sharply aware of can allow a person to simply choose to be happy, swift, flexible, or whatever even when sad, alone, scared, or any other "negative" state.
(or vice versa)
This chosen feeling is felt simultaneously with the illusion from the outside. 
It is no less an illusion, but realizing the non-reality of these perceptions can allow the mind to choose reactions spontaneously or with deliberation.
 
To me this personal control/letting go is the fruit of simply being mindful at all times while not bothering to react if you see no point.
Of course, once you have consumed the fruit, the fruit is part of you and no longer an object to look at and (inadequately) describe.

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