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Core Themes of Discordia
« on: May 22, 2007, 05:39:13 pm »
I decided to split off the "enough" thread to address this--

All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

What other things do you think are part of Discord's "core themes"?

High Madness / Weirdness has been mentioned.


I ask because when it comes time to rewrite the book on Discordia, it'd be nice to have a sort of checklist of what should be included.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 05:56:32 pm »
Discordia is about being a movement, rather than being a part of a movement.

Discordia is about swimming with or against the shoal, depending on your whim and, maybe, the proximity of the nearest shark.

Discordia is about discord, for the hell of it, if you wanna.

But that's just anarchy. Pure, survival of the nastiest, anarchy.

It's discordians that make it what it is.

Discordia is about not being a discordian.

The name is not a definition, rather it's a statement.

"I am not definable. You cannot tell what I am by the word you would use to describe me. I do not fit in a box that small. I think and do the things I think and do, more by conscious decision than programmed response, a lot more than people who I would not describe as discordian."

I met these people through discordia (bitch with an apple brung 'em to me)

I'm Cybin and I am not a discordian.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2007, 05:58:15 pm »
dude! memetic mitten bombs!

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2007, 06:05:36 pm »
Discordia is about swimming with or against the shoal, depending on your whim and, maybe, the proximity of the nearest shark.

reminds me of one of those meme bombs "society is a sewer, learn to swim" or something
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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 06:09:35 pm »
Play
Chance
Disorder
Decentralized
Creation
Satire
Irony
Indeterminacy
Meta metaphysics

Come to mind.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 06:11:51 pm »
what about

Chaos is a balance between Order and Disorder. Discordians seek balance. In present times, there is too much Order, so Discordians try to sow Disorder.

(tangent for the History of Discordia booklet: in what period of history would Discordians instigate Order rather than Disorder?)

Discordia, as a religion, is about coming up with your own answers about god, fate, the universe, and morality, rather than just adopting someone else's framework wholesale. In that, it does not exist on the same continuum as deity worship, agnosticism, and atheism.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2007, 09:09:23 pm »
(tangent for the History of Discordia booklet: in what period of history would Discordians instigate Order rather than Disorder?)

Genghis Khan could be called a discordian in this sense.  When the norm for northeast Asia was warring nomadic tribes, he sought to unite under a common tribe, so food, and  basic necessities were more easily available, as well as increased defenses, etc.
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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 09:25:23 pm »
what about

Chaos is a balance between Order and Disorder. Discordians seek balance. In present times, there is too much Order, so Discordians try to sow Disorder.

(tangent for the History of Discordia booklet: in what period of history would Discordians instigate Order rather than Disorder?)

Discordia, as a religion, is about coming up with your own answers about god, fate, the universe, and morality, rather than just adopting someone else's framework wholesale. In that, it does not exist on the same continuum as deity worship, agnosticism, and atheism.

#1 needs to be fleshed out more.  Remember the distinctions of creative vs. destructive order and creative vs. destructive disorder. 

#2 is great if you lose the "religion" word. 
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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2007, 09:33:24 pm »

what about


Discordia, as a religion, is about coming up with your own answers about god, fate, the universe, and morality, rather than just adopting someone else's framework wholesale. In that, it does not exist on the same continuum as deity worship, agnosticism, and atheism.


#2 is great if you lose the "religion" word. 


What else, then? I'm not trying to say that Discordia is a religion, as it's a religion to some people who follow it but not to others. But for those that do follow it as a religion, I want to make a distinction between Discordia's eclectic attitude, and that of "Discordians worship the Goddess Eris."

as we've said before, this is one of those things that's hard to crystallize because no one agrees on what Discordia is.

Maybe the following paragraph would contrast:

Discordia, as a philosophy, is about coming up with your own answers about god, fate, the universe, and morality, rather than just adopting an existing framework wholesale. In that, it does not exist on the same continuum as modernism, post-modernism, etc

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 09:41:22 pm »
works for me.  That's how I think of it, as a philosophy.  Religion entails deities and such and I think any actual worship of Eris is kind of silly.  But again, that's just my personal opinion on it.  Others are welcome to have theirs.

And as far as defining Discordia, I'm not sure you can ever really crystalize it in any really compact way.  I think the whole "think for yourself schmuck" kind of works against that.  Unless of course, all of the schmucks share the same thoughts. 
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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 10:05:52 pm »
If you want to know what discordia is then ffs don't ask.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2007, 06:58:04 am »
(tangent for the History of Discordia booklet: in what period of history would Discordians instigate Order rather than Disorder?)

Genghis Khan could be called a discordian in this sense.  When the norm for northeast Asia was warring nomadic tribes, he sought to unite under a common tribe, so food, and  basic necessities were more easily available, as well as increased defenses, etc.

Also, I don't remember if it was Genghis Khan, but I think it was... One of those crazy warlord fellows used to stack up the severed heads of his enemies into pyramids. Once the heads began to decompose, the decomposition process would cause them to glow in the dark.

Thus, huge glowing pyramids of heads. HUGE GLOWING PYRAMIDS OF HEADS!

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2007, 07:25:29 am »
If your huge pyramid of heads doesn't glow you've did it wrong.
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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2007, 09:51:49 am »
(tangent for the History of Discordia booklet: in what period of history would Discordians instigate Order rather than Disorder?)

Genghis Khan could be called a discordian in this sense.  When the norm for northeast Asia was warring nomadic tribes, he sought to unite under a common tribe, so food, and  basic necessities were more easily available, as well as increased defenses, etc.

But isn't unification trying to impose a consensus and so part of the Aneristic delusion?

I mean sure, as a Mongol, I probably would have signed up for the pillaging and looting too, but I'd just as likely try to kill the Khan in his sleep.  And unlike another certain group of proto-Discordians, I wouldn't merely fuck up and kill his sons instead.

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Re: Core Themes of Discordia
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2007, 10:35:53 am »
But isn't unification trying to impose a consensus and so part of the Aneristic delusion?

I thought that was the intended scope of the question.  To show a happenstance of a perceived lack of order, within which, by the introduction of aneristic principles, a better state of being was reached, is how I understood the question.
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