Yet another healthcare topic

[Triple Zero]

Then you misunderstand my political stance. The corporations are worse than the government generally speaking. Oddly enough, I hope that the health care bill becomes law, now that its passed. I have no illusions that we will ever vote in someone who will remove taxes and replace it with some better solution. Personally, I find the idea that some group of people have the right to tell me what to do is silly. However, in this world of talking monkeys, the tribal hierarchy is not about to disappear. So if the big monkeys in Washington are going to take our money, I think health care is a great place for that money to go. In fact, the health care issue is one of the biggest reasons I voted for Obama. (The fact that I would die before helping Sarah Palin get anywhere near the White House was a close second).

who's the monkey now?

you're not making any sense. there is a difference between taking money and redistributing it for the greater good (socialism) and taking money and keeping it to yourself (theft).

the fact that your corporations and politicians fill their fat pockets with a large chunk of that money can be called theft, and that is your problem. taxation itself, however is not.

you will always have to contribute to the greater good, Ratatosk. in one way or another, on one scale or another. we are in fact tribal monkeys and hardly anyone can survive compeltely on their own without being a leech upon others.

you see this in any community. everybody contributes. in your household, you do chores, right? sometimes it's with goods and services, but on a larger scale it's way more efficient to do it with money.

with your household chores, you have the same choice. you cannot tell Sjaantze "nuh-uh I wont do the dishes" and expect to live comfortably in your house. in the same sense you cannot tell the government elected by the people "nuh-uh I wont pay my taxes" and expect all these public services and infrastructure and things.
and similarly, you have a choice to break up with Sjaantze and move out, like you have a choice to stop being a US citizen and/or emigrate.

so carrying your simile further, you and Sjaantze are both just as much a slave of the household system you have agreed upon to have clean clothes and dishes and vacuumed rooms, and this system is just as much a horrible thief of your valuable free time and of course the household money you are forced to spend in order to have food and cleaning products.

if you want to call that theft and/or slavery you remind me a littlebit of Calvin calling his dad a horrible tyrant for making him clean his room ...

[LMNO]

MY DISHWASHER IS FULL OF NAZIS!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Then you misunderstand my political stance. The corporations are worse than the government generally speaking. Oddly enough, I hope that the health care bill becomes law, now that its passed. I have no illusions that we will ever vote in someone who will remove taxes and replace it with some better solution. Personally, I find the idea that some group of people have the right to tell me what to do is silly. However, in this world of talking monkeys, the tribal hierarchy is not about to disappear. So if the big monkeys in Washington are going to take our money, I think health care is a great place for that money to go. In fact, the health care issue is one of the biggest reasons I voted for Obama. (The fact that I would die before helping Sarah Palin get anywhere near the White House was a close second).

who's the monkey now?

you're not making any sense. there is a difference between taking money and redistributing it for the greater good (socialism) and taking money and keeping it to yourself (theft).

the fact that your corporations and politicians fill their fat pockets with a large chunk of that money can be called theft, and that is your problem. taxation itself, however is not.

you will always have to contribute to the greater good, Ratatosk. in one way or another, on one scale or another. we are in fact tribal monkeys and hardly anyone can survive compeltely on their own without being a leech upon others.

you see this in any community. everybody contributes. in your household, you do chores, right? sometimes it's with goods and services, but on a larger scale it's way more efficient to do it with money.

with your household chores, you have the same choice. you cannot tell Sjaantze "nuh-uh I wont do the dishes" and expect to live comfortably in your house. in the same sense you cannot tell the government elected by the people "nuh-uh I wont pay my taxes" and expect all these public services and infrastructure and things.
and similarly, you have a choice to break up with Sjaantze and move out, like you have a choice to stop being a US citizen and/or emigrate.

so carrying your simile further, you and Sjaantze are both just as much a slave of the household system you have agreed upon to have clean clothes and dishes and vacuumed rooms, and this system is just as much a horrible thief of your valuable free time and of course the household money you are forced to spend in order to have food and cleaning products.

if you want to call that theft and/or slavery you remind me a littlebit of Calvin calling his dad a horrible tyrant for making him clean his room ...

Perhaps I should have called it a 'necessary form of slavery' in order to clear up the misconception that I am trying to avoid taxation, not pay my fair share or otherwise am a Teabagger.

Hell, personally, I find any for of government to be an imposition on liberty, but as we live in a universe of monkeys, I understand the necessity of it... Rational anarchism and all that

[East Coast Hustle]

I believe that TripZip has won the thread.

[East Coast Hustle]

Then you misunderstand my political stance. The corporations are worse than the government generally speaking. Oddly enough, I hope that the health care bill becomes law, now that its passed. I have no illusions that we will ever vote in someone who will remove taxes and replace it with some better solution. Personally, I find the idea that some group of people have the right to tell me what to do is silly. However, in this world of talking monkeys, the tribal hierarchy is not about to disappear. So if the big monkeys in Washington are going to take our money, I think health care is a great place for that money to go. In fact, the health care issue is one of the biggest reasons I voted for Obama. (The fact that I would die before helping Sarah Palin get anywhere near the White House was a close second).

who's the monkey now?

you're not making any sense. there is a difference between taking money and redistributing it for the greater good (socialism) and taking money and keeping it to yourself (theft).

the fact that your corporations and politicians fill their fat pockets with a large chunk of that money can be called theft, and that is your problem. taxation itself, however is not.

you will always have to contribute to the greater good, Ratatosk. in one way or another, on one scale or another. we are in fact tribal monkeys and hardly anyone can survive compeltely on their own without being a leech upon others.

you see this in any community. everybody contributes. in your household, you do chores, right? sometimes it's with goods and services, but on a larger scale it's way more efficient to do it with money.

with your household chores, you have the same choice. you cannot tell Sjaantze "nuh-uh I wont do the dishes" and expect to live comfortably in your house. in the same sense you cannot tell the government elected by the people "nuh-uh I wont pay my taxes" and expect all these public services and infrastructure and things.
and similarly, you have a choice to break up with Sjaantze and move out, like you have a choice to stop being a US citizen and/or emigrate.

so carrying your simile further, you and Sjaantze are both just as much a slave of the household system you have agreed upon to have clean clothes and dishes and vacuumed rooms, and this system is just as much a horrible thief of your valuable free time and of course the household money you are forced to spend in order to have food and cleaning products.

if you want to call that theft and/or slavery you remind me a littlebit of Calvin calling his dad a horrible tyrant for making him clean his room ...

Perhaps I should have called it a 'necessary form of slavery' in order to clear up the misconception that I am trying to avoid taxation, not pay my fair share or otherwise am a Teabagger.

Hell, personally, I find any for of government to be an imposition on liberty, but as we live in a universe of monkeys, I understand the necessity of it... Rational anarchism and all that

perhaps you should stop digging your heels in and call it something other than "slavery", since it is not slavery in any way, shape, or form.

[Doktor Howl]

I believe that TripZip has won the thread.

Seconded.

[MMIX]

thirded

[Cain]

Fourthed

[Doktor Howl]

perhaps you should stop digging your heels in and call it something other than "slavery", since it is not slavery in any way, shape, or form.

That would require rationalism, which seems to mean something different than "rational anarchism", as anyone who knows that they're on a planet full of monkeys will realize that there's nothing rational about anarchy.

[Freeky]

TripZip = 

Ratatosk =

[Triple Zero]

MY DISHWASHER IS FULL OF NAZIS!

Perhaps I should have called it a 'necessary form of slavery' in order to clear up the misconception that I am trying to avoid taxation, not pay my fair share

Then you are like Calvin calling his dad a horrible, but necessary tyrant, while claiming he is using the word in its literal common usage of the term.

Okay, there are degrees in childishness, I suppose.

[Suu]

I'm actually pretty glad the bill passed. Not just for my own health needs, but also because every single one of my Republican buddies just de-friended me on Facebook. 

[Triple Zero]

FWIW, I'm also glad for all you guys that your bill passed. Hope you really get something resembling decent healthcare soon!

[Freeky]

Hoshit, a healthcare bill passed? Did not hear; wasn't paying attention.

[Cain]

Obama needs to sign it, and it needs to go to the Senate.