Prison Bans Books and Disco Pickle Learns a Lesson

[Adios]

Stopped right there. For this reason, your opinion cannot be taken seriously. Them's the breaks.

then please, tell me all you know of causality and how it relates to humans and their actions, their election of lawmakers, and the enforcement and adjudication of laws in this country.  

I'd like just one example of a human doing something that could be ever be thought of as being "random"

If that sounds dickish, it's not intended.  I really am learning from you guys.  I'm not just some "right wing nutjob" as the good Rev. insists.

Causality? Whatcha want? Deontological philosophy? Sorry, I've seen enough to figure out that there isn't a grand set of rules to follow in terms of human behavior. Predictable patterns of behavior don't exist, because if they did, deviations would be far rarer and there wouldn't be so many variables that affect it. As for the election of lawmakers and the enforcement and adjudication of laws in this country? Fuck, I could pay off the cops in this town with what's in my pocket, a smile, and a short skirt and get off scott free for anything short of murder. Faith in the system? Not me.

If predictable patterns of behavior didn't exist then car insurance companies would be right proper fucked.  I believe there's another thread about this sort of thing that Nigel started.

while I've no doubt and even evidence that happens here, it's hardly on par with a country like say Mexico, where a $20 got me out of a potentially bad situation and another one got me over the border from Belize.  

So you must have lost faith in any system devised by humans.  

I believe I'm starting to really understand now.  It's terrifying btw.

The others are being nice, There is no evidence of being nice in my DNA, so, you're a fucking idiot. If I were so inclined I could tell you a story about my innocent son who spent roughly $80,000 on his defense ans will be off probation in a year.

Go fuck yourself.

[Telarus]

On the national scale, it is an Industry, and turning people into criminals generates profit.

[Disco Pickle]

dishonest argument.  I said committing a crime is a choice.

Yep. my in law totally chose to get arrested, taken to prison, and then charged with smuggling weed into that prison based on what he had on his person when he was searched.

I don't actually know anyone dumb enough to take drugs into a prison.  I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who would.  

Uh, he didn't choose take drugs in.  He got his ass hauled in for being drunk and happened to have drugs on him.  Being an unwilling participant in the smuggling doesn't actually matter to the system.

How about a system where we exploit prisoners as if they are slave labor, we have harsh punishments, and we just shrug our shoulders that being arrested is a "choice"?

dishonest argument.  I said committing a crime is a choice.

Is being black a choice? How about being poor?

I don't think he understands that argument.

Ok, then it assumes at the least that only black or poor people get a bad defense.  The job of a Public Defender is a calling that is arguably one of the most demanding jobs in this country.  Of the 3 I've ever met, they've been a few of the most passionate people I've had the honor to know.  They really were trying their best to help as many people as possible.  Of course, this wont always be the case in every part of the country.

[Disco Pickle]

dishonest argument.  I said committing a crime is a choice.

Yep. my in law totally chose to get arrested, taken to prison, and then charged with smuggling weed into that prison based on what he had on his person when he was searched.

I don't actually know anyone dumb enough to take drugs into a prison.  I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who would. 

Uh, he didn't choose take drugs in.  He got his ass hauled in for being drunk and happened to have drugs on him.  Being an unwilling participant in the smuggling doesn't actually matter to the system.

story needs more context.  where was he drunk?  why didn't he leave his drugs at home?

If you're going to be drunk and do drugs, IMO you should be home or really close to home and drawing as little attention to yourself as possible.

[Phox]

Ok, then it assumes at the least that only black or poor people get a bad defense.

No. It doesn't. It assumes that black or poor people are disproportionately targeted by police, oft times unfairly. Welcome to the South Side, if the cops come, run. Doesn't matter if you didn't do anything, they don't care.

[Disco Pickle]

On the national scale, it is an Industry, and turning people into criminals generates profit.

and that IS terrifying.  Intentionally criminalizing and putting in jail people is a dark road.  Not at all what I'm defending.

[Disco Pickle]

Stopped right there. For this reason, your opinion cannot be taken seriously. Them's the breaks.

then please, tell me all you know of causality and how it relates to humans and their actions, their election of lawmakers, and the enforcement and adjudication of laws in this country.  

I'd like just one example of a human doing something that could be ever be thought of as being "random"

If that sounds dickish, it's not intended.  I really am learning from you guys.  I'm not just some "right wing nutjob" as the good Rev. insists.

Causality? Whatcha want? Deontological philosophy? Sorry, I've seen enough to figure out that there isn't a grand set of rules to follow in terms of human behavior. Predictable patterns of behavior don't exist, because if they did, deviations would be far rarer and there wouldn't be so many variables that affect it. As for the election of lawmakers and the enforcement and adjudication of laws in this country? Fuck, I could pay off the cops in this town with what's in my pocket, a smile, and a short skirt and get off scott free for anything short of murder. Faith in the system? Not me.

If predictable patterns of behavior didn't exist then car insurance companies would be right proper fucked.  I believe there's another thread about this sort of thing that Nigel started.

while I've no doubt and even evidence that happens here, it's hardly on par with a country like say Mexico, where a $20 got me out of a potentially bad situation and another one got me over the border from Belize.  

So you must have lost faith in any system devised by humans.  

I believe I'm starting to really understand now.  It's terrifying btw.

The others are being nice, There is no evidence of being nice in my DNA, so, you're a fucking idiot. If I were so inclined I could tell you a story about my innocent son who spent roughly $80,000 on his defense ans will be off probation in a year.

Go fuck yourself.

you first. 

I would like to hear your story, even if you are being a dick.

[Adios]

I don't think so, I prefer to just be a dick. It sure as hell beats being a blind idealist.

[Disco Pickle]

Ok, then it assumes at the least that only black or poor people get a bad defense.

No. It doesn't. It assumes that black or poor people are disproportionately targeted by police, oft times unfairly. Welcome to the South Side, if the cops come, run. Doesn't matter if you didn't do anything, they don't care.

I have a response to this, but I think I've had too much beer to say it coherently.  My first reaction is that you're correct, except that there are black and poor police as well now, so you would think that this would go away with time.  Except that there will always be people who commit crimes against other people.

[Disco Pickle]

I don't think so, I prefer to just be a dick. It sure as hell beats being a blind idealist.

I'd say arguing that the system is so broken it has to be scrapped is far more idealistic than accepting it for its' flaws and acknowledging it's advances since the dawn of human law.

[Adios]

I don't think so, I prefer to just be a dick. It sure as hell beats being a blind idealist.

I'd say arguing that the system is so broken it has to be scrapped is far more idealistic than accepting it for its' flaws and acknowledging it's advances since the dawn of human law.

One day I hope you have first hand experience of the system. In fact I will even pray for it.

[Phox]

Ok, then it assumes at the least that only black or poor people get a bad defense.

No. It doesn't. It assumes that black or poor people are disproportionately targeted by police, oft times unfairly. Welcome to the South Side, if the cops come, run. Doesn't matter if you didn't do anything, they don't care.

I have a response to this, but I think I've had too much beer to say it coherently.  My first reaction is that you're correct, except that there are black and poor police as well now, so you would think that this would go away with time.  Except that there will always be people who commit crimes against other people.

And those with the power will become the badge, rather than being the black person, or the poor person. They are the police officer. Ever been to the real slums and ghettos? Ever been during a police raid?

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

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What? I know god damned well I am one of the few here with personal experience in a capitol murder trial with a death penalty sentence, yet I was ignored by DP. 


So..... yeah....


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[The Good Reverend Roger]

I assert that no action any person can take can ever be considered to be random.

We're the only random macroscopic events in the universe, at an individual level.  Please retake your soc classes, as you have entirely missed the point.

[Phox]

***WARNING***CUNT MODE***


LA LA LA LA LA LA LA


What? I know god damned well I am one of the few here with personal experience in a capitol murder trial with a death penalty sentence, yet I was ignored by DP. 


So..... yeah....


LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

And I've probably gotten out of more sticky situations with the law than he's ever read about in the local rag, but hey, what do I know?