Prison Bans Books and Disco Pickle Learns a Lesson

[Triple Zero]

Charley, 10% still sounds like an awful lot, though. Wouldn't call it "only" ten percent.

Do you think it's an accurate estimate? (I truly have no idea)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It isn't actually in the police's interest to be fleecing the whiteys in a town where tourism is the primary industry.  

This is because, as an objectivist, you are ignorant of Finagle's 2d Law.

[Adios]

Charley, 10% still sounds like an awful lot, though. Wouldn't call it "only" ten percent.

Do you think it's an accurate estimate? (I truly have no idea)

Here's why they said "only".

DNA tests used before trial have exonerated at least 5000 prime suspects out of the first 18,000 DNA suspect samples at the FBI and other crime labs-suggesting a pre-trial error rate of more than 25 percent. Since 1977, some 553 people have been executed in the United States while another eighty death row inmates have been released after they were found innocent. For every seven executed, one innocent person is freed-an "error rate" of more than twelve (12) percent. In the State of Illinois, 12 people have been executed since 1977 while 13 have been released after proving their innocence-an error rate of 52 percent.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

wouldn't that create the lulz, chaos and disorder you so adore?

No, I think the lulz, chaos, and disorder is doing quite nicely, thank you.  I don't expect you to understand.  Hell, anyone other than RCH, LMNO, Richter, Nigel, and Payne¹ that say they DO understand is either confused or lying.  It's certainly not something I'd expect an objectivist to comprehend, because your heads are full of bad signal and a pile of the wrong values.  You've already found something to believe in, so you don't need The World As It Really Is.

No, I think it's better that you comfort yourself with the notion that all the people who got ground up in the system just made bad choices, choices that a fine young Randite like yourself would never make.  And you can keep congratulating yourself, as you continue burrowing your head up your arse in search of the light that must surely eventually be there.



¹  There are plenty of people who understand Discordianism, but only a few that truly understand Doom.

This...  I've never quite been able to wrap my brain around what objectivists believe...  I try, I do...

Discordianism makes more sense, though.

It's simple.  All the lucky circumstances an objectivist was born into are actually results of his own choices.  Likewise all people who are unlucky made bad choices.

(Bear in mind that all objectivists also claim to have been born in a paper bag on the side of the road, and have worked their way up to being successfully self-employed/etc, by making good choices, like choosing to be born White in America, etc.)

[Thurnez Isa]

An interesting statistic might be our recidivism rates. 75% of people that served prison time for a felony repeat their mistakes. For juvenile prison it's even 80%. The actual numbers might be higher, since they can only count the people that are caught, after all.
However, people that are sentenced to community service, only have a recidivism rate of 45 percent (youth: 55%). However, it must also be stated that people that got an alternative sentence generally committed less severe crimes than the people sentenced to prison.

It would sort of make sense, in theory at least, cause if people feel more connected to their community their less likely to be harmful towards it. The reality is probably obviously less idealistic, though 45% is a pretty decent rate even when the less severity in acts are taken in consideration.

[Disco Pickle]

It isn't actually in the police's interest to be fleecing the whiteys in a town where tourism is the primary industry.  

This is because, as an objectivist, you are ignorant of Finagle's 2d Law.

I learned it under a different name.  Now you've done it, I've started digging through 'See Also's' on wikipedia.  

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Additionally, Anna Mea Bollocks, I hadn't heard that about NL having to close down prisons cause they weren't needed. I remember a while back (5-10 years or so) they were overcrowded, though. Got a link for that maybe?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/28/netherlands-prisons-closi_n_208561.html

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It isn't actually in the police's interest to be fleecing the whiteys in a town where tourism is the primary industry.  

This is because, as an objectivist, you are ignorant of Finagle's 2d Law.

I learned it under a different name.  Now you've done it, I've started digging through 'See Also's' on wikipedia.  

Naw.  His FIRST law is usually the one mistakenly called Murphy's Law.

Here it is:

Finagle's 1st Law:  Anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Finagle's 2d Law:  Perversity¹ tends to a maximum.

Murphy's Law:  If there are two ways to do something, and one way will lead to disaster, someone will do it that way.

¹  Perversity in the classic sense, ie, doing things NOT in your own best interest.  This is why the whole concept of the Free Market is utter rubbish.

[LMNO]

Apropos to that, I learned a wonderful word from Less Wrong: "AKRASIA"

It roughly translates into "Acting against your own better judgement."




Welcome to the United States of Akrasia.
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[Luna]

Naw.  His FIRST law is usually the one mistakenly called Murphy's Law.

Here it is:

Finagle's 1st Law:  Anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Finagle's 2d Law:  Perversity¹ tends to a maximum.

Murphy's Law:  If there are two ways to do something, and one way will lead to disaster, someone will do it that way.

¹  Perversity in the classic sense, ie, doing things NOT in your own best interest.  This is why the whole concept of the Free Market is utter rubbish.

Around here, it tends to a maximum in the more common definition, too, I've noticed...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Naw.  His FIRST law is usually the one mistakenly called Murphy's Law.

Here it is:

Finagle's 1st Law:  Anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Finagle's 2d Law:  Perversity¹ tends to a maximum.

Murphy's Law:  If there are two ways to do something, and one way will lead to disaster, someone will do it that way.

¹  Perversity in the classic sense, ie, doing things NOT in your own best interest.  This is why the whole concept of the Free Market is utter rubbish.

Around here, it tends to a maximum in the more common definition, too, I've noticed...

But that's accidentally.

[Adios]

Naw.  His FIRST law is usually the one mistakenly called Murphy's Law.

Here it is:

Finagle's 1st Law:  Anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Finagle's 2d Law:  Perversity¹ tends to a maximum.

Murphy's Law:  If there are two ways to do something, and one way will lead to disaster, someone will do it that way.

¹  Perversity in the classic sense, ie, doing things NOT in your own best interest.  This is why the whole concept of the Free Market is utter rubbish.

Around here, it tends to a maximum in the more common definition, too, I've noticed...

But that's accidentally.

Are you positive it's not just another choice? 

[Disco Pickle]

what we have now, while flawed, still has checks and balances that help to prevent this sort of thing and is also fluid and able to be changed over time when mistakes are identified.

you're still operating under the false premise that the system, as it currenty exists, is something other than EXACTLY what it was intended to be. Those "checks and balances" are a lie, and nobody who has any degree of control over how the system is shaped has any interest in making changes that you or I would regard as improvements. In fact, they have a heavily vested interest in NOT making any of those sorts of changes.

I'm willing to accept that change in perspective, as fucking bleak as it is.  

[Luna]

Naw.  His FIRST law is usually the one mistakenly called Murphy's Law.

Here it is:

Finagle's 1st Law:  Anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong.

Finagle's 2d Law:  Perversity¹ tends to a maximum.

Murphy's Law:  If there are two ways to do something, and one way will lead to disaster, someone will do it that way.

¹  Perversity in the classic sense, ie, doing things NOT in your own best interest.  This is why the whole concept of the Free Market is utter rubbish.

Around here, it tends to a maximum in the more common definition, too, I've noticed...

But that's accidentally.

Are you positive it's not just another choice?  

Fairly sure it's just the aura LMNO emits giving everyone else the accidentally, but I could be choosing to be wrong.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Apropos to that, I learned a wonderful word from Less Wrong: "AKRASIA"

It roughly translates into "Acting against your own better judgement."




Welcome to the United States of Akrasia.
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More like "Acting against your own best interests."

Also, I notice DP ignored the fact that the 2nd link he posted proves him wrong.

Next Stop, Chapel Perilous!  Woo woo!