Anarchism and Welfare

[AFK]

Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.

I give up.

You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up.  And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.

Nope, I can safely say it still works fine.  In fact, I would advise folks who really get in a twist over BH to add him to the ignore list.  Problem solved!  People are really easy to avoid here, if you want to.

[navkat]

I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.

You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.

Did you actually read why that was?

Yes, and I am familiar with what BH actually said. I'm not basing my Judgements on second hand hearsay.

Okay, but I had a mistaken perception of the situation. I admitted my mistake, accepted responsibility for it and corrected myself. The above quote is based on that redirect. I'm puzzled, is something I'm saying coming across as otherwise?

I can't help but think I missed something or left something out somewhere that I thought I covered, etc...I have no idea why but people seem to be getting really angry with me now and I'm boggled. I didn't even realize I was fighting with anyone. I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

I even tried to join Gogira in letting it drop with the whole pony thing but my name keeps getting pulled into it and I don't know why.

What, if anything, did I do that was so abhorrent? I mean, if I did something actually wrong, show me. If it's not just a misunderstanding, I'll take responsibility for it and apologize. I'm not going to huff off or hurl insults.

Let's be reasonable.

[Doktor Howl]

Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.

To clarify: my idea wasn't really an idea at all. It was a series of reactions that went like this:
1. [ME]: "Wait. You guys have been calling this dude a Corpsefucker NOT because it's the new, satirical, PD-meme insule like "asshat," but because HE REALLY FUCKS CORPSES???"

2. [SOMEONE]: "He doesn't fuck corpses, he's into the ones that are still alive before he starts a-fuckin' an' a-rapin'."

3. [ME] "OH MY GOD HOLY FUCK FOR REALS???"

4. [SOME PEOPLE] "Yeah. He posted all about it and was sooooo proud of himself. We were all completely disgusted, of course but he's still here. Errybody knows...and he also called me names and called her names and him names too. THE NERVE."

5. [ME] "WATE WAT? ECH, ISN'T KILLING PEOPLE A GOOD REASON TO BAN THEM?"

6. [ECH]: "*shrug* I don't see why it should be...wait. Is he a snitch? Because if he's a snitch...oh, just the killin thing still? Yeah, no. Get over it."

7. [ME]: (To myself OMFGSOFUCKEDUPNONOCALMDOWN!) To ECH: *WALL OF TEXT*

8. [FREEKY & ERRYBODY]: "NO, NO, NO, dummy! He didn't do it for reals, just wants to do it for reals and now we hate him. Also, he called us names. THE NERVE."
Also: "I didn't join the army to kill anyone. Not a soul. Nope, not a killer, not ever gonna be a killer. Never thought there was a chance I'd ever kill in the army because I'm really smart and got the one recruiter who never lies and he told me that if I wasn't in the band, I'd be tapped to go into advertising shortly after I get out of bootcamp where they gratuitously teach me how to march with a backpack full of survival gear and handle a firearm. MILITary is a misnomer in my case. Yep."

9. [ME] "WATE WAT? If he isn't for reals a killer? So basically, he's just another boring name-caller who said some really disgusting things that were (to validate you) really disgusting, yes. WHY ARE YOU GUYS GETTING SO SERIOUSLY UPSET ABOUT THIS??? AVERAGE RETARD, HELLO."

Also: "That military thing is ridiculous. You're a grown-up who entered into a contract and took an oath with an employer who is allowed to make you kill people. I did it too. That doesn't mean we like a-rapin an a-killin though. It just means we made choices that could have put us in a situation where we would have to choose to end a life...otherwise we could have been killed OR WORSE."

Also: "ECH, I'm sorry I gave you *WALL OF TEXT* before. I thought it was something else. You right, nigga. CARRY ON."

Sorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."

Not what I said. Try this:

"I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS GUY...WHAT'S GOIN...WHAT? KILLING WIMMINZ? THAT'S SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP! WAIT...WHAT? NOT ACTUALLY KILLIN? WELL THEN WHY HAVE YOU TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED HIS CHARACTER AS THOUGH HE DID? SAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS DOING."

It's simple.  They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.

Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH.  They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?

Yeah, starting to pick up on the whole "SHINY" thing being aimed at me.

I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY. That's it. If that makes me look like this: to you, there really ain't much I can do about that. I try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.

And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.

Fuck it. I've been staring at this entry for a half-hour. I'm gonna hit Post and...fuck it. Needs to be let out. Setting off nuclear bombs and cussing in the dark and all that, right? I guess this make me less SHINY now since I'm not even making the EFFORT anymore do edit this one and keep my childishness to mySELF.

Fuck you.

[Doktor Howl]

I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

Yeah, well, you made your choice.

[navkat]

I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

Yeah, well, you made your choice.

What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?

[Doktor Howl]

I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

Yeah, well, you made your choice.

What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?

Between these two options:

1.  Chide me like I'm your fucking kid, or

2.  Not chide me like I'm your fucking kid.

Now, fuck off.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."

Not what I said.

Yeah, I was talking about the person who DID say that, who was Joh'Nyx. And semi-combining your two issues, which is why I didn't specifically name one or the other of you. Which, if you have noticed, I am not shy about doing at all.

Also, the "shiny" thing isn't directed at you.

[Faust]

I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.

You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.

Did you actually read why that was?

Yes, and I am familiar with what BH actually said. I'm not basing my Judgements on second hand hearsay.

Okay, but I had a mistaken perception of the situation. I admitted my mistake, accepted responsibility for it and corrected myself. The above quote is based on that redirect. I'm puzzled, is something I'm saying coming across as otherwise?

I can't help but think I missed something or left something out somewhere that I thought I covered, etc...I have no idea why but people seem to be getting really angry with me now and I'm boggled. I didn't even realize I was fighting with anyone. I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

I even tried to join Gogira in letting it drop with the whole pony thing but my name keeps getting pulled into it and I don't know why.

What, if anything, did I do that was so abhorrent? I mean, if I did something actually wrong, show me. If it's not just a misunderstanding, I'll take responsibility for it and apologize. I'm not going to huff off or hurl insults.

Let's be reasonable.

I'm not angry, nor do I care for an apology, acknowledging that calling for a ban for most any reason isn't in the spirit of things is sufficient. Nothing else concerns me, if you have disagreements with others or have angered people that is your business.

[Don Coyote]

Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.

[navkat]

I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.

Yeah, well, you made your choice.

What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?

Between these two options:

1.  Chide me like I'm your fucking kid, or

2.  Not chide me like I'm your fucking kid.

Now, fuck off.

I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"

[Doktor Howl]

Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.

More to the point:  She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.

What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH.  For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that.  It was calculated to upset you, and it did.  Why does she do this sort of shit?  I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.

I give up.

Kind of seems past time for that.

Here's the thing; you are talking down to everyone who has a legitimate beef with Babs. You don't know what happened, yet you are assuming  that at least four of us are being shit-flinging monkeys because we can't stand the guy. You LITERALLY SAID AS MUCH in that post up there.

So, essentially you have decided that me, Coyote, Dok, and Freeky are all unreasonably attacking poor Babs for no real reason, just to make the world a little less nice.

And stop blaming your poor reading comprehension on Freeky or anyone else. You jumped to yet ANOTHER demeaning conclusion, not about the four of us but about every mod and admin on this board and particularly ECH, which is that for some reason they would for even a split second willingly harbor someone who claimed to actually have raped or murdered anyone. Really?

The way you are behaving right now, it's coming across as if you have a really, really abysmally low opinion of just about everyone here. Stop for a moment. Consider the possibility that we might all have brains in our heads.

[navkat]

I'm not angry, nor do I care for an apology, acknowledging that calling for a ban for most any reason isn't in the spirit of things is sufficient. Nothing else concerns me, if you have disagreements with others or have angered people that is your business.

Okay. Thank you.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.

I give up.

You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up.  And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.

Let me get this straight: To paraphrase the above (if I'm getting this right), if I call you butthurt, we are no longer friends and that is grounds for you to cease contact with me?

Why in the hell would any reasonable person with any measure of self-esteem want to maintain friendship or contact with someone who treats them with open contempt?  That doesn't even make any sense.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"

I don't think it can get worse, to be perfectly honest with you.  As far as you're concerned, I joined the army because I wanted some weird sexual thrill out of killing people.  Which was said, apparently, to make Coyote somehow equivalent with BH, and shit, looks like you nailed a bunch of other people along with him.  You're a Goddamn genius.  You should be a brain surgeon, or a rocket scientist.

Also, you didn't seem to have any problem with BH making up shit about Freeky.  Something about her "defending a pedophile", which is utter and complete shit.  But that's who you've pissed everyone off to go all fucking mama bear over, so I imagine you have some contrived reason for it.