The Parlor Problem

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

A lot of people have a calling to compassionate careers that deal with the creeps off the street... it's just that in the current paradigm, it's almost impossible for sex worker to be that kind of compassionate career, rather than an exploited one.

I may very well be wrong on this, but I don't think it's possible to be a sex worker without becoming a bundle of PTSD.

Maybe so, but in reference to the OP, it's different.  Massage therapy is a powerful thing all on its own.  It's the whole touching and being touched thing.  A happy ending, in the best of all situations, is not at all like hooking.

A longass massage with a happy ending loses all meaning when it's some strange fatass old man with a sock tan who considers you a whore.

Sorry, I never held out for a diamond ring or any of that, but a longass massage with a happy ending is "for special".

There are always going to be people like that.  It can still be meaningful to the right kind of person.

Not buying it.

Then how is massaging people not like hooking?

If it's just massage, it's more like chiropractic work.

If there's a "happy ending", it's hooking.

I'm not buying in to this dichotomy.

I may well be biased from my days working with that scumbag Seth.  I view prostitution as slavery, plain & simple.  It's an emotional thing based on admittedly limited experience, I know, but there you have it.

Seth? Don't think I've heard this story.

That's because I've never gotten around to mailing about a hundred things, including a copy of MSY1 to you.

Well I didn't say anything since you've got a fuckton of other stuff going on, but MAIL IT ALREADY!
Thanks.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Send 'em down an assembly belt with a cover over them and just their dicks sticking up so the girls don't have to look at them. 

That's pretty dehumanizing.

So is this http://www.rubmaps.com/

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right?

Not at all.

I'm saying slime like that is only worthy of female attention when they earn it, and they have a longass way to go before they get there.

I wouldn't rub a mans dick who kicked a cat. I sure wouldn't touch these shitnecks with a ten foot pole.

But are you the kind of person who would go into giving a massage at all?  Or working with people and their bodies at all?  You said you wouldn't, right?  Well, that is your prerogative.

No, I'd do massage, I'd do medical stuff, the works. I've picked up mangey DOGS and brought the home and made them ok again.

I didn't jack the dogs off, though, no matter how much it would have made their day. And I wouldn't jack off some random perv.

Big difference in a want and a need. Handjobs are a want.

[Freeky]

I disagree that a lack of sexual touch is a want and not a need, but I have no learning and facts to back that up, so I'll bow out here.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Wait. So the curiosity got a hold of me and I looked at that site that lists massage parlors in your area. And... um.. is this happy ending thing NORMAL for these places? Wtf?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sex is a human drive, for most humans. And along with touch and companionship, lack of sex can make adult humans depressed and irrational. Inability to get laid is not a character flaw in itself.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sex is a human drive, for most humans. And along with touch and companionship, lack of sex can make adult humans depressed and irrational. Inability to get laid is not a character flaw in itself.

All my favorite people have no problem getting laid. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sex is a human drive, for most humans. And along with touch and companionship, lack of sex can make adult humans depressed and irrational. Inability to get laid is not a character flaw in itself.

All my favorite people have no problem getting laid. 

Uhhh

in-group bias, anyone?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So far we have really only talked about happy endings for men. I am curious about how people here feel about the increasingly common practice of happy endings for women? Same? Different? Why?

http://www.herprivatepleasures.com/

[LMNO]

OK, why would anybody making decent money doing massage, who hasn't gotten themselves into financial hot water, suddenly decide they want to include hand jobs for everybody if not for the extra money? How can there NOT be some kind of duress?

There are people, who are few and far between because this society does not make this an easily attainable place to be, who do sex therapy work. These are not prostitutes, although they are often called that; they are skilled and educated professionals who believe that there are men and women who need their skills and their services. This comes from a place of compassion and service, and not from a place of subjugation or desperation; just as there are tens of thousands of people who work for twelve dollars an hour doing social work, some of the most horrendously depressing work there is, with their $70,000 in student loan debt to earn an MSW.

I'm sort of leaning in this direction.  The social/power dynamic around sex is totally fucked up, which makes any attempt of sexual therapy a pretty rough road to travel.  But the actions themselves are not morally wrong, nor inevitably damaging.

[Placid Dingo]

So far we have really only talked about happy endings for men. I am curious about how people here feel about the increasingly common practice of happy endings for women? Same? Different? Why?

http://www.herprivatepleasures.com/

First thought is that that sounds FUCKING STRESSFUL. 'Oh shit fuck damn, where'd it go!'

But I have heard a bit about this a few times. My impression is that it doesn't seem to be directly comparable in that the men involved tend to have a bit more say in what they do, and have never got the impression that they are likely to be moving into that area as a last resort.

I don't know if any of the places on Alty's 'rubmap' would be able to limit their services to

those who are height/weight proportional and express sincerity and true interest in their correspondence.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sex is a human drive, for most humans. And along with touch and companionship, lack of sex can make adult humans depressed and irrational. Inability to get laid is not a character flaw in itself.

All my favorite people have no problem getting laid. 

Uhhh

in-group bias, anyone?

Maybe. But people who are considered "unattractive" always manage to have sex. People work around all kinds of medical conditions to have sex. Poor people have sex, mentally handicapped people have sex, almost any misfortune AT ALL can befall a person, and they still have sex.

So if it's not physical, or economic, or anything shallow like that, what is it in a person that inspires so much revulsion that they become a total sexual pariah? I really haven't known very many people like that, but the ones I have known were pretty horrible people.

[hooplala]

Send 'em down an assembly belt with a cover over them and just their dicks sticking up so the girls don't have to look at them. 

That's pretty dehumanizing.

So is this http://www.rubmaps.com/

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right?

Not at all.

I'm saying slime like that is only worthy of female attention when they earn it, and they have a longass way to go before they get there.

I wouldn't rub a mans dick who kicked a cat. I sure wouldn't touch these shitnecks with a ten foot pole.

Are quadriplegics who want to orgasm also scum?  Or just the really lonely people?

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Send 'em down an assembly belt with a cover over them and just their dicks sticking up so the girls don't have to look at them. 

That's pretty dehumanizing.

So is this http://www.rubmaps.com/

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right?

Not at all.

I'm saying slime like that is only worthy of female attention when they earn it, and they have a longass way to go before they get there.

I wouldn't rub a mans dick who kicked a cat. I sure wouldn't touch these shitnecks with a ten foot pole.

Are quadriplegics who want to orgasm also scum?  Or just the really lonely people?

See my last post.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sex is a human drive, for most humans. And along with touch and companionship, lack of sex can make adult humans depressed and irrational. Inability to get laid is not a character flaw in itself.

All my favorite people have no problem getting laid. 

Uhhh

in-group bias, anyone?

Maybe. But people who are considered "unattractive" always manage to have sex. People work around all kinds of medical conditions to have sex. Poor people have sex, mentally handicapped people have sex, almost any misfortune AT ALL can befall a person, and they still have sex.

So if it's not physical, or economic, or anything shallow like that, what is it in a person that inspires so much revulsion that they become a total sexual pariah? I really haven't known very many people like that, but the ones I have known were pretty horrible people.

There are people here on this board who have gone extended periods of time without being able to get laid. Years, even.

There are people who are extremely shy or socially awkward who have a hard time connecting with other people.

There are people with mental or physical disabilities, people who are old or isolated or have had trauma, people who are recently divorced or in the process of divorce and don't want to inflict their mess on another person, married people whose spouses are traveling or hospitalized, who have no desire to have an affair or pick up a one-night stand but who still need sexual contact, and a massage with sexual release provides that contact in a totally safe, controlled environment.

You are probably aware of my position on prostitution. I am not justifying prostitution as we know it. I am saying that in a better, more egalitarian, more compassionate society, I can see a place where sex services could hold a respected place in much the same way other human services do.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Also, men who patronize prostitutes tend not to be quadraplegics or sexual "charity cases". As a rule they tend to be married and into secretly degrading women. Look at the guys Aileen Wuornos killed.