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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #450 on: July 06, 2020, 03:35:58 pm »
https://apnews.com/cf9528ebff1d5dd7e3b95d467d7e9418

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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #451 on: July 06, 2020, 08:15:39 pm »
https://apnews.com/8513ec966d26d1c850e7cab0b269997c

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“In a crisis, when you lack an operational solution, all you are left with is humanity,” Dezenhall said. “This is just a situation where Trump cannot pivot because he views empathy as the equivalent of running down Pennsylvania Avenue in high heels and a tutu.”
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #452 on: July 13, 2020, 02:01:47 am »
New York had a day of no COVID deaths. New York, in the olden tradition of our country, gets a pizza party — and everyone else has to watch.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #453 on: July 13, 2020, 02:29:17 am »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

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In the first longitudinal study of its kind, scientists analysed the immune response of more than 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS foundation trust and found levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms then swiftly declined.

Blood tests revealed that while 60% of people marshalled a “potent” antibody response at the height of their battle with the virus, only 17% retained the same potency three months later. Antibody levels fell as much as 23-fold over the period. In some cases, they became undetectable.

“People are producing a reasonable antibody response to the virus, but it’s waning over a short period of time and depending on how high your peak is, that determines how long the antibodies are staying around,” said Dr Katie Doores, lead author on the study at King’s College London.

The study has implications for the development of a vaccine, and for the pursuit of “herd immunity” in the community over time.

I'd say so, yeah.

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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #454 on: July 13, 2020, 02:59:25 am »
That’s pretty fucked up. That’s... if COVID becomes seasonal, you’ll have COVID vaccines for the season. Potentially, with a booster necessary for the end.

And COVID is not gonna be seasonal. Count on that.

There are only two options. Full elimination of COVID, to the degree of smallpox, or introducing The New Normal — forever.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #455 on: July 13, 2020, 04:09:34 pm »
Oh hey, so uh, it turns out that COVID wrecks your junk if you have a dong.

https://twitter.com/catbailey/status/1282528142985437184?s=21

And the tweet is so very true.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #456 on: July 13, 2020, 04:12:03 pm »
Wasnt trump seen wearing a mask yesterday?
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #457 on: July 13, 2020, 04:35:30 pm »
"Covid will kill millions and collapse necessary infrastructure if left unchecked."

THEM: *crickets*

"Covid will make your balls shrivel up, dry out, and drop off."

THEM:  :omg:
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #458 on: July 13, 2020, 04:41:17 pm »
 :lulz:

To be honest with you, I read this and had a bare moment of “could this be the answer I seek?” But no, it is not, I would be more likely to die than to live.

Also, I had sort of just assumed all of this to be true anyway, because COVID being a blood disease means the three big complications are going to be neurological, respiratory, and (AMAB) genital. All three areas rely on blood in a massive way. We heard about the respiratory, then the neurological... in my heart I knew that rotten testicles and inflamed penises were on the way.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #459 on: July 13, 2020, 04:59:10 pm »
in my heart I knew that rotten testicles and inflamed penises were on the way.

Newsfeed.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #460 on: July 13, 2020, 05:01:39 pm »
in my heart I knew that rotten testicles and inflamed penises were on the way.

Newsfeed.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Dude I was literally just thinking that.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #461 on: July 13, 2020, 08:34:01 pm »
So it would seem there's a bit of contention between almost 300 independent scientists from multiple disciplines and the WHO on airborne transmission and viral aerosolization. At first WHO tried to just double down on their insistence on it only EVER happening in specific medical procedures. Now they are walking that back. I personally suspect it's not news to the WHO, but whatever I think the ball remains dropped.

Here's a good rundown of the situation by Dr. Campbell. I have been following his analysis pretty much since March. He's a straight shooter and sticks to the official numbers rigorously. This is by far the most agitated I've seen him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=CjuaPuiqYnA


Also because I don't think it's been brought up ITT an article on how the virus do seems in order.

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Researchers exploring the interaction between the coronavirus and its hosts have discovered that when the SARS-CoV-2 virus infects a human cell, it sets off a ghoulish transformation. Obeying instructions from the virus, the newly infected cell sprouts multi-pronged tentacles studded with viral particles.

These disfigured zombie cells appear to be using those streaming filaments, or filopodia, to reach still-healthy neighboring cells. The protuberances appear to bore into the cells’ bodies and inject their viral venom directly into those cells’ genetic command centers — thus creating another zombie.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-06-26/inside-the-body-the-coronavirus-is-even-more-sinister-than-scientists-had-realized%3f_amp=true
I have to say that even in my worst conceptions of how this could be getting the numbers it does from the beginning THIS was far beyond how I thought it, or any real virus, might work. Remember the neoplasma from the CDC documentation I posted up thread and how those are generally found in novel cancers? Here you go. We're now looking to anti cancer drugs for some kind of treatment.

Airborne fucking cancer virus.

ETA the number of scientists in dissent is 239. My mind transposed to 293 and I rounded up wrongly.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #462 on: July 13, 2020, 11:08:40 pm »

Ah yes, speaking the language of a b-side movie, very serious and scientific article.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #463 on: July 14, 2020, 12:04:17 am »

Ah yes, speaking the language of a b-side movie, very serious and scientific article.

Let me Google that for you. Take your pick.
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Re: Coronavirus data and events as they come in
« Reply #464 on: July 14, 2020, 03:34:40 am »

Ah yes, speaking the language of a b-side movie, very serious and scientific article.

Cut out the “zombie” shit, and it’s fairly scary and accurate. Filamentous cellular morphology could easily behave this way, and in fact is often used this way by filopodous amoebae. Well, lysosomes instead of virions, but still.

The cancer part is scare mongering, because the fucked up morphology is due to viral load, and an effective antiviral course would cause them to return to normal function. Temporarily larger than normal, with possible related symptoms in rare cases... but cancerous, not likely.

More likely to create a very different kind of abnormal cell that gets very large but never reproduces. These are common after many, many viral infections. Check the swelling/clumping, Syncitium, and Focal Degeneration (sounds like the COVID cytopathy is a weird mix of the three, and the cellular spread is most similar to focal degeneration) entries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytopathic_effect

And you’ll note that non-degenerative/destructive cytopathy doesn’t make a cell dangerous independent of the viral infection, or kill it. There are exceptions, but just for a good example: HPV is oncogenic and isn’t known for its distortions of cellular morphology. No, it’s retroviral in action: check E6/E7 proteins section under Virology for the mechanism, and note that the HPV directly interacts with cellular genome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus_infection That and toxins are the only way for infections to potentiate cancer, and viruses don’t do toxins, because they literally can’t, that involves nonexistent cellular machinery.

Now that we’ve gotten cancer bullshit out of the way, the rest seems pretty solid, so I think you maybe were a bit harsh here Johnny.


EDIT: forgot to provide HPV link
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