Any and all ideas I had about restraining our impulses and being nice to people because as long as we got them to stick around here, they'd eventually smarten up and we wouldn't want so badly to choke them with toothpicks?
I was wrong. WAY wrong. Not only was I wrong, but my wrongness has jeopardized everything that once made this site special. PD.com is now just barely better than Mysticwicks/The Cellar/TCC/etc. Alot of people might not agree with that, but in my mind that's just one more glaring symptom of the problem. I am guilty of trying to impose massed-infantry tactics on what is clearly an arena suited for 5GW, and it worked in all the wrong ways, and I apologize for that. I don't know what to do about it, or if there's even anything effective that CAN be done about it, but I know one thing, and that is that I am absolutely through being nice to people just because they're here. We raised this place from the rubble with the intent of it becoming a hangout/resource/network for a certain kind of person, and there are too many people here who aren't interested in our program. Most of them probably don't even know we HAVE a program, and again, I take the blame for that. It may be too late to shove the toothpaste back in the tube, but it may not be too late to switch to brushing with lye. In short, I think we need to re-start the other site, and remind ourselves that no matter how far the screaming yahoos have penetrated into our inner sanctum, once we have found our resolve they will never be able to dig deep enough or fun far enough. In any such endeavor I will, of course, need Commander Ringmeat at my side, "inspiring" the troops in the usual way. This place may have run its course in terms of usefulness, but the ideas that started it are still good ones and I don't want to abandon them just yet. I have a little over a month to make plans before I thrust myself into another cross-country adventure, and I'd like to arm myself to the teeth (metaphorically speaking) before I go. I can't go "lone wolf", because anything with "wolf" in it is sucky, but I am sick to death of being the admin of "Facebook for Weirdos".
So...are you in?
You can leave your Admin badge at the door.
Thanks, bye, suckmyleftone.
Your pal,
Daruko :wink:
It's true, we took this over for a certain type of person.
Now lets just hope I'm still included in said certain type.
Or if not, self-"in da nads".
Sometimes, you have to be the change you want to see.
Case in point, the SME thread.
If you are serious, I'm in! :evilmad:
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on March 12, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
YEAH! LETS CLIMB IN THE IVORY TOWER AND SHIT ON THE PEASANTRY!
well. I did log in to make some constructive additions to my stuff here, and then I read this shite.
Laters, I'm out. All this 'certain kind of people' & 'our program' shit can go fuck off. tata. I'm offskis, count all my projects here on indefinite hold fo the duration.
Roger, you have our phone number, you are welcome to call us at any time mate :D Same goes for you Jenne.
Anyone else, you'll find me on facebook under my real fake name 'keith rolly'
You aint going nowhere 'till I get my fake adverts! :argh!:
Communities change. You can never go back to the good ol days.
I can see where ECH is coming from, I've been to other forums, I still post on one occasionally, and I have :facepalm: on the amount of whiny fluff that gets posted. The occasional tension here can prove an amazing catalyst for creativity and actual real bipedal thought.
I'm trying to keep my mental health bitching there to be fair unless it seems relevant to a thread here.
That saying, I'm not the most creative or original posters here, but I appreciate the work that has been done, I'm going to continue to give people a chance to prove themselves cos because I'm not going to change who I am to fit PD.
We need more of such projects as the Horrormirth competition as an example to balance out the fluff.
The fluff occurs when we as a comunity feel comfortable with each other and seems to be a byproduct of us feeling some form of affinity with people here.
Maybe some of us should just get livejournal accounts.
Oh, and :mittens: for lmno!
Quote from: Kai on March 12, 2010, 08:51:39 PM
It's true, we took this over for a certain type of person.
Now lets just hope I'm still included in said certain type.
Or if not, self-"in da nads".
that's really only for you to decide, but as far as I'm concerned, you'd have to work pretty fuckin' hard to get off of my good side. You and I have pretty much been tight since day 1 here, y'know?
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on March 12, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
YEAH! LETS CLIMB IN THE IVORY TOWER AND SHIT ON THE PEASANTRY!
well. I did log in to make some constructive additions to my stuff here, and then I read this shite.
Laters, I'm out. All this 'certain kind of people' & 'our program' shit can go fuck off. tata. I'm offskis, count all my projects here on indefinite hold fo the duration.
Roger, you have our phone number, you are welcome to call us at any time mate :D Same goes for you Jenne.
Anyone else, you'll find me on facebook under my real fake name 'keith rolly'
umm, this IS the ivory tower. always has been. I hope you weren't laboring under a misimpression this whole time, but PD.com was never intended to be for everyone and anyone. You have one of the highest signal-to-noise ratios of any poster I've ever seen, so I'm not sure what your complaint is but I'd be happy to address it in any way that I can.
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
the social aspect has always been present.
it has not, however, always been so overwhelmingly retarded.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 12, 2010, 09:50:29 PM
Communities change. You can never go back to the good ol days.
very true, but you also don't have to allow the new days to be less good.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
the social aspect has always been present.
it has not, however, always been so overwhelmingly retarded.
Just so I can try to understand you better, what exactly do you see as the problem? Like I said, I'm willing to help and participate, but before I do I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying properly.
Damn, scousespag went and flounced. :(
ive never contributed and i sure as fuck wont start now! :argh!:
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
the social aspect has always been present.
it has not, however, always been so overwhelmingly retarded.
Just so I can try to understand you better, what exactly do you see as the problem? Like I said, I'm willing to help and participate, but before I do I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying properly.
I actually meant to not post in this thread after the OP until Roger had replied, so I'm gonna wait to say more until I get his take on it, either publicly or privately.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
the social aspect has always been present.
it has not, however, always been so overwhelmingly retarded.
Just so I can try to understand you better, what exactly do you see as the problem? Like I said, I'm willing to help and participate, but before I do I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying properly.
I actually meant to not post in this thread after the OP until Roger had replied, so I'm gonna wait to say more until I get his take on it, either publicly or privately.
Ok.
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on March 12, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
ive never contributed and i sure as fuck wont start now! :argh!:
Wrong...........I remember Noodle Fred for President. that's a contribution.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on March 12, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
YEAH! LETS CLIMB IN THE IVORY TOWER AND SHIT ON THE PEASANTRY!
well. I did log in to make some constructive additions to my stuff here, and then I read this shite.
Laters, I'm out. All this 'certain kind of people' & 'our program' shit can go fuck off. tata. I'm offskis, count all my projects here on indefinite hold fo the duration.
Roger, you have our phone number, you are welcome to call us at any time mate :D Same goes for you Jenne.
Anyone else, you'll find me on facebook under my real fake name 'keith rolly'
umm, this IS the ivory tower. always has been. I hope you weren't laboring under a misimpression this whole time, but PD.com was never intended to be for everyone and anyone. You have one of the highest signal-to-noise ratios of any poster I've ever seen, so I'm not sure what your complaint is but I'd be happy to address it in any way that I can.
Too late. He's logged out and says he's not coming back. I'm probably not either. I thought an elitist attitude was the reason we all trolled the fuck out of MW and TCC in the first place? The phrase "certain kinds of people" is the very reason I left here in the first place four years ago, so I guess it's time to mosey on out again.
Bella,
Knows for sure she's not that certain kind of person you're looking for.
I kinda feel like HFLS.
During times of intense stress people usually have little energy for anything much beyond socializing and complaining, and this past few months has been a very trying one for many people here. The economy is shitting the bed in a massive way, most of us are unemployed or underemployed and have little spare energy for "action", or even for writing. I have essays I'd like to write, but I sit down and I can't. Can't fucking do it. Can barely stay awake, actually.
I've been online for about 20 years, and I've noticed that shit always gets stifling and people always seem to have more conflicts in February and March. Cabin fever, I think. Made worse this year by economic stress. Raise your hand if you are absolutely confident you'll have a roof over your head in six months...
I don't want to be part of an elite group, really.
That said, one of the things that I initially liked about this board is that it will fuck you up. It's not nice, it's not pineal, and people will call you on inanity... and then hold no hard feelings about it afterward. It's been soft lately, for sure. Maybe because of the winter, or maybe because we're all too tired and stressed to dish out the rafts of shit we used to. But I don't think that's either anything permanent, nor is it a hand that can be forced. It will change. When everyone isn't tired, stressed, or ill.
Quote from: Bella on March 12, 2010, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on March 12, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
ive never contributed and i sure as fuck wont start now! :argh!:
Wrong...........I remember Noodle Fred for President. that's a contribution.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on March 12, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
YEAH! LETS CLIMB IN THE IVORY TOWER AND SHIT ON THE PEASANTRY!
well. I did log in to make some constructive additions to my stuff here, and then I read this shite.
Laters, I'm out. All this 'certain kind of people' & 'our program' shit can go fuck off. tata. I'm offskis, count all my projects here on indefinite hold fo the duration.
Roger, you have our phone number, you are welcome to call us at any time mate :D Same goes for you Jenne.
Anyone else, you'll find me on facebook under my real fake name 'keith rolly'
umm, this IS the ivory tower. always has been. I hope you weren't laboring under a misimpression this whole time, but PD.com was never intended to be for everyone and anyone. You have one of the highest signal-to-noise ratios of any poster I've ever seen, so I'm not sure what your complaint is but I'd be happy to address it in any way that I can.
Too late. He's logged out and says he's not coming back. I'm probably not either. I thought an elitist attitude was the reason we all trolled the fuck out of MW and TCC in the first place? The phrase "certain kinds of people" is the very reason I left here in the first place four years ago, so I guess it's time to mosey on out again.
Bella,
Knows for sure she's not that certain kind of person you're looking for.
Maybe not, but I think the rest of us would like to see you both stick around.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
Any and all ideas I had about restraining our impulses and being nice to people because as long as we got them to stick around here, they'd eventually smarten up and we wouldn't want so badly to choke them with toothpicks?
I was wrong. WAY wrong. Not only was I wrong, but my wrongness has jeopardized everything that once made this site special. PD.com is now just barely better than Mysticwicks/The Cellar/TCC/etc. Alot of people might not agree with that, but in my mind that's just one more glaring symptom of the problem. I am guilty of trying to impose massed-infantry tactics on what is clearly an arena suited for 5GW, and it worked in all the wrong ways, and I apologize for that. I don't know what to do about it, or if there's even anything effective that CAN be done about it, but I know one thing, and that is that I am absolutely through being nice to people just because they're here. We raised this place from the rubble with the intent of it becoming a hangout/resource/network for a certain kind of person, and there are too many people here who aren't interested in our program. Most of them probably don't even know we HAVE a program, and again, I take the blame for that. It may be too late to shove the toothpaste back in the tube, but it may not be too late to switch to brushing with lye. In short, I think we need to re-start the other site, and remind ourselves that no matter how far the screaming yahoos have penetrated into our inner sanctum, once we have found our resolve they will never be able to dig deep enough or fun far enough. In any such endeavor I will, of course, need Commander Ringmeat at my side, "inspiring" the troops in the usual way. This place may have run its course in terms of usefulness, but the ideas that started it are still good ones and I don't want to abandon them just yet. I have a little over a month to make plans before I thrust myself into another cross-country adventure, and I'd like to arm myself to the teeth (metaphorically speaking) before I go. I can't go "lone wolf", because anything with "wolf" in it is sucky, but I am sick to death of being the admin of "Facebook for Weirdos".
So...are you in?
Um, not sure I understand the problem. The board has no more fluff on it than it ever did, and some damn good writing has been done over the last 6 months or so. If anything, we just need to move threads once in a while, keep the fluff in Apple Talk.
If you need to take a break, take a break. Board'll still be here when you get back.
Oh, and one last thing: The fluff is the best defense we have. The fact that many of us missed a classic prank in GASM is proof enough that our protective coating of Livejournal is working.
Quote from: EoC on March 12, 2010, 10:37:57 PMthe rest of us would like to see you both stick around.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 12, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
I came here to be active/learn how to be effective in action. The social aspect is a neccessary bi-product of that, and I don't think it can be avoided. If what you're planning goes through, I'll support it and participate, but I will not abandon this place in doing so.
the social aspect has always been present.
it has not, however, always been so overwhelmingly retarded.
Actually, it's always been retarded, and usually a lot worse than this.
There was 4 years of STABBITY STABBITY PIE PIE PIE TEQUILA FACE RAPING BATS
everywhere on the board. Now there's a few "me" threads in apple talk...Which LMNO, Richter, and I have had fun adding weirdness to, in a reverse psycho letter thing.
Like I said, as long as the livejournal stuff stays in Apple Talk, I'm happy.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
I am absolutely through being nice to people just because they're here.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
I think we need to re-start the other site, and remind ourselves that no matter how far the screaming yahoos have penetrated into our inner sanctum, once we have found our resolve they will never be able to dig deep enough or fun far enough.
This sounds an awful lot like "retreat to the sooper-sekrit elitist forum. Do you mean this one http://www.principiadiscordia.com/secretforums ?
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
I am sick to death of being the admin of "Facebook for Weirdos".
OH. WELL, THEN STOP.
Do you want this to be
less of a community?
Or just a community of a different kind of person?
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
So...are you in?
Is the fluff overpowering the actual content?
I can definitely get behind any plan you have to cut the fluff and "inspire the troops" to be more creative... but it sounds like there's a right way and a wrong way for them to do that?
Do you mind if in your efforts to do this you lose members who are capable of producing quality content, but not fond of your "certain type of person" attitude?
Could you give a description of the forum you want to be running and how it differs from this one, so we have some idea what is expected of us?
Also, everything Dok Howl said.
Fuck I hope HFLS and Bella don't flounce too long.
Nigel made some coherent points about it being a long cold hard bitch of a winter.
I have a home I can't even live in at the moment, even though the rent gets paid and just right now my dad's place is feeling so tense its like I'm lost in the madness of myself and the monkeys around me.
Scousespag, Roger, Kai, Nigel, SPS and naturally, Payne amongst others that don't pop to the surface of my head right now have been a support network that has been indespensible, I thank fuck I have this phone that means I can access the boards, which I can afford to keep up, and am not stuck without some kind of exit from a situation that needs time to get fixed. This seems to be time I need accelerated.
The elitist bullshit is just bullshit wherever it resides.
Lmno has the correct motorcycle here. Shit or get off the pot. If there is a problem as you or anyone here sees it bitching about it is countreproductive. Be part of the solution.
And here I just wrote an "I love you" thread right before seeing this. Now that I've thought for a few minutes, here's my take.
So WHAT if it's like livejournal. It's freaking APPLE TALK. People won't be forced into making good content.
What I see more as the truth is this: When some people go out of their way to make good content, the rest of us quickly follow in inspiration. The letters are a prime example of this. Prime example. Someone leads and the rest follows. All it takes is one person.
So....I guess complaining about the lack of content is counterproductive. Making one good thread with content and getting other people to participate (IOW, like the Letters) is successful.
I'm not really sure whether I would classify as one of EHC's ideal PD'ers. I mean, hell, I haven't even been here an entire year and I haven't really contributed much in the way of good writing. But for what it's worth, HFLS is right. This is elitism if I ever saw it. I hope this doesn't go through, because I really like it here, but if it does then I'm gone. Fluff isn't the only sign that a forum's gone downhill.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 13, 2010, 12:05:47 AM
I'm not really sure whether I would classify as one of EHC's ideal PD'ers. I mean, hell, I haven't even been here an entire year and I haven't really contributed much in the way of good writing. But for what it's worth, HFLS is right. This is elitism if I ever saw it. I hope this doesn't go through, because I really like it here, but if it does then I'm gone. Fluff isn't the only sign that a forum's gone downhill.
The forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
And not everyone's a writer, you know? Hell, I've gotten more enjoyment out of WOMPs than reading, most times. From each according to their abilities, to each according to the lulz.
I kinda see where Hustle is coming from. There's been a lot of stupid shit posted here and yes, there has always been stupid shit but we never seem to call anyone on it anymore. Maybe we're just mellowing with age.
Yeah, I post stupid shit but I'm just in this for the entertainment.
TTM,
doesn't have a TV.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 12:17:10 AMFrom each according to their abilities, to each according to the lulz.
Newsfeed.
NEWS FUCKING FEED.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 13, 2010, 12:20:18 AM
I kinda see where Hustle is coming from. There's been a lot of stupid shit posted here and yes, there has always been stupid shit but we never seem to call anyone on it anymore. Maybe we're just mellowing with age.
Yeah, I post stupid shit but I'm just in this for the entertainment.
TTM,
doesn't have a TV.
Or maybe we're just not as prone to order the tide out. If I get one good post to read per 20 posts made, I'm happy.
Dok,
Saves the King Canute act for the fucking monsoon season.
QuoteThe forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
And not everyone's a writer, you know? Hell, I've gotten more enjoyment out of WOMPs than reading, most times. From each according to their abilities, to each according to the lulz.
I'll take you word for it. Maybe I should post some of my fiction, it's about the only good shit I turn out.
Thanks, Dok. Appreciated.
Here's the thing: I bitched a LOT about fluff in the past, because I didn't understand that boards that don't allow fluff invariably dry up and blow away.
Deal is, most people can't be serious all the time, and who the hell wants that anyway?
Apple talk quarantines that, and I think getting rid of the bodega thread was counterproductive. I mean, I get as pissed as the next guy when someone spags up OKM with fluff, or Techmology, etc, but Apple Talk exists so that people have a place to spew nonsense.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 13, 2010, 12:24:56 AM
QuoteThe forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
And not everyone's a writer, you know? Hell, I've gotten more enjoyment out of WOMPs than reading, most times. From each according to their abilities, to each according to the lulz.
I'll take you word for it. Maybe I should post some of my fiction, it's about the only good shit I turn out.
Thanks, Dok. Appreciated.
I never post original shit at new forums. Why? Because I don't have any connection with them, so I cut & paste old shit, with a bit of editing. Fluff builds connections between users. People tend to write better content for people they feel a connection with.
No fluff = no content.
What Dok said! In addition to that, I see fluff as a processing ground. It's not just fluff... it's raw material. Writers write, and fluff is part of that. Writing meaningless nothingness every day, until ideas coalesce out of it and are turned into essays or short stories or poetry.
I like having categories for fluff. For instance, my stupid love life is, clearly, a fluff concentration camp. However, almost all of my really good material comes directly from my stupid love life. If I wasn't churning it out and processing it here, I'd be doing it somewhere else, and it's not likely that I'd come back here to post the end results of all that processing.
Plus I Got Depression could have been a good raw material/processing/idea repository. Sure, it's random bitching, but over time patterns appear, and patterns lead to ideas, and ideas lead to... content. If you want content you have to put up with the fluff that surrounds and feeds into content. If you want content you have to encourage it. If you want content you have to write it. You cannot get content by discouraging posting. That simply leads to a dead board.
Hmm, so then...bullshit makes the flowers grow? And that's beautiful?
Heh, you remind me of The Wisdom Cube.
Quote from: EoC on March 13, 2010, 12:53:29 AM
Hmm, so then...bullshit makes the flowers grow? And that's beautiful?
:|
:lol:
This.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 13, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Heh, you remind me of The Wisdom Cube.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Also, habitually or just in this instance?
But seriously, I'd never considered the angle of fluff leading into content. I like the concept and I can see how it would work.
ETA: "The Wisdom Cube claims to hold all the known knowledge in the universe, but it seems he only possesses a knack for tiresome anecdotes."
Disregard previous questions I guess. And fuck yourself.
QuoteNo fluff = no content.
Very true. I'll try to keep that in mind. This place always manages to surprise me.
Quote from: EoC on March 13, 2010, 01:06:24 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 13, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Heh, you remind me of The Wisdom Cube.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Also, habitually or just in this instance?
But seriously, I'd never considered the angle of fluff leading into content. I like the concept and I can see how it would work.
ETA: "The Wisdom Cube claims to hold all the known knowledge in the universe, but it seems he only possesses a knack for tiresome anecdotes."
Disregard previous questions I guess. And fuck yourself.
Heeeeeeeeere we go!
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Quote from: EoC on March 13, 2010, 01:06:24 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 13, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Heh, you remind me of The Wisdom Cube.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Also, habitually or just in this instance?
But seriously, I'd never considered the angle of fluff leading into content. I like the concept and I can see how it would work.
ETA: "The Wisdom Cube claims to hold all the known knowledge in the universe, but it seems he only possesses a knack for tiresome anecdotes."
Disregard previous questions I guess. And fuck yourself.
:lulz:
More specifically, he quotes bumper stickers.
Going back to SERIOUSPOST, awesome as The Wisdom Cube may be.
ECH, you seem to think that my frequent flouncing is some sort of character flaw, instead of examining exactly why I do it. I do it for my mental health. I am a human being, and to be human is to be social and sensitive to social environments. Every time the drama and infighting get to be too much, I start getting irritable and surly and my depression flares up and it affects all of my relationships, irl included. So I flounce. Maybe I'm just a delicate flower, but I have to avoid negativity as much as possible or I will go crazy. If it's Discordian to enjoy watching your friends turn ugly on each other, well, I never really identified as one anyway. So yes, I am pro-fluff, and maybe you should think about taking a break if people being happy and productive sets your nerves on edge.
If people put as much energy into writing content or creating cool projects as they do into railing against fluff, the signal/noise ratio would go way up.
Just sayin'.
And I'm not exempting myself from that, either. I've leveled my share of snarky comments against fluff threads. Not to mention threads I hate.
Mostly I'm not entirely serious though.
Oddly enough, I'm in total IAWTC with Nigel.
I read the last 3 pages, and realized that ECH didn't reply to my comment.
Let me tell you, for the last couple of months, I was devoting my time to the Spider Project music, and was just a passive receptor at PD.com. And I was all pissy because it wasn't generating the posts I wanted to read. And I bitched. And then I bitched at the people who bitched at my bitching.
Then someone nudged me, asking what would be the next way to engage people after the psycho letters. I didn't have an answer, and I still don't -- but I did realize that the best way to get the stuff I wanted was to do it myself.
So, I took the "surprise me eris" thread, which had gone from the potential of a freakfest to a blogthread, and I GOT CREATIVE.
I spent the same amount of time, and the same amount of energy as I would slinging shit, and used it to show these motherfuckers how it's done. And you know what? I'm STILL moving forward with the Spider Project. As it turns out, creativity is a renewable resource.
Go figure
tl;dr -- hike your panties up, Mary.
ECH
if this involves hot uniforms I'm in
Quote from: LMNO on March 13, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
Oddly enough, I'm in total IAWTC with Nigel.
I read the last 3 pages, and realized that ECH didn't reply to my comment.
Let me tell you, for the last couple of months, I was devoting my time to the Spider Project music, and was just a passive receptor at PD.com. And I was all pissy because it wasn't generating the posts I wanted to read. And I bitched. And then I bitched at the people who bitched at my bitching.
Then someone nudged me, asking what would be the next way to engage people after the psycho letters. I didn't have an answer, and I still don't -- but I did realize that the best way to get the stuff I wanted was to do it myself.
So, I took the "surprise me eris" thread, which had gone from the potential of a freakfest to a blogthread, and I GOT CREATIVE.
I spent the same amount of time, and the same amount of energy as I would slinging shit, and used it to show these motherfuckers how it's done. And you know what? I'm STILL moving forward with the Spider Project. As it turns out, creativity is a renewable resource.
Go figure
tl;dr -- hike your panties up, Mary.
:mittens:
Also:
:apple:
Forums are a shit technology, but they are the best we have right now. As they exist currently, they aren't scalable. Imagine PD.com with 10x the number of active users, or 100x. Even if anyone had enough time to read all of that additional content, our monkeyspheres aren't large enough to really give a shit about the vast majority of people producing it. That doesn't bode well for any sense of community.
So I think one side is right in the sense that success is killing the forum, and the other side is right in that the community and its baggage are vital for the production of creative content.
Which is why I think forums are inherently shit - they provide content based upon a global popularity metric only, while people are most interested in reading content from people with whom they share common interests.
On a forum with a small core group of active users, those sets don't diverge significantly. As the forum grows, different interests compete for the top 25 "unread posts". Consciously or not, the selected threads influence the flavour of the forum.
But is there a reason why I can't give a "thumbs up" to a psycho letter I like, and in return get similar content to bubble up? Or if I end up liking content from particular users more often, then perhaps I'd be interested in viewing the forum filtered through their collective preferences - the stuff which they give "thumbs up" to? Then what about widening the net and viewing through a filter of friends-of-friends, etc? The primary reason why not is that dynamic calculations like that would likely consume a fuckton of resources to filter on-demand, but there might be some caching/batching which could make it more manageable. Amazon and last.fm can do it, but it wouldn't need to be that hardcore to be useful.
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 05:43:12 AM
Forums are a shit technology,
NOT
in the year 2510
Fuck this. All I know is that I understand what ECH is trying to say, and to a point I agree. He's a rock n roller, and sometimes it's hard to read people bitching when you really want to stomp around, pick fights, and stuff shit into your system while someone blasts loud music. It's hard to read Monday morning when you feel like Saturday night, right?
ECH would fit right in with our crew...He'd know Tucson instantly, and it would know him. That may not sound like a compliment, in some circles, but it is coming from me. Not everyone can handle this place. It's simply too fucking weird, too full of horror and diseased failure. You have to be serious about having a good time, here. You have to eat the hell out of that cheeseburger, as the man said. You have to be prepared, to be ready, when the weird comes oozing up through the floorboards in some horrible fucking juke joint and everything goes sideways, and Bob Seger wails from the sound system while barstools fly and teeth hit the floor.
So I can see where the blog threads would go up one nerve and down another...Sometimes I look at all the "look at me" threads, and sit and seethe in hatred. But other times, most times, I realize that you kind of need that shit, if only for grist. Ninety percent of my writing comes from either horrible shit I see in Tucson, or horrible shit people write in blog threads.
With that in mind, I'm gonna say this: I think everyone is overreacting.
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 05:43:12 AM
Forums are a shit technology, but they are the best we have right now. As they exist currently, they aren't scalable. Imagine PD.com with 10x the number of active users, or 100x. Even if anyone had enough time to read all of that additional content, our monkeyspheres aren't large enough to really give a shit about the vast majority of people producing it. That doesn't bode well for any sense of community.
So I think one side is right in the sense that success is killing the forum, and the other side is right in that the community and its baggage are vital for the production of creative content.
Which is why I think forums are inherently shit - they provide content based upon a global popularity metric only, while people are most interested in reading content from people with whom they share common interests.
On a forum with a small core group of active users, those sets don't diverge significantly. As the forum grows, different interests compete for the top 25 "unread posts". Consciously or not, the selected threads influence the flavour of the forum.
But is there a reason why I can't give a "thumbs up" to a psycho letter I like, and in return get similar content to bubble up? Or if I end up liking content from particular users more often, then perhaps I'd be interested in viewing the forum filtered through their collective preferences - the stuff which they give "thumbs up" to? Then what about widening the net and viewing through a filter of friends-of-friends, etc? The primary reason why not is that dynamic calculations like that would likely consume a fuckton of resources to filter on-demand, but there might be some caching/batching which could make it more manageable. Amazon and last.fm can do it, but it wouldn't need to be that hardcore to be useful.
SMF includes a "Karma" system. There are addons for it, such as Advanced Reputation System (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1129) that we could easily use if we needed more functionality. But for now, try just enabling karma. Now, for filter-like stuff I honestly think Slashdot does a good job. You can mod posts from -1 to +5, random users get moderator points, and the more good posts you make the more you get to moderate. You can set friends & foes, and their posts get a modifier to your view accordingly. Etc, etc. Slashcode clearly isn't appropriate to this site (no image posts, for one), but such a system CAN be implemented and can be done without consuming a huge amount of resources.
As for myself, I'm not really a writer. I'm dysgraphic. Most of the other creative stuff I do isn't relevant here, so I don't post it here. If I think PD.com needs info on how to make high-voltage pulse capacitors I'll post things like that, but I don't see absurdly high voltage stuff being our main focus. Thus, I tend to respond more than I create.
As for being nice to people, if you don't want to, DON'T! Look at how much we get from Roger's rants. Hell, the whole "Or Kill Me" section is based off of frankly rather rude and angry ranting. Yet it provides perfectly good content, clearly better than the "Fluffy bunnies & flowers" section we don't have.
Karma systems are shitty.
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
Oh, I dislike Karma too. But it's there if we want it, there's no technical limitation or anything keeping it from working.
The karma system I'd like would be a bit like google searches now: thumbs-up is private to you, but makes it show up first/more clearly/etc when you view the forum. There's new reply notification, but that gets spammy fast.
No. I know how a karma system would work here. Everyone would just focus on the karma and fuck around with it until it broke.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 13, 2010, 06:40:12 AM
No. I know how a karma system would work here. Everyone would just focus on the karma and fuck around with it until it broke.
Pretty much.
Also, done in IRC for a while. Burns and Idem can kiss my ass.
Quote from: PeregrineBF on March 13, 2010, 06:23:25 AM
SMF includes a "Karma" system. There are addons for it, such as Advanced Reputation System (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1129) that we could easily use if we needed more functionality. But for now, try just enabling karma. Now, for filter-like stuff I honestly think Slashdot does a good job. You can mod posts from -1 to +5, random users get moderator points, and the more good posts you make the more you get to moderate. You can set friends & foes, and their posts get a modifier to your view accordingly. Etc, etc. Slashcode clearly isn't appropriate to this site (no image posts, for one), but such a system CAN be implemented and can be done without consuming a huge amount of resources.
I hate Slashdots karma system. Too easily gamed by parroting popular opinion. And besides, an "objective" global rating on a users "quality" is meaningless as what matters is the subjective opinion of the individual requesting new posts to read. Someone may hate the psycho letters but want to read more posts about shoes or something - why shouldn't they be able to participate however they want?
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: PeregrineBF on March 13, 2010, 06:23:25 AM
SMF includes a "Karma" system. There are addons for it, such as Advanced Reputation System (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1129) that we could easily use if we needed more functionality. But for now, try just enabling karma. Now, for filter-like stuff I honestly think Slashdot does a good job. You can mod posts from -1 to +5, random users get moderator points, and the more good posts you make the more you get to moderate. You can set friends & foes, and their posts get a modifier to your view accordingly. Etc, etc. Slashcode clearly isn't appropriate to this site (no image posts, for one), but such a system CAN be implemented and can be done without consuming a huge amount of resources.
I hate Slashdots karma system. Too easily gamed by parroting popular opinion. And besides, an "objective" global rating on a users "quality" is meaningless as what matters is the subjective opinion of the individual requesting new posts to read. Someone may hate the psycho letters but want to read more posts about shoes or something - why shouldn't they be able to participate however they want?
FP...What the FUCK are you jabbering about? The problem here has nothing to do with the technology being used. Goddammit.
Technology can help with filtering out stuff you're not interested in, and bubbling up content you want to see. Technology can enable communities to scale and support more members while allowing for increased specialisation.
If technology isn't part of the solution, then maybe I don't understand the problem.
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
Technology can help with filtering out stuff you're not interested in,
So can the scroll wheel on my mouse.
:lulz:
Jesus, there are alot of simpering pantywaists on this fucking forum.
In my OP, I voiced some opinions about the current state of PD and revealed my desire to re-engage in a project on ANOTHER FORUM. Not an "elite of PD" forum, or a "secret PD forum", or any of that dumb shit or anything to do with PD at all.
ANOTHER.
FUCKING.
WEBSITE.
ENTIRELY.
YOU.
MINCING.
LITTLE.
DICKWHISTLES.
So get your fucking soiled panties unbunched, nobody's gonna do anything RADICAL to your fucking PRECIOUS "community" (in quotes to reflect the irony of that term being applied by MOST of the people who toss it around so casually. I like alot of you and there are several of you I'd go to the mat for, even IRL, but 95% of you wouldn't rate my piss to extinguish you if you were on fire. That sort of percentage is, IMO, not indicative of a true "community") here at PD.fuckingrainbowsandunicornfarts.motherfuckingcom.
Fuck.
IN SOVIET RUSSIA
fart unicorn's you
Considering you're the only one spewing vitriol in this thread, I'd say you're the one who's got some bunched panties. No one is stopping you from leaving. You could have just set up another website and quietly invited the people who met your qualifications. Instead you openly talk about how shitty this board is (basically demanding that it change) and then throw a tantrum when you get a pile of posts pointing out in a reasonable manner that you're full of shit.
Again, perhaps it might be time for you to take a break?
I was responding to the pile of posts pointing it out in an unreasonable manner. I thought that was fairly obvious. I even e-primed.
A bunch of people have directly contributed in turning my forum into puerile teenaged crap, the likes of which I could find anywhere.
I notice this and now that I have the time and wherewithal to take a more active hand here for the first time in 2 years I decide to SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT (not even DO, just SAY) and that is, apparently, bullshit and unreasonable of me.
Fuck anyone who thinks that way. I hope you choke on six miles of dick and I sure as hell hope you decide I'm a big elitist meanie and flounce and go the fuck back to MySpace. I really don't give a shit about the opinions of the people whose opinions I don't give a shit about, I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.
and I don't fucking care that there's fluff (there's always fluff), I care that the fluff is rarely ever interesting, funny, depraved, or original anymore. It's all degenerated into stupid personal drama, even drama that has nothing to do with the people here or this forum, so why bore us with it? If you can't make it interesting, think about not hitting the "post" button. PD is not "Facebook for Weirdos" no matter how badly you may want it to be. There's never been a rule against that sort of thing and there's never going to be, but it definitely started out as an integral-if-unwritten part of the voluntary social contract here, and that's long since been ignored, and that pisses me off.
YOU KNOW
i'm there, ECH. not alot of 'aktion' is going on here, there's no movement toward a new 'B.I.P.' by a loong shot. at least on the surface. seems almost as if this board struggles against achievement. as a group
I'M, LIKE,
super noob, so i can't comment at all about what it used to be like here. perhaps it is just such a new phase of people present that an acclimation needs to complete itself before this board's current expanded core is a tactical team.
MAYBE
you're honestly assessing that the "p.d." is no longer the front lines. frustrating, however possibly you're right that a new format is needed to take care of business. when anything gets too accessible it just loses the fierceness of what it truly once was. perhaps the doors are left so open that the jailed/ imprisoned mindset for total war is offset by the intraweb "irresponsibility through freedom"(?)
SERIOUSLY THOUGH
HOT UNIFORMS
i thought chaos never died was the ivory tower... :?
Quote from: Pēleus on March 13, 2010, 10:42:25 AM
i thought chaos never died was the ivory tower... :?
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
'don't forget the chaos'
BY
the
exploited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract ?
Posting ITT to remind everyone I have relevant and important opinions on this subject that you should listen to.
OK, I'm done. As you were.
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
I enjoy reading your trolling of fluff threads. Unpleasantness roont.
Fucking Deja Vu ITT.
I didn't even realize Bella was posting on this board again.
Quote from: Performance. Environment. Actuators. Sensors. on March 13, 2010, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
I enjoy reading your trolling of fluff threads. Unpleasantness roont.
Fine I'll make sure to make it extra bland next time.
QuoteFuck anyone who thinks that way. I hope you choke on six miles of dick and I sure as hell hope you decide I'm a big elitist meanie and flounce and go the fuck back to MySpace. I really don't give a shit about the opinions of the people whose opinions I don't give a shit about, I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.
Not sure whether you're serious or "playing unreasonable" as you claimed, but either way, you need to calm down. I think Dok is right, everyone is overreacting, as you haven't actually done anything yet. But the idea that you're expressing, that IS elitist bullshit. Sugar coat it how you like, but it's still true. This place still produces good content, even with the fluff. And hell, sometimes people need useless, tasteless fluff. So calm down, and listen to people for a minute.
There, I've said my piece. I'm going to bow out of the rest of this thread, for fear of making an ass out of myself. So good luck and hope everything turns out well.
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2010, 11:23:36 AM
Posting ITT to remind everyone I have relevant and important opinions on this subject that you should listen to.
OK, I'm done. As you were.
As true as that may be, it doesn't take into account one significant point...
....just sayin'
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
A bunch of people have directly contributed in turning my forum into puerile teenaged crap, the likes of which I could find anywhere.
I notice this and now that I have the time and wherewithal to take a more active hand here for the first time in 2 years I decide to SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT (not even DO, just SAY) and that is, apparently, bullshit and unreasonable of me.
Fuck anyone who thinks that way. I hope you choke on six miles of dick and I sure as hell hope you decide I'm a big elitist meanie and flounce and go the fuck back to MySpace. I really don't give a shit about the opinions of the people whose opinions I don't give a shit about, I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.
The problem is now, I'd think, is that you keep saying that certain people have softened the boards, yet you haven't called anyone out in specific, so people that it may not be directed at are reacting as if it were directed at them. So, by not being specific, you've managed to offend people that you didn't necessarily mean to offend, and given those undesirables you were reffering to an oppotunity to jump on the "ECH is a meanie" bandwagon. Y'know what, just name some fucking names, and if these people are as terrible as you think, those that do produce content and are the true representartives of this board will run them out with torches and pitchforks. I share your perspective on a bunch of shit and I like your no-bull-shit-type attitude (hell, I'm alot like that myself IRL, just not here. Beleive it or not, I like this place and I don't want to piss off the folk here by being an ass) and we all know you're a stand-up kind of guy, but until you stand up and name names, you're comments are just going to offend the people that you want to stay. If you want to start something new, that's cool, and honestly, I'd want to be a part of it, but don't throw PD in the trash just because it's got a smudge on it.
Just to clarify, I would like to see more activities/projects/involvement but, like Nigel said, shit in the outside world in general sucks, and we're all just regular people with money/work/issues in general. There'e nothing wrong with venting to people you like/trust. Plus, I've seen many a fluff topic turn into great dicussions. And you never know, the various meat-ups in the works could serve as a huge launching pad for ideas and action. So, really, why so serious? DON'T GO ALL GREY ON ME, MAN!
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:28:26 PM
Just to clarify, I would like to see more activities/projects/involvement but, like Nigel said, shit in the outside world in general sucks, and we're all just regular people with money/work/issues in general. There'e nothing wrong with venting to people you like/trust. Plus, I've seen many a fluff topic turn into great dicussions. And you never know, the various meat-ups in the works could serve as a huge launching pad for ideas and action. So, really, why so serious? DON'T GO ALL GREY ON ME, MAN!
The reason I don't agree with venting to people you like and trust on a Forum, is that its to an open audience, for every person you know who reads it a hundred more you don't know read it as well. It also tends to drive away new people when they come in and see nothing but circle jerk threads.
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:28:26 PM
Just to clarify, I would like to see more activities/projects/involvement but, like Nigel said, shit in the outside world in general sucks, and we're all just regular people with money/work/issues in general. There'e nothing wrong with venting to people you like/trust. Plus, I've seen many a fluff topic turn into great dicussions. And you never know, the various meat-ups in the works could serve as a huge launching pad for ideas and action. So, really, why so serious? DON'T GO ALL GREY ON ME, MAN!
The reason I don't agree with venting to people you like and trust on a Forum, is that its to an open audience, for every person you know who reads it a hundred more you don't know read it as well. It also tends to drive away new people when they come in and see nothing but circle jerk threads.
Maybe you're right, and maybe a lot of the "whining" should be kept to PM's, but on the other hand, if established members want to bitch, and they can't do it here, they'll take it somewhere else and bring there valuable contributions with them. I dunno, there's no real way to keep everybody happy, but sometimes you gotta deal with the bull-shit to get to the good stuff.
EDIT: and if strangers to the board are turned off by the fluff, and can't be bothered to take the time to find the content for themselves, then fuck 'em, they're probably not the type of people worth having anyway.
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:28:26 PM
Just to clarify, I would like to see more activities/projects/involvement but, like Nigel said, shit in the outside world in general sucks, and we're all just regular people with money/work/issues in general. There'e nothing wrong with venting to people you like/trust. Plus, I've seen many a fluff topic turn into great dicussions. And you never know, the various meat-ups in the works could serve as a huge launching pad for ideas and action. So, really, why so serious? DON'T GO ALL GREY ON ME, MAN!
The reason I don't agree with venting to people you like and trust on a Forum, is that its to an open audience, for every person you know who reads it a hundred more you don't know read it as well. It also tends to drive away new people when they come in and see nothing but circle jerk threads.
Maybe you're right, and maybe a lot of the "whining" should be kept to PM's, but on the other hand, if established members want to bitch, and they can't do it here, they'll take it somewhere else and bring there valuable contributions with them. I dunno, there's no real way to keep everybody happy, but sometimes you gotta deal with the bull-shit to get to the good stuff.
Well it leaves them open to attack, so just as long as they aren't surprised when that happens.
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:28:26 PM
Just to clarify, I would like to see more activities/projects/involvement but, like Nigel said, shit in the outside world in general sucks, and we're all just regular people with money/work/issues in general. There'e nothing wrong with venting to people you like/trust. Plus, I've seen many a fluff topic turn into great dicussions. And you never know, the various meat-ups in the works could serve as a huge launching pad for ideas and action. So, really, why so serious? DON'T GO ALL GREY ON ME, MAN!
The reason I don't agree with venting to people you like and trust on a Forum, is that its to an open audience, for every person you know who reads it a hundred more you don't know read it as well. It also tends to drive away new people when they come in and see nothing but circle jerk threads.
Maybe you're right, and maybe a lot of the "whining" should be kept to PM's, but on the other hand, if established members want to bitch, and they can't do it here, they'll take it somewhere else and bring there valuable contributions with them. I dunno, there's no real way to keep everybody happy, but sometimes you gotta deal with the bull-shit to get to the good stuff.
Well it leaves them open to attack, so just as long as they aren't surprised when that happens.
Then attack! TBH, I got my ass chewed out pretty bad when I first got here, but y'know what? I'm
glad I did. Really, as corny as it may sound, I'm waaaaay better off for it. And not just here, IRL too. Maybe the problem isn't the whiney-fluff, but the lack of counter balance. let's fuck 'em all up!
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
A bunch of people have directly contributed in turning my forum into puerile teenaged crap, the likes of which I could find anywhere.
I notice this and now that I have the time and wherewithal to take a more active hand here for the first time in 2 years I decide to SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT (not even DO, just SAY) and that is, apparently, bullshit and unreasonable of me.
Fuck anyone who thinks that way. I hope you choke on six miles of dick and I sure as hell hope you decide I'm a big elitist meanie and flounce and go the fuck back to MySpace. I really don't give a shit about the opinions of the people whose opinions I don't give a shit about, I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.
The problem is now, I'd think, is that you keep saying that certain people have softened the boards, yet you haven't called anyone out in specific, so people that it may not be directed at are reacting as if it were directed at them. So, by not being specific, you've managed to offend people that you didn't necessarily mean to offend, and given those undesirables you were reffering to an oppotunity to jump on the "ECH is a meanie" bandwagon. Y'know what, just name some fucking names, and if these people are as terrible as you think, those that do produce content and are the true representartives of this board will run them out with torches and pitchforks. I share your perspective on a bunch of shit and I like your no-bull-shit-type attitude (hell, I'm alot like that myself IRL, just not here. Beleive it or not, I like this place and I don't want to piss off the folk here by being an ass) and we all know you're a stand-up kind of guy, but until you stand up and name names, you're comments are just going to offend the people that you want to stay. If you want to start something new, that's cool, and honestly, I'd want to be a part of it, but don't throw PD in the trash just because it's got a smudge on it.
I'm reluctant to go that way because then it appears as though I'm advancing some sort of personal grudge against people, when my beef is not with the people themselves but with the "content" they're adding to the board. I'd prefer they recognize themselves as the target of this thread and adjust their actions accordingly and if not, I'm probably still not going to name names because I really don't see any point in it.
I may be all kinds of an asshole, but I'm not a jerk.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
A bunch of people have directly contributed in turning my forum into puerile teenaged crap, the likes of which I could find anywhere.
I notice this and now that I have the time and wherewithal to take a more active hand here for the first time in 2 years I decide to SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT (not even DO, just SAY) and that is, apparently, bullshit and unreasonable of me.
Fuck anyone who thinks that way. I hope you choke on six miles of dick and I sure as hell hope you decide I'm a big elitist meanie and flounce and go the fuck back to MySpace. I really don't give a shit about the opinions of the people whose opinions I don't give a shit about, I don't know how much more obvious I can make that.
The problem is now, I'd think, is that you keep saying that certain people have softened the boards, yet you haven't called anyone out in specific, so people that it may not be directed at are reacting as if it were directed at them. So, by not being specific, you've managed to offend people that you didn't necessarily mean to offend, and given those undesirables you were reffering to an oppotunity to jump on the "ECH is a meanie" bandwagon. Y'know what, just name some fucking names, and if these people are as terrible as you think, those that do produce content and are the true representartives of this board will run them out with torches and pitchforks. I share your perspective on a bunch of shit and I like your no-bull-shit-type attitude (hell, I'm alot like that myself IRL, just not here. Beleive it or not, I like this place and I don't want to piss off the folk here by being an ass) and we all know you're a stand-up kind of guy, but until you stand up and name names, you're comments are just going to offend the people that you want to stay. If you want to start something new, that's cool, and honestly, I'd want to be a part of it, but don't throw PD in the trash just because it's got a smudge on it.
I'm reluctant to go that way because then it appears as though I'm advancing some sort of personal grudge against people, when my beef is not with the people themselves but with the "content" they're adding to the board. I'd prefer they recognize themselves as the target of this thread and adjust their actions accordingly and if not, I'm probably still not going to name names because I really don't see any point in it.
I may be all kinds of an asshole, but I'm not a jerk.
I can understand that. I wasn't necessarily suggesting that you do, it's just I think there's probably a better way of going about this. I don't fully disagree with you, maybe we could stand to be a bit more forward in some of these fluffier threads but I'm not gonna be the one to do it, I'm too new and I don't think I've earned the right to start shitting on (most) people yet...
It's me.
I'm the guy he's talking about.
i come on the board and babble about this or that, but i don't post any original writings, or scan in artwork. There isn't any others on the board that live in my area so i can't really participate in GASMs or meatups...
For rooning the boards, i sincerely apologize. I will attempt to shape up. you can expect me to post crappy writing, and scan some horrible artworks.
if this further roons the boards, i will ship out.
again.
i'm sorry for causing all this ruckus...
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 07:07:56 AM
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
Technology can help with filtering out stuff you're not interested in,
So can the scroll wheel on my mouse.
Mine can't. Well, my scrollwheel can, but my head cannot. Can't deal with all that information. Not even in the sense of "can I skip this? yes/no".
But that's me. My head is not wired properly.
Maybe the fluff is necessary for people to churn their personal lives and issues into awesome writings.
However, not everybody on this board is a writer. And not every project on the board is about writing awesome things inspired by personal fluff issues.
And I do think that these projects are snowed under by the fluff that is apparently required for the "awesome writings inspired by personal experiences" projects.
You may have noticed that I have been posting less the past week or so, is because I took it up on myself to not go spagging about on the Internet before 16h. It does WONDERS for my productivity.
But it ALSO has shown me that dealing with the torrential flood of useless information and personal whining and tidbits that this place produces makes my head spin.
In fact it makes my head spin so much my brain turns into a motionless soup of mind-numbing lethargy. For all the bullshit fluff that apparently is such fertile ground for a couple of the writers on this board, it locks down my brain by having to wade through it, even just to try and figure out whether I should give it any attention or yank the scroll wheel.
If I'm going to keep up my "no spagging on the Internets before 16h" habit (and I plan to), you're going to be seeing a lot less of me because the actual interesting stuff gets completely
buried in the contentless bull crap.
This, however, is just my opinion. And as I said, my brain is not wired properly, so I might be in the minority here. The fluff is so much that I'm all washed up and out to actually get anything
done by the time I have figured out whether I want to read it or not (I usually read it anyway though).
But that's me. If everybody thinks swamping the board with fluff is absolutely required to produce awesome things such as the psycho letters, go for it. Maybe I can write a bot to read and filter the forums for me or something (like I'll ever finish such a thing, but yeah).
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
OK, you have a point, but have you
ever posted an original essay or rant or anything? I don't recall seeing any content from you at all over the last 2.5 years. Which is, of course, not anything I have a problem with, I just think it's funny that you hate fluff so much when you don't produce any content yourself.
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2010, 11:23:36 AM
Posting ITT to remind everyone I have relevant and important opinions on this subject that you should listen to.
OK, I'm done. As you were.
:mittens:
Best post ITT.
BTW, I don't know if the six hundred various game threads are considered "content" but I think they're totally stupid and I don't read them.
Also, I think that anyone who is bitching about fluff but has not posted a single original essay, piece of fiction, or other artwork over the last year needs to suck up the whining and create some goddamn content.
I might be wrong here but it just sounds like ECH is sick of reading through all the dribble to get to the good stuff and wants to do some work elsewhere with the people that do post content.
Maybe?
It seems reasonable to me. I mean, I wouldn't feel excluded if I wasn't invited to join in the reindeer games because, admittedly, I don't often post anything worth looking at.
So why not have a different place with good stuff happening and leave this place to get the juices flowing and keep up the inspiration for it?
It just sounds like putting good work in another "folder", so to speak.
Or am I wrong.
I don't know what other forum he's talking about. HIMEOBS?
Whatever. I don't have time for that many forums. I'm either fully invested in this one or, if I am not considered a worthy contributor, I'll go invest elsewhere.
If someone wants to start a project, I'll check it out and I'll participate if it interests me.
I don't know what other forum either.
But I don't really have much to contribute so it doesn't really affect me.
You do contribute a lot of really good stuff though, so I'm sure you wouldn't be excluded?
I dunno.
*fart*
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
BTW, I don't know if the six hundred various game threads are considered "content" but I think they're totally stupid and I don't read them.
Also, I think that anyone who is bitching about fluff but has not posted a single original essay, piece of fiction, or other artwork over the last year needs to suck up the whining and create some goddamn content.
Y'know, I was talking to my bro the other day about the werewolf game and he brought up a good point. The game itself is an exercise in dealing with/manipulating/interpreting information, which in alot of ways is at the heart of every GASM. The game itself may be just a game, but it is also a type of exercise to keep your mind sharp when looking at and manipulatiing info and the way people perceive said info. It may not be
content but it's really a sort of training exercise.
Life is an exercise in manipulating people.
Werewolf just makes it easier by giving you set rules, set goals and a limited number of actors.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:11:22 AM
Fuck this. All I know is that I understand what ECH is trying to say, and to a point I agree. He's a rock n roller, and sometimes it's hard to read people bitching when you really want to stomp around, pick fights, and stuff shit into your system while someone blasts loud music. It's hard to read Monday morning when you feel like Saturday night, right?
ECH would fit right in with our crew...He'd know Tucson instantly, and it would know him. That may not sound like a compliment, in some circles, but it is coming from me. Not everyone can handle this place. It's simply too fucking weird, too full of horror and diseased failure. You have to be serious about having a good time, here. You have to eat the hell out of that cheeseburger, as the man said. You have to be prepared, to be ready, when the weird comes oozing up through the floorboards in some horrible fucking juke joint and everything goes sideways, and Bob Seger wails from the sound system while barstools fly and teeth hit the floor.
So I can see where the blog threads would go up one nerve and down another...Sometimes I look at all the "look at me" threads, and sit and seethe in hatred. But other times, most times, I realize that you kind of need that shit, if only for grist. Ninety percent of my writing comes from either horrible shit I see in Tucson, or horrible shit people write in blog threads.
With that in mind, I'm gonna say this: I think everyone is overreacting.
Bump to get past FP whimpering about how we don't have the technology to have a conversation.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:37:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:11:22 AM
Fuck this. All I know is that I understand what ECH is trying to say, and to a point I agree. He's a rock n roller, and sometimes it's hard to read people bitching when you really want to stomp around, pick fights, and stuff shit into your system while someone blasts loud music. It's hard to read Monday morning when you feel like Saturday night, right?
ECH would fit right in with our crew...He'd know Tucson instantly, and it would know him. That may not sound like a compliment, in some circles, but it is coming from me. Not everyone can handle this place. It's simply too fucking weird, too full of horror and diseased failure. You have to be serious about having a good time, here. You have to eat the hell out of that cheeseburger, as the man said. You have to be prepared, to be ready, when the weird comes oozing up through the floorboards in some horrible fucking juke joint and everything goes sideways, and Bob Seger wails from the sound system while barstools fly and teeth hit the floor.
So I can see where the blog threads would go up one nerve and down another...Sometimes I look at all the "look at me" threads, and sit and seethe in hatred. But other times, most times, I realize that you kind of need that shit, if only for grist. Ninety percent of my writing comes from either horrible shit I see in Tucson, or horrible shit people write in blog threads.
With that in mind, I'm gonna say this: I think everyone is overreacting.
Bump to get past FP whimpering about how we don't have the technology to have a conversation.
:lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 09:40:16 AM
Jesus, there are alot of simpering pantywaists on this fucking forum.
In my OP, I voiced some opinions about the current state of PD and revealed my desire to re-engage in a project on ANOTHER FORUM. Not an "elite of PD" forum, or a "secret PD forum", or any of that dumb shit or anything to do with PD at all.
ANOTHER.
FUCKING.
WEBSITE.
ENTIRELY.
YOU.
MINCING.
LITTLE.
DICKWHISTLES.
So get your fucking soiled panties unbunched, nobody's gonna do anything RADICAL to your fucking PRECIOUS "community" (in quotes to reflect the irony of that term being applied by MOST of the people who toss it around so casually. I like alot of you and there are several of you I'd go to the mat for, even IRL, but 95% of you wouldn't rate my piss to extinguish you if you were on fire. That sort of percentage is, IMO, not indicative of a true "community") here at PD.fuckingrainbowsandunicornfarts.motherfuckingcom.
Fuck.
Oh, if you're talking about reinstalling the other
other board with the intent of crushing the internets as a whole, you can count Commander Ringmeat in.
Fuck it, I give up. I can't make a simple statement without it being buried by some pretentious retard (Looking at you, FP and PGF) who just HAS TO SHOW HOW BRILLIANT A FUTURIST THEY ARE. Sometimes ECH makes a really good point.
God, how I fucking hate you all.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
my wrongness has jeopardized everything that once made this site special. PD.com is now just barely better than Mysticwicks/The Cellar/TCC/etc.
TCC gets a mention.... 8)
Quote from: Earthbound Spirit on March 13, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
my wrongness has jeopardized everything that once made this site special. PD.com is now just barely better than Mysticwicks/The Cellar/TCC/etc.
TCC gets a mention.... 8)
:fuckoff:
Quote from: Earthbound Spirit on March 13, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
my wrongness has jeopardized everything that once made this site special. PD.com is now just barely better than Mysticwicks/The Cellar/TCC/etc.
TCC gets a mention.... 8)
TCC is an adjective here.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Fuck it, I give up. I can't make a simple statement without it being buried by some pretentious retard (Looking at you, FP and PGF) who just HAS TO SHOW HOW BRILLIANT A FUTURIST THEY ARE. Sometimes ECH makes a really good point.
God, how I fucking hate you all.
You're not going to bait me into a lail-fest of butt-hurt by randomly finding an excuse to insult me.
Must try harder...
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Fuck it, I give up. I can't make a simple statement without it being buried by some pretentious retard (Looking at you, FP and PGF) who just HAS TO SHOW HOW BRILLIANT A FUTURIST THEY ARE. Sometimes ECH makes a really good point.
God, how I fucking hate you all.
You're not going to bait me into a lail-fest of butt-hurt by randomly finding an excuse to insult me.
Must try harder...
Who's doing the baiting now?
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd...buried again. ECH, if you're interested in my two replies, I will PM them to you, because there's fuck-all chance of you seeing the here.
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
BTW, I don't know if the six hundred various game threads are considered "content" but I think they're totally stupid and I don't read them.
Also, I think that anyone who is bitching about fluff but has not posted a single original essay, piece of fiction, or other artwork over the last year needs to suck up the whining and create some goddamn content.
Y'know, I was talking to my bro the other day about the werewolf game and he brought up a good point. The game itself is an exercise in dealing with/manipulating/interpreting information, which in alot of ways is at the heart of every GASM. The game itself may be just a game, but it is also a type of exercise to keep your mind sharp when looking at and manipulatiing info and the way people perceive said info. It may not be content but it's really a sort of training exercise.
Isn't that true of all human interactions?
Or, what Cain said.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
BTW, I don't know if the six hundred various game threads are considered "content" but I think they're totally stupid and I don't read them.
Also, I think that anyone who is bitching about fluff but has not posted a single original essay, piece of fiction, or other artwork over the last year needs to suck up the whining and create some goddamn content.
Y'know, I was talking to my bro the other day about the werewolf game and he brought up a good point. The game itself is an exercise in dealing with/manipulating/interpreting information, which in alot of ways is at the heart of every GASM. The game itself may be just a game, but it is also a type of exercise to keep your mind sharp when looking at and manipulatiing info and the way people perceive said info. It may not be content but it's really a sort of training exercise.
Isn't that true of all human interactions?
Or, what Cain said.
Yeah, I suppose. But we're doing it here with potential future activity partners.
But, yeah. You guys are probably right...
Games are games.
Once again I'd like to point out that content is what I'm interested in, and fluff is what you're interested in.
Extrapolate to be subjectively true for everyone.
I've thought about this and caught up with it. Here's what I'm thinking:
This is not the place to stand up and say either "This applies to me because I don't contribute content" or "This doesn't apply to me" and especially not "This doesn't apply to him, her, her, or the other one." This is where ECH addresses the problem he's been seeing and quite a few people who have been here for a while and that I respect agree with him.
ECH, your clarification since the first post is helpful, because honestly the first one came across as very ivory tower, etc. It seems you didn't mean it to, but you have to look at the fact that HFLS and Bella flounced because of it and just about everyone else interpreted it that way. And your refusal to not name names of those who you think this applies to is a class act.
Now there's been a lot of talk about content ITT. Trip and a few others seem upset that it's being defined here as a creative writing response to fluff or some kind of art, which is not their strong point nor the strong point of a big portion of the forums. Just because someone isn't a writer doesn't mean they don't provide input. Thoughtful discussion of topics, participation in O:M, WOMPs, and a bunch of other things (forum mood signatures especially) are content. OT is content, this post is an attempt at content, and my previous posts ITT are probably not content.
So the idea is to make a separate place, supposedly not secret or elite or anything, wherein serious discussion and goals are the focus instead of fluff (BTW: Not Facebook for weirdos is newsfeed material). Obviously there's objection to this. I think the topic to this point has established that there IS a problem with the fluff and the lack of content, at least with several members, so now it seems that the question is what to do about that.
Making a new place is one angle. I can get behind it so long as it isn't the super special area that's been discussed and is focused on something specific. That, to me, essentially just makes it a GASM, and one that I'm not sure I'd join up with.
But I don't think it needs to happen. I think something can be done to relegate the fluff to one area. I know THIS IS APPLE TALK but clearly it isn't working as intended if there's still a problem. The Bodega and whatever variations got out of hand by growing to 200+ pages in like a month, so that didn't work. If I'm reading others correct there's an issue with too many fluff threads as well as too many fluff posts.
There's been quite a few attempts at killing fluff threads by mocking them in the last few weeks, doesn't seem to work.
At this point I'm not sure what I'm getting at. Maybe there should just be a general "Does anyone actually give a fuck?" policy before posting a new thread or stupid comment.
Actually Trip, speaking of content, how about making a button, right after you click Post it comes back with "Does anyone actually give a fuck about this?"
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Fuck it, I give up. I can't make a simple statement without it being buried by some pretentious retard (Looking at you, FP and PGF) who just HAS TO SHOW HOW BRILLIANT A FUTURIST THEY ARE. Sometimes ECH makes a really good point.
God, how I fucking hate you all.
You're not going to bait me into a lail-fest of butt-hurt by randomly finding an excuse to insult me.
Must try harder...
You're reading too much into the situation, FP. I'm not trying to bait you. I'm trying to get you to shut the fuck up or at least babble about something DIFFERENT, instead of making your usual gibberish fit EVERY SINGLE TOPIC.
We have the technology to do the latter (big fucking hammer), it seems, but not the former.
Maybe if we had the technology to develop the technology har har har ack horp puke cough spit
:magick:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
oh god. another forum i hang on has that and people end up making "rep orgy threads" for the sheer purpose to get positive rep.
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
oh god. another forum i hang on has that and people end up making "rep orgy threads" for the sheer purpose to get positive rep.
Yeah, well, it's your job to be the one in the orgy with herpes. Neg rep everyone.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
Games are games.
Once again I'd like to point out that content is what I'm interested in, and fluff is what you're interested in.
Extrapolate to be subjectively true for everyone.
Wait, what are you saying?
SORRY, EOC, THE PURPOSE OF DIS HERE FRED IS TO DROWN OUT WELL-THOUGHT OUT ANSWERS WITH THREE LINE POSTS DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW SMART EACH OF US IS. SAID POSTS SHOULD SUGGEST A MAJOR ALTERATION OF THE BOARD, OR THAT "ADDITION TECHNOLOGY" IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SIMPLE FUCKING CONVERSATION. YOUR POST WILL NOW BE BURIED ALONGSIDE THE OTHER ONES.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
oh god. another forum i hang on has that and people end up making "rep orgy threads" for the sheer purpose to get positive rep.
Yeah, well, it's your job to be the one in the orgy with herpes. Neg rep everyone.
a bunch of us did. everyone got yelled at. we yelled back by saying the thread was pathetic and pointless.
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
oh god. another forum i hang on has that and people end up making "rep orgy threads" for the sheer purpose to get positive rep.
Yeah, well, it's your job to be the one in the orgy with herpes. Neg rep everyone.
a bunch of us did. everyone got yelled at. we yelled back by saying the thread was pathetic and pointless.
The proper response is "tubgirl".
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: -Kel- on March 13, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
If Karma is enabled, I will puke blood all over this place. And I'll neg rep everyone, all day, every day.
oh god. another forum i hang on has that and people end up making "rep orgy threads" for the sheer purpose to get positive rep.
Yeah, well, it's your job to be the one in the orgy with herpes. Neg rep everyone.
a bunch of us did. everyone got yelled at. we yelled back by saying the thread was pathetic and pointless.
The proper response is "tubgirl".
:mittens:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 13, 2010, 12:05:47 AM
I'm not really sure whether I would classify as one of EHC's ideal PD'ers. I mean, hell, I haven't even been here an entire year and I haven't really contributed much in the way of good writing. But for what it's worth, HFLS is right. This is elitism if I ever saw it. I hope this doesn't go through, because I really like it here, but if it does then I'm gone. Fluff isn't the only sign that a forum's gone downhill.
The forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
Another mention..... :lulz:
Quote from: Earthbound Spirit on March 13, 2010, 07:32:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 13, 2010, 12:05:47 AM
I'm not really sure whether I would classify as one of EHC's ideal PD'ers. I mean, hell, I haven't even been here an entire year and I haven't really contributed much in the way of good writing. But for what it's worth, HFLS is right. This is elitism if I ever saw it. I hope this doesn't go through, because I really like it here, but if it does then I'm gone. Fluff isn't the only sign that a forum's gone downhill.
The forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
Another mention..... :lulz:
What's your fucking point? You're being used as a bad example.
Look at that subforum and tell me that's unfair. I dare ya.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
You're reading too much into the situation, FP. I'm not trying to bait you. I'm trying to get you to shut the fuck up or at least babble about something DIFFERENT, instead of making your usual gibberish fit EVERY SINGLE TOPIC.
I presented an idea, elaborated upon it twice and then gave up when it appeared that no-one was interested. Back on page 5.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
We have the technology to do the latter (big fucking hammer), it seems, but not the former.
No, you just like using a big fucking hammer. At least the old TGRR didn't need to make up sanctimonious excuses about saving "proper good quality" posts from being buried. Even though making shit personal is the quickest way to bury any actual discussion. But you know, good luck re-inventing the Rocky Horror Picture Show, or whatever it is that you do now.
Quote from: FP on March 13, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
You're reading too much into the situation, FP. I'm not trying to bait you. I'm trying to get you to shut the fuck up or at least babble about something DIFFERENT, instead of making your usual gibberish fit EVERY SINGLE TOPIC.
I presented an idea, elaborated upon it twice and then gave up when it appeared that no-one was interested. Back on page 5.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
We have the technology to do the latter (big fucking hammer), it seems, but not the former.
No, you just like using a big fucking hammer. At least the old TGRR didn't need to make up sanctimonious excuses about saving "proper good quality" posts from being buried. Even though making shit personal is the quickest way to bury any actual discussion. But you know, good luck re-inventing the Rocky Horror Picture Show, or whatever it is that you do now.
Dude, if anyone's baiting here it's you. You are a master baiter. Now kindly STFU.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 07:01:15 PM
SORRY, EOC, THE PURPOSE OF DIS HERE FRED IS TO DROWN OUT WELL-THOUGHT OUT ANSWERS WITH THREE LINE POSTS DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW SMART EACH OF US IS. SAID POSTS SHOULD SUGGEST A MAJOR ALTERATION OF THE BOARD, OR THAT "ADDITION TECHNOLOGY" IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SIMPLE FUCKING CONVERSATION. YOUR POST WILL NOW BE BURIED ALONGSIDE THE OTHER ONES.
DAMMIT!
I knew I was in trouble when I clicked the "Post" button and got "13 New Messages have been posted" in the something less than 10 minutes it took me to type up.
Well we can disregard it all, I guess the point is aptly proven.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: Earthbound Spirit on March 13, 2010, 07:32:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 13, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 13, 2010, 12:05:47 AM
I'm not really sure whether I would classify as one of EHC's ideal PD'ers. I mean, hell, I haven't even been here an entire year and I haven't really contributed much in the way of good writing. But for what it's worth, HFLS is right. This is elitism if I ever saw it. I hope this doesn't go through, because I really like it here, but if it does then I'm gone. Fluff isn't the only sign that a forum's gone downhill.
The forum hasn't gone downhill. There is, over the last 2 years, more content than there ever has been here.
Trust me.
You want to see what this forum looked like in 2003/2004? Go here: hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?board=10.0
Another mention..... :lulz:
What's your fucking point? You're being used as a bad example.
Look at that subforum and tell me that's unfair. I dare ya.
An attempt at humor.
I know that. I'm trying to make my own way.
Relax.
It was me. It was me who killed this forum. :cry:
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
Games are games.
Once again I'd like to point out that content is what I'm interested in, and fluff is what you're interested in.
Extrapolate to be subjectively true for everyone.
Wait, what are you saying?
I am saying that what's "fluff" and what's "content" is highly subjective.
I think that the music, comic book, and game threads are "fluff".
Someone else thinks that the love life, cooking, and beer threads are "fluff".
Yet another person thinks that the health, depression, and financial woe threads are "fluff".
But if the music, comic book, and game threads inspire someone to make music, write a comic, or design a game, and then post it here, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
If the love life, cooking, and beer threads inspire someone to write poetry and short stories, to create new recipes, or to discover a brewing technique, and they share it here, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
If the health, depression, and financial woe threads inspire essays, psycho letters, and discourse on the economy, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
One man's fluff is another man's fodder. You may hate everything I've ever written; every poem, every essay, every story. You may hate every poster I've made. I may think you have nothing interesting to talk about at all. I may skip all your posts, or not even notice that you've posted at all.
Fluff is part of the creative process. You want to see a board that's filled with ungodly, unimaginable volumes of fluff? Try art forums. Fuuuuuuuck. But there you will also find volumes of technical advice and amazing artwork/writing, and if subforums are categorized correctly then you know where to look for "actual content" and where to avoid for "fluff".
I'm not saying that every contributor is equally valuable. Someone who only ever talks about shoes and the cockroaches in their apartment is probably not much of a contributor, and maybe that kind of inanity is best self-moderated to a dull roar... not asking ourselves only if the subject is interesting/amusing, but whether the way we're presenting it is interesting/amusing. But I do wonder about the people who complain about threads and posts that they don't personally find valuable or interesting, and that is pretty much their only contribution to the forum.
I'd rather have the guy talking about shoes and cockroaches; at least that might make an interesting short story.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 13, 2010, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
Games are games.
Once again I'd like to point out that content is what I'm interested in, and fluff is what you're interested in.
Extrapolate to be subjectively true for everyone.
Wait, what are you saying?
I am saying that what's "fluff" and what's "content" is highly subjective.
I think that the music, comic book, and game threads are "fluff".
Someone else thinks that the love life, cooking, and beer threads are "fluff".
Yet another person thinks that the health, depression, and financial woe threads are "fluff".
But if the music, comic book, and game threads inspire someone to make music, write a comic, or design a game, and then post it here, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
If the love life, cooking, and beer threads inspire someone to write poetry and short stories, to create new recipes, or to discover a brewing technique, and they share it here, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
If the health, depression, and financial woe threads inspire essays, psycho letters, and discourse on the economy, are they fluff, or are they fodder?
One man's fluff is another man's fodder. You may hate everything I've ever written; every poem, every essay, every story. You may hate every poster I've made. I may think you have nothing interesting to talk about at all. I may skip all your posts, or not even notice that you've posted at all.
Fluff is part of the creative process. You want to see a board that's filled with ungodly, unimaginable volumes of fluff? Try art forums. Fuuuuuuuck. But there you will also find volumes of technical advice and amazing artwork/writing, and if subforums are categorized correctly then you know where to look for "actual content" and where to avoid for "fluff".
I'm not saying that every contributor is equally valuable. Someone who only ever talks about shoes and the cockroaches in their apartment is probably not much of a contributor, and maybe that kind of inanity is best self-moderated to a dull roar... not asking ourselves only if the subject is interesting/amusing, but whether the way we're presenting it is interesting/amusing. But I do wonder about the people who complain about threads and posts that they don't personally find valuable or interesting, and that is pretty much their only contribution to the forum.
I'd rather have the guy talking about shoes and cockroaches; at least that might make an interesting short story.
Sry, misread your post the first time I read it. After I thought about it I realized what you meant. But, yeah. I agree.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 13, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
I might be wrong here but it just sounds like ECH is sick of reading through all the dribble to get to the good stuff and wants to do some work elsewhere with the people that do post content.
Maybe?
It seems reasonable to me. I mean, I wouldn't feel excluded if I wasn't invited to join in the reindeer games because, admittedly, I don't often post anything worth looking at.
So why not have a different place with good stuff happening and leave this place to get the juices flowing and keep up the inspiration for it?
It just sounds like putting good work in another "folder", so to speak.
Or am I wrong.
Stop it. That sort of reasonable thinking (you're exactly right, BTW) will lead you down a dark path.
And Nigel, you're conflating two separate issues. I'm not crying about a lack of content. The constant "this is what's going on in my day, today" bullshit threads would piss me off this much even if every other thread on the board at the time was the best thread ever posted. Sometimes, if you don't have anything worthwhile to share with the board, it's OK to just not hit the "post" button. Alot of people seem to have lost sight of that. I don't agree that this place needs a constant stream of verbal diarrhea to produce occasionally worthy nuggets, and in fact it seems to me that it happens less often when people are just babbling about inane shit.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 13, 2010, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 13, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
I might be wrong here but it just sounds like ECH is sick of reading through all the dribble to get to the good stuff and wants to do some work elsewhere with the people that do post content.
Maybe?
It seems reasonable to me. I mean, I wouldn't feel excluded if I wasn't invited to join in the reindeer games because, admittedly, I don't often post anything worth looking at.
So why not have a different place with good stuff happening and leave this place to get the juices flowing and keep up the inspiration for it?
It just sounds like putting good work in another "folder", so to speak.
Or am I wrong.
Stop it. That sort of reasonable thinking (you're exactly right, BTW) will lead you down a dark path.
And Nigel, you're conflating two separate issues. I'm not crying about a lack of content. The constant "this is what's going on in my day, today" bullshit threads would piss me off this much even if every other thread on the board at the time was the best thread ever posted. Sometimes, if you don't have anything worthwhile to share with the board, it's OK to just not hit the "post" button. Alot of people seem to have lost sight of that. I don't agree that this place needs a constant stream of verbal diarrhea to produce occasionally worthy nuggets, and in fact it seems to me that it happens less often when people are just babbling about inane shit.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
I'm not saying that every contributor is equally valuable. Someone who only ever talks about shoes and the cockroaches in their apartment is probably not much of a contributor, and maybe that kind of inanity is best self-moderated to a dull roar... not asking ourselves only if the subject is interesting/amusing, but whether the way we're presenting it is interesting/amusing.
My suggestion is for people let the "what I did today" crap collection threads be, instead of posting snarky comments in them about how pointless they are, which invariably leads to a blowout and people taking sides. And you know, attention is attention, if you know what I mean. IMO it encourages the exact type of threads you're trying to discourage. No, Apple Talk doesn't need 500 "What I Ate Today" and "ZOMG My Butt!" threads, which is one reason leaving Open Bar and maybe even a "fuckitty fuck my life sucks" thread open, and not shitting it up with disapproval and snark about its very existence (and I'm
not looking at you on this one), is not a bad idea.
I mean, this forum has had at least one "Youtube", one "What You're Listening To", one "fuckitty fuck this month sucks" and some version of Open Bar for the entire two and a half years I've been here. Seems like a working system, if we can encourage people to post in them instead of starting a new thread every time the guy in the next office farts.
Also, for everyone's information, my stupid love life is supposed to be a chronicle of my "series of beautiful, hilarious disasters", a ghetto for my posts about dating, an easy reference pool, not a sympathy thread or a battleground. Sometimes I'll go all mushy and boring, sometimes I'll go all bitter and boring, but as long as the occasional freak sticks his finger in my ear and I can end up garnering a laugh or two, I'm going to consider it worth the time I spend exposing the (usually) embarrassing details of my attempts to date.
Also, ECH, you can disagree all you want, and I can't speak for your creative process, but I can speak for mine, and for my own observations about other people.
Did someone mention crushing the internets as a whole?
This is something I can support.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
OK, you have a point, but have you ever posted an original essay or rant or anything? I don't recall seeing any content from you at all over the last 2.5 years. Which is, of course, not anything I have a problem with, I just think it's funny that you hate fluff so much when you don't produce any content yourself.
Two threads in or Kill me in the last year, roughly 5-10 hours a week working on the site and making sure the site doesn't go down, the edition of the black iron prison for this site (that is adapted from the pdf obviously not source material), a string of forums in OM (what I came here for originally, its a shame that so many people here suck at trolling now).
But you're right I'm a critic, especially so now that I work full time, I call out what I see as stupid and I salute what I see as good.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
BTW, I don't know if the six hundred various game threads are considered "content" but I think they're totally stupid and I don't read them.
Also, I think that anyone who is bitching about fluff but has not posted a single original essay, piece of fiction, or other artwork over the last year needs to suck up the whining and create some goddamn content.
Tell everyone what they can and cant post nigel please.
I have no problem with people posting fluff, just as long as they have no problem with me attacking them over it.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 02:40:23 AM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 13, 2010, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 13, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I detest the fluff threads and think there are way too many threads for peoples personal lives at the moment but I'm not going to rail against them.
Instead whenever they annoy me I troll the shit out of them and make them unpleasant for everyone reading them.
OK, you have a point, but have you ever posted an original essay or rant or anything? I don't recall seeing any content from you at all over the last 2.5 years. Which is, of course, not anything I have a problem with, I just think it's funny that you hate fluff so much when you don't produce any content yourself.
Two threads in or Kill me in the last year, roughly 5-10 hours a week working on the site and making sure the site doesn't go down, the edition of the black iron prison for this site (that is adapted from the pdf obviously not source material), a string of forums in OM (what I came here for originally, its a shame that so many people here suck at trolling now).
But you're right I'm a critic, especially so now that I work full time, I call out what I see as stupid and I salute what I see as good.
:) All this, AND you're pretty.
Quote from: Nast on March 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
It was me. It was me who killed this forum. :cry:
YOU BITCH!
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 02:45:56 AM
:) All this, AND you're pretty.
you tried the patronizing angle already, you were too drunk to pull it off right.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 02:45:56 AM
:) All this, AND you're pretty.
you tried the patronizing angle already, you were too drunk to pull it off right.
It made me laugh, therefore I consider it a success.
Obviously I wasn't that drunk, because I still remember it...
... oh, and you are really quite a gorgeous thing. Makes it hard to ever really get mad at you.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 02:50:07 AM
... oh, and you are really quite a gorgeous thing. Makes it hard to ever really get mad at you.
Is that what you are supposed to be? I was told attack is perfectly fine thing to do on shitty threads so I'm going to keep doing that, because its more interesting then whats posted otherwise, I don't care if anyone gets mad.
Of course I'm not mad. :)
Fuck this noise. I've been told that we're going out in 15 minutes, and that I should bring guns, condoms, and plenty of cash.
Y'all keep fighting, I'm gonna go hang out with deviants.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 02:47:24 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
It was me. It was me who killed this forum. :cry:
YOU BITCH!
This thread's gonna get cattier than a Yaz commercial, so everyone had better watch out!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 03:23:15 AM
Fuck this noise. I've been told that we're going out in 15 minutes, and that I should bring guns, condoms, and plenty of cash.
Y'all keep fighting, I'm gonna go hang out with deviants.
Pretty much this. It's not like anything is going to change.
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 03:44:15 AM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 02:47:24 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
It was me. It was me who killed this forum. :cry:
YOU BITCH!
This thread's gonna get cattier than a Yaz commercial, so everyone had better watch out!
this.
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
Quote from: Nast on March 13, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
It was me. It was me who killed this forum. :cry:
you killed cock robin? :lulz:
:lulz:
maybe we should set the site up so all the content is free, but apple talk requires a subscription fee.
Faust, I think I've found our retirement plan.
Oh shit.
Well, I guess I'll just have to start writing things that are worth a damn in the other forums.
:mad:
can we wear turbans in facecordia?
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
:|
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 14, 2010, 09:02:54 AM
Oh shit.
Well, I guess I'll just have to start writing things that are worth a damn in the other forums.
:mad:
Or spam the other forums with our facebook bitchings. :D
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
MORE CONTENT :argh!:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
:|
Hey, I consider threads like this in the same catagory, lets discuss what we should all discuss.
or find another board full of srs bznz and spam it up with our apple talk nonsense.
for kicks.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
:|
Hey, I consider threads like this in the same catagory, lets discuss what we should all discuss.
What's to discuss? Apple Talk is for fluff. Any content you get there is a bonus.
Also, what's your plan for reducing the "utterly worthless shit"?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:59:38 PM
What's to discuss? Apple Talk is for fluff. Any content you get there is a bonus.
Yes it is, thats not the point I was making, I was pointing out the sillyness of threads like this that blow up to huge amounts of pages discussing what we should all be discussing, its dumb.
Quote
Also, what's your plan for reducing the "utterly worthless shit"?
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
And this will reduce or add to the drama?
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 14, 2010, 09:02:54 AM
Oh shit.
Well, I guess I'll just have to start writing things that are worth a damn in the other forums.
:mad:
Or spam the other forums with our facebook bitchings. :D
IWDYAFY. All of you.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
THIS.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
And this will reduce or add to the drama?
It will make me feel better. And frankly, I secretly hope every time I say something shitty in a thread started by someone who
only starts stupid personal-drama blog threads (and you know who you are) that one day that person will get so bent out of shape at what I said that they will flounce from this fucking site entirely and never come back.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 14, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
And this will reduce or add to the drama?
It will make me feel better. And frankly, I secretly hope every time I say something shitty in a thread started by someone who only starts stupid personal-drama blog threads (and you know who you are) that one day that person will get so bent out of shape at what I said that they will flounce from this fucking site entirely and never come back.
FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU, LOBSTERHEAD! IMA RUN AWAY AND JOIN THE CIRCUS!
Dok,
Biting heads off of bats and knowing you'll be sorry.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
OH NO
Does that mean you will have to stop posting about comic books?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
:|
Hey, I consider threads like this in the same catagory, lets discuss what we should all discuss.
What's to discuss? Apple Talk is for fluff. Any content you get there is a bonus.
Also, what's your plan for reducing the "utterly worthless shit"?
His plan is banal commentary, same as it ever was.
so what then counts as content? and what is crap?
is my beer review stuff in the food place crap?
are the movie reviews, games and other things that don't interest me crap?
or is it stuff that you don't like?
it's kinda hard to tell what's crap and what's not until you've posted it and pissed someone off.
Does any of this really matter? Since its all about what will be happening on another site anyway, I fail to see the problem here.
90%+ of the posts ITT are people bitching simply because it feels good to piss and moan and get outraged over trivial shit (which it does sometimes, admit it). Which 90% I leave as an exercise for the reader to complete.
Quote from: Performance. Environment. Actuators. Sensors. on March 14, 2010, 02:33:24 AM
Did someone mention crushing the internets as a whole?
This is something I can support.
As I understand it, the project has a wider vision that simply that.
However, it is not incompatible with the overall aims of the program.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
OH NO
Does that mean you will have to stop posting about comic books?
No, I will increase it.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:40:43 AM
Quote from: Nast on March 14, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
NOW EVERYONE GET IN A CIRCLE AND HAVE SOME GODDAMN COCKTAIL-SIPPING GIRL TALK
NO
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUCKING CONTENT GODDAMNIT!!!
I'm of the opinion the forum is getting enough "content", but it could do with less of the utterly worthless shit.
:|
Hey, I consider threads like this in the same catagory, lets discuss what we should all discuss.
What's to discuss? Apple Talk is for fluff. Any content you get there is a bonus.
Also, what's your plan for reducing the "utterly worthless shit"?
His plan is banal commentary, same as it ever was.
oh no dearie, its suffocation I'm talking about, hot sexy asphyxiation.
I just chose banal commentary because of your damaged goods way of looking for drama where there is none.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
And this will reduce or add to the drama?
Shouldn't push it either way.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 14, 2010, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 14, 2010, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 14, 2010, 09:02:54 AM
Oh shit.
Well, I guess I'll just have to start writing things that are worth a damn in the other forums.
:mad:
Or spam the other forums with our facebook bitchings. :D
IWDYAFY. All of you.
I wanna dance yell and fling yaks?
SPS,
doesn't know what IWDYAFY means
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 14, 2010, 06:11:15 PM
so what then counts as content? and what is crap?
is my beer review stuff in the food place crap?
are the movie reviews, games and other things that don't interest me crap?
or is it stuff that you don't like?
it's kinda hard to tell what's crap and what's not until you've posted it and pissed someone off.
This.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 07:37:34 PM
I just chose banal commentary because of your damaged goods way of looking for drama where there is none.
...says the baby whore whose only contribution is drama.
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
Nothing out of the usual, when I see a thread that sucks I say so in it.
And this will reduce or add to the drama?
Shouldn't push it either way.
Not so sure about that. You have the stated intent of being hurtful for no appreciable gain. I think that's going to be counterproductive.
All I know is that the bickering finally stopped, and now it's going again for no fucking reason whatsoever. It will never stop, because none of you want it to stop.
And then everyone bitches about "a lack of content". Well, why the fuck WOULD anyone put any work into anything, if you guys are going to bury everything in pointless arguments and deliberate nasty comments toward anything you, personally, do not view as "worthy content"?
Fuck that. I'm on hiatus. Sorry to the other three I was plotting the next level of the letters with. I'm out.
Dok,
Fucking disgusted.
Would you all like to stop being insecure for a moment and actually hold a conversation without resorting to some form of threat, blackmail or hysterical overreaction? This goes for people on both sides of this argument.
Thanks.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 08:25:50 PM
Would you all like to stop being insecure for a moment and actually hold a conversation without resorting to some form of threat, blackmail or hysterical overreaction? This goes for people on both sides of this argument.
Thanks.
It's not blackmail, Cain. It's just my contribution to the free market.
No, its blackmail and you know it. You're threatening to punish people working with you on creative projects (or those who enjoy them) unless certain actions are not undertaken.
Which is just as bad as Faust threatening to troll every thread that doesn't meet his subjective standards.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
No, its blackmail and you know it. You're threatening to punish people working with you on creative projects (or those who enjoy them) unless certain actions are not undertaken.
Which is just as bad as Faust threatening to troll every thread that doesn't meet his subjective standards.
Edit: Never mind. Done arguing.
Also, while I'm here, ECH, if this is about undertaking a project at another site, why does anything need to be done to this place at all? While we can all sit around and discuss our innermost feelings about Teh Fluff, its entirely irrelevant to the point of this thread. I mean, honestly, who gives a fuck?
Um.
I think that if things do continue in this vein, it is very likely that a lot of the creative people here WILL seek more fertile grounds, simply by default of not especially enjoying being derided when they're doing anything besides busily creating someone's idea of "content".
This thread, and the bickering in general, is totally depressing. I'd flounce if it weren't for the fact that there isn't anything else to do but post on PD for me.
Just saying. :sad:
Perhaps. What I had in mind was that it actually doesn't really do much, except shut the other side up. Its the verbal equivalent of aerial bombing - causes a big mess and just manages to further entrench people in their particular worldview. It changes very little, if anything. And similar reactions by people who hold the opposing view are just the same. If changing this site's attitude towards fluff is the goal, then discussion and reasoned argument is the way to do it, persuasively arguing one's position and causing others to rethink theirs.
Since this about starting a particular project, with its own standards and goals elsewhere, the fluff nonsense only deserved to be brought up as a peripheral issue, instead of being made into the main point of contention.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 08:58:04 PM
Perhaps. What I had in mind was that it actually doesn't really do much, except shut the other side up. Its the verbal equivalent of aerial bombing - causes a big mess and just manages to further entrench people in their particular worldview. It changes very little, if anything. And similar reactions by people who hold the opposing view are just the same. If changing this site's attitude towards fluff is the goal, then discussion and reasoned argument is the way to do it, persuasively arguing one's position and causing others to rethink theirs.
Since this about starting a particular project, with its own standards and goals elsewhere, the fluff nonsense only deserved to be brought up as a peripheral issue, instead of being made into the main point of contention.
OK, I totally agree with you. However, I did not at all get that the point of this thread was "Hey, let's go start this project" rather than "hey, the shit you people are posting here sucks".
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Not to the people enjoying them.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 08:58:04 PM
Perhaps. What I had in mind was that it actually doesn't really do much, except shut the other side up. Its the verbal equivalent of aerial bombing - causes a big mess and just manages to further entrench people in their particular worldview. It changes very little, if anything. And similar reactions by people who hold the opposing view are just the same. If changing this site's attitude towards fluff is the goal, then discussion and reasoned argument is the way to do it, persuasively arguing one's position and causing others to rethink theirs.
Since this about starting a particular project, with its own standards and goals elsewhere, the fluff nonsense only deserved to be brought up as a peripheral issue, instead of being made into the main point of contention.
OK, I totally agree with you. However, I did not at all get that the point of this thread was "Hey, let's go start this project" rather than "hey, the shit you people are posting here sucks".
It certainly seems to have morphed through the discussion. I don't think a single person can be blamed (people pick up on a point, other people argue against it, insults start being thrown around and the argument becomes a point of honour rather than a simple disagreement), but someone should've attempted to rectify it before now.
The central point definitely could've been made better, too, which doesn't help.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Not to the people enjoying them.
Troof.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 14, 2010, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Not to the people enjoying them.
That is exactly the point I am trying to make.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 08:58:04 PM
Perhaps. What I had in mind was that it actually doesn't really do much, except shut the other side up. Its the verbal equivalent of aerial bombing - causes a big mess and just manages to further entrench people in their particular worldview. It changes very little, if anything. And similar reactions by people who hold the opposing view are just the same. If changing this site's attitude towards fluff is the goal, then discussion and reasoned argument is the way to do it, persuasively arguing one's position and causing others to rethink theirs.
Since this about starting a particular project, with its own standards and goals elsewhere, the fluff nonsense only deserved to be brought up as a peripheral issue, instead of being made into the main point of contention.
OK, I totally agree with you. However, I did not at all get that the point of this thread was "Hey, let's go start this project" rather than "hey, the shit you people are posting here sucks".
It certainly seems to have morphed through the discussion. I don't think a single person can be blamed (people pick up on a point, other people argue against it, insults start being thrown around and the argument becomes a point of honour rather than a simple disagreement), but someone should've attempted to rectify it before now.
The central point definitely could've been made better, too, which doesn't help.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. I think that I am often too vested in sarcasm to make a point properly.
Nigel (raised without formal debating skills)
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Its a difficult line to draw, I agree. I think a certain level of fluff is necessary and unavoidable, and trying to clamp down on it is impossible. At the same time, my creative processes seem very similar to 000, in that mainly the creative productions of others are what inspire me, and I find too much personal chat to be draining (this could be because of my partially introspective nature, I will admit). Therefore I think its a question of striking the balance, rather than siding with entirely one side or the other.
It also may be a simple fact of sociology that when you reach a certain number of people, with a certain amount of shared history and interactions in other arenas, that those sort of conversations proliferate. No-one can be creative all the time, but by writing about mostly personal events and goings ons, they may be able to get attention, or sympathy, or at least some form of interest from others (most people want to be polite, even if such a topic doesn't interest them that much). And while that is, in my opinion, a lesser form of attention than the kind of attention creative output produces, its also a much easier one to obtain. It also gives people a licence to talk about their own life and personal events, and get things off
their chest. It then becomes a sort of feedback loop, as it becomes more acceptable and easier to do. I know I was certainly guilty of this kind of behaviour, when I was going through a rough patch and had nearly no-one (that is, no-one IRL) who was interested in listening. It is something I'm trying to stop doing, because I recognise it is contributing to something I dislike, but I can see how people fall into it, as a pattern of behaviour.
Thats me trying to look at the fluff thing from a sympathetic POV anyway.
Didn't we already do this thread 3 months ago? :? Let me know when you bitches are done whining.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 14, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Didn't we already do this thread 3 months ago? :? Let me know when you bitches are done whining.
Probably. I'm hoping interjecting some reason into this dispute, instead of merely relying on the usual tactics of this place (complain, COMPLAIN LOUDER, threaten, get emotional, refuse to talk to people) might actually resolve something.
It might not. But the other way doesn't seem to be working.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:17:27 PM
Thank you for being a voice of reason. I think that I am often too vested in sarcasm to make a point properly.
Nigel (raised without formal debating skills)
That's perfectly alright. It's nice to have a discussion like this, where we both come from different positions, yet are trying to move towards some sort of common ground, or at the very least evaluate points of disagreement in an open and considered manner.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Its a difficult line to draw, I agree. I think a certain level of fluff is necessary and unavoidable, and trying to clamp down on it is impossible. At the same time, my creative processes seem very similar to 000, in that mainly the creative productions of others are what inspire me, and I find too much personal chat to be draining (this could be because of my partially introspective nature, I will admit). Therefore I think its a question of striking the balance, rather than siding with entirely one side or the other.
It also may be a simple fact of sociology that when you reach a certain number of people, with a certain amount of shared history and interactions in other arenas, that those sort of conversations proliferate. No-one can be creative all the time, but by writing about mostly personal events and goings ons, they may be able to get attention, or sympathy, or at least some form of interest from others (most people want to be polite, even if such a topic doesn't interest them that much). And while that is, in my opinion, a lesser form of attention than the kind of attention creative output produces, its also a much easier one to obtain. It also gives people a licence to talk about their own life and personal events, and get things off their chest. It then becomes a sort of feedback loop, as it becomes more acceptable and easier to do. I know I was certainly guilty of this kind of behaviour, when I was going through a rough patch and had nearly no-one (that is, no-one IRL) who was interested in listening. It is something I'm trying to stop doing, because I recognise it is contributing to something I dislike, but I can see how people fall into it, as a pattern of behaviour.
Thats me trying to look at the fluff thing from a sympathetic POV anyway.
I have to say, I think that while spouting about your personal troubles may be embarrassing, it also, IME, not only helps people through rough patches and creates sympathy, but also, especially if you learn to create an element of hyperbole around it, encourages creative writing.
Fuck sake, look at Roger and Richter, and you yourself, writing about being at work. Boring fucking subject, right? Sure, until you fucking WRITE about it, and build a borderline mythology around your experiences.
Hmm, this is interesting, I want to pick this apart a bit.
For me there is a fairly big difference to a creative piece based on a (for example) work related event and talk about it. It's hard to define, but the level of effort and engagement that goes into it is certainly a factor, though there are certainly others. I think I'm generally a lot more sympathetic to what could be considered fluff when effort, creativity and an engaging spectacle arise from it, like most people, even if it's not something I personally find interesting. Someone mixing their experiences with creative effort, I can appreciate that, if only for the work and time it took.
But here is a counter-example, I've thought of. People, especially in Apple Talk, like to occasionally post links to Youtube, with little or no content, and maybe a smiley, as individual threads. That doesn't annoy me because there is already a thread for Youtube links (well, OK, it annoys me a little bit for that reason), but more because I don't see any reason to click on it, or why the person in question posted it, except perhaps to share an experience they enjoyed. What I would find far more interesting is if the person took a short time, maybe only even a couple of lines, to tell us why they wanted to share that, or what about it appealed to them. That gives me something to work with, to converse about. Otherwise, I'm just being invited to be a spectator, to consume a particular piece of media without reference or reason. Sometimes a reason isn't needed, of course. But I enjoy discourse, and dialogue. I much prefer to discuss and dissect something with people than merely share the experience with them. And this can be something as stupid as Family Guy's overreliance on gag humour and pop culture references, or as important as how we're being steadily reduced to serfdom by a rapacious ruling class. And everything inbetween.
Maybe that's the key, the interaction angle. I don't find myself able to interact well on a fluff level. No, I tell a lie: I am uncomfortable with interacting on a fluff level, even if I'm forced to do it in my everyday life. When I'm presented with stories of peoples everyday lives, where there are no specific problems, or nothing I can do except maybe commiserate, I find that deeply unsatisfying. Commiseration may help a person feel better about their situation, but without a problem to solve, a moral to draw, a point of some description or other that can lead into a wider, more fruitful and interesting discussion, I find myself getting annoyed and bored. It feels like I am being made into a spectator or consumer of their personal drama and turmoil, something I can only watch and not participate in or connect with.
If more personal drama or experiences were dealt with in the above-described creative manner, then I might be OK with it. But it seems to be increasingly the case that the site is treated as a personal support society of the distinctly boring and derivative kind. A lot of sites seem to develop along this route, including the aforementioned TCC, MW, Cellar etc where you have a tight knit group who are intimate with each other's lives in many ways. However, that same tight-knittedness does not seem to have served those sites well, making them distinctly uninteresting (except in a kind of bizarre, anthropological manner, in the same way a cargo cult of David Hasselhoff might be interesting) and uncreative. It may be these are unrelated, and that correlation does not equal causation. But at the same time, it doesn't look or feel very good. Even if they are harmless quirks of such sites, I would rather not replicate them, since I think it diminishes something of the unique nature of PD.com, which was of course a draw for many of us here, and helps attract other creative and intelligent people.
And while I'm still awake, I probably say some words on "the program" which has so mysteriously been alluded to several times in this post.
Note: this will involve a PD.com history lesson. Yes, it will be boring. No, this will not deter me. Yes, the 500 forum error (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24332.msg844563#msg844563) at 22:16 (UK time) was because I was doing a search related to this.
Basically, it was 2005. And everything sucked. The Warlord had been reconfirmed as leader of the free world, people we knew were dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason anyone could provide, evil bastards were boarding trains wearing vests packed with explosives and jabbering morons the world over were having the time of their lives.
Now some of the more politically minded of us were not especially happy with that. And we felt, as Discordians, this Evil Empire act was getting old, real fast. And maybe, as adherents of chaos in some sense, it would be entirely inappropriate to throw sand in some gears and generally be a nusciance to the powers that be. However, a lot of Discordians seemed to be OK with the act, so long as they were allowed to invent cute titles for themselves and jabber endlessly about fnords, right until the day the theocrats stuck them in a cage and allowed children to poke them with sticks.
There was also a desire to be more active generally. There was a lot of stuff going on in the forum but, well, you've seen the stuff that was being written around then, I don't have to tell any of you how embarrasing it all is. A lot of hot air was getting used up, but there was nothing like coordinated pranking or trolling going down, no PosterGASM or spreading malicious rumours. In all honesty, it sucked pretty bad.
When PD was mostly abandoned in 2006 for EB&G and their boarding of MysticWicks, things got pretty quiet over here. Some old timers held on, but with Lauren doing her absentee slumlord act, the site could be down for days without anyone fixing it. At some point, RWHN created his Discordian Network forum, and many of the old timers here, like Net, ECH, LMNO and myself went over there to continue on some work that had started on these boards - namely trying to update and rewrite some of the key ideas of the PD. This eventually metamorphosed into the BIP Project, but not without a lot of controversy beforehand.
When Lauren decided to abandon PD.com The Glorious Revolution of the 12th of October happened, ECH wanted this to be a place for those sort of Discordians to use to network, bounce ideas off each other, communicate and work on shared projects. The idea was the more Pagan-y or less politically interested Discordian could go to somewhere like EB&G, 23ae, POEE or even Myspace (if they were really unlucky), and this place would be for the sort of Discordian who wanted to take a more active role in the world, be it through O:MF, challenging peoples views or outright subversion.
However, we wanted to operate the forum on a fairly open policy of free speech and minimum moderation, both for generally ideological reasons, and because of the bullshit moves certain mods pulled on here back in the day, secretly editing the posts of people they disliked, harassing them with alts, selectively outing troll accounts and general shitiness. That meant people who weren't interested in such things, but still wanted to hang out here were more than welcome to do so, as long as they weren't trying to actively disrupt those who were working on things, or otherwise try and get those responsible for the forum into legal trouble.
And its from that period on that most people know of the forum, at least most people on here now, so I wont bore you with the rest of it.
Now it is quite likely the project may have changed in certain ways through the passage of time and change in internet culture we've seen over the past five years. The Warlord is gone, though the Boy Prince seems content to legitimize his actions in most ways. Christian theocrats still stalk the halls of power. Technocratic elites still seek to reduce government to the rational application of order, eliminating all random factors (including, you know, the input of voters) from the systems of social control. At the same time, blogs and new media have become more important. Hacking has found a new relevance as a possible weapon of war. New powers are blinking in the dawn of a post-American century, and discovering the meaning of multi-polarity. All these, as well as the personal, intellectual and spiritual journeys of those who may have considered themselves part of the original program will no doubt have an impact on what we hope to do today. But I think the essentials are still there.
And it might be the case that HIMEOBS is a better vehicle for such things. Discordian, while attracting many of the right sort of wierdoes and crazies, also attracts many sorts who may not be interested in such a thing, even though they are very capable and intelligent people, or people who I wouldn't trust alone with a toothbrush (because they'd invariably try to do something "wacky" with it, and I'd end up inserting it far up their rectum). Since this is something I retain an interest in, however, I think it is worth a shot. And I think THAT was the original, obscured point of this thread.
:mittens: to Cain.
The original, obscured point of this thread is relevant to my interests.
I wonder, is HIME0BS an effective tool for this, still?
Am I wrong in thinking that in the past, Googling HIMEOB5 would give you a small amount of disinformation and nothing else?
Now it links to here, urban dictionary (which while still containing the misinformation also just says "a bunch of trolls"), a (declassified?) guide to trolling, Verwirrung and the channel on Maddshark. Is H1MEOBS too outed to be used as it was?
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
I am not saying that everything that is posted here is worth reading. For instance, the comic book threads and game threads are a complete waste of bandwidth.
Its a difficult line to draw, I agree. I think a certain level of fluff is necessary and unavoidable, and trying to clamp down on it is impossible. At the same time, my creative processes seem very similar to 000, in that mainly the creative productions of others are what inspire me, and I find too much personal chat to be draining (this could be because of my partially introspective nature, I will admit). Therefore I think its a question of striking the balance, rather than siding with entirely one side or the other.
It also may be a simple fact of sociology that when you reach a certain number of people, with a certain amount of shared history and interactions in other arenas, that those sort of conversations proliferate. No-one can be creative all the time, but by writing about mostly personal events and goings ons, they may be able to get attention, or sympathy, or at least some form of interest from others (most people want to be polite, even if such a topic doesn't interest them that much). And while that is, in my opinion, a lesser form of attention than the kind of attention creative output produces, its also a much easier one to obtain. It also gives people a licence to talk about their own life and personal events, and get things off their chest. It then becomes a sort of feedback loop, as it becomes more acceptable and easier to do. I know I was certainly guilty of this kind of behaviour, when I was going through a rough patch and had nearly no-one (that is, no-one IRL) who was interested in listening. It is something I'm trying to stop doing, because I recognise it is contributing to something I dislike, but I can see how people fall into it, as a pattern of behaviour.
Thats me trying to look at the fluff thing from a sympathetic POV anyway.
I have to say, I think that while spouting about your personal troubles may be embarrassing, it also, IME, not only helps people through rough patches and creates sympathy, but also, especially if you learn to create an element of hyperbole around it, encourages creative writing.
Fuck sake, look at Roger and Richter, and you yourself, writing about being at work. Boring fucking subject, right? Sure, until you fucking WRITE about it, and build a borderline mythology around your experiences.
Thats not the kind of thing I'm complaining about, I was talking about no effort stuff. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind I will drop this and explain why I've been a dick for the last day, Much earlier on in the thread I pointed I made a flippant statement about attacking people over crappy threads, someone took it literally and said I should do that so I proceeded to do so as if it would prove some point. I'm sorry if I caused you any offence.
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Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 14, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
I have to say, I think that while spouting about your personal troubles may be embarrassing, it also, IME, not only helps people through rough patches and creates sympathy, but also, especially if you learn to create an element of hyperbole around it, encourages creative writing.
I, for one, did not come to PD.com for the creative writing. Cain said it, in 2005, just after I joined here, there was lots of stuff going on. I was there too, at RWHN's Discordian Network forum, participating in the discussions, even though I never wrote a full piece for the BIP.
A couple of people here are extremely good at creative writing, and I enjoy reading their works, but it is not the sole raison d'etre of PD and also should not be, IMO.
If something encourages creative writing, but also harms activity and productivity in other creative areas, I don't think that's a reason to pick one over the other.
We don't need to polarize it either. But I do feel that I am wading through inordinate amounts of fluff to get to the discussions I really want to sink my teeth in. And yeah, I'm probably partly guilty of that too. But just staying silent just cuts one voice from the murmuring crowd, nobody notices.
Also, I want to echo Nigel's thanks to Cain for being the voice of reason. As well as the history lesson :)
excellent history lesson.
wish i had that to read when i came here.
perhaps a 'mission statement' or an 'about' page would be useful for newbies?
or even a sticked thread?
'cause when i came here i wouldn't have guessed that that was the primary purpose for this place, and i'm guessing it's even less likely that a newbie would take it as such now....
You know...of course I did not read all the pages in this thread....However, I would like to thank those that keep it (this site) running (however it may be or whatever it may have turned to or will turn to or had been turned to).
I came here via someone who told me that like minded people are here to bounce shit off each other...the rest was my hope that one day, if that day came, that I would be able to help in the effort to rise up against the fucking cabbages/ignorant/fucked up people (although, that is hard to distinguish as EVERYONE has a different thought/belief/rationalization) and make a REAL LIFE IN PERSON change. (IMO writing till our/your eyes are blue can do not so much as can RL actions. Further than posting bumper stickers on some walls)
....'Till then, I come here to remind myself that I am not what I may think to be at times.
hmmm, That may not make sense to some, and that's ok.
Cain: That was an excellent history lesson and re-condensing of what ECH was getting at for someone who didn't fucking get it, ie. me.
Faust: You know what, I'm sorry for giving you shit. I did take you seriously and should have known better.
Also, ECH, I know from experience that you are a stand-up guy. I am sorry for completely misreading your argument. I can only offer in explanation that I had no idea what you were talking about until Cain clarified. Also, you know me. As always, I am down for any culture-jamming of other mischief you might propose.
Maphdet, if you really think writing does not effect social change, you haven't been paying attention.
Also, 000, I know that not everyone is interested in or capable of creative writing. This is not a writer's forum; it just happens that some of the people who like to contribute here are writers, and good ones. Read it or not, it's still A contribution.
As is Cram's LARP. Which makes me feel inutterably old and confused, but which is a damn contribution. As is PosterGasm and LMNO's music thing and all the other shit in that vein. We ARE doing things.
I agree that we should think about it before we post a new thread; if it's not an amusing story, if it's not something we're going to put time into and make funny and good, maybe a whole fucking thread does not need to be started about it. Am I a hypocrite?
OF COURSE I AM.
One thing I have noticed over the course of my life is that everyone adheres to certain principles, but makes exceptions for themselves. I am a fucking hypocrite, I do the exact things I bitch about, and it's just as fucking annoying when I do it.
Hmm I guess you are right in a way Calamity Nigel. However, I did not really say that writing does not effect a social change. Just that I am here for when that change does come through to a form other than writing, that I will be here to stand and fight for what I feel is worth fighting for. Also I am here to read the writing on the wall to allow me to rethink my position on myself and beliefs. If I did not think that writing caused thought process, I would not be here. But in reality I want more...If I can ever get outta my comfort zone (but that's a different thread).
So my statement of : (IMO writing till our/your eyes are blue can do not so much as can RL actions. Further than posting bumper stickers on some walls) came across in different way, my apologies.
Just trying to say that the writing on the walls helps ourselves realize. However, it does not bring forth the realization to Being.
Again, just my thoughts-and sometime those don't even make sense to me.
:mittens: to cain
Honestly, if I was better at it, I'd post some creative shit. But I just don't think I am, and a lot of what other people right just blows me away so much that I don't feel as though I have much to contribute. I'm definetely most comfortable in Apple Talk, even though it's major fluff because it's a nice mental break for me. I get to be silly, random, and batshit insane without people judging me, which is something that I'm not used to. IRL I've learned to keep myself tucked away in a neat little box, so when I get here the other side of my personality sorta explodes. If that bothers people I apologize as I've never meant to bother anyone. If it REALLY bothers people I suppose I could always pack up my shit over to EB&G so I'm not a bother to anyone.
Please just don't tell me we have to hug and make up now. I hate that shit.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 15, 2010, 04:29:10 AM
Please just don't tell me we have to hug and make up now. I hate that shit.
HUGGING
Not that we were ever fighting. But I like hugs, especially with hawt laydeez like Nigel. :fap:
Here, I turned the last 15 pages into a wordle splat, to show you the kind of language being used in this thread:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ET-SdQY3hlo/S53V_TP3hGI/AAAAAAAABUc/4QnD8WykSu4/s800/threadWordleFnord.jpg)
:lulz:
How in the world did the word "pink" get in there?
Has SPS been posting in this thread?
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 15, 2010, 06:44:20 AM
Has SPS been posting in this thread?
O I C
Still made me titter
Notice that Dimo is the only thing separating the content from the fluff. What does it all mean?
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 15, 2010, 06:45:40 AM
Notice that Dimo is the only thing separating the content from the fluff. What does it all mean?
CURSE YUO DIMO! :argh!:
:lulz:
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 15, 2010, 06:45:40 AM
Notice that Dimo is the only thing separating the content from the fluff. What does it all mean?
:spit: :retard: :apple:
It is I who spagged up the word thingy with PINK!
Also, this means one thing. DIMO MUST BE DESTROYED!
Aw some day my moodsig will look as awesome as that :) Actually afaict the only thing it needs is 90 degrees rotated words and a better size/ranking system.
Quote from: Telarus on March 15, 2010, 06:39:20 AM
Here, I turned the last 15 pages into a wordle splat, to show you the kind of language being used in this thread:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ET-SdQY3hlo/S53V_TP3hGI/AAAAAAAABUc/4QnD8WykSu4/s800/threadWordleFnord.jpg)
:mittens:
If I may, perhaps what seperates fluff from non-fluff is not creativity, skill, or talent.
Perhaps it is a matter of Effort; that is, how much time and consideration went into a post or a thread?
For example, there seems to be a noticible difference between a thread that says, "I just had tacos for dinner!" and a thread that tells a story about the dinner you had, or shows how you made the tacos, or has a WOMP of Dick Cheney force-feeding tacos to Fred.
Similarly, when responding to a thread or a post, you could tag a handful of smileys, or a quick IAWTC, or you could use the post to bounce off it and contribute something further to the conversation or take in in a new direction. While the former would seem to be fluff-like, the latter would usually not.
This even extends to the absurdist non-sequitor posts that are about humor, running jokes, and other gags. Often times, clever flashes of wit may strike quickly, but the effort to be funny is still there, and still engages people on a level higher than "Me, too" replies.
In this manner, we can separate the threads where people discuss the things they enjoy in-depth, or are otherwise making an effort in their posts from the threads where people are parroting or simply dashing off a reply simply for the sake of hitting the "post" button.
You don't have to be a good writer, you don't have to have talent, you don't even have to be intelligent... You just have to take the time and put some effort into what you post.
Eh, I dunno. It sounded reasonable at the time.
LMNO is correct, for the most part.
I know that when I write something, I typically prefer to see a response, rather than just mittens.
Hm yeah, sometimes I wonder about that, cause on the one hand I feel a bit stupid for not adding more to a thread than just mittens or "awesome" or "I really enjoyed that" or "reads like a train" or something. But on the other hand, I also wan the author to know that I read, and did enjoy their piece a lot. Because if they don't get any replies they might think nobody liked it or that nobody took the time to read it, or stopped after two paragraphs.
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 15, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
Hm yeah, sometimes I wonder about that, cause on the one hand I feel a bit stupid for not adding more to a thread than just mittens or "awesome" or "I really enjoyed that" or "reads like a train" or something. But on the other hand, I also wan the author to know that I read, and did enjoy their piece a lot. Because if they don't get any replies they might think nobody liked it or that nobody took the time to read it, or stopped after two paragraphs.
Any reply is better than none after you puke out a rant.
But responses still > emotes.
Well, some things are indeed self-contained, and it's always good to hear that people at least looked at it.
But a post with one long rant and 20 "wow" posts isn't really a fluff thread, IMO.
Quote from: LMNO on March 15, 2010, 04:02:56 PM
Well, some things are indeed self-contained, and it's always good to hear that people at least looked at it.
But a post with one long rant and 20 "wow" posts isn't really a fluff thread, IMO.
Sure.
But I am also concerned about the new stance on fluff threads in general. While I personally don't have much use for them, that IS the purpose of Apple Talk, and I don't see that riding people for it is going to improve things.
You're absolutely right, AT is not the place to chide people for being fluffy.
Quote from: Telarus on March 15, 2010, 06:39:20 AM
Here, I turned the last 15 pages into a wordle splat, to show you the kind of language being used in this thread:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ET-SdQY3hlo/S53V_TP3hGI/AAAAAAAABUc/4QnD8WykSu4/s800/threadWordleFnord.jpg)
This is really cool. It kinda put things into perspective in a weird way.
Every time we troll a board, or nearly every time, we come away with their best users, because they don't feel like dealing with an overbearing environment.
Their best users. Not the mediocre ones, not the bitchy board nannies, etc.
There is no guarantee that won't happen to us, if we decide it's time to lean on everyone with some arbitrary and ill-defined standard of what is acceptable in AT.
Quote from: Sparkley Pink Shit on March 15, 2010, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 15, 2010, 04:29:10 AM
Please just don't tell me we have to hug and make up now. I hate that shit.
HUGGING
Not that we were ever fighting. But I like hugs, especially with hawt laydeez like Nigel. :fap:
MMMM BOOBEHS! :fap:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
Every time we troll a board, or nearly every time, we come away with their best users, because they don't feel like dealing with an overbearing environment.
Their best users. Not the mediocre ones, not the bitchy board nannies, etc.
There is no guarantee that won't happen to us, if we decide it's time to lean on everyone with some arbitrary and ill-defined standard of what is acceptable in AT.
I don't recall seeing that anyone anywhere said anything about enforcing any sort of standards for post content. Or does bitching about the fact that people are just posting verbal diarrhea with no regard to making it funny or interesting count as an attempt at "enforcement" just because it's coming from me?
if so, I do this ----> :lol: at anyone who actually thinks that.
also, please point me to the last poster that stuck around long-term as the result of us boarding another forum. I think it's been quite some time since anyone like that looked around here and decided to stay.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
also, please point me to the last poster that stuck around long-term as the result of us boarding another forum. I think it's been quite some time since anyone like that looked around here and decided to stay.
NotPublished would be the most recent one, I think.
and therein lies the real root of the problem, for me. I'm not bitching about this because "OMG THIS IS MY FORUM AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO MY STANDARDS OR ELSE!", I'm bitching about it because I honestly think that this site is turning into something that will stop attracting the sort of userbase that it has historically attracted. Honestly, if I had never heard of this site and saw it today for the first time, my reaction would be more "huh, there might be a handful of things here worth checking out, if I can stand to pick through the drivel" as opposed to "hot shit! I gotta get with these cats and work on some projects with them!", and that really fucking bothers me because I want this place to be compelling to the kind of people that have that creative energy to burn. Frankly, I'm getting pretty pissed that I keep feeling like I need to defend that viewpoint from backhanded accusations of "elitism" or whatever stupid shit some of you are saying that pretty fucking well oughtta know better. It's not like I'm MAKING you post one way or another, and it's not like there aren't a fucking million other outlets on the internet for you to babble on about stupid shit that you can't be bothered to even try to create something interesting or pointed out of, so basically everyone who has nothing more to say than "DOOD STOP BEING SUCH A NAZI ABOUT CONTENT!" can choke on six miles of infected rectal polyps.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:10:28 PM
and therein lies the real root of the problem, for me. I'm not bitching about this because "OMG THIS IS MY FORUM AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO MY STANDARDS OR ELSE!", I'm bitching about it because I honestly think that this site is turning into something that will stop attracting the sort of userbase that it has historically attracted. Honestly, if I had never heard of this site and saw it today for the first time, my reaction would be more "huh, there might be a handful of things here worth checking out, if I can stand to pick through the drivel" as opposed to "hot shit! I gotta get with these cats and work on some projects with them!", and that really fucking bothers me because I want this place to be compelling to the kind of people that have that creative energy to burn. Frankly, I'm getting pretty pissed that I keep feeling like I need to defend that viewpoint from backhanded accusations of "elitism" or whatever stupid shit some of you are saying that pretty fucking well oughtta know better. It's not like I'm MAKING you post one way or another, and it's not like there aren't a fucking million other outlets on the internet for you to babble on about stupid shit that you can't be bothered to even try to create something interesting or pointed out of, so basically everyone who has nothing more to say than "DOOD STOP BEING SUCH A NAZI ABOUT CONTENT!" can choke on six miles of infected rectal polyps.
ECH, my earlier post concerning you and your motives still stands.
I am now simply expressing a concern or three.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
also, please point me to the last poster that stuck around long-term as the result of us boarding another forum. I think it's been quite some time since anyone like that looked around here and decided to stay.
Not Published, IIRC.
And we haven't gone on a raid in a while. Well, except for the Ellis tards, and only one of them made the grade (Infidel/ZazzyE, the only one still here).
We should do one, and soon.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
if so, I do this ----> :lol: at anyone who actually thinks that.
I'd have a hard time beleiving (most) people actually think that. Dok said it like 40,000 pages ago, people are just overeacting.
Instead of throwing leaves on the fire, maybe just switch gears and get a converstion going on a way to get people more motivated to participate in more progressive activities.
Quote from: dimo on March 15, 2010, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
if so, I do this ----> :lol: at anyone who actually thinks that.
I'd have a hard time beleiving (most) people actually think that. Dok said it like 40,000 pages ago, people are just overeacting.
Instead of throwing leaves on the fire, maybe just switch gears and get a converstion going on a way to get people more motivated to participate in more progressive activities.
HEeeeeeey! :noodledance:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 15, 2010, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
if so, I do this ----> :lol: at anyone who actually thinks that.
I'd have a hard time beleiving (most) people actually think that. Dok said it like 40,000 pages ago, people are just overeacting.
Instead of throwing leaves on the fire, maybe just switch gears and get a converstion going on a way to get people more motivated to participate in more progressive activities.
HEeeeeeey! :noodledance:
I can never tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Why no just move Apple Talk to bottom forum?
Is still here, but not as obvious to new peoples.
Quote from: dimo on March 15, 2010, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: dimo on March 15, 2010, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
if so, I do this ----> :lol: at anyone who actually thinks that.
I'd have a hard time beleiving (most) people actually think that. Dok said it like 40,000 pages ago, people are just overeacting.
Instead of throwing leaves on the fire, maybe just switch gears and get a converstion going on a way to get people more motivated to participate in more progressive activities.
HEeeeeeey! :noodledance:
I can never tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT!!
What I mean is I think the bolded part is a good idea, let's dance!
Quote from: Enrico Salazar on March 15, 2010, 05:42:32 PM
Why no just move Apple Talk to bottom forum?
Is still here, but not as obvious to new peoples.
This seems like a very reasonable solution.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
also, please point me to the last poster that stuck around long-term as the result of us boarding another forum. I think it's been quite some time since anyone like that looked around here and decided to stay.
Not Published, IIRC.
And we haven't gone on a raid in a while. Well, except for the Ellis tards, and only one of them made the grade (Infidel/ZazzyE, the only one still here).
We should do one, and soon.
Yes, we really should.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT!!
What I mean is I think the bolded part is a good idea, let's dance!
OK! :hammer:
Quote from: Enrico Salazar on March 15, 2010, 05:42:32 PM
Why no just move Apple Talk to bottom forum?
Is still here, but not as obvious to new peoples.
You may be on to something.
It's a pretty good idea IMO
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
It's a pretty good idea IMO
Then people will just spag up the forums above it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 06:05:05 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
It's a pretty good idea IMO
Then people will just spag up the forums above it.
Then you have reason to shoot motherfucker in base of spine. Win win.
I was more right than ECH knew, apparently. :lulz:
Or make it a hidden board so the internets do not see our SHAME.
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 15, 2010, 07:24:38 PM
Or make it a hidden board so the internets do not see our SHAME.
Or just leave it the way it is, and stop trying to manipulate things to address what is really a non-issue.
Just my $0.02.
I still think we should make Apple Talk a subscription service.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
I still think we should make Apple Talk a subscription service.
Or just have Enrico give them "pink glove time" every time they post.
:aaa:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 15, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
:aaa:
They come for the toilet plunger, but stay for the apple corer.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 15, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
I still think we should make Apple Talk a subscription service.
Or just have Enrico give them "pink glove time" every time they post.
:eek: :D :fap:
I wander off for a few days and come back to this... :lol: I love our forum!
Ok, couple things.
1) I think that the concept of 'discordian' (adjective, not proper noun) forum where productivity, action, etc are the main focus (with fluff kept to a minimum) is a great idea.
2) I think that the domain name www.principiadiscordia.com and the home of the number 1 digital copy of Malaclypse's prolapsed anus which was mistaken for a book are maybe not the right place for a 'keep fluff to a minimum' sort of forum.
When I first looked online for info about the Principia Discordia, THIS PLACE was the number one hit. That means any cabbage that just learned that they have a pineal gland... is likely to show up here... expecting to find a happy, hippie, stoned Erisian Elysium. There's no need to cater to that sort of newly converted Child of She What Done It All... but its like hunting for missionaries at the "Come learn about our church" day. Beyond that there are lots and lots of non-pineal posters here and they, for some goddess awful reason, actually seem to like each other. That means they're going to behave like primates in a tribe... they're gonna chatter and scream and howl and throw poop at each other.
If they have this place for the social screaming and some other place dedicated to development, jakes, WOMPS, GASMS, etc. maybe that would provide some hodge/podge balance for all of us. If you don't want to hear the screaming Monkey's, you can go play in the other forum.
The only thing I didn't like about ECH's original post was that it felt a little preachy and elitist, but I think it was probably frustration that was seeping out rather than the other (cause ECH generally seems not at all preachy or elitist).
I mean, hell... why should we think that an all in one sort of forum would meet the wants, desires and enjoyment needs of the 23+ freaks that hang out here?
Just my opinion, feel free to wipe your ass with it.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
I mean, hell... why should we think that an all in one sort of forum would meet the wants, desires and enjoyment needs of the 23+ freaks that hang out here?
Well, there's always MLA. :lol:
Anyway, I like meeting new people
1. I'm staying here. The rest of you do whatcha like.
1TO POOP ON!
I think that part of the problem is when we started posting topics of serious content and such in Apple Talk we took it from the bullshitting around section to something more and now it's irritating as hell that the bullshit which has always been in Apple Talk just doesn't reach the standards we now want.
And while I don't really think those topics, Spiders, City and so forth belong in "Or Kill Me" they are a level (or quite a few) above the normal Apple Talk stuff. So, a question is, do we create yet another section? Or accept the good with the bad?
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... Part II on March 15, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I think that part of the problem is when we started posting topics of serious content and such in Apple Talk we took it from the bullshitting around section to something more and now it's irritating as hell that the bullshit which has always been in Apple Talk just doesn't reach the standards we now want.
And while I don't really think those topics, Spiders, City and so forth belong in "Or Kill Me" they are a level (or quite a few) above the normal Apple Talk stuff. So, a question is, do we create yet another section? Or accept the good with the bad?
I was thinking that, but it would require that I take some responsibility for this whole mess, so I waited til the feeling passed.
I suppose I could move the letters, if everyone thinks that would help.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... Part II on March 15, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I think that part of the problem is when we started posting topics of serious content and such in Apple Talk we took it from the bullshitting around section to something more and now it's irritating as hell that the bullshit which has always been in Apple Talk just doesn't reach the standards we now want.
And while I don't really think those topics, Spiders, City and so forth belong in "Or Kill Me" they are a level (or quite a few) above the normal Apple Talk stuff. So, a question is, do we create yet another section? Or accept the good with the bad?
I was thinking that, but it would require that I take some responsibility for this whole mess, so I waited til the feeling passed.
I suppose I could move the letters, if everyone thinks that would help.
Then again Apple Talk is visible to guests and maybe some of the awesome in AT will draw in people.
I will admit it was easy to ignore AT when I knew it was limited to the personal topics and the other stuff.
I'm no help because I'm irritated by a lot of the stuff but it makes people happy. I'm torn.
can i wear a turban now?
(http://fredoneverything.net/FOE-images/fred-navheader.jpg)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
I mean, hell... why should we think that an all in one sort of forum would meet the wants, desires and enjoyment needs of the 23+ freaks that hang out here?
Well, there's always MLA. :lol:
Anyway, I like meeting new people1. I'm staying here. The rest of you do whatcha like.
1TO POOP ON!
I laughed a lot really loud at that
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on March 12, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
DUDE!
/
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9913/507hurleylocke01.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/507hurleylocke01.jpg/)
:lulz:
not here to start a fight... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=801lDAXMrzw)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... Part II on March 15, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I think that part of the problem is when we started posting topics of serious content and such in Apple Talk we took it from the bullshitting around section to something more and now it's irritating as hell that the bullshit which has always been in Apple Talk just doesn't reach the standards we now want.
And while I don't really think those topics, Spiders, City and so forth belong in "Or Kill Me" they are a level (or quite a few) above the normal Apple Talk stuff. So, a question is, do we create yet another section? Or accept the good with the bad?
I was thinking that, but it would require that I take some responsibility for this whole mess, so I waited til the feeling passed.
I suppose I could move the letters, if everyone thinks that would help.
Even if only to separate them from the chatter in Apple Talk.
Personally, I think OKM fits them very well. In fact, I wonder why Khara thinks they don't? :?
Everyone who has participated in this thread should go to their profile, view their post history, and read every single post that is stored there.
I did.
I think it changed me.
ive seen it, going away for a few day even to come back to pages of dildos
i was woried, until i remember that i actually put more effort then most into two projects lately...
while i yet to have a block of text be worthy of reading, i can apple it up or not
WHICH MY ISSUE OF INTERMITTENS SHOULD BE OUT TODAY
or flame me until its finished, heck starting now :lulz:
If you guys want to infiltrate a forum, here is the successor to Richard Dawkins' atheist forum http://rationalia.com/forum/
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 16, 2010, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 15, 2010, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... Part II on March 15, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I think that part of the problem is when we started posting topics of serious content and such in Apple Talk we took it from the bullshitting around section to something more and now it's irritating as hell that the bullshit which has always been in Apple Talk just doesn't reach the standards we now want.
And while I don't really think those topics, Spiders, City and so forth belong in "Or Kill Me" they are a level (or quite a few) above the normal Apple Talk stuff. So, a question is, do we create yet another section? Or accept the good with the bad?
I was thinking that, but it would require that I take some responsibility for this whole mess, so I waited til the feeling passed.
I suppose I could move the letters, if everyone thinks that would help.
Even if only to separate them from the chatter in Apple Talk.
Personally, I think OKM fits them very well. In fact, I wonder why Khara thinks they don't? :?
I guess because I've always been a bit leery of posting in OKM. I mean I have put a couple of rants there, but the standard of work in OKM is some serious stuff and while I think the letters in AT are serious, they have a different kind of resonance to them.
If that makes any sense....
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
If you guys want to infiltrate a forum, here is the successor to Richard Dawkins' atheist forum http://rationalia.com/forum/
Very nice, Cain. Might just do that.
It's a bit atheist spaggy (unsurprisingly), but Dawkin's forum had a reputation for having some very intelligent people on it, and great community atmosphere. IOW, a non-dysfunctional internet forum! Been a while since we saw one of those. Also, you can only get perma-banned for sockpuppetry and spamming (and presumably posting anything illegal).
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
It's a bit atheist spaggy (unsurprisingly), but Dawkin's forum had a reputation for having some very intelligent people on it, and great community atmosphere. IOW, a non-dysfunctional internet forum! Been a while since we saw one of those. Also, you can only get perma-banned for sockpuppetry and spamming (and presumably posting anything illegal).
I'll see if I can round Nigel and a few others up this week, and go see what's what.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 16, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
It's a bit atheist spaggy (unsurprisingly), but Dawkin's forum had a reputation for having some very intelligent people on it, and great community atmosphere. IOW, a non-dysfunctional internet forum! Been a while since we saw one of those. Also, you can only get perma-banned for sockpuppetry and spamming (and presumably posting anything illegal).
I'll see if I can round Nigel and a few others up this week, and go see what's what.
Sounds like fun!
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 16, 2010, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 16, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
It's a bit atheist spaggy (unsurprisingly), but Dawkin's forum had a reputation for having some very intelligent people on it, and great community atmosphere. IOW, a non-dysfunctional internet forum! Been a while since we saw one of those. Also, you can only get perma-banned for sockpuppetry and spamming (and presumably posting anything illegal).
I'll see if I can round Nigel and a few others up this week, and go see what's what.
Sounds like fun!
Not sure on the timing, though. The Doctor has finally okay'd me returning to the gym, so I have a bit of a time crunch. I DO know I have next Sunday free.
I registered. I'm usually out of the house Sundays, as it's my one actual day off without kids or work. I'm also supposed to go walking with Mario Sunday, presuming he doesn't flake on me.
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
If you guys want to infiltrate a forum, here is the successor to Richard Dawkins' atheist forum http://rationalia.com/forum/
I'll register when I get to work. Not a lot to do today.
Ah manual approval, I can smell the paranoia already.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 16, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
Ah manual approval, I can smell the paranoia already.
We have that. :lulz:
Quote from: Pēleus on March 16, 2010, 09:42:27 AM
ive seen it, going away for a few day even to come back to pages of dildos
i was woried, until i remember that i actually put more effort then most into two projects lately...
while i yet to have a block of text be worthy of reading, i can apple it up or not
WHICH MY ISSUE OF INTERMITTENS SHOULD BE OUT TODAY
or flame me until its finished, heck starting now :lulz:
FUCK YOU, RELEASE THE ISSUE OR I'LL RELEASE THE HOUNDS!
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2010, 11:14:49 AM
If you guys want to infiltrate a forum, here is the successor to Richard Dawkins' atheist forum http://rationalia.com/forum/
I need to lrn to troll/safari.
Speaking of which. Is this troll or safari. I'd really like to go on Safari again.
Quote from: Telarus on March 16, 2010, 08:23:51 PM
Speaking of which. Is this troll or safari. I'd really like to go on Safari again.
This one is going to be neither, I think. Their hackles are already up due to prior issues, and they'd shut a safari right down.
These guys don't have the sense of humor to play along with a Safari, and they have hyper-alert trolldar. :lulz: This is a boarding, plain and simple.
Yar!
I made an account here because I'd thought "WooHoo, people that think like me, finally!!!".
But
1)I'm basically a boring person and rarely have any creative ideas to post. If I posted often, it'd be total shit. I value this place and see any current sappiness as a temporary lull in the storm.
2)My real life has been shit. I lost my job in July. I've not really been up to anything creative, on top of basic boringness. I'm probably going to be employed soon, doing internal tech support for The Evil Empire(Also known as a major US Health insurance provider). So with the weight of the job search off my shoulders, maybe my creativity will kick start. That and I just bought some Smithwick's, which loosens me up a bit.
3)I don't know how to be part of an elitist club, but i'm pretty sure that's not what ECH was talking about. It sounded more like tuning the environment so that the people that need it the most will be attracted to stay, and that maybe it's gotten a bit out of tune. But who knows? This may also be a hint that I don't have a fucking clue, and I'm fine with that too.
I think i had another point but i lost it after a long swallow of good beer.
Not to criticize too harsly, but:
Quote from: Ale on March 16, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
I... rarely have any creative ideas to post.
and
Quote from: Ale on March 16, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
i lost it after a long swallow of good beer.
May be related.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
Not to criticize too harsly, but:
Quote from: Ale on March 16, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
I... rarely have any creative ideas to post.
and
Quote from: Ale on March 16, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
i lost it after a long swallow of good beer.
May be related.
NOW
we're down on beer?
I will temporarily lift my personal ban on responding to your idiotic posting style to answer.
Alcohol and other drugs are, as they say, tools of The Man™ to keep you complacent.
If you think you're not being creative enough, maybe putting down that beer could help.
Ok, back to ignoring your posts.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
Alcohol and other drugs are, as they say, tools of The Man™ to keep you complacent.
THIS.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
Ok, back to ignoring your posts.
Not that.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
I will temporarily lift my personal ban on responding to your idiotic posting style to answer.
Alcohol and other drugs are, as they say, tools of The Man™ to keep you complacent.
If you think you're not being creative enough, maybe putting down that beer could help.
Ok, back to ignoring your posts.
I THINK
you could use one
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/xjephx/Straight_edge_poster_by_tizar.jpg)
Jud Jud,
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If people are going to make snarky comments on people's posting style and drinking habits, maybe they do need a special elite forum.
I would totally not be opposed to that.
RUN!!! THE MAN IS GONNA GET US WITH HIS SNEAKY DRUGS!!!! :lulz:
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 02:27:21 PM
If people are going to make snarky comments on people's posting style and drinking habits, maybe they do need a special elite forum.
I would totally not be opposed to that.
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
And the alcohol/drugs thing has
also been ongoing. I drink, obviously. And I am creative, I hope. But I have found no corrolary between them -- in fact, I have found a negative corrolary: When I'm drunk, I
think I'm creative, but the next day, it turns out I just suck.
It was a piece of helpful advice, is all. Please don't turn this into something bigger than it needs to be.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 02:27:21 PM
If people are going to make snarky comments on people's posting style and drinking habits, maybe they do need a special elite forum.
I would totally not be opposed to that.
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
And the alcohol/drugs thing has also been ongoing. I drink, obviously. And I am creative, I hope. But I have found no corrolary between them -- in fact, I have found a negative corrolary: When I'm drunk, I think I'm creative, but the next day, it turns out I just suck.
It was a piece of helpful advice, is all. Please don't turn this into something bigger than it needs to be.
I think this post was good advice... I think accusing THE MAN was maybe less so.
But personally, I have recently been getting the feeling that "The Man" and "The Machine" and "Them" are maybe just excuses 'cause we don't want to say "Us" or "We". It's like "Save the Planet"... Global Warming or Nuclear Disaster, doesn't matter, the Planet will be fine, it will still be spinning happily on its axis and running circles around the sun, probably with enough time to work up a whole new biological system... But if we're honest and say "Save Our Habitat From Ourselves" its not as heroic, it's not as Noble.... its kinda sad and pathetic "Please help us stop killing ourselves and our habitat cause we're too dumb to simply understand its not a good idea to shit where we sleep"
Blaming The Man and The Machine for stuff seems similar... Its a nice image to get behind (Damn The Man, Save The Empire!), but its also kind of a cop out I think. Maybe its easier to say "It a tool of The Man to keep you complacent", rather than "Its what we monkeys use to keep ourselves complacent."
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 17, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 02:27:21 PM
If people are going to make snarky comments on people's posting style and drinking habits, maybe they do need a special elite forum.
I would totally not be opposed to that.
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
And the alcohol/drugs thing has also been ongoing. I drink, obviously. And I am creative, I hope. But I have found no corrolary between them -- in fact, I have found a negative corrolary: When I'm drunk, I think I'm creative, but the next day, it turns out I just suck.
It was a piece of helpful advice, is all. Please don't turn this into something bigger than it needs to be.
I think this post was good advice... I think accusing THE MAN was maybe less so.
But personally, I have recently been getting the feeling that "The Man" and "The Machine" and "Them" are maybe just excuses 'cause we don't want to say "Us" or "We". It's like "Save the Planet"... Global Warming or Nuclear Disaster, doesn't matter, the Planet will be fine, it will still be spinning happily on its axis and running circles around the sun, probably with enough time to work up a whole new biological system... But if we're honest and say "Save Our Habitat From Ourselves" its not as heroic, it's not as Noble.... its kinda sad and pathetic "Please help us stop killing ourselves and our habitat cause we're too dumb to simply understand its not a good idea to shit where we sleep"
Blaming The Man and The Machine for stuff seems similar... Its a nice image to get behind (Damn The Man, Save The Empire!), but its also kind of a cop out I think. Maybe its easier to say "It a tool of The Man to keep you complacent", rather than "Its what we monkeys use to keep ourselves complacent."
IAWTP
You forget that as a middle-aged white guy in a high tax bracket and a mortgage, I am The Man™.
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 03:13:32 PM
You forget that as a middle-aged white guy in a high tax bracket and a mortgage, I am The Man™.
Me and you both, baby ;-)
So, our plan to keep the masses complacent with drugs and alcohol is working pretty well, no?
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Huh... those are origins I was unaware of.
I rarely use the :lol: emote because he looks nervous.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Huh... those are origins I was unaware of.
I rarely use the :lol: emote because he looks nervous.
Yeah, that's way back from the FC days.
For example... O :mittens: NED.
And the :lulz: was originally 3 separate emotes, as was :tgrr:
But you know, and this is probably the only post I'll make here, I often only give a small emote or quick note of praise because I'd rather the person thought I'd read it actively than just glanced at it and moved on. Sometimes it seems people want to have it both ways, and that isn't always possible. Sometimes I only HAVE time to write something small, but I want to acknowledge that I put time in to actually read it. When I have more to offer, I do, but that also often goes unnoticed/unresponded to as well. *shrug* You can't win for losing, sometimes, here on this board.
Quote from: Jenne on March 17, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
But you know, and this is probably the only post I'll make here, I often only give a small emote or quick note of praise because I'd rather the person thought I'd read it actively than just glanced at it and moved on. Sometimes it seems people want to have it both ways, and that isn't always possible. Sometimes I only HAVE time to write something small, but I want to acknowledge that I put time in to actually read it. When I have more to offer, I do, but that also often goes unnoticed/unresponded to as well. *shrug* You can't win for losing, sometimes, here on this board.
Oh, no issue with that. Not everyone can fuck off all day on PD.
Mittens are better than nothing.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Is true. Anything good, used enough, is useless.
Is reason Enrico has said "glorious faggots" once in last two year.
Quote from: Enrico Salazar on March 17, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Is true. Anything good, used enough, is useless.
Is reason Enrico has said "glorious faggots" once in last two year.
Three times, now.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
I use them in the way that you describe because the lol emote sucks (as its upper lip reminds me of the alien as it is staring down sigorney weaver), and mittens are significantly more convenient than actually writing down "i enjoyed your post, but i am too lazy to write a response." if i didn't use the emote, i would still feel compelled to compliment, but it would be something approximately as convenient, just less PD idiomatic....
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Enrico Salazar on March 17, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 17, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
I think you're missing out, though. EOT is funny as hell, and tends to offer more substance than :lulz: or :mittens:
He is, and those are overused to a horrible degree at this stage.
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
Is true. Anything good, used enough, is useless.
Is reason Enrico has said "glorious faggots" once in last two year.
Three times, now.
GLORIOUS FAGGOT!
Quote from: Iptuous on March 17, 2010, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
I use them in the way that you describe because the lol emote sucks (as its upper lip reminds me of the alien as it is staring down sigorney weaver), and mittens are significantly more convenient than actually writing down "i enjoyed your post, but i am too lazy to write a response." if i didn't use the emote, i would still feel compelled to compliment, but it would be something approximately as convenient, just less PD idiomatic....
Again: Nothing < mittens < comment < run it right back at the poster with a rant of your own.
Better than nothing.
I always assumed the mittens were for win.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 05:40:36 PM
I always assumed the mittens were for win.
same here.....
is there a 'same here' emote?
:?
Correlation does not equal causation.
:mittens: UT?
:?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 17, 2010, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
I use them in the way that you describe because the lol emote sucks (as its upper lip reminds me of the alien as it is staring down sigorney weaver), and mittens are significantly more convenient than actually writing down "i enjoyed your post, but i am too lazy to write a response." if i didn't use the emote, i would still feel compelled to compliment, but it would be something approximately as convenient, just less PD idiomatic....
Again: Enki fail comment < Nothing < mittens < comment < run it right back at the poster with a rant of your own.
Better than nothing.
Because I had to.
However, in honesty my edit seems to hold truth. We've already said that a good post with a bunch of mitten comments isn't a fail fluff thread. It's when, if I spent a thousand words writing about the primate political system and then used Adam Lambert as as throwaway metaphor, the entire thread goes the way of "LOL, American Idol sucks".
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 17, 2010, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
Yeah, :lulz: was originally "laughing at stupid people", and now it's "laughing". And :mittens: was originally "your writing has owned the fuck out of <insert person, viewpoint, etc>, and now it's "I enjoyed your post, but I am too lazy to write a response."
I use them in the way that you describe because the lol emote sucks (as its upper lip reminds me of the alien as it is staring down sigorney weaver), and mittens are significantly more convenient than actually writing down "i enjoyed your post, but i am too lazy to write a response." if i didn't use the emote, i would still feel compelled to compliment, but it would be something approximately as convenient, just less PD idiomatic....
Again: Enki fail comment < Nothing < mittens < comment < run it right back at the poster with a rant of your own.
Better than nothing.
Because I had to.
However, in honesty my edit seems to hold truth. We've already said that a good post with a bunch of mitten comments isn't a fail fluff thread. It's when, if I spent a thousand words writing about the primate political system and then used Adam Lambert as as throwaway metaphor, the entire thread goes the way of "LOL, American Idol sucks".
Your correction is duly noted.
Also, yes, PD is just as bad as anywhere else about taking a minor point or example and running away with it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 05:26:09 PM
And the :lulz: was originally 3 separate emotes, as was :tgrr:
:horrormirth:
Quote from: LMNO on March 17, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 17, 2010, 02:27:21 PM
If people are going to make snarky comments on people's posting style and drinking habits, maybe they do need a special elite forum.
I would totally not be opposed to that.
Hey, I haven't changed my habits since that whole thing started. I was ignoring him then, I'm ignoring him now.
And the alcohol/drugs thing has also been ongoing. I drink, obviously. And I am creative, I hope. But I have found no corrolary between them -- in fact, I have found a negative corrolary: When I'm drunk, I think I'm creative, but the next day, it turns out I just suck.
It was a piece of helpful advice, is all. Please don't turn this into something bigger than it needs to be.
For what it's worth, it was helpful advice. and now that I don't have any alcohol in me, it is just as well that I didn't post it.
The main point that I needed to make is that tuning your environment towards a specific type of person that you want to help or free up is different than being elitist. I don't see the OP as being elitist, I see it as expressing reasonable frustration that some out there are turning this forum into a comfortable home for Pinealist Mystics that happen to like the Discordian name and want it to feel all fuzzy and warm here.
That is not even remotely close to generating the type of chaos that blows the fuck out of your mind and makes you disoriented and thereby causes you to reorient and come up with new, creative, fantastic shit. Unfortunately that process hurts and the shrapnel can be a bitch to dig out of your spleen, but having to do that sometimes is the only way I've found to stay sane. My fucked up head can't stand what many consider normal otherwise.
So, my advice to anyone who cares: Get used to the shrapnel. Just fucking live with it. It hurts when your mind gets blown, if you do it right. But it's a good kind of pain. Trust me. :fnord:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
Your correction is duly noted.
Also, yes, PD is just as bad as worse than anywhere else about taking a minor point or example and running away with it.
. . . because the expectations tend to be higher
Quote from: MMIX on March 17, 2010, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
Your correction is duly noted.
Also, yes, PD is just as bad as worse than anywhere else about taking a minor point or example and running away with it.
. . . because the expectations tend to be higher
Stick around. :lol:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: MMIX on March 17, 2010, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 17, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
Your correction is duly noted.
Also, yes, PD is just as bad as worse than anywhere else about taking a minor point or example and running away with it.
. . . because the expectations tend to be higher
Stick around. :lol:
(http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/assets-images-gawker-2008-07-lowered-expectations.jpg)
Quote from: Ale on March 17, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
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The main point that I needed to make is that tuning your environment towards a specific type of person that you want to help or free up is different than being elitist. I don't see the OP as being elitist, I see it as expressing reasonable frustration that some out there are turning this forum into a comfortable home for Pinealist Mystics that happen to like the Discordian name and want it to feel all fuzzy and warm here.
...
Pinealist Mystics?
really?
who?
I think Rat and I fall closest to that descriptor, LULZ.
Quote from: Iptuous on March 17, 2010, 08:54:45 PM
Quote from: Ale on March 17, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
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The main point that I needed to make is that tuning your environment towards a specific type of person that you want to help or free up is different than being elitist. I don't see the OP as being elitist, I see it as expressing reasonable frustration that some out there are turning this forum into a comfortable home for Pinealist Mystics that happen to like the Discordian name and want it to feel all fuzzy and warm here.
...
Pinealist Mystics?
really?
who?
I think E.O.T is a wannabe pinealist, but I admit I could be mistaken. Other than that, I guess i can't put a name to it. TGRR not posting here has a profound effect on the board. Maybe that's it. Maybe him being missing makes it more warm and fuzzy.
On the one hand, being all pineal and erisian and getting into chaos magick and all that shit looks horribly appealing, and it seems like it'd be fun. But I haven't seen how it's ever at all real, other than as a game to fuck with peoples minds. So if that's what you're into, doing it for the mystical mind-fuck, i'm kool with that. But i've learned to hate religion, and that feels too religious.
I love a good mental shakeup and reordering. I want it without the religion since the religion turns me off.
The erisian chaote mind-fuckery only works on yourself.
External effects are law of fives and lucky bastardry.
I have so much fun with that and my IRL pagan friends. Joining in with the occasional ritual means I sit and play devils advocate and expound the view of "the only effect any of this shit has is internal, deities are metaphor" I love my friends I do this with dearly, but a little trolling for the TFYS is fun, hopefully thought provoking and drives my best mate nuts. Especially when I tell her Homeopathy is full of shit 2 days after she went.
Funny thing is she listened to me.
Quote from: Ale on March 18, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Other than that, I guess i can't put a name to it. TGRR not posting here has a profound effect on the board. Maybe that's it. Maybe him being missing makes it more warm and fuzzy.
Yeah, TGRR was a real bastard, wasn't he? I'm glad the fucker's dead.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on March 18, 2010, 12:30:33 AM
The erisian chaote mind-fuckery only works on yourself.
External effects are law of fives and lucky bastardry.
I have so much fun with that and my IRL pagan friends. Joining in with the occasional ritual means I sit and play devils advocate and expound the view of "the only effect any of this shit has is internal, deities are metaphor" I love my friends I do this with dearly, but a little trolling for the TFYS is fun, hopefully thought provoking and drives my best mate nuts. Especially when I tell her Homeopathy is full of shit 2 days after she went.
Funny thing is she listened to me.
Huh. Usually people don't, with that kind of thing. Maybe you're just really convincing. 8)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2010, 01:30:41 AM
Quote from: Ale on March 18, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Other than that, I guess i can't put a name to it. TGRR not posting here has a profound effect on the board. Maybe that's it. Maybe him being missing makes it more warm and fuzzy.
Yeah, TGRR was a real bastard, wasn't he? I'm glad the fucker's dead.
Fuck he pissed me off the cunt...
Quote from: NotPublished on March 18, 2010, 01:38:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2010, 01:30:41 AM
Quote from: Ale on March 18, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Other than that, I guess i can't put a name to it. TGRR not posting here has a profound effect on the board. Maybe that's it. Maybe him being missing makes it more warm and fuzzy.
Yeah, TGRR was a real bastard, wasn't he? I'm glad the fucker's dead.
Fuck he pissed me off the cunt...
I don't like to talk ill of anyone, let alone dead people, but...
Yeah, he was a jerk-face.
Kinda sad to jump in on the guy after he's dead, but TBH... fuck him. He really was a fucking waste of space.
No offence to those who liked the guy, you know?
TGRR's gone? Great. Now I can start posting again.
I know I know .. I feel really bad keeping something against a dead-guy ... I just wish he was alive so I could tell him how much of a cunt he is... I can't let go... I'd rather fucking dance on his grave however :lulz:
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
Kinda sad to jump in on the guy after he's dead, but TBH... fuck him. He really was a fucking waste of space.
No offence to those who liked the guy, you know?
Who liked him? My first day here, he shat all over my introduction, for no reason.
Then he dies. I can't stop laughing.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2010, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
Kinda sad to jump in on the guy after he's dead, but TBH... fuck him. He really was a fucking waste of space.
No offence to those who liked the guy, you know?
Who liked him? My first day here, he shat all over my introduction, for no reason.
Then he dies. I can't stop laughing.
Yeah...
plus, i'm pretty sure that sick fuck was a closet furry....
Quote from: Iptuous on March 18, 2010, 02:35:07 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2010, 01:45:40 AM
Quote from: Sidónio Pães on March 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
Kinda sad to jump in on the guy after he's dead, but TBH... fuck him. He really was a fucking waste of space.
No offence to those who liked the guy, you know?
Who liked him? My first day here, he shat all over my introduction, for no reason.
Then he dies. I can't stop laughing.
Yeah...
plus, i'm pretty sure that sick fuck was a closet furry....
It's worse than that.
I heard he was into
WORMS.
WEIRD
that's not a conventional trolling bait. unless you're keeping it near idle
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 18, 2010, 04:58:50 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 18, 2010, 02:35:07 AM
Yeah...
plus, i'm pretty sure that sick fuck was a closet furry....
It's worse than that.
I heard he was into WORMS.
yeah. i saw him in a yiff pile once, and he was wearing a lowly worm costume with a truly depraved look under that little green yodeling hat...
Iptuous,
totally going as lowly worm next halloween...