Principia Discordia

Quote from: Richter on March 14, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
I believe these discussions, undertaken carelessly, are great ways to convince people to burn, torture, and nail each other to unusual things.

Quote from: Richter on March 14, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
I believe these discussions, undertaken carelessly, are great ways to convince people to burn, torture, and nail each other to unusual things.

Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2011, 10:49:56 PM

Lets not have a repeat of the last time this[Wicca]  came up.

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
Rules:
1. No attacking people, just everything they believe in.
2. Logic, logic, and logic. If you can't at least pretend there is some vague semblance of logical thought, you lose.
3. Random interesting facts (meaning of a religious symbol, old forgotten knowledge about a religion, etc.) are good.
4. If you don't like it, leave.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 14, 2011, 11:09:44 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2011, 10:49:56 PM

Lets not have a repeat of the last time this[Wicca]  came up.

How many casualties were there?

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 14, 2011, 10:49:05 PM

Quote from: Richter on March 14, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
I believe these discussions, undertaken carelessly, are great ways to convince people to burn, torture, and nail each other to unusual things.

I know where the hammer and the nails are, Richter. I also have a book of matches, a lighter, and several specialized implements of inquisition. Convince me.  :evil:

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
So, I'm Wiccan

Quote from: Faust on March 14, 2011, 10:49:56 PM

Quote from: Richter on March 14, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
I believe these discussions, undertaken carelessly, are great ways to convince people to burn, torture, and nail each other to unusual things.

That's right actually this needs the warning as its one of those danger threads:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsBL3dC5nvEvtK2dtQFGUGLrsXnMbejnr8aChmXjWAR7TkW6Rg)
Lets not have a repeat of the last time this  came up.

QuoteDingo, I say not to use the bible because: The bible is absolute truth. How do we know? The bible is the word of god. How do we know? The bible says its the word of god. How do we know its right? Because its absolute truth. And so on.

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
Also, belief within Discordianism must vary to some extent.

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
So, I'm Wiccan

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
I said I'm Wiccan (eclectic,

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 14, 2011, 11:45:22 PM

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
So, I'm Wiccan

This part made me not want to read anything else you have to say.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
You fuckers scared him off.  :tgrr:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 12:43:52 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
You fuckers scared him off.  :tgrr:

Wasn't me.  :ninja:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
You fuckers scared him off.  :tgrr:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 12:45:27 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 12:43:52 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
You fuckers scared him off.  :tgrr:

Wasn't me.  :ninja:

First zany "eclectic pagan" in MONTHS, and you fuckers can't even wait for me before starting the feeding frenzy.

:crankey:

THIS is how you treat your Holy Man^TM?  YOU'RE THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT KILLED TAMERLANE!

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 12:46:10 AM
My ERB has me listed as Wiccan.  :tinfoilhat:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
I'm here, I was throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
As far as eclectic Wicca, think of it like Karma with a fancy name and Kantian deontology combined with Shopenhauer misanthropy, with a good dose of cynicism on top of that. As far as magick, I dont think it really works, nor do I dance naked etc., its just quiet me-time.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:46:20 AM
A lot of life is retarded. People got into college without being able to write a coherent sentence, walk around with pants at their knees and three layers of oversize jackets in 80 degree weather.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 01:50:30 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:46:20 AM
A lot of life is retarded. People got into college without being able to write a coherent sentence, walk around with pants at their knees and three layers of oversize jackets in 80 degree weather.

Sort of like mixing up a bunch of useless philosophers and calling it "Eclectic Wicca"?

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Oh, what the fuck I'll play. 
I believe that which will get me through the day with the minimum of harm to myself and others around me.  The only logical reason I try to avoid harming others is that the society I live in has repercussions for doing so.  While a .22 and a back-hoe can take care of a lot of bodies, there is the issue of authorities noticing fresh dirt.  I also have the option of mine shafts in remote parts of the country, but finding those can be time consuming and labor intensive.  Plus, the Jeep is getting close to needing a new engine.

Sorry, I kind of rabbit-trailed there.  Back to beliefs.  Essentially I cherry-pick what I like, make up other shit that makes my happy and incorporate it all, or not as I see fit.  This system, or lack thereof is the underpinnings of the First Church of the Burnt Lizard.  The only requirement for joining my church is that you must kill spiders.
Because I said so.  No logic there, fuck you if you can't deal with it.   :whack:

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 01:50:49 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 01:50:30 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:46:20 AM
A lot of life is retarded. People got into college without being able to write a coherent sentence, walk around with pants at their knees and three layers of oversize jackets in 80 degree weather.

Sort of like mixing up a bunch of useless philosophers and calling it "Eclectic Wicca"?

Par for the course?

Quote from: Sexecutioner Chao Tight on March 15, 2011, 01:51:44 AM
So I had crafted a reply, being sympathetic to the [fellow] n00b, but didn't post thinking he'd been run off.   Thankfully, you are still around, so all that damn typing wasn't for naught.

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Oh, what the fuck I'll play. 
I believe that which will get me through the day with the minimum of harm to myself and others around me.  The only logical reason I try to avoid harming others is that the society I live in has repercussions for doing so.  While a .22 and a back-hoe can take care of a lot of bodies, there is the issue of authorities noticing fresh dirt.  I also have the option of mine shafts in remote parts of the country, but finding those can be time consuming and labor intensive.  Plus, the Jeep is getting close to needing a new engine.

Sorry, I kind of rabbit-trailed there.  Back to beliefs.  Essentially I cherry-pick what I like, make up other shit that makes my happy and incorporate it all, or not as I see fit.  This system, or lack thereof is the underpinnings of the First Church of the Burnt Lizard.  The only requirement for joining my church is that you must kill spiders.
Because I said so.  No logic there, fuck you if you can't deal with it.   :whack:

Is what I had to say.  To which I'll add that basically, you cherry-pick and do what you please which I can respect - you just use someone else's labeling system.  How lame.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:58:18 AM
I use the label "Wicca" because I like how it sounds, and take the general outline from there.
For example, I would refer to the Lady and her consort, but its more as a pretty label for karma than a belief in corporeal or non-corporeal beings.
Also, I have/wear a pentacle, but again, mainly because I like how it looks.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
I'm here, I was throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

As far as eclectic Wicca, think of it like Karma with a fancy name and Kantian deontology combined with Shopenhauer misanthropy, with a good dose of cynicism on top of that. As far as magick, I dont think it really works, nor do I dance naked etc., its just quiet me-time.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 01:59:29 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
I'm here, I was throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

As far as eclectic Wicca, think of it like Karma with a fancy name and Kantian deontology combined with Shopenhauer misanthropy, with a good dose of cynicism on top of that. As far as magick, I dont think it really works, nor do I dance naked etc., its just quiet me-time.

LOLWAT.  :lulz:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:03:27 AM
Seriously, I question whether ph understands the words he/she is using, or just heard someone uses those really cool words and decided to use them too.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:04:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

It doesn't matter if you were or weren't throwing 'hawks at a tree, palm or otherwise. You felt you had to share it, like it makes you cool, or different, or something.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:06:05 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:04:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

It doesn't matter if you were or weren't throwing 'hawks at a tree, palm or otherwise. You felt you had to share it, like it makes you cool, or different, or something.

Well, how else is he supposed to show us how zany he is?

Boy, it's a good thing this doesn't happen 5 times a month, or anything.

HEY, PH:  I HAVE SOME ADVICE FOR YOU.  IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, SAY SO.  IF NOT, THEN BY ALL MEANS CARRY ON.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:07:29 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:06:05 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:04:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

It doesn't matter if you were or weren't throwing 'hawks at a tree, palm or otherwise. You felt you had to share it, like it makes you cool, or different, or something.

Well, how else is he supposed to show us how zany he is?

Boy, it's a good thing this doesn't happen 5 times a month, or anything.

HEY, PH:  I HAVE SOME ADVICE FOR YOU.  IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, SAY SO.  IF NOT, THEN BY ALL MEANS CARRY ON.

With outlandish clothing?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:11:40 AM
It was more being wary about other peoples sarcasm, if I was going for "lets impress everyone" I wouldn't start on tomahawks, that just requires boredom and enough money to buy a tomahawk.

And I know what I'm saying, I try to avoid prestigious jargon fallacies, but I also don't want to explain all of that crap.

And no, I just wear jeans and T-shirts, sorry to disappoint.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 01:58:18 AM
I use the label "Wicca" because I like how it sounds, and take the general outline from there.
For example, I would refer to the Lady and her consort, but its more as a pretty label for karma than a belief in corporeal or non-corporeal beings.
Also, I have/wear a pentacle, but again, mainly because I like how it looks.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
The funny part is that I'm not entirely sure you all have realized I wasn't kidding about throwing tomahawks at a palm tree.

And sure, call karma bullshit. No difference to me.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
His IP is new, but it resolves to the same place as a few other recent accounts.

Interesting.

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 02:17:55 AM
Fifty post suggestion?

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 02:18:54 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
His IP is new, but it resolves to the same place as a few other recent accounts.

Interesting.

Perhaps someone started a cabal or did some evangelizing in that area?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:11:40 AM

And I know what I'm saying, I try to avoid prestigious jargon fallacies, but I also don't want to explain all of that crap.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:23:07 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:11:40 AM

And I know what I'm saying, I try to avoid prestigious jargon fallacies, but I also don't want to explain all of that crap.

Sorry, skipper, but you can either explain it, or I'm going to say that you're full of shit, especially since I know about those concepts and they don't really mesh, when you get down to it. So, you're either talking out of your ass, or you have some insight. t's the former if you don't explain for sure, and 85% chance of bullshit if you do, but I'll give you the 15% benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 02:24:02 AM
I agree that this one doesn't seem to be a keeper, but if we all come on this strong then I don't think he'll reveal enough about his belief system for us to destroy it.

Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 15, 2011, 02:25:21 AM
Is he even still online? According to the Who's Online thing, He's been posting in this thread for a while now...

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:26:34 AM


And where did you offer to clue me in? (oblivious)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:24:19 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:23:07 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:11:40 AM

And I know what I'm saying, I try to avoid prestigious jargon fallacies, but I also don't want to explain all of that crap.

Sorry, skipper, but you can either explain it, or I'm going to say that you're full of shit, especially since I know about those concepts and they don't really mesh, when you get down to it. So, you're either talking out of your ass, or you have some insight. t's the former if you don't explain for sure, and 85% chance of bullshit if you do, but I'll give you the 15% benefit of the doubt.

You're wasting your time.  I can feel it down in my diseased and scabby testicles.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:26:34 AM
Prestigious Jargon Fallacy: Using large words unnecessarily in order to convince people your point is correct because it sounds smart rather than because it makes sense.

Nope, I found this site like a week ago because I was looking up fractals and it mentioned Discordianism, which I googled, and it popped up principiadiscordia.com

In Kantian deontology I'm talking specifically about the Categorical Imperative, and i usually just use the second maxim of perfect and imperfect duties within a society as a quick-and-dirty way of figuring morality.
For shopenhauer, its primarily the driving force of people being passion, which leads to egoism or malice, which ends with people being 'immoral' through the categorical imperative.

And where did you offer to clue me in? (oblivious)

QuoteAlso a tendency of our old friend, yes?

QuoteAnd where did you offer to clue me in? (oblivious)

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:32:44 AM
Well then I'll take any offers of solutions to obliviousness

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:36:18 AM

I'm agnostic for the same reasons Faust described, however, I lean much more towards atheism because it's incredibly unlikely that there is a god in ANY of the ways that I've read about god being conceived.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:39:46 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  

But what if I jabber on about tomahawks?

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:39:46 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  

But what if I jabber on about tomahawks?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:41:18 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:39:46 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  

But what if I jabber on about tomahawks?

Then I will pay Josh to put fucking antabuse in your bourbon.  See if I fucking don't.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:41:56 AM
STFU Donny, you're out of your element.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:40:30 AM

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:36:18 AM

I'm agnostic for the same reasons Faust described, however, I lean much more towards atheism because it's incredibly unlikely that there is a god in ANY of the ways that I've read about god being conceived.

Fucking optimist.  God's real, and he's gonna eat us all when we die.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
NET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10
As for karma, a balance of some kind in the world. Does it mean if i punch you, someone is going to punch me? Not at all. Just that somehow, everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind. For example, you're born with nothing, and shortly after you die you have nothing.

Roger, I did enough thread creeping to figure out that you smack everyone mentally.

And yet again, I promise, I'm not going for 'lets impress people'. Angry would involve more underhanded comments on my part by the way.

And i know I am strange to some extent, but by no means the strangest, nor am i slightly impressive.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:45:32 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:40:30 AM

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:36:18 AM

I'm agnostic for the same reasons Faust described, however, I lean much more towards atheism because it's incredibly unlikely that there is a god in ANY of the ways that I've read about god being conceived.

Fucking optimist.  God's real, and he's gonna eat us all when we die.

God is microorganisms?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:32:44 AM
Well then I'll take any offers of solutions to obliviousness

Well, there's a few things.

1.  I'm a horrible fucking cunt, and I'm going to hate you no matter what you do, so I don't really care if you take the advice, nor should you take my reaction to you as any sort of board "moral authority".  I fucking hate you for being a primate, and nothing you can do or say will change that.

2.  http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26864.0 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26864.0)  <--- Read this.

3.  Stop trying to wow us on your first day.  I for one have seen weirder shit in my jockey shorts on any given evening, and your desperate attempts to demonstrate your outlandishness is tiresome.  Fucking chill out, relax just a fucking bit, and maybe try to get to know some people and maybe see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  This is Discordia, not Jackass, the Movie.

Quote from: that threadYou may be an eclectic Wiccan IndoPagan conservative, or an anarchist, or maybe you're just a person new to Discordianism that wants to tell us all about it.  In any of the above cases, you are operating in error.  Not because your ideas aren't factually correct...For all we know, the universe really IS structured in a manner straight out of some hippie's bliss ninny patchouli poisoning-induced dreams.

Quote from: Cainad on March 15, 2011, 02:47:21 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:38:16 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:32:44 AM
Well then I'll take any offers of solutions to obliviousness

Well, there's a few things.

1.  I'm a horrible fucking cunt, and I'm going to hate you no matter what you do, so I don't really care if you take the advice, nor should you take my reaction to you as any sort of board "moral authority".  I fucking hate you for being a primate, and nothing you can do or say will change that.

2.  http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26864.0 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26864.0)  <--- Read this.

3.  Stop trying to wow us on your first day.  I for one have seen weirder shit in my jockey shorts on any given evening, and your desperate attempts to demonstrate your outlandishness is tiresome.  Fucking chill out, relax just a fucking bit, and maybe try to get to know some people and maybe see what we're about before jabbering nonsense about Goddamn tomahawks.  This is Discordia, not Jackass, the Movie.

SO either our new friend is indeed not new, or Dok Howl has been using the FutureScope again:

QuoteYou may be an eclectic Wiccan IndoPagan conservative, or an anarchist, or maybe you're just a person new to Discordianism that wants to tell us all about it.  In any of the above cases, you are operating in error.  Not because your ideas aren't factually correct...For all we know, the universe really IS structured in a manner straight out of some hippie's bliss ninny patchouli poisoning-induced dreams.

:lulz: Fucking prophecy, right thar.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
NET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
As for karma, a balance of some kind in the world. Does it mean if i punch you, someone is going to punch me? Not at all. Just that somehow, everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind. For example, you're born with nothing, and shortly after you die you have nothing.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 02:43:14 AM

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:41:56 AM
STFU Donny, you're out of your element.

No, netty, I am not. :fap:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
NET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10
As for karma, a balance of some kind in the world. Does it mean if i punch you, someone is going to punch me? Not at all. Just that somehow, everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind. For example, you're born with nothing, and shortly after you die you have nothing.

Roger, I did enough thread creeping to figure out that you smack everyone mentally.

And yet again, I promise, I'm not going for 'lets impress people'. Angry would involve more underhanded comments on my part by the way.

And i know I am strange to some extent, but by no means the strangest, nor am i slightly impressive.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:45:58 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
NET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10
As for karma, a balance of some kind in the world. Does it mean if i punch you, someone is going to punch me? Not at all. Just that somehow, everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind. For example, you're born with nothing, and shortly after you die you have nothing.

Roger, I did enough thread creeping to figure out that you smack everyone mentally.

And yet again, I promise, I'm not going for 'lets impress people'. Angry would involve more underhanded comments on my part by the way.

And i know I am strange to some extent, but by no means the strangest, nor am i slightly impressive.

Well, I tried, right?  Anyone here think I didn't try?  Speak up now, or forever shut your gobs.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:45:32 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:40:30 AM

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 15, 2011, 02:36:18 AM

I'm agnostic for the same reasons Faust described, however, I lean much more towards atheism because it's incredibly unlikely that there is a god in ANY of the ways that I've read about god being conceived.

Fucking optimist.  God's real, and he's gonna eat us all when we die.

God is microorganisms?

QuoteWell, I tried, right?  Anyone here think I didn't try?  Speak up now, or forever shut your gobs.

QuoteNET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:49:48 AM

You didn't try hard enough, Roger.   :pokewithstick:

Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on March 15, 2011, 02:49:56 AM

QuoteWell, I tried, right?  Anyone here think I didn't try?  Speak up now, or forever shut your gobs.

Well after this...

QuoteNET has figured out the goal of the rules, which was little more than agitation. +10

Go for it. Have fun, and try not to make too much of a mess.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope

Dok Howl

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:52:35 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope

Dok Howl

:troll:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:50:54 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:49:48 AM

You didn't try hard enough, Roger.   :pokewithstick:

But I tried, right?  Technically speaking?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:53:24 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 02:52:35 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope

Dok Howl

:troll:

Um, look at the post I linked to.

QuoteSO either our new friend is indeed not new, or Dok Howl has been using the FutureScope again:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Lady as a metaphor = opposite of consort = in balance

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 02:55:12 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Lady as a metaphor = opposite of consort = in balance

That doesn't make any sense.  Again, which lady are we talking about?  And aren't most of these Ladies consorts to someone or other anyway?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:54:59 AM

QuoteSO either our new friend is indeed not new, or Dok Howl has been using the FutureScope again:

Yes, Dok Howl. From like three posts back.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Lady as a metaphor = opposite of consort = in balance

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
Roger hit it on the head there.

Quote from: Cainad on March 15, 2011, 02:58:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Lady as a metaphor = opposite of consort = in balance

Poor thing's got a head full of gibberish. :cry: Probably read too many weird books and/or websites without getting his daily recommended allowance of Reality.

Surely there's something we can do to help, PD? For a given definition of "help"?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:58:52 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
Roger hit it on the head there.

Told you bastards.  169% poptard.

Quote from: Cainad on March 15, 2011, 03:00:49 AM
Phooey. It was too good to be true. :sad:

Cainad,
was looking forward to using "tomahawk" as a new meme

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:05:20 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

This can't be poptard. It has to be Stephanie Myers.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 02:59:36 AM

Quote from: Cainad on March 15, 2011, 02:58:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
Dok Howl has been using a fucking future scope, I read the political theory of anarchism last week.

Lady as a metaphor = opposite of consort = in balance

Poor thing's got a head full of gibberish. :cry: Probably read too many weird books and/or websites without getting his daily recommended allowance of Reality.

Surely there's something we can do to help, PD? For a given definition of "help"?

He just admitted to being poptard.  It's kind of a shame, really, I was hoping we'd discovered a new level of stupid to write up.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

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BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:11:02 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

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BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Are you sleeping with poptard? :horrormirth:

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:11:02 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

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BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Are you sleeping with poptard? :horrormirth:

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 15, 2011, 03:12:04 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:11:02 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

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BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Are you sleeping with poptard? :horrormirth:

Looks more like she hasn't yet but intends to, to me.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:12:26 AM
Well, I'm not to the 'everyones bitch' stage yet, so im not going to attempt random shit to get a novel reaction. Yet.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
I might be a man-whore, but that doesnt mean I'm a cheap man-whore.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:11:02 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

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BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Are you sleeping with poptard? :horrormirth:

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 03:17:09 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
I might be a man-whore, but that doesnt mean I'm a cheap man-whore.

A male wiccan?

This is a new thing for me.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:17:43 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:11:02 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:09:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
Although a recognition of ones own stupidity requires too much intelligence to be truly stupid, so I'm that special brand of stupid where I'm not oblivious to my stupidity, allowing me to be quite aware of how stupid I am at any given moment.
Suck my tomahawk, Roger decided I'm tryin to impress you all with it, so Im going to wave it around.
Oooooh TOMAHAWK Aaaaaah

.
BOO! We wanted a good time! I hope to Jebus that you last longer in bed.

Are you sleeping with poptard? :horrormirth:

Pfft. I fucking wish. Then i could knife him in the tatertots. Fun would be had by all...

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:19:10 AM
Apathycharge, apparently either I interest roger, or [insert name here], but not both at the same time?

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 03:17:09 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
I might be a man-whore, but that doesnt mean I'm a cheap man-whore.

A male wiccan?

This is a new thing for me.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:21:57 AM
While that may be true, flame wars arent incredibly hard to start. Nobody has even touched political theory of anarchy here.

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 03:17:09 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
I might be a man-whore, but that doesnt mean I'm a cheap man-whore.

A male wiccan?

This is a new thing for me.

One of my male friends once converted to Wicca.  I deduced within about 30 sec that a) he had a new gf and b) said gf was "Wicca."

He got really angry with me for making fun of his "religion."

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 03:24:04 AM

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 15, 2011, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 03:17:09 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
I might be a man-whore, but that doesnt mean I'm a cheap man-whore.

A male wiccan?

This is a new thing for me.

One of my male friends once converted to Wicca.  I deduced within about 30 sec that a) he had a new gf and b) said gf was "Wicca."

He got really angry with me for making fun of his "religion."

Hey man, like putting his athame into his gf's chalice is like totally spiritual.

:hippie:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:24:17 AM
Yes, in this particular thread. I'm fairly certain its been poked elsewhere.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:21:57 AM
While that may be true, flame wars arent incredibly hard to start. Nobody has even touched political theory of anarchy here.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
IDGAF about citing, you can rifle through the forum if you'd like though.
Its more fun to just make statements and see what happens.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
IDGAF about citing, you can rifle through the forum if you'd like though.
Its more fun to just make statements and see what happens.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:29:07 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
IDGAF about citing, you can rifle through the forum if you'd like though.
Its more fun to just make statements and see what happens.

Okay, poptard.  Fun's over.

See you in your next incarnation.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:29:35 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
IDGAF about citing, you can rifle through the forum if you'd like though.
Its more fun to just make statements and see what happens.

A big bowl of nothing, that's what. C'mon do something FUN. Like stick your dick in a hornet's nest.  :fap:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:31:43 AM
Neato.
Well, I'm gonna be apathetic.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:32:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

No, I just know you can do better. Remember Frosty the Marine Corps Racist? He was EPIC! Do something more like HIM.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:34:32 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:32:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

No, I just know you can do better. Remember Frosty the Marine Corps Racist? He was EPIC! Do something more like HIM.

That was fucking glorious, wasn't it?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:33:50 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:31:43 AM
Neato.
Well, I'm gonna be apathetic.

Like it's a big surprise.  You know the rules.  You come back here every couple of months, we find you, you get banned.

I'm rather shocked you admitted to it, to be honest.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:35:28 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:34:32 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:32:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

No, I just know you can do better. Remember Frosty the Marine Corps Racist? He was EPIC! Do something more like HIM.

That was fucking glorious, wasn't it?

Oh, hell yeah! I creamed when I read that one. I missed most of it though. :cry:

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:33:50 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:31:43 AM
Neato.
Well, I'm gonna be apathetic.

Like it's a big surprise.  You know the rules.  You come back here every couple of months, we find you, you get banned.

I'm rather shocked you admitted to it, to be honest.

Hes admitted to it in the past if I remember correctly.
I think he just cant help himself but to drop some very subtle(not) hints to his identity when posting.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:37:24 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:35:28 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:34:32 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:32:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

No, I just know you can do better. Remember Frosty the Marine Corps Racist? He was EPIC! Do something more like HIM.

That was fucking glorious, wasn't it?

Oh, hell yeah! I creamed when I read that one. I missed most of it though. :cry:

The part where he raged out over accusations of incompetence in combat was fucking hilarious.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:38:14 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:37:24 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:35:28 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:34:32 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:32:23 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Give me a hornets nest then? Did you miss the previous "oblivious" bits?

No, I just know you can do better. Remember Frosty the Marine Corps Racist? He was EPIC! Do something more like HIM.

That was fucking glorious, wasn't it?

Oh, hell yeah! I creamed when I read that one. I missed most of it though. :cry:

The part where he raged out over accusations of incompetence in combat was fucking hilarious.

Yeah. BRB gonna go bump for teh lulz. :lulz:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:39:23 AM
Well I honestly have no idea what youre talking about as far as previous accounts, If you think Im bullshitting I will give you my Facebook and you can msg me all you want, and Ill reply, and wave it in your face.
I assumed poptard was just a random demeaning name in relation to roger saying i believed in a fruit thingy.

Quote from: Sigmatic on March 15, 2011, 03:40:04 AM
I have learned the folly of taking "lol wat u beleve" threads too seriously.  Ever thus to hackneyed trolls.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:41:23 AM
Wait.. you means could haz more funs?  :fap:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:44:15 AM
Fuck.

Isn't poptard.

:madbanana:

Just some high school kid with a bad case of ADD.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:45:50 AM
What's interesting, though, is that his FB says Florida, and his IP says West Asshole, Kansas.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:46:58 AM
Okay.  You may all begin the horrible feeding noises and gore all over everything, without fear of your target being banned.

See how sweet a Holy Man^TM I am?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:48:18 AM
Yes I do, now that the ban-threats make sense

Quote from: Cainad on March 15, 2011, 03:49:28 AM
Oh hellz to the yes.

IMMA CHARGIN MAH TOMAHAWK!

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:51:57 AM
Idea is applying the concepts of malice and egoism as perfect duties to a society. Malice fails, and egoism is odd, it may or may not fail but seems more likely to fail, hence I basically use it as a justification to assume the worst of everyones intentions.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:00:21 AM
Have fun in your unconscious state for 8-9 hours, I will probably be up a while longer. That last part is for
Lol for a second I pretended people cared if i stayed up longer

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:02:47 AM
Woo =D
You will eventually get to see my shoop da whoop of  a tomahawk.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:19:48 AM
(http://img687.imageshack.us/i/immafirinmahtomahawks.jpg)

QuoteCan't see it.

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 04:25:40 AM

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Yeah, it bothers me though. Maybe someday it won't, like when I really start aging, but for now, I want the party to last forever.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:27:29 AM
Im concerned with dying in more of a 'worried about not having done something worthwhile' way. I figure I'll be okay with dying once I feel that it was all worth it.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:12:57 AM
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7617/immacharginmahtomahawk2.jpg)

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:31:23 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 04:25:40 AM

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Yeah, it bothers me though. Maybe someday it won't, like when I really start aging, but for now, I want the party to last forever.

Hm, I don't think I have as zesty an outlook on life as you then.

QuoteThat shouty mouth is gonna be the official tomahawk face isn't it?  I can see it being an emote soon.

Quote from: pH on March 14, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
Dingo, I say not to use the bible because: The bible is absolute truth. How do we know? The bible is the word of god. How do we know? The bible says its the word of god. How do we know its right? Because its absolute truth. And so on.
Also, belief within Discordianism must vary to some extent.
Nailing people to things is fun, there is a reason nobody here will ever ever actually know my real name.
Rules are there just to avoid immediate raging.
Logic = "I believe x because y, this is how it makes sense to me" as opposed to "My priest/pastor/??? said x, so i said okay" or "x:xx says y, so it must be true"
Requia, kinda missed the irony in rule 1 that bypasses everything else, aaand the 4th one is a restatement of one of the overall rules for the forum.

Like I said and Faust repeated, this thread isnt about Wicca, its about what you people believe. I said I'm Wiccan (eclectic, so you still dont really know what i think past the general idea) just because.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 15, 2011, 04:54:20 AM
Getting back to the wiccan thing, what exactly makes you think that your mahdgick works?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

Quote from: Da6s on March 15, 2011, 05:01:22 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

So when you spellweave is it because you're just too lazy to masturbate?

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 04:14:01 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:02:47 AM
Woo =D
You will eventually get to see my shoop da whoop of  a tomahawk.

Don't get too excited, you don't know why I care. Anyway, to answer the OP:

I am also a filthy Pagan, like yourself. My beliefs are subject to change, but the basic idea is amoral force behind the universe and immortality of souls. I believe these two basic things primarily because it has psychological benefits for me. I don't like the idea having to die someday. "God" has to be amoral, or at least not care/not notice the details mainly because shitty stuff happens.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 15, 2011, 05:06:40 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 04:14:01 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:02:47 AM
Woo =D
You will eventually get to see my shoop da whoop of  a tomahawk.

Don't get too excited, you don't know why I care. Anyway, to answer the OP:

I am also a filthy Pagan, like yourself. My beliefs are subject to change, but the basic idea is amoral force behind the universe and immortality of souls. I believe these two basic things primarily because it has psychological benefits for me. I don't like the idea having to die someday. "God" has to be amoral, or at least not care/not notice the details mainly because shitty stuff happens.

You don't need to be a filthy pagan for that, Blight. You could just be a Deist.

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 15, 2011, 05:09:19 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

So, in other words, you're not really a wiccan at all, you just like to call yourself that in hopes that it will increase your chances to mate with smelly unshaven pagan girls.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 15, 2011, 05:14:31 AM
Ignore me, I blame tapatalk. There were only two pages when I posted I swear.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:11:44 AM
Well, fappage is more tiring me-time, workings are more quiet me-time.

For the bibles, unless its the original text, its has minor mistranslations that get compounded with every translation, so the current bibles you can go to the store and buy are highly unlikely to be the same as the original. Even then, it doesnt seem like the best 'moral compass'-
For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).  God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there.  He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).  He orders another attack and the killing of "all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses" (Joshua 6).  In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married.  When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife.

Aaand im not going incredibly in-depth into my belief system right now, but it lines up with a mildly gardnerian form of wicca

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 04:25:40 AM

Quote from: Nast on March 15, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Yeah, it bothers me though. Maybe someday it won't, like when I really start aging, but for now, I want the party to last forever.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 05:14:19 AM
You're making a mistake here ph.

The Bible gets retranslated frequently. A lot of times they have footnotes explaining that a particular word was used in a certain spot and put it into context. It's not like Bibles are translations of translations of translations. they are direct translations of the original texts

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 05:14:19 AM
ETA: that's why there are so many versions of it. Multiple translations of the same text.

If you wanted to talk about the Bible excluding, say, the Gospel of Thomas, ok that's fine. But also, when the Bible was collated in the form that it is in now, it was after a council of Bishops figured out which Christian texts were getting the most readers. It's not like some old dudes decided that this particular book makes this thing look good so, let's add that. No, it was more to try and cut down on inconsistency and inability to grab the reader's attention.

QuoteI think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

QuoteI think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
I think I got it backward then =/ either Christianity is protestant Catholicism or the other way around, I never remember

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
I think I got it backward then =/ either Christianity is protestant Catholicism or the other way around, I never remember

Quoteif you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM

QuoteI think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:37:14 AM
Yeah, theres about 14 different definitions for witch, but the common assumption is the implication of gothic satanism, which isnt real.

The only real problem I have with taking the bible seriously, aside from circular logic, is the superiority complex that usually accompanies a bible thumping monotheist.

Phox, earlier I said

Quoteif you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously

So no, I dont have them. Problem is, neither do the majority of the followers.

QuoteAs long as you're on the topic Phoxie, what's your take on the suffering a witch to live bit?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:51:02 AM
Gothic satanism isnt a goth who is a satanist, just like Gothic architecture, the German Goth tribe, and Goth music are all different things.
Satanism (that i know of) has two branches that dislike eachother, luciferan and something else that i forget. Technically, Gothic Satanism is stuff like the witches in Hamlet. Mixing dogs tails, newts, bat wings, etc. while chanting, with pointy hats and warts and such. Are there people who follow that? Sure, mental cases and angst-ridden teens trying to be rebellious and badass. Is there a serious established religion of it? Maybe an underground cult of a few people, I'll give you that.

www.evilbible.com, maintained by an ordained priest.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:53:31 AM

QuoteAs long as you're on the topic Phoxie, what's your take on the suffering a witch to live bit?

I'd like to know too.

I have no problem if you show me I'm wrong, I'll change what I say, but until then I'm gonna keep going at it.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:57:22 AM
I have no problem being an idiot, I think we established that earlier too.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:44:18 AM
If my religion is more fake and ridiculous than other religions, it means you find certain religions less fake and ridiculous.
Okay, basic look at general christianity.
Cosmic zombie jew died to remove an evil that was put inside you because a woman who was made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake thousands of years ago, so we need to worship him by telepathically telling him he is our master, and symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
But no, general idea that everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind, magick doesnt work, and there are no sentient or corporeal higher powers, thats the crazy shit right there.

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 15, 2011, 06:01:48 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:44:18 AM
If my religion is more fake and ridiculous than other religions, it means you find certain religions less fake and ridiculous.
Okay, basic look at general christianity.
Cosmic zombie jew died to remove an evil that was put inside you because a woman who was made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake thousands of years ago, so we need to worship him by telepathically telling him he is our master, and symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
But no, general idea that everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind, magick doesnt work, and there are no sentient or corporeal higher powers, thats the crazy shit right there.

1) You seem to be arguing as though someone in this thread is defending christianity as being a useful model.

2) Your last sentence, while a reasonably sensible stance to take, is in no way shape or form compatible with any kind of Wicca.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 15, 2011, 05:52:27 AM
As long as you're on the topic Phoxie, what's your take on the suffering a witch to live bit?

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 15, 2011, 06:01:48 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:44:18 AM
If my religion is more fake and ridiculous than other religions, it means you find certain religions less fake and ridiculous.
Okay, basic look at general christianity.
Cosmic zombie jew died to remove an evil that was put inside you because a woman who was made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake thousands of years ago, so we need to worship him by telepathically telling him he is our master, and symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
But no, general idea that everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind, magick doesnt work, and there are no sentient or corporeal higher powers, thats the crazy shit right there.

1) You seem to be arguing as though someone in this thread is defending christianity as being a useful model.

2) Your last sentence, while a reasonably sensible stance to take, is in no way shape or form compatible with any kind of Wicca.

Quoteyou're working with a collection of stuff that isn't even tertiary knowledge, then challenging the expert

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:00:50 AM
From the wikipedia (yeah, yeah I know):

The words "witch" and "witchcraft" appear in some English versions of the Christian Holy Bible. One verse that is probably responsible for more deaths of suspected witches than any other passage from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) is Exodus 22:18. In the King James Version, this reads: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." The precise meaning of the Hebrew word kashaph, here translated as 'witch' and in some other modern versions, 'sorceress', is uncertain. In the Septuagint it was translated as pharmakeia, meaning 'poisoner', and on this basis, Reginald Scot claimed in the 16th century that 'witch' was an incorrect translation and poisoners were intended.[6] His theory still holds some currency, but is not widely accepted, and in Daniel 2:2 kashaph is listed alongside other magic practitioners who could interpret dreams: magicians, astrologers and Chaldeans.

The Judeo-Christian abhorrence of witches was not peculiar to them. The pagan Roman Empire, Egyptian Empire and Babylonian Empires all developed laws against malevolent witchcraft. The ancient Code of Hammurabi specifically called for death to witches, and also proscribed false accusations of witchcraft:

   If a man has laid a charge of witchcraft and has not justified it, he upon whom the witchcraft is laid shall go to the holy river; he shall plunge into the holy river and if the holy river overcome him, he who accused him shall take to himself his house.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:37:14 AM
The only real problem I have with taking the bible seriously, aside from circular logic, is the superiority complex that usually accompanies a bible thumping monotheist.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:44:18 AM
Okay, basic look at general christianity.
Cosmic zombie jew died to remove an evil that was put inside you because a woman who was made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake thousands of years ago, so we need to worship him by telepathically telling him he is our master, and symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:19:51 AM
Either way, I said a while back that i dont think magick works, so I'm not concerned incredibly with witchcraft legality in roman/babylonian times, although it is interesting. As far as it being Wicca or not, religion is pretty much whatever the hell you want it to be, and if its not there, you add a word or change a letter and call it a new religion or a branch from the original. As for banning usage of the bible, my main problem was circular logic, but I kinda dumped that because it was an inconsistency fallacy to say no bible, but everything else. For content of the bible though, as far as legitimacy, what versions are commonly available and what came first?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:19:51 AM
Either way, I said a while back that i dont think magick works, so I'm not concerned incredibly with witchcraft legality in roman/babylonian times, although it is interesting. As far as it being Wicca or not, religion is pretty much whatever the hell you want it to be, and if its not there, you add a word or change a letter and call it a new religion or a branch from the original. As for banning usage of the bible, my main problem was circular logic, but I kinda dumped that because it was an inconsistency fallacy to say no bible, but everything else. For content of the bible though, as far as legitimacy, what versions are commonly available and what came first?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:30:10 AM
So essentially, "bible" means a collection of several books that varies in both which books it includes and the nuances of the contents of those books?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:30:10 AM
So essentially, "bible" means a collection of several books that varies in both which books it includes and the nuances of the contents of those books?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:39:49 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Your point? English is Germanic, originally. Biblios is Greek, not Latin.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:40:56 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:39:49 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Your point? English is Germanic, originally. Biblios is Greek, not Latin.

He forgot the word library, apparently.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:42:24 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:40:56 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:39:49 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Your point? English is Germanic, originally. Biblios is Greek, not Latin.

He forgot the word library, apparently.

La biblioteca?

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:42:24 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:40:56 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 06:39:49 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:37:44 AM
It was greek or latin =/ its found in spanish and french and english, french and spanish are latin-based languages

Your point? English is Germanic, originally. Biblios is Greek, not Latin.

He forgot the word library, apparently.

La biblioteca?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:44:44 AM
English is originally from west germanic yes, but its also a whore-language that uses latin extensively.

But Blight is right, liguistics =/= Bible stuff.

Well, Since there are a wide variety of different Bibles, interpretations, etc. thats settled pretty much.

Back to the original topic of the thread, though disregarding arbitrarily instated rules?

Y sí, la biblioteca.

And I actually talked to a monotheist friend yesterday about talking to her pastor.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:44:44 AM
English is originally from west germanic yes, but its also a whore-language that uses latin extensively.

But Blight is right, liguistics =/= Bible stuff.

Well, Since there are a wide variety of different Bibles, interpretations, etc. thats settled pretty much.

Back to the original topic of the thread, though disregarding arbitrarily instated rules?

Y sí, la biblioteca.

And I actually talked to a monotheist friend yesterday about talking to her pastor.

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 06:45:54 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:44:44 AM
English is originally from west germanic yes, but its also a whore-language that uses latin extensively.

But Blight is right, liguistics =/= Bible stuff.

Well, Since there are a wide variety of different Bibles, interpretations, etc. thats settled pretty much.

Back to the original topic of the thread, though disregarding arbitrarily instated rules?

Y sí, la biblioteca.

And I actually talked to a monotheist friend yesterday about talking to her pastor.

You just spent several pages griping about poor translations of the Bible, and now you have the gall to say that linguistics should be left out of the discussion?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
And I say monotheist because right now, I honestly cant even remember if shes christian or catholic.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:44:44 AM
English is originally from west germanic yes, but its also a whore-language that uses latin extensively.

But Blight is right, liguistics =/= Bible stuff.

Well, Since there are a wide variety of different Bibles, interpretations, etc. thats settled pretty much.

Back to the original topic of the thread, though disregarding arbitrarily instated rules?

Y sí, la biblioteca.

And I actually talked to a monotheist friend yesterday about talking to her pastor.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
And I say monotheist because right now, I honestly cant even remember if shes christian or catholic.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:49:23 AM

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 06:45:54 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:44:44 AM
English is originally from west germanic yes, but its also a whore-language that uses latin extensively.

But Blight is right, liguistics =/= Bible stuff.

Well, Since there are a wide variety of different Bibles, interpretations, etc. thats settled pretty much.

Back to the original topic of the thread, though disregarding arbitrarily instated rules?

Y sí, la biblioteca.

And I actually talked to a monotheist friend yesterday about talking to her pastor.

You just spent several pages griping about poor translations of the Bible, and now you have the gall to say that linguistics should be left out of the discussion?

That was my suggestion. We can continue it if you like, I just thought that the thread was drifting in a pointless direction.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:08:22 AM
Blight, I can accept that, but see it specifies "malevolent" witchcraft, which meant witchcraft as a whole was okay.
Glitter, google doesnt get past the whole

Quoteyou're working with a collection of stuff that isn't even tertiary knowledge, then challenging the expert

RCP, its based on your statement that wicca is 'more ridiculous', which means other stuff is less ridiculous, and therefore preferable.
"Eclectic Wicca" as a general rule means "Im going to make up a bunch of shit and put it together and say its Wicca". Ive seen people combining egyptian gods with celtic gods and just making up rituals for them that were unrelated to the gods they chose, and calling it wicca.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:54:38 AM
I dont pretend to know everything about linguistics, the point that where the word bible came from isnt relevant to the content of the bible is the point I was making.

And I usually say christian/catholic because though theyre both christian, i doubt a catholic would be too happy if you said they were christian, there is a definition between the two for a reason.
And I dont remember which she is because she mentioned it once about two months ago.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:59:15 AM
Duly noted Blight.

Anyway, any random/interesting/other beliefs present that havent been mentioned?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:01:54 AM
Care to elaborate? My knowledge of that is that its a different spelling of Daoist, and goes with the watchmaker idea

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:01:54 AM
Care to elaborate? My knowledge of that is that its a different spelling of Daoist, and goes with the watchmaker idea

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 15, 2011, 07:08:17 AM
So, would you say that you're conducting a sort of...sociological experiment?

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 15, 2011, 07:10:50 AM
OH SHIT IS JUST AS HE PLANNED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
In a way, yes.

Phox, youre right and wrong. I expected the mildly condescending enlightenment, but I didnt expect you to be trained in linguistics, multiple languages, etc. That was like a bonus.

Donald, you are now breathing manually.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
In a way, yes.

Phox, youre right and wrong. I expected the mildly condescending enlightenment, but I didnt expect you to be trained in linguistics, multiple languages, etc. That was like a bonus.

Donald, you are now breathing manually.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:18:41 AM
At first it was pretty much a troll topic, but I actually am interested in understanding peoples beliefs, and why they hold them. Kinda helps that I'm used to/expect/dont mind being wrong or corrected on a regular basis. Generally if you end up thinking the same way as when you started, you werent asking the right questions.

Blight, its somewhat related to the above, generally people react based on how secure in their beliefs they are. If people become agitated and hostile when their beliefs are questioned, they don't hold them strongly, and i want to know what they are and why. If they take it in stride and reply, they hold their beliefs strongly, and I am more interested in them. If people react like you lot, it means its going to be fun.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:18:41 AM
At first it was pretty much a troll topic, but I actually am interested in understanding peoples beliefs, and why they hold them. Kinda helps that I'm used to/expect/dont mind being wrong or corrected on a regular basis. Generally if you end up thinking the same way as when you started, you werent asking the right questions.

Blight, its somewhat related to the above, generally people react based on how secure in their beliefs they are. If people become agitated and hostile when their beliefs are questioned, they don't hold them strongly, and i want to know what they are and why. If they take it in stride and reply, they hold their beliefs strongly, and I am more interested in them. If people react like you lot, it means its going to be fun.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 07:20:35 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:18:41 AM
At first it was pretty much a troll topic, but I actually am interested in understanding peoples beliefs, and why they hold them. Kinda helps that I'm used to/expect/dont mind being wrong or corrected on a regular basis. Generally if you end up thinking the same way as when you started, you werent asking the right questions.

Blight, its somewhat related to the above, generally people react based on how secure in their beliefs they are. If people become agitated and hostile when their beliefs are questioned, they don't hold them strongly, and i want to know what they are and why. If they take it in stride and reply, they hold their beliefs strongly, and I am more interested in them. If people react like you lot, it means its going to be fun.

Are you serious? *looks at Blight* Is he serious?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:23:58 AM
Generally speaking yeah. Ive never met someone who had decided on their own beliefs and held them solidly that got mad when they were questioned.

Donald, nothing was actually directed at you, i mentioned you lot reacting differently because you are both hostile AND apparently solid beliefs.

Blight, I mean it as interesting. New reactions are hard to come by.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
I still dont understand how someone is so misinformed about christianity.

Chances are if youre a native english speaker youve known christians all your life.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
I still dont understand how someone is so misinformed about christianity.

Chances are if youre a native english speaker youve known christians all your life.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 15, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
I still dont understand how someone is so misinformed about christianity.

Chances are if youre a native english speaker youve known christians all your life.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
Its because you werent defending your beliefs. People defend things they think need defending, thats why bullet proof vests go over the torso but not the arms and legs. If you dont defend it, you feel either that it isnt being or wont be attacked, but more likely that it doesnt need to be defended.

And I would say closer to Agnostic than Atheist, I dont outright reject the concept of a god, I just find it hard to believe and see no proof. But, shit happens, there could be a god.

Donald, I'm well aware of my asshat status and have said so before, and I also believe that any time i was corrected by someone who knows more, I didnt say they were wrong and therefore accepted it.

Glitter, I moved all over the country. Never went to church, never asked about it, pretty much just got general idea because it was taught in school.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
Its because you werent defending your beliefs. People defend things they think need defending, thats why bullet proof vests go over the torso but not the arms and legs. If you dont defend it, you feel either that it isnt being or wont be attacked, but more likely that it doesnt need to be defended.

And I would say closer to Agnostic than Atheist, I dont outright reject the concept of a god, I just find it hard to believe and see no proof. But, shit happens, there could be a god.

Donald, I'm well aware of my asshat status and have said so before, and I also believe that any time i was corrected by someone who knows more, I didnt say they were wrong and therefore accepted it.

Glitter, I moved all over the country. Never went to church, never asked about it, pretty much just got general idea because it was taught in school.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:39:08 AM
The extent of my knowledge of christianity that I am totally sure of:
Christmas is supposed to be Christs birthday
Mary was impregnated by god with jesus
Jesus was born in a stable
egypt was involved somewhere
3 kings gave gifts
it involves a bible
it involves a hierarchal structure currently
it has churches
moses parted the red sea
jews
burning tree, ark
10 commandments

thats about it that i know is correct, without a doubt.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:39:08 AM
The extent of my knowledge of christianity that I am totally sure of:
Christmas is supposed to be Christs birthday
Mary was impregnated by god with jesus
Jesus was born in a stable
egypt was involved somewhere
3 kings gave gifts
it involves a bible
it involves a hierarchal structure currently
it has churches
moses parted the red sea
jews
burning tree, ark
10 commandments

thats about it that i know is correct, without a doubt.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:40:14 AM
I never assaulted an ideology, I questioned whether or not the bible was valid primarily, that just waved around the fact that I dont know a lot about christianity.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:45:24 AM
I mainly say wicca because i believe in karma as a guarantee that everything will reach some kind of equilibrium, i refer to the lady and her consort basically as pretend figures that mentally represent the two balanced forces, true i dont believe in magick, and as far as afterlife, i believe in a "rebirthing" cycle as in you will decompose and bits of you will be "reborn" as bits of grass above your grave eventually.

Donald- correct, and in doing so have achieved a better understanding of it, sooo Im not seeing where it went wrong.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:53:33 AM
The early bits? The whole torah part? Old testament? Some of that was probably redundant or wrong, but I know there were jews in there.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:50:54 AM
Feel free to be disappointed, words are words. You said you're trained in linguistics, you should know as well as anyone that words and their meanings change over time. Why not screw up the "over time" bit?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
Slaves in egypt, did the whole 'let my people go' bit, plagues and raining frogs, raining fire, and river turned to blood, followed by mass exodus and parting of the sea?

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
Slaves in egypt, did the whole 'let my people go' bit, plagues and raining frogs, raining fire, and river turned to blood, followed by mass exodus and parting of the sea?

No, those weren't Jews those were Sumerians.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
The sad part is that I'm in the top 2% according to SAT and state standardized testing.

Oh. I saw some thing during sophomore year that said they were jews. High school screwed me over there.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 08:01:30 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
Slaves in egypt, did the whole 'let my people go' bit, plagues and raining frogs, raining fire, and river turned to blood, followed by mass exodus and parting of the sea?

No, those weren't Jews those were Sumerians.

Quite right. Jews are mentioned precisely twice in the Bible. Once in Galatians 24:!7, and once in the Book of Enoch, though the verse eludes me at the moment.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:45:24 AM
I mainly say wicca because i believe in karma as a guarantee that everything will reach some kind of equilibrium, i refer to the lady and her consort basically as pretend figures that mentally represent the two balanced forces, true i dont believe in magick, and as far as afterlife, i believe in a "rebirthing" cycle as in you will decompose and bits of you will be "reborn" as bits of grass above your grave eventually.

Donald- correct, and in doing so have achieved a better understanding of it, sooo Im not seeing where it went wrong.

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
22 since I went to bed. This can't be good. Anyone want to give me a summary of what happened?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

QuoteI think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 06:43:02 AM
So, anyway, ph, I would recommend that you actually go to church regularly for a while. And I can't believe I'm suggesting that. But it might be helpful to get your information about Christianity from a Christian source. It may be boring as hell, but you'll at least be better informed about the whole thing. Talk to some priests.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 06:54:38 AM
I dont pretend to know everything about linguistics, the point that where the word bible came from isnt relevant to the content of the bible is the point I was making.

And I usually say christian/catholic because though theyre both christian, i doubt a catholic would be too happy if you said they were christian, there is a definition between the two for a reason.
And I dont remember which she is because she mentioned it once about two months ago.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
In a way, yes.

Phox, youre right and wrong. I expected the mildly condescending enlightenment, but I didnt expect you to be trained in linguistics, multiple languages, etc. That was like a bonus.

Donald, you are now breathing manually.

Quote from: ph2. Logic, logic, and logic. If you can't at least pretend there is some vague semblance of logical thought, you lose.

Quote from: phThough retarded, potentially and most likely completely illogical, unreliable, useless, and a pointless waste of time in every way except as a tool to waste my time, I decided they [his choice of philosophers] are mine.

Quote from: phPeople defend things they think need defending, thats why bullet proof vests go over the torso but not the arms and legs. If you dont defend it, you feel either that it isnt being or wont be attacked, but more likely that it doesnt need to be defended.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 15, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
Thank you for the lovely introduction, Roger.

QuoteLogic = "I believe x because y, this is how it makes sense to me" as opposed to "My priest/pastor/??? said x, so i said okay" or "x:xx says y, so it must be true"

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
Slaves in egypt, did the whole 'let my people go' bit, plagues and raining frogs, raining fire, and river turned to blood, followed by mass exodus and parting of the sea?

No, those weren't Jews those were Sumerians.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
and i like how the word 'wicca' sounds."

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
As for karma, i see it as everything will have an opposite in some way that will balance and eventually negate or at least lessen its effect.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
And Roger, I'm in Florida now, but I was born in Alaska and grew up more around San Francisco. 

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
The second point is somewhat irrelevant to the question I posed. I wanted ph to explain what significance the Jews had in the Bible, since it was just a vague one word item on his list. Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

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Quote from: pH on Today at 02:57:20 AM
Slaves in egypt, did the whole 'let my people go' bit, plagues and raining frogs, raining fire, and river turned to blood, followed by mass exodus and parting of the sea?


No, those weren't Jews those were Sumerians.




There is no evidence that Egyptians had great numbers of slaves (let alone an entire race). There is no evidence that Hebrews (or Sumerians) were held captive in Egypt. There is evidence that the Hyksos invaded and ruled over parts of Egypt for a time... but they were most likely of Canaanite and Amorite descent.

There is also no evidence of a mass exodus from Egypt through the desert to Israel (nor evidence for Israel at that time in history).

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Ratatosk, I'm using the labels becuase though it isnt exact, its generally simpler to say "eclectic wicca" than go into explaining my full belief system if it comes up in conversation,

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:25:05 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
The second point is somewhat irrelevant to the question I posed. I wanted ph to explain what significance the Jews had in the Bible, since it was just a vague one word item on his list. Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Ah I see your point.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
Roger, i know you hate me, so I'm going to glady carry on calling it Wicca because i like to.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Balls.  Elijah taught those UFOs a thing or two about coming around here slumming.  He was fucking hardcore, and killed the alien with one punch.  No whimpering about a probing from HIM, let me tell you.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
Roger, i know you hate me, so I'm going to glady carry on calling it Wicca because i like to.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Balls.  Elijah taught those UFOs a thing or two about coming around here slumming.  He was fucking hardcore, and killed the alien with one punch.  No whimpering about a probing from HIM, let me tell you.

Did he "Welcome to Earth" as he did so? That's what it says in the New English Standard Edition.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
Just one of those Holy^tm characteristics.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
Roger, i know you hate me, so I'm going to glady carry on calling it Wicca because i like to.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Ratatosk, I'm using the labels becuase though it isnt exact, its generally simpler to say "eclectic wicca" than go into explaining my full belief system if it comes up in conversation, although how close i am to 'correct' Wicca varies depending on how life is going for me, only the general concepts you mentioned that I had said never change.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Balls.  Elijah taught those UFOs a thing or two about coming around here slumming.  He was fucking hardcore, and killed the alien with one punch.  No whimpering about a probing from HIM, let me tell you.

Did he "Welcome to Earth" as he did so? That's what it says in the New English Standard Edition.

Well, yes, but that was just a one-liner.  Like Bruce Willis does.

And then he sent that grey, goggle-eyed bastard home in a bag.  You have to remember that this was a time when the next village over was considered to be Godless, subhuman foreign trash...Imagine how they'd feel about an actual alien.  It occurs to me that the Native Americans would have been better off with a horrible crankey old Hebrew prophet or three.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
My aunt is in a coven, I'm currently on the whole year-and-a-day bit.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
My aunt is in a coven, I'm currently on the whole year-and-a-day bit.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Balls.  Elijah taught those UFOs a thing or two about coming around here slumming.  He was fucking hardcore, and killed the alien with one punch.  No whimpering about a probing from HIM, let me tell you.

Did he "Welcome to Earth" as he did so? That's what it says in the New English Standard Edition.

Well, yes, but that was just a one-liner.  Like Bruce Willis does.

And then he sent that grey, goggle-eyed bastard home in a bag.  You have to remember that this was a time when the next village over was considered to be Godless, subhuman foreign trash...Imagine how they'd feel about an actual alien.  It occurs to me that the Native Americans would have been better off with a horrible crankey old Hebrew prophet or three.

The golden tablets said they did ;)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:44:07 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Of course the Bible might not be 100% accurate in regard to history.

Balls.  Elijah taught those UFOs a thing or two about coming around here slumming.  He was fucking hardcore, and killed the alien with one punch.  No whimpering about a probing from HIM, let me tell you.

Did he "Welcome to Earth" as he did so? That's what it says in the New English Standard Edition.

Well, yes, but that was just a one-liner.  Like Bruce Willis does.

And then he sent that grey, goggle-eyed bastard home in a bag.  You have to remember that this was a time when the next village over was considered to be Godless, subhuman foreign trash...Imagine how they'd feel about an actual alien.  It occurs to me that the Native Americans would have been better off with a horrible crankey old Hebrew prophet or three.

The golden tablets said they did ;)

:crankey:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:45:21 PM
Pretty much yeah. Odd tradition, less focused on magick as effective than magick as a fancy way of saying meditation to achieve some kind of enlightenment, but they havent told me much yet. All thats supposed to come in the next few months.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:45:21 PM
Pretty much yeah. Odd tradition, less focused on magick as effective than magick as a fancy way of saying meditation to achieve some kind of enlightenment, but they havent told me much yet. All thats supposed to come in the next few months.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on March 15, 2011, 03:46:05 PM
:lulz:

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

There's nothing to be done about it.  This is the 21st century, and one of the tribulations our foul species has earned from an angry God is a plague of patchouli-stinking Pagans with but a nodding aquaintance to personal hygiene, waddling around all "skyclad" and making us all turn to substandard drugs. 

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Ratatosk, I'm using the labels becuase though it isnt exact, its generally simpler to say "eclectic wicca" than go into explaining my full belief system if it comes up in conversation, although how close i am to 'correct' Wicca varies depending on how life is going for me, only the general concepts you mentioned that I had said never change.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
The sad part is that I'm in the top 2% according to SAT and state standardized testing.

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

There's nothing to be done about it.  This is the 21st century, and one of the tribulations our foul species has earned from an angry God is a plague of patchouli-stinking Pagans with but a nodding aquaintance to personal hygiene, waddling around all "skyclad" and making us all turn to substandard drugs. 

But I thought you were a rain god... can't you wash away the smell?

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

There's nothing to be done about it.  This is the 21st century, and one of the tribulations our foul species has earned from an angry God is a plague of patchouli-stinking Pagans with but a nodding aquaintance to personal hygiene, waddling around all "skyclad" and making us all turn to substandard drugs. 

But I thought you were a rain god... can't you wash away the smell?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:55:39 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

There's nothing to be done about it.  This is the 21st century, and one of the tribulations our foul species has earned from an angry God is a plague of patchouli-stinking Pagans with but a nodding aquaintance to personal hygiene, waddling around all "skyclad" and making us all turn to substandard drugs. 

But I thought you were a rain god... can't you wash away the smell?

I can, but I won't.  I warned you mahdjgickgque guys this would happen, but you wouldn't listen.  Now you see the wrath of an offended universe.  It's the logical end result of treating this shit as anything other than an object of scorn.

A merciful God would blind you in the bargain...But mercy isn't in my ideom, so you'll have to walk around LOOKING at this shit.  In fact, if I could be arsed, I'd pin all of your eyes open.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
The sad part is that I'm in the top 2% according to SAT and state standardized testing.

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:56:33 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:55:39 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
ROGER

IT HURTS!!

There's nothing to be done about it.  This is the 21st century, and one of the tribulations our foul species has earned from an angry God is a plague of patchouli-stinking Pagans with but a nodding aquaintance to personal hygiene, waddling around all "skyclad" and making us all turn to substandard drugs. 

But I thought you were a rain god... can't you wash away the smell?

I can, but I won't.  I warned you mahdjgickgque guys this would happen, but you wouldn't listen.  Now you see the wrath of an offended universe.  It's the logical end result of treating this shit as anything other than an object of scorn.

A merciful God would blind you in the bargain...But mercy isn't in my ideom, so you'll have to walk around LOOKING at this shit.  In fact, if I could be arsed, I'd pin all of your eyes open.

Looks like its time for me to whip out mah sigils then.

Now where is that KY...

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Saying "the sad part" is called "subtly ridiculing tests"
With shopenhauer and kant, its assuming shopenhauer is right, and then using kant to prove all people are Immoral, not moral.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Saying "the sad part" is called "subtly ridiculing tests"
With shopenhauer and kant, its assuming shopenhauer is right, and then using kant to prove all people are Immoral, not moral.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:03:50 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Saying "the sad part" is called "subtly ridiculing tests"
With shopenhauer and kant, its assuming shopenhauer is right, and then using kant to prove all people are Immoral, not moral.

Because you can just use two completely different ideologies and mix and match as you please, right?  :lulz:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:08:43 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Only works over ferrous metal.  Sorry.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Well, the idea is more of creating a solenoid and putting ionized air through it with one half airtight, in the hopes that it will be repelled by the magnetic field and achieve 1-2PSI, over a relatively wide surface area.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:08:17 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:03:50 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Saying "the sad part" is called "subtly ridiculing tests"
With shopenhauer and kant, its assuming shopenhauer is right, and then using kant to prove all people are Immoral, not moral.

Because you can just use two completely different ideologies and mix and match as you please, right?  :lulz:

"I'M AN ECLECTIC PAGAN AND I WORSHIP LOKI AND MORRIGAN AND SOME GOD FROM EGYPT THAT TAPPED ME, CALLED BAST.  ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM?"

Because the "eclectic" is the hipster of the Pagan world.  "I was all into The Lord and Lady until they sold out and went commercial.  Now I'm into underground Gods."

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Well, the idea is more of creating a solenoid and putting ionized air through it with one half airtight, in the hopes that it will be repelled by the magnetic field and achieve 1-2PSI, over a relatively wide surface area.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Well, the idea is more of creating a solenoid and putting ionized air through it with one half airtight, in the hopes that it will be repelled by the magnetic field and achieve 1-2PSI, over a relatively wide surface area.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:16:09 PM
Solenoid- electromagnet without a core, Ionized air- charged ions of air
The problem with the concept is the fact that the magnetic field of a solenoid spins.

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 04:10:27 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:08:43 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Only works over ferrous metal.  Sorry.

That's abuse of Ferrets. I know they are magical and can help your hoverboards float... but its no excuse!

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:14:31 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Well, the idea is more of creating a solenoid and putting ionized air through it with one half airtight, in the hopes that it will be repelled by the magnetic field and achieve 1-2PSI, over a relatively wide surface area.

Again. You use words you don't really understand. You should really stop doing that.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM

The first goal isnt to lift anything except the craft, just a proof of concept at this point.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix. In physics, the term solenoid refers to a long, thin loop of wire, often wrapped around a metallic core, which produces a magnetic field when an electric current is passed through it. Solenoids are important because they can create controlled magnetic fields and can be used as electromagnets. The term solenoid refers specifically to a magnet designed to produce a uniform magnetic field in a volume of space (where some experiment might be carried out).

In engineering, the term solenoid may also refer to a variety of transducer devices that convert energy into linear motion. The term is also often used to refer to a solenoid valve, which is an integrated device containing an electromechanical solenoid which actuates either a pneumatic or hydraulic valve, or a solenoid switch, which is a specific type of relay that internally uses an electromechanical solenoid to operate an electrical switch; for example, an automobile starter solenoid, or a linear solenoid, which is an electromechanical solenoid.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
That was a copy/paste from a google search of 'solenoid'
Is there any time consuming way to make a solenoid instead of paying $90 for one? My dads an avionics technician in the coast guard, so i have access to any tools or equipment i might need.

And i have to finish the liquid nitrogen bombs before I can raid Utah.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:35:24 PM
Im actually going to try to see the physics professor this week to see how much PSI could possibly be generated and if the idea could theoretically work.

And blast gauntlets on what principle? Bolts of lightning, hand cannons, or your hands blow up?

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
Generally the professors here will take it seriously for 30 seconds, think about it, and then explain exactly how and why youre wrong.

And this is the third or fourth time we've come back to my obliviousness.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
Okay, if you don't see how that paragraph makes your definition false, then you REALLY don't understand anything you are talking about. It's just so... obvious.  :lulz:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:47:37 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
Okay, if you don't see how that paragraph makes your definition false, then you REALLY don't understand anything you are talking about. It's just so... obvious.  :lulz:

Do not stomp on the dreams of maniacs.  If he doesn't kill himself first, he may very well be a fine addition to Mad Science.  He has the drive, just no useful experience.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:47:37 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
Okay, if you don't see how that paragraph makes your definition false, then you REALLY don't understand anything you are talking about. It's just so... obvious.  :lulz:

Do not stomp on the dreams of maniacs.  If he doesn't kill himself first, he may very well be a fine addition to Mad Science.  He has the drive, just no useful experience.

I suppose, you're right, Roger.Still makes me giggle.  :lol:

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix. In physics, the term solenoid refers to a long, thin loop of wire, often wrapped around a metallic core, which produces a magnetic field when an electric current is passed through it. Solenoids are important because they can create controlled magnetic fields and can be used as electromagnets. The term solenoid refers specifically to a magnet designed to produce a uniform magnetic field in a volume of space (where some experiment might be carried out).

In engineering, the term solenoid may also refer to a variety of transducer devices that convert energy into linear motion. The term is also often used to refer to a solenoid valve, which is an integrated device containing an electromechanical solenoid which actuates either a pneumatic or hydraulic valve, or a solenoid switch, which is a specific type of relay that internally uses an electromechanical solenoid to operate an electrical switch; for example, an automobile starter solenoid, or a linear solenoid, which is an electromechanical solenoid.

I referred to the first use, you referred to the second.

Positively ionized air is repelled by positive charge magnetic field, negatively ionized air is repelled by negative magnetic field. I trust the physics professor more than random internet thoughts, unless you have a degree of some sort to argue otherwise.

The first goal isnt to lift anything except the craft, just a proof of concept at this point.

• while ionised air will react to a solenoids magnetic field it will not be coherent because of the random convection of air, you will not get a coherent energy build up.
• even ionised air doesn't react as well to the magnetic field as a ferromagnetic material would, the amount of energy needed would defeat the purpose of the device
• The coils ability would also depend on its size, are you a warehouse? if not do not consider these a viable accessory.
• Coils heat up, the more windings the more heat generated, if you cant use copper and you don't have some magical superconductor expect it to melt as soon as its turned on

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 15, 2011, 05:37:58 PM
This the ratio of this thread to dildoes is rapidly approaching 1.

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
if you think I'm reading 20-odd pages of this bullshit, you're sadly mistaken. OP - "I'm a wiccan"

all I need to know  :argh!:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
holy shit - we got a motorcycle emote now. About fucking time!

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 08:44:02 PM

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
holy shit - we got a motorcycle emote now. About fucking time!

We've had it for a year or so.

You were too busy fucking off doing whatever it is you Scots do when nobody's looking.

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2011, 08:52:04 PM
Drinking is merely the catalyst. It's what we get up to when drunk that leaves our tourists in therapy :evil:

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 15, 2011, 08:52:04 PM
Drinking is merely the catalyst. It's what we get up to when drunk that leaves our tourists in therapy :evil:

And your sheep in trauma.

Or is that the Welsh?  I can't tell you guys apart.

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 07:18:41 AM
At first it was pretty much a troll topic, but I actually am interested in understanding peoples beliefs, and why they hold them. Kinda helps that I'm used to/expect/dont mind being wrong or corrected on a regular basis. Generally if you end up thinking the same way as when you started, you werent asking the right questions.

Blight, its somewhat related to the above, generally people react based on how secure in their beliefs they are. If people become agitated and hostile when their beliefs are questioned, they don't hold them strongly, and i want to know what they are and why. If they take it in stride and reply, they hold their beliefs strongly, and I am more interested in them. If people react like you lot, it means its going to be fun.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:21:40 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 04:10:27 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:08:43 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Only works over ferrous metal.  Sorry.

That's abuse of Ferrets. I know they are magical and can help your hoverboards float... but its no excuse!

Science requires heaps of dead rodents to move forward.  It's sad, but that's the way it is.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:25:48 PM

Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix.

Yes.  You buy a solenoid valve at Grainger and pop the spool out of it.  $90, done.  UNNNNNG!

Don't lecture me, kid.  I've been assembling oddball shit since you were a dirty thought.

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:33:38 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Balls.  Did Darth Vader blow up those Alderran tards with a hover board?

Fuck no.

GIANT.  FUCKING.  LASER.

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 11:36:17 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:33:38 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Balls.  Did Darth Vader blow up those Alderran tards with a hover board?

Fuck no.

GIANT.  FUCKING.  LASER.

Gaint lasers aren't cool any more according to the youth of today it always has to be rail gun or nanomachines with this lot.
Personally I want a tesla coil on the roof of my house, and I'm actually in a very good position now to make it.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:43:59 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 11:36:17 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:33:38 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Balls.  Did Darth Vader blow up those Alderran tards with a hover board?

Fuck no.

GIANT.  FUCKING.  LASER.

Gaint lasers aren't cool any more according to the youth of today it always has to be rail gun or nanomachines with this lot.
Personally I want a tesla coil on the roof of my house, and I'm actually in a very good position now to make it.

Also, rail guns present an interesting technical problem, where the pull from one magnet is fighting the drag from the next, even if you cut the power to the magnets in series.  I'm thinking you'd have to degauss the magnets in series with a jolt of AC current.

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 11:48:42 PM

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Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Balls.  Did Darth Vader blow up those Alderran tards with a hover board?

Fuck no.

GIANT.  FUCKING.  LASER.

Gaint lasers aren't cool any more according to the youth of today it always has to be rail gun or nanomachines with this lot.
Personally I want a tesla coil on the roof of my house, and I'm actually in a very good position now to make it.

Also, rail guns present an interesting technical problem, where the pull from one magnet is fighting the drag from the next, even if you cut the power to the magnets in series.  I'm thinking you'd have to degauss the magnets in series with a jolt of AC current.

That's how the prototype on the ship does it. The degauss can only work so fast so they need a good spacing between the magnets to allow for the projectile to accelerate while also getting the timing right on the switching, ends up being massive, hence only ship mounted.

Quote from: pH on March 16, 2011, 01:35:50 AM
Skinny jeans are for retards and women, I wear regular jeans and collared shirts.

Giant lasers are badass, but as far as weapons go, a depleted uranium core HEAT round can put a hole in pretty much anything.
Although I do know some AC-130s are fitted with lasers in the nose of the plane that are linked with tracking systems to shoot down incoming missiles.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 16, 2011, 12:00:02 AM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 11:48:42 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:43:59 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 11:36:17 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 11:33:38 PM

Quote from: Faust on March 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Look at least he said hoverboard instead of rail gun, which is the standard choice of magic tech idiots choose these days.
There is something altogether wholesome about delusions of making a hover board instead of weaponry.

Balls.  Did Darth Vader blow up those Alderran tards with a hover board?

Fuck no.

GIANT.  FUCKING.  LASER.

Gaint lasers aren't cool any more according to the youth of today it always has to be rail gun or nanomachines with this lot.
Personally I want a tesla coil on the roof of my house, and I'm actually in a very good position now to make it.

Also, rail guns present an interesting technical problem, where the pull from one magnet is fighting the drag from the next, even if you cut the power to the magnets in series.  I'm thinking you'd have to degauss the magnets in series with a jolt of AC current.

That's how the prototype on the ship does it. The degauss can only work so fast so they need a good spacing between the magnets to allow for the projectile to accelerate while also getting the timing right on the switching, ends up being massive, hence only ship mounted.

What velocity are we talking, here? 

Also, lesson learned from this magic tech idiot:  Do never use PVC pipe as the rail.   :lulz:

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

Quote from: pH on March 16, 2011, 03:46:58 PM

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

Then my work here is done.
Not really, but its getting there.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 16, 2011, 04:09:26 PM

Quote from: pH on March 16, 2011, 03:46:58 PM

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

Then my work here is done.
Not really, but its getting there.

Pledge.

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

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Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

I gave up after the 4th page, then dipped back to the last one to see if it had gotten any better.

That's like taking milk out of the fridge, finding out it's bad, sticking it back in the fridge and expecting it to somehow be good the next time you open the fridge.

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
True, but I have eaten a two week old prawn sandwich before without ill effects. 

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 16, 2011, 04:16:57 PM

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
True, but I have eaten a two week old prawn sandwich before without ill effects. 

That's due to your prolonged exposure to English cooking.  That would have killed anyone outside of the UK or West Virgina.

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Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

That's like taking milk out of the fridge, finding out it's bad, sticking it back in the fridge and expecting it to somehow be good the next time you open the fridge.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 16, 2011, 04:09:26 PM

Quote from: pH on March 16, 2011, 03:46:58 PM

Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
This thread is stupid and I feel stupid for having even skimmed it.

Then my work here is done.
Not really, but its getting there.

Pledge.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
Having looked at this thread again, it occurs to me that people should pay me for providing them with  someone to rebel against.

:lulz:

Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 25, 2011, 06:54:34 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
Having looked at this thread again, it occurs to me that people should pay me for providing them with  someone to rebel against.

:lulz:

:crankey: