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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: von on May 03, 2013, 01:44:13 am

Title: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 01:44:13 am
It was a concealable, downsized assault rifle.

(http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/notes/notesak/akpistolbuild/akars15.jpg)

AKM sbr anyone? If manufactured in this configuration, it's technically a pistol.

(http://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/495/media/images/Kel-Tec_PLR-16.jpg)

And then we have this beautiful little toy from Kel-Tec; the Kel-Tec PLR-16. It's a pistol, but it has a gas-impingment action similar to the AR-15, fires the glorious 5.56x45/.223 remington cartridge of glorious capitalism, and takes STANAG magazines in certain configurations -- for all intents, it to is naught but an SBR, but since it was manufactured as a pistol, the name sticks with it.

(http://texasgunblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mosin-pistol.jpeg)

Finally, pistol of glorious soviet motherland, the obrez is a "pistol"...that was made from the glorious remains of that hero of stalingrad -- the m91/30 mosin-nagant rifle. It fire glorious 7.62x54r, full powered, capitalist pig killing, rifle cartidges.... :fap:


But, yes, I tend to think that the media would be unaware of these glorious devices, and thus it probably is indeed a case of journalistic stupidity...
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 02:11:41 am
It was a concealable, downsized assault rifle.

(http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/notes/notesak/akpistolbuild/akars15.jpg)

AKM sbr anyone? If manufactured in this configuration, it's technically a pistol.

(http://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/495/media/images/Kel-Tec_PLR-16.jpg)

And then we have this beautiful little toy from Kel-Tec; the Kel-Tec PLR-16. It's a pistol, but it has a gas-impingment action similar to the AR-15, fires the glorious 5.56x45/.223 remington cartridge of glorious capitalism, and takes STANAG magazines in certain configurations -- for all intents, it to is naught but an SBR, but since it was manufactured as a pistol, the name sticks with it.

(http://texasgunblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mosin-pistol.jpeg)

Finally, pistol of glorious soviet motherland, the obrez is a "pistol"...that was made from the glorious remains of that hero of stalingrad -- the m91/30 mosin-nagant rifle. It fire glorious 7.62x54r, full powered, capitalist pig killing, rifle cartidges.... :fap:


But, yes, I tend to think that the media would be unaware of these glorious devices, and thus it probably is indeed a case of journalistic stupidity...

Herp, a Derp, a Derp Derp Derp?
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 02:17:29 am
It was a concealable, downsized assault rifle.

(http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/notes/notesak/akpistolbuild/akars15.jpg)

AKM sbr anyone? If manufactured in this configuration, it's technically a pistol.

(http://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/495/media/images/Kel-Tec_PLR-16.jpg)

And then we have this beautiful little toy from Kel-Tec; the Kel-Tec PLR-16. It's a pistol, but it has a gas-impingment action similar to the AR-15, fires the glorious 5.56x45/.223 remington cartridge of glorious capitalism, and takes STANAG magazines in certain configurations -- for all intents, it to is naught but an SBR, but since it was manufactured as a pistol, the name sticks with it.

(http://texasgunblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mosin-pistol.jpeg)

Finally, pistol of glorious soviet motherland, the obrez is a "pistol"...that was made from the glorious remains of that hero of stalingrad -- the m91/30 mosin-nagant rifle. It fire glorious 7.62x54r, full powered, capitalist pig killing, rifle cartidges.... :fap:


But, yes, I tend to think that the media would be unaware of these glorious devices, and thus it probably is indeed a case of journalistic stupidity...

Herp, a Derp, a Derp Derp Derp?

Well, if we're on that then...


Fuck yourself and may your mother's anus swell with the festering pustules of kaposi's sarcoma due to her aids. And may it be also, that your genitals become mutilated by a lawnmower and it be that all who see you rile insults upon you for your disgustingly mutilated penis and/or vulva :argh!:

Also, fuck you
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 02:32:50 am
Thread is now about how much Von Zwinkle wants us to know how much he knows about guns.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: The Johnny on May 03, 2013, 02:35:15 am
Thread is now about how much Von Zwinkle wants us to know how much he knows wanks off thinking about guns.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 02:38:23 am
Thread is now about how much Von Zwinkle wants us to know how much he knows wanks off thinking about guns.

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pwoblem?

Anyway, my point was to demostrate that the idea of "concealed rifle" isn't so dumb as it initially appeared...and yes, to fap to guns...
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 02:47:12 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 02:51:35 am
Thread is now about how much Von Zwinkle wants us to know how much he knows wanks off thinking about guns.

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pwoblem?

Anyway, my point was to demostrate that the idea of "concealed rifle" isn't so dumb as it initially appeared...and yes, to fap to guns...

Well, congratulations, you're the center of attention, much like a screaming six-year-old at the grocery store. I don't suppose you mind if everyone else carries on the conversation now, do you?
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 02:51:45 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.

Although the example presented isn't capable of automatic fire, the AKM pistol here could very well be made from an automatic AK variant if someone was willing to do the conversion. Likewise, an M4/M16 could be made as an sbr/"pistol" just like the many AR-15 pistols on the market today, so realistically speaking, the concepts presented in the examples i gave still hold water...

Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 02:53:13 am
Thread is now about how much Von Zwinkle wants us to know how much he knows wanks off thinking about guns.

 :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:

pwoblem?

Anyway, my point was to demostrate that the idea of "concealed rifle" isn't so dumb as it initially appeared...and yes, to fap to guns...

Well, congratulations, you're the center of attention, much like a screaming six-year-old at the grocery store. I don't suppose you mind if everyone else carries on the conversation now, do you?

Yes, please...carry on then.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 03, 2013, 02:58:59 am
Apparently they didn't lock the place down or anything. Seen on fapbook earlier:

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Houston shooting in our Terminal, made our connection by seconds, Pissed, lost our Buzz!!
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 03:00:16 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.

Although the example presented isn't capable of automatic fire, the AKM pistol here could very well be made from an automatic AK variant if someone was willing to do the conversion. Likewise, an M4/M16 could be made as an sbr/"pistol" just like the many AR-15 pistols on the market today, so realistically speaking, the concepts presented in the examples i gave still hold water...

So apart from the fact they're not selective fire weapons, do not provision to fire from the shoulder, have lower effective ranges than assault rifles and, in one case, don't have a detachable cartridge, they're just like assault rifles.

By that standard, every firearm from the musket onwards is an assault rifle.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 03, 2013, 03:04:58 am
So four shots, one in the ceiling, one shooting at himself, and one the cop firing a shot. That doesn't sound like he was looking to show off heavy artillery. I can imagine how thrilled everyone was, to be interviewed before they could leave.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 03:06:52 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.

Although the example presented isn't capable of automatic fire, the AKM pistol here could very well be made from an automatic AK variant if someone was willing to do the conversion. Likewise, an M4/M16 could be made as an sbr/"pistol" just like the many AR-15 pistols on the market today, so realistically speaking, the concepts presented in the examples i gave still hold water...

So apart from the fact they're not selective fire weapons, do not provision to fire from the shoulder, have lower effective ranges than assault rifles and, in one case, don't have a detachable cartridge, they're just like assault rifles.

By that standard, every firearm from the musket onwards is an assault rifle.

Oy veh...

full auto SBRs do exist. And like assault rifles, they're good for engagements under 300m, fire intermediate cartidges and are select fire. I can see your point in saying that an SBR isn't an assault rifle, but in all honesty, cutting down an assault rifle/strapping a short barrel on an assault rifle reciever is very possible.

let's get into the harder waters of disentagling firearms nomenclature, though. Is a full auto pistol calibre carbine still a pistol calibre carbine, or an SMG?

Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 06:13:43 am
I think you're missing the larger point where you murdered a joke with common pedantry.

Except, that's what you're here for, so I guess, good for you then. Well done. You've shown us all the depths of your cleverness. Thank you.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 06:29:19 am
I think you're missing the larger point where you murdered a joke with common pedantry short-barreled rifles.

Except, that's what you're here for, so I guess, good for you then. Well done. You've shown us all the depths of your cleverness. Thank you.

Now THATS funny...
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Ben Shapiro on May 03, 2013, 07:20:33 am
The asshat is defintely one of bink's friend. I have to figure out who. Going with that Jeff Hamiliton, Andrew Bitner, or Taylor Bloom from the HFT.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 08:32:37 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.

Although the example presented isn't capable of automatic fire, the AKM pistol here could very well be made from an automatic AK variant if someone was willing to do the conversion. Likewise, an M4/M16 could be made as an sbr/"pistol" just like the many AR-15 pistols on the market today, so realistically speaking, the concepts presented in the examples i gave still hold water...

So apart from the fact they're not selective fire weapons, do not provision to fire from the shoulder, have lower effective ranges than assault rifles and, in one case, don't have a detachable cartridge, they're just like assault rifles.

By that standard, every firearm from the musket onwards is an assault rifle.

Oy veh...

full auto SBRs do exist. And like assault rifles, they're good for engagements under 300m, fire intermediate cartidges and are select fire. I can see your point in saying that an SBR isn't an assault rifle, but in all honesty, cutting down an assault rifle/strapping a short barrel on an assault rifle reciever is very possible.

let's get into the harder waters of disentagling firearms nomenclature, though. Is a full auto pistol calibre carbine still a pistol calibre carbine, or an SMG?

YES, YES, it is very important to get bogged down in semantics! Please also quote Monty Python at me baby, u love it?
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: The Johnny on May 03, 2013, 08:56:05 am

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37485996.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 09:15:47 am

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37485996.jpg)

This whole idea of "persistant identity" is difficult for me to grasp....
 
Regardless, at this juncture, I can only concede and admit defeat.
GG johnny...GG
 :eek:
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 09:21:24 am
I didn't say rifles, I said assault rifles.  Which incidentally, none of those fit the description of.

Although the example presented isn't capable of automatic fire, the AKM pistol here could very well be made from an automatic AK variant if someone was willing to do the conversion. Likewise, an M4/M16 could be made as an sbr/"pistol" just like the many AR-15 pistols on the market today, so realistically speaking, the concepts presented in the examples i gave still hold water...

So apart from the fact they're not selective fire weapons, do not provision to fire from the shoulder, have lower effective ranges than assault rifles and, in one case, don't have a detachable cartridge, they're just like assault rifles.

By that standard, every firearm from the musket onwards is an assault rifle.

Oy veh...

full auto SBRs do exist. And like assault rifles, they're good for engagements under 300m, fire intermediate cartidges and are select fire. I can see your point in saying that an SBR isn't an assault rifle, but in all honesty, cutting down an assault rifle/strapping a short barrel on an assault rifle reciever is very possible.

let's get into the harder waters of disentagling firearms nomenclature, though. Is a full auto pistol calibre carbine still a pistol calibre carbine, or an SMG?

YES, YES, it is very important to get bogged down in semantics! Please also quote Monty Python at me baby, u love it?

Everything else aside...whats with the bit about monty python?
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 09:23:12 am
You might want to work on that whole "persistent identity" concept for a while first.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 09:33:13 am
You might want to work on that whole "persistent identity" concept for a while first.

I think I'm getting the hang of it; I just have to maintain the same personality in a coherant manner not only within a given thread or board, but anytime I post under this account. Its got a steep learning curve, but total immersion in such an alien concept is a good study aid, and I think I may be able to use the concept fluently by the end of the month.

Regardless, what was the implication you were making about monty python? It warrented effort to type, so it must have some sort of relevance....
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 03, 2013, 12:38:30 pm
Have you got, like, assburgers or some shit?

Honest question, I like you, you seem quite self aware and able to take shit on board. Then, suddenly and for no apparent reason, you go full-retard. What gives?
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 01:41:13 pm
Have you got, like, assburgers or some shit?

Honest question, I like you, you seem quite self aware and able to take shit on board. Then, suddenly and for no apparent reason, you go full-retard. What gives?

No...not assburgers.

Possibly bipolar. For example, right now, I'm in a sort of mood that's complacent and willing to discuss things with civility with you. Other times, I may be in the sort of mood that makes it such that simply contradicting someone's viewpoint (regardless of whether I agree with it or not) seems like the most hilarious joke on the planet which simply must be perpetrated.

Combine extremes of mood throughout the day with diametrically opposed facets within my worldview, and you end up with a guy who will engage in self-reflection and be truely decent and empathetic in one thread/timeframe/state of mind, and then turn into a militant neo-nazi seeking to simply make people's lives a living hell for fun when the mood changes.

On a good note, though, it's very cathartic. I end up pissing people off with the worst of myself, and then I end up being confronted with "dude, you're a fuckin' dickhead" and it really makes me have to think long and hard about what the fuck is going on with my brain, with my world views, and with other little things too...

Regardless, it's no excuse for me to waltz into your community and shit on it for lulz or catharsis or whatever. It almost like I've derailed every thread I've walked into, and I've pissed alot of people off...and not likely to their benefit either, so it all ends up with 100% profit for myself and everyone else being completely annoyed by my rantings. Right now, I'm willing to say sorry about it, but in 12 hours -- or even just a thread or two over -- I'm probably going to be spouting annoyances again.

Still, I'm working on things -- afterall, what I said to nigel wasn't 100% sarcasm. The whole deal about "persistent identity" is somewhat true. I'm used to communicating anonymously -- devoid of personal responsibility or even the need to support the same stream of logic so long as I can abandon it and switch to something that will recieve more positive social strokes. Having to communicate as an individual human being and not simply a sinlge-meme entity is literally an alien concept as to how I'm used to the internet. Again, excuses suck, but hey -- you asked for insight into my though processes, so here you go.

lel...the whole situation makes me think I chose my user name all those years ago for a good reason, though...
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 03, 2013, 02:36:49 pm
Doesn't sound like bipolar but wft do I know, I only got diagnosed with it, never thought the term made any kind of sense, tbh.

It's fine to be a prick from time to time, take it from me, I'm a prick a lot but getting stuck in prick mode is something I think you should and (probably) could pull off no bother, with a bit of effort.

Unless you've convinced yourself it's impossible, that is.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 02:50:37 pm
You might want to work on that whole "persistent identity" concept for a while first.

I think I'm getting the hang of it; I just have to maintain the same personality in a coherant manner not only within a given thread or board, but anytime I post under this account.

Walking away, now.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 03, 2013, 03:15:52 pm
Can this thread be about how irritating it is when internet people self-diagnose themselves with mental illnesses and refuse to get professional evaluations and/or treatment?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 03:47:21 pm
Can this thread be about how irritating it is when internet people self-diagnose themselves with mental illnesses and refuse to get professional evaluations and/or treatment?

Yes.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 03:48:53 pm
Have you got, like, assburgers or some shit?

Honest question, I like you, you seem quite self aware and able to take shit on board. Then, suddenly and for no apparent reason, you go full-retard. What gives?

No...not assburgers.

Possibly bipolar. For example, right now, I'm in a sort of mood that's complacent and willing to discuss things with civility with you. Other times, I may be in the sort of mood that makes it such that simply contradicting someone's viewpoint (regardless of whether I agree with it or not) seems like the most hilarious joke on the planet which simply must be perpetrated.

Combine extremes of mood throughout the day with diametrically opposed facets within my worldview, and you end up with a guy who will engage in self-reflection and be truely decent and empathetic in one thread/timeframe/state of mind, and then turn into a militant neo-nazi seeking to simply make people's lives a living hell for fun when the mood changes.

On a good note, though, it's very cathartic. I end up pissing people off with the worst of myself, and then I end up being confronted with "dude, you're a fuckin' dickhead" and it really makes me have to think long and hard about what the fuck is going on with my brain, with my world views, and with other little things too...

Regardless, it's no excuse for me to waltz into your community and shit on it for lulz or catharsis or whatever. It almost like I've derailed every thread I've walked into, and I've pissed alot of people off...and not likely to their benefit either, so it all ends up with 100% profit for myself and everyone else being completely annoyed by my rantings. Right now, I'm willing to say sorry about it, but in 12 hours -- or even just a thread or two over -- I'm probably going to be spouting annoyances again.

Still, I'm working on things -- afterall, what I said to nigel wasn't 100% sarcasm. The whole deal about "persistent identity" is somewhat true. I'm used to communicating anonymously -- devoid of personal responsibility or even the need to support the same stream of logic so long as I can abandon it and switch to something that will recieve more positive social strokes. Having to communicate as an individual human being and not simply a sinlge-meme entity is literally an alien concept as to how I'm used to the internet. Again, excuses suck, but hey -- you asked for insight into my though processes, so here you go.

lel...the whole situation makes me think I chose my user name all those years ago for a good reason, though...

Oh. So a juvenile attention-whore.

OK, I'll ignore you then. Not worth my time.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 03, 2013, 04:49:17 pm
The weak ego thing I can relate to, but I remember fuckstick saying some choice things about not wanting to bother with a shrink for his "PTSD-racism" problem earlier...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 05:13:03 pm
The weak ego thing I can relate to, but I remember fuckstick saying some choice things about not wanting to bother with a shrink for his "PTSD-racism" problem earlier...

Oh, I forgot about that. So yeah, a write-off.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: von on May 03, 2013, 05:14:10 pm
Have you got, like, assburgers or some shit?

Honest question, I like you, you seem quite self aware and able to take shit on board. Then, suddenly and for no apparent reason, you go full-retard. What gives?

No...not assburgers.

Possibly bipolar. For example, right now, I'm in a sort of mood that's complacent and willing to discuss things with civility with you. Other times, I may be in the sort of mood that makes it such that simply contradicting someone's viewpoint (regardless of whether I agree with it or not) seems like the most hilarious joke on the planet which simply must be perpetrated.

Combine extremes of mood throughout the day with diametrically opposed facets within my worldview, and you end up with a guy who will engage in self-reflection and be truely decent and empathetic in one thread/timeframe/state of mind, and then turn into a militant neo-nazi seeking to simply make people's lives a living hell for fun when the mood changes.

On a good note, though, it's very cathartic. I end up pissing people off with the worst of myself, and then I end up being confronted with "dude, you're a fuckin' dickhead" and it really makes me have to think long and hard about what the fuck is going on with my brain, with my world views, and with other little things too...

Regardless, it's no excuse for me to waltz into your community and shit on it for lulz or catharsis or whatever. It almost like I've derailed every thread I've walked into, and I've pissed alot of people off...and not likely to their benefit either, so it all ends up with 100% profit for myself and everyone else being completely annoyed by my rantings. Right now, I'm willing to say sorry about it, but in 12 hours -- or even just a thread or two over -- I'm probably going to be spouting annoyances again.

Still, I'm working on things -- afterall, what I said to nigel wasn't 100% sarcasm. The whole deal about "persistent identity" is somewhat true. I'm used to communicating anonymously -- devoid of personal responsibility or even the need to support the same stream of logic so long as I can abandon it and switch to something that will recieve more positive social strokes. Having to communicate as an individual human being and not simply a sinlge-meme entity is literally an alien concept as to how I'm used to the internet. Again, excuses suck, but hey -- you asked for insight into my though processes, so here you go.

lel...the whole situation makes me think I chose my user name all those years ago for a good reason, though...

Oh. So a juvenile attention-whore.

OK, I'll ignore you then. Not worth my time.

Well, if that's what we're on, find a fire to die in you mulatto welfare queen...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 05:20:26 pm
Well that didnt take long.

Alty,
Can always spot an asshole.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 05:23:37 pm
Well that didnt take long.

Alty,
Can always spot an asshole.

Yeah, I gotta listen to you and TGRR more often, I'm way too optimistic about the potential in people's character.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 05:25:48 pm
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/31259140.jpg)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 03, 2013, 05:26:25 pm
What the fuck.

Ahahaha.  Meltdowns are great.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 05:28:21 pm
Using the patented Disco-Baby Brand Reality Checkô you can be sure that now matter what kind of person you are, Discordia will find it.

PD.COM: THE COSMIC CHEMICAL PEEL FOR YOUR STUPID, AWFUL PERSONALITY.

Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 03, 2013, 05:31:25 pm

Well, if that's what we're on, find a fire to die in you mulatto welfare queen...

Oh, that's so cute! He reverted back to Internet Tough Guy form because he got called out on his bullshit. I wonder if he ever interacts with anyone irl in enough depth to feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 06:02:46 pm
ATTN HUSTON FUZZY THINKERS: MMMM DELICIOUS, PLEASE SEND ANOTHER.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 03, 2013, 06:06:17 pm
Another one chokes on their own bullshit!
:peedee:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:08:21 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 03, 2013, 06:20:46 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Every post in this thread pushes it back by ten minutes.

So, maybe forever?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 06:30:38 pm
Its a tough one.

On one hand, that's the most natural.progression.
On the other, we are laying out his bullshit in detail.

My money is on this guy being the kind of moron who just powers through and we will do the same because we can't help ourselves.

Then again, maybe this one has RHWN-like stamina. Its tough.

One thing for sure, it was his name. He has a funny name, you can't trust people with funny names. And German. *nods meaningfully *
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:32:56 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Every post in this thread pushes it back by ten minutes.

So, maybe forever?  :lulz:

If we're lucky.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 06:33:55 pm
Is this the right place to talk about my fucking tourettes syndrome?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 06:35:10 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:36:36 pm
Its a tough one.

On one hand, that's the most natural.progression.
On the other, we are laying out his bullshit in detail.

My money is on this guy being the kind of moron who just powers through and we will do the same because we can't help ourselves.

Then again, maybe this one has RHWN-like stamina. Its tough.

One thing for sure, it was his name. He has a funny name, you can't trust people with funny names. And German. *nods meaningfully *

His name is currently something he thinks is going to offend me, which I find endlessly entertaining as it brings up a mental image of his fingers fumbling on the keyboard as he changed his username in a white-hot narrowed-vision rage-tantrum before stomping off and sulking. :lol:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:36:59 pm
Is this the right place to talk about my fucking tourettes syndrome?

 :lulz: Yes.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:38:24 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 03, 2013, 06:40:02 pm
Are we allowed to meddle with the process, or do we have to keep hands off?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:41:20 pm
Are we allowed to meddle with the process, or do we have to keep hands off?

I guess it depends what kind of meddling. Public needling is fair game, but initiating a PM invalidates the bets.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:43:25 pm
WAIT WAIT WAIT

Revising my bet: PM (to Roger) in 8 hours, public repentance in about 32 hours.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Elder Iptuous on May 03, 2013, 06:43:50 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.
:lulz:
that lucky Roger!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 06:53:50 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Nah, he's having a passive aggressive meltdown.

Wants to change his email to: nigger@nig.nog

And then we had someone sign up via Tor with the terribly clever username of "I_think_ur_gay" and a mailinator.com address.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 06:55:05 pm
Well he does collect these things.

At least we'll get to see it in the next batch of PM releases.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 03, 2013, 06:58:36 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Nah, he's having a passive aggressive meltdown.

Wants to change his email to: nigger@nig.nog

And then we had someone sign up via Tor with the terribly clever username of "I_think_ur_gay" and a mailinator.com address.

 :lulz:

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 06:59:56 pm
Almost tempted to sign up as "Pocket-Sized Assault Rifle" at Totse2.

Almost.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 07:03:37 pm
You could try not maintaining a coherent identity on 4chan instead.

Lose yourself man
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2013, 07:05:21 pm
Incidentally, he cannot post again until I re-activate his account with the new email address.

I am undecided as to when that will be.  Suggestions?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 07:06:41 pm
Right now.

Don't stop a flounce.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:32:22 pm
Have you got, like, assburgers or some shit?

Honest question, I like you, you seem quite self aware and able to take shit on board. Then, suddenly and for no apparent reason, you go full-retard. What gives?

No...not assburgers.

Possibly bipolar. For example, right now, I'm in a sort of mood that's complacent and willing to discuss things with civility with you. Other times, I may be in the sort of mood that makes it such that simply contradicting someone's viewpoint (regardless of whether I agree with it or not) seems like the most hilarious joke on the planet which simply must be perpetrated.

Combine extremes of mood throughout the day with diametrically opposed facets within my worldview, and you end up with a guy who will engage in self-reflection and be truely decent and empathetic in one thread/timeframe/state of mind, and then turn into a militant neo-nazi seeking to simply make people's lives a living hell for fun when the mood changes.

On a good note, though, it's very cathartic. I end up pissing people off with the worst of myself, and then I end up being confronted with "dude, you're a fuckin' dickhead" and it really makes me have to think long and hard about what the fuck is going on with my brain, with my world views, and with other little things too...

Regardless, it's no excuse for me to waltz into your community and shit on it for lulz or catharsis or whatever. It almost like I've derailed every thread I've walked into, and I've pissed alot of people off...and not likely to their benefit either, so it all ends up with 100% profit for myself and everyone else being completely annoyed by my rantings. Right now, I'm willing to say sorry about it, but in 12 hours -- or even just a thread or two over -- I'm probably going to be spouting annoyances again.

Still, I'm working on things -- afterall, what I said to nigel wasn't 100% sarcasm. The whole deal about "persistent identity" is somewhat true. I'm used to communicating anonymously -- devoid of personal responsibility or even the need to support the same stream of logic so long as I can abandon it and switch to something that will recieve more positive social strokes. Having to communicate as an individual human being and not simply a sinlge-meme entity is literally an alien concept as to how I'm used to the internet. Again, excuses suck, but hey -- you asked for insight into my though processes, so here you go.

lel...the whole situation makes me think I chose my user name all those years ago for a good reason, though...

Oh. So a juvenile attention-whore.

OK, I'll ignore you then. Not worth my time.

Well, if that's what we're on, find a fire to die in you mulatto welfare queen...

Jesus Christ, you turned out to be a self-parody.

Later, asshole.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:33:26 pm
Incidentally, he cannot post again until I re-activate his account with the new email address.

I am undecided as to when that will be.  Suggestions?

My vote:  Never.  That last post of his was all I needed to see.  He's a fucking caricature of the right wing, and if I want dumb fucking racists, I can go to CI.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:34:16 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Nah, he's having a passive aggressive meltdown.

Wants to change his email to: nigger@nig.nog

And then we had someone sign up via Tor with the terribly clever username of "I_think_ur_gay" and a mailinator.com address.

 :lulz:

Nuke 'em both.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:35:17 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Won't be answering it.  I have no time for racists.

If I DO get one, I'll just roll it in with the next 10.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 07:35:33 pm
Well that's a fair option too.

It's not really like anything of value will be lost or created either way.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:36:26 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

Fuck him.  His proper place in the universe is Totse2 or Stormfront.  He'll be happy there, among his own kind.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:36:48 pm
Well that's a fair option too.

It's not really like anything of value will be lost or created either way.

Yeah, it's hardly surprising, but it is a disappointment.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 03, 2013, 07:37:36 pm
I keep replying too late and out of context today.

I'm surprised the TOTSE troll lasted this long to be fair.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 03, 2013, 07:39:31 pm

Well, if that's what we're on, find a fire to die in you mulatto welfare queen...

Oh, that's so cute! He reverted back to Internet Tough Guy form because he got called out on his bullshit. I wonder if he ever interacts with anyone irl in enough depth to feel uncomfortable.

Peel the veneer of bipedalism and he's just another racist shitneck.

Fuck him. Forever. No more chances.
Title: Re: Re: Freedom in Houston.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:41:14 pm

Well, if that's what we're on, find a fire to die in you mulatto welfare queen...

Oh, that's so cute! He reverted back to Internet Tough Guy form because he got called out on his bullshit. I wonder if he ever interacts with anyone irl in enough depth to feel uncomfortable.

Peel the veneer of bipedalism and he's just another racist shitneck.

Fuck him. Forever. No more chances.

Scratch a right winger, you find a racist.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 03, 2013, 07:42:35 pm
Its a tough one.

On one hand, that's the most natural.progression.
On the other, we are laying out his bullshit in detail.

My money is on this guy being the kind of moron who just powers through and we will do the same because we can't help ourselves.

Then again, maybe this one has RHWN-like stamina. Its tough.

One thing for sure, it was his name. He has a funny name, you can't trust people with funny names. And German. *nods meaningfully *

His name is currently something he thinks is going to offend me, which I find endlessly entertaining as it brings up a mental image of his fingers fumbling on the keyboard as he changed his username in a white-hot narrowed-vision rage-tantrum before stomping off and sulking. :lol:

True.  :lulz:

My problem with THAT is if somebody worth a shit was thinking about regging, saw that and never did.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:44:17 pm
His name is currently something he thinks is going to offend me, which I find endlessly entertaining as it brings up a mental image of his fingers fumbling on the keyboard as he changed his username in a white-hot narrowed-vision rage-tantrum before stomping off and sulking. :lol:

:lulz:

I don't know how it would be offensive.  It would be like having Lester Maddox call you names.  If he LIKED you...the fact that he did might be offensive, because it would say bad things about you.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 03, 2013, 07:51:34 pm
Incidentally, we can keep making fun of the guy who ran out, or we can do other things.

New LOBB is up, for example.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 03, 2013, 07:52:43 pm
His name is currently something he thinks is going to offend me, which I find endlessly entertaining as it brings up a mental image of his fingers fumbling on the keyboard as he changed his username in a white-hot narrowed-vision rage-tantrum before stomping off and sulking. :lol:

:lulz:

I don't know how it would be offensive.  It would be like having Lester Maddox call you names.  If he LIKED you...the fact that he did might be offensive, because it would say bad things about you.

To paraphrase, "The scorn of the Houston po'bucker is a badge of honor."  :lulz:

Incidentally, we can keep making fun of the guy who ran out, or we can do other things.

New LOBB is up, for example.

Thank Bob for the topic summary under the post box! I'm outta here.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 03, 2013, 08:48:16 pm
I'm definitely cool with letting him fume about this in whatever basement he lives until John Galt comes out of hiding.

However, I would like to take the time to say:

(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/rothbart_photos/interweb_memes/ColbertCalledIt.gif)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Ben Shapiro on May 04, 2013, 12:30:44 am
What no Fried Chicken jokes? HOHOHOHO! We got a classy Edgemaster on our hands. I'm convinced this retard is from Florida.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 04, 2013, 01:12:05 am
I think his account should be reactivated, to see what kind of wacky vengeance plots he comes up with! Maybe we could hook him up with all the other people who have vowed vengeance against PD for not caring about their stupid shit.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 04, 2013, 02:50:03 am
I think his account should be reactivated, to see what kind of wacky vengeance plots he comes up with! Maybe we could hook him up with all the other people who have vowed vengeance against PD for not caring about their stupid shit.

North coast of India? She'd gum him to death. :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 04, 2013, 02:52:40 am
Christ, what an asshole.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 04, 2013, 06:26:24 am
Average Utopian Discordian                              PD
      \                                                                        /
(http://bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gooseface.gif?w=256&h=192)


Like, every time.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 04, 2013, 06:33:09 am
Average Utopian Discordian                              PD
      \                                                                        /
(http://bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gooseface.gif?w=256&h=192)


Like, every time.

OMG, can ducks wield TOMAHAWKS?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 04, 2013, 06:31:52 pm
I'm not at all comfortable with the de facto ban, as being a complete shitburger isn't against the rules here. Last I checked, we don't ban people for having unpopular opinions.

Plus, I want to see him keep melting down. :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Golden Applesauce on May 04, 2013, 07:46:02 pm
I'm surprised changing emails works that way; seems like a bug in the forum software.

Also surprised his username was available.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 04, 2013, 07:58:27 pm
I'm surprised changing emails works that way; seems like a bug in the forum software.

Also surprised his username was available.

Yeah, I was like, really? This forum has been around for how long, and no one?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 05, 2013, 01:38:40 am
If there's a vote to let him back, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 05, 2013, 02:20:22 am
I'm surprised changing emails works that way; seems like a bug in the forum software.

Also surprised his username was available.

It is intentionally set up that way.  I don't know why, but a change in email address requires manual reactivation.

The bug seems to be in how it notifies the admins...I've gone in to activate a brand new account, only to see that someone changed their email two or three days ago and has been waiting for their account to be reactivated.  It seems the site's registration system does not flag up email changes in the same way as it does new accounts, despite it all falling under the same general administrative area.

Real pain in the arse, actually.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 05, 2013, 07:31:16 am
Fuck it, I activated his account.  ECH is right.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 05, 2013, 07:38:07 am
Fuck it, I activated his account.  ECH is right.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 05, 2013, 07:41:01 am
Fuck it, I activated his account.  ECH is right.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

Jesus, I hope so.  I'm banking that he hasn't got a shred of self-respect, and will start posting again.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 05, 2013, 07:52:12 am
Fuck it, I activated his account.  ECH is right.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

Jesus, I hope so.  I'm banking that he hasn't got a shred of self-respect, and will start posting again.

My bet on this is that you're right. If I've learned one thing, it's to trust your instinct. :lol:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 05, 2013, 03:38:03 pm
Here's my very public meddling:

Dear fucknuts (I don't remember your username because I'm terrible),

I think you can do better than this. No, not better at offending people, you happen to be in the one place on the planet where friends tear each other new assholes more often than 4chan, and you don't have years of personal ammunition or any amount of emotional investment you can betray them with. You can't be better at being an asshole, but you can be better at not being one. And I think this is a good place for you to practice.

I don't know who you are, but I know some of the things you're talking about. I have so many email addresses with attendant personas that I needed to make another one just to manage them all. I've been around long enough to know that I can never be an oldfag because no one who showed up in 2008 will ever qualify. I've bounced from one community to another and I've spent so much time using fake names irl that if I ever end up in court they'll have to include it as an alias. I went into that world with a weak ego, like you did, and it caused some seriously weird mental shit. I want to unpack it, to sort it out and box it up with a pretty bow and hand it back to the internet so that other people can understand what it's like to play with that kind of identity when your brain's wired a little wrong, so people understand what they're doing before the damage is done, but it's really hard to make the words come. I think you have some of the same stuff going on. I think having a real conversation with you about all those feels would be productive, not just in making one or both of us feel better or have better footing in the world, but for us to be able to help others. I've been wanting to get this into words for a long time, but it's hard to find someone who's been through enough of the same thing to be a useful sounding board. You could be that guy.

Please don't run away just because you took a few steps backwards. You can be better than that, and I can be too.

Or kill me.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 05, 2013, 04:46:32 pm
Good luck with that, Gogira. I respect your efforts.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 05, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Good luck with that, Gogira. I respect your efforts.

Not likely that he'll come back of be persuaded by it, but it is honestly a thing I'd like to figure out with someone eventually. Lose nothing by putting it out there :)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Ben Shapiro on May 05, 2013, 07:19:14 pm
$5 New Mexican he'll spam the forums with just racist words. He'll put two whole apologies first though.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 04:43:38 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 04:46:27 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?

Send him this shit:

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/rogface1.png)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 07, 2013, 04:47:04 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?

Become A GOD.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 04:47:47 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?

Send him this shit:

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/rogface1.png)

OH GOD MY EYES! WHERE'S THE FUCKING BLEACH?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 04:48:26 am
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/unnecessary.jpg)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 04:52:13 am
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/rapanui_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 04:53:34 am
No, wait, I've got it.

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/kingroger.jpg)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 07:06:32 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?

Perhaps reply concerning your grand idea of putting things to words about...all that above? Seemed like something interesting...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 07, 2013, 07:28:04 am
He PM'd me. Wat do now?

OH SHIT

BET LOST!!!  :argh!:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 07, 2013, 07:28:55 am
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/unnecessary.jpg)

I feel like I should be more disturbed that this turns me on a little.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 07:41:33 am
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Your bet is quite lost...the PM was from roger...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 07, 2013, 07:53:16 am
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Your bet is quite lost...the PM was from roger...

Well don't YOU feel quite superior!  :lol:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 08:09:00 am
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Your bet is quite lost...the PM was from roger...

Well don't YOU feel quite superior!  :lol:

Exuberantly so! My innate superiority makes me wish to march like a goose down the main street of my town!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 07, 2013, 08:32:07 am

How does it feel to be a racist neo-con?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 09:34:09 am

How does it feel to be a racist neo-con?

I don't know if its related, but my right ear itches intensely...so, it feels itchy to my right extremities.

Edit: also, neo-con? Really?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 12:41:50 pm
Sorry for not replying to your PM right away, von. As you can see there was a lot of interest in how and whether you'd bounce back. Also, it isn't really a "now what?" kind of conversation, more of a thing where I think throwing both of our experiences out there and see where it takes us, hopefully moving towards something that will be useful not only for our own damaged brainmeats but also those of others.

Before we can do that, however, I think you might want to clear the air a little bit. As someone who's needed therapy on a few occasions for real problems, I'm still pretty put off by your flippant attitude towards mental illness and its treatment, and you went full-on retard at a lot of other folks here.

Sitting in this uncomfortable feeling of acknowledging you did something wrong, having the emotion instead of running away with it, is one of the first steps to stop being a shitforbrains. Mending fences is part of it, too, although no one has an obligation to forgive you. (See also the redemption/forgiveness thread)
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 02:46:44 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Your bet is quite lost...the PM was from roger...

Well don't YOU feel quite superior!  :lol:

I was congratulating him on his stellar performance.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 02:47:35 pm
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/unnecessary.jpg)

I feel like I should be more disturbed that this turns me on a little.

GIRL, LOOK AT THAT BODY!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 07, 2013, 03:52:45 pm
So, unless there have been things going on in PMs that I am not privy to, I have to say I am rather underwhelmed at this return.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 04:00:51 pm
So, unless there have been things going on in PMs that I am not privy to, I have to say I am rather underwhelmed at this return.

Nothing of substance in mine. At least it's not an explosively offensive one?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 07, 2013, 04:09:06 pm
Anybody want to take bets on the countdown to the repentance post?

14 hours, lots of lurking  with a PM around the 10 hour mark.

That's a good one; you're on! My bet is 10 and a half hours, and the PM will be to Roger.

Your bet is quite lost...the PM was from roger...

Well don't YOU feel quite superior!  :lol:

I was congratulating him on his stellar performance.

He did follow the script perfectly.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Junkenstein on May 07, 2013, 04:58:00 pm
I demand to know when the PM was sent. I didn't specify who from or too, so I think I may have won this bet.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 09:37:16 pm
I demand to know when the PM was sent. I didn't specify who from or too, so I think I may have won this bet.

Yesterday @ 01:17:06 server time...

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 10:31:44 pm
Sorry for not replying to your PM right away, von. As you can see there was a lot of interest in how and whether you'd bounce back. Also, it isn't really a "now what?" kind of conversation, more of a thing where I think throwing both of our experiences out there and see where it takes us, hopefully moving towards something that will be useful not only for our own damaged brainmeats but also those of others.

Before we can do that, however, I think you might want to clear the air a little bit. As someone who's needed therapy on a few occasions for real problems, I'm still pretty put off by your flippant attitude towards mental illness and its treatment, and you went full-on retard at a lot of other folks here.

Sitting in this uncomfortable feeling of acknowledging you did something wrong, having the emotion instead of running away with it, is one of the first steps to stop being a shitforbrains. Mending fences is part of it, too, although no one has an obligation to forgive you. (See also the redemption/forgiveness thread)

Awesome...I'll attempt to desconstruct and reply:

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Sorry for not replying to your PM right away, von.
I cannot deride you for slowness, especially since my message consisted of only two words in a vague frame of reference.

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Also, it isn't really a "now what?" kind of conversation...
You proposed and idea; I was simply asking for clarification of what variety of information is needed, aims of the project so that relevant information can be queried, and any and all other minutiae you think would have been relevant.

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Before we can do that, however, I think you might want to clear the air a little bit.
I've already validated so many people's bets concerning my next moves, shall I also validate /b/earman and force the lot of you to pay him $5 NM dollars a piece for rendering an apology?
In reality, I'm not particularly remorseful over my actions -- perhaps a bit embarassed at my ineffective reactions, but not remorseful.

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As someone who's needed therapy on a few occasions for real problems, I'm still pretty put off by your flippant attitude towards mental illness and its treatment...
As someone else who's been treated involuntarily on multiple occasions, I can tell you quite honestly that my flippant attitude towards mental illness is in reality thinly veiled violent antipathy towards psychology and all of its practitioners. Yay for you having your issues resolved by psychology, but I'm not going to validate a methodology that has me still twitching from akathesia due to petty offenses such as cutting my hair unfasionably or smoking marijuana.
Psychology helped you with traumas -- psychology caused some of mine; we will never agree here...
On a side note, never make argument from anecdote -- someone else can always counter with their own.

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...and you went full-on retard at a lot of other folks here.
Heh, yes I did -- I am quite embarassed that I was so ineffective. I'll need to be more subtle next time...

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Sitting in this uncomfortable feeling of acknowledging you did something wrong...
It is uncomfortable acknowledging that I didn't forsee manual registration validation -- I_think_ur_gay from torpark, china would have been a consummate sockpuppet. I need to lurk moar and see how this community has dealt with attacks in the past, what has been waged against it, and what would blindside it -- so, yes, admitting that I engaged in poor tactical planning is very uncomfortable /joke
In all seriousness, I'm not so much remorseful about my actions as I am to their ineffectiveness as being tools of winning an argument...

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Mending fences is part of it...
grand...! If I were seeking a restoration of social capital among this community, I would have waited 3 or so weeks for this whole ordeal to die down, read up on critical theory a bit more in order to socially integrate a bit more, and then registered a sockpuppet with more valid credentials than mr._ur_gay. I would have had tabula rasa overnight and wouldn't have had the terribly difficult experience of playing mr.evilracist asshole like I am now -- it would be far simpler, and I could even have poked fun at mr.vonzwietracht that way...

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...although no one has an obligation to forgive you.
Restitution is payed so that one can be reintegrated into a community. In that any tail-tucking I do as social payment may not explicitly be accepted, there appears to be a diminished motivation for me to even hazard making that payment in the first place. Secondly, in that I really have no motive to continue in this community as anything other than a fringe racist troll, I have not motive to seek forgiveness, and therefore no obligation to pay for it either.



Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 10:45:12 pm
Secondly, in that I really have no motive to continue in this community as anything other than a fringe racist troll, I have not motive to seek forgiveness, and therefore no obligation to pay for it either.

Well, there you have it.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 10:46:02 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 10:48:53 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.

I can be a total dickhead, if you need someone to work with.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 10:54:49 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.

I can be a total dickhead, if you need someone to work with.

The dickishness wasn't what I was after, it's the particular flavor of weak ego and experience with Anonymous. We had another guy here a while ago that almost pushed the right buttons for me, but it wasn't quite enough to solidify the thoughts. Von has enough of the same problems that it could have been a productive discussion, and I know this is just more tough guy shit but I really do not have the patience to wade through it all. I'm sure there's someone with the right type of crazy that doesn't have the extra racist dickhead angle.


Also, to address one of your points, von: I was involuntarily hospitalized at a shithole. Bad experiences != bad concept.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 07, 2013, 10:57:34 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.

I can be a total dickhead, if you need someone to work with.

The dickishness wasn't what I was after, it's the particular flavor of weak ego and experience with Anonymous. We had another guy here a while ago that almost pushed the right buttons for me, but it wasn't quite enough to solidify the thoughts. Von has enough of the same problems that it could have been a productive discussion, and I know this is just more tough guy shit but I really do not have the patience to wade through it all. I'm sure there's someone with the right type of crazy that doesn't have the extra racist dickhead angle.


Also, to address one of your points, von: I was involuntarily hospitalized at a shithole. Bad experiences != bad concept.

Thing is, despite his claims of "trolling", he is either actually a racist, or he's a sociopath.  In either case, you're sort of casting pearls before swine.  You can go to 4Chan and find 30 guys like him in 30 seconds.  He's basically poptard with a little more staying power.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 07, 2013, 11:04:33 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.

I can be a total dickhead, if you need someone to work with.

The dickishness wasn't what I was after, it's the particular flavor of weak ego and experience with Anonymous. We had another guy here a while ago that almost pushed the right buttons for me, but it wasn't quite enough to solidify the thoughts. Von has enough of the same problems that it could have been a productive discussion, and I know this is just more tough guy shit but I really do not have the patience to wade through it all. I'm sure there's someone with the right type of crazy that doesn't have the extra racist dickhead angle.


Also, to address one of your points, von: I was involuntarily hospitalized at a shithole. Bad experiences != bad concept.

Thing is, despite his claims of "trolling", he is either actually a racist, or he's a sociopath.  In either case, you're sort of casting pearls before swine.  You can go to 4Chan and find 30 guys like him in 30 seconds.  He's basically poptard with a little more staying power.

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform. Of course, that takes effort and he's put on his "I don't need to do anything I'm happy the way I am" face, so meh. It's not like I don't have WWP open in the next tab anyway.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 07, 2013, 11:36:56 pm
Hey, if you don't want to do this I can find someone else to do it with.

I do want to do this, though...your idea of taking a deep look at the psychology behind anonymous sociality is intensely interesting to me!
Look, I know I've shit the bed alot recently, but for the sake of being able to work on this project with you, I'll be somewhat decent just for that.

And on that note, damn you for presenting me with something I want -- now I owe you!

Regardless, back to my initial positions, though: what do you need to know from me, and what shall we be aiming to accomplish?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 07, 2013, 11:52:46 pm
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW link=topic=34563.msg1259942#msg1259942

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform....

Usually "reform" has to come from personal initiative, not from external influence.

It comes to mind a vague paralel with addicts and recovery (which I'm in no means an expert, just some stuff i have come to know), in which sometimes one can be more helpful in their recovery by either:

A) Creating negative consequences for their destructive behaviour INSTEAD of being an enabler (call the police, get them in jail)

or

B) Stay away from them (so that their behaviour has social costs to them)

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 12:08:02 am
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW link=topic=34563.msg1259942#msg1259942

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform....

...

A) Creating negative consequences for their destructive behaviour INSTEAD of being an enabler (call the police, get them in jail)

or

B) Stay away from them (so that their behaviour has social costs to them)

Neither of these are particularly useful for galvanising internal change in regards to benefitting the "reformer".
Point "A" can lead to the "reformee" internalising the "reformer" as a source of negative influence and thus an enemy. Point "B" is irrelevant -- if you ostracise a drug addict, he can go hang out with other drug addicts -- he'll even have more impetus to do so should point "A" have been waged against him.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 12:17:52 am
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW link=topic=34563.msg1259942#msg1259942

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform....

...

A) Creating negative consequences for their destructive behaviour INSTEAD of being an enabler (call the police, get them in jail)

or

B) Stay away from them (so that their behaviour has social costs to them)

Neither of these are particularly useful for galvanising internal change in regards to benefitting the "reformer".
Point "A" can lead to the "reformee" internalising the "reformer" as a source of negative influence and thus an enemy. Point "B" is irrelevant -- if you ostracise a drug addict, he can go hang out with other drug addicts -- he'll even have more impetus to do so should point "A" have been waged against him.

It's benefitial for the "reformer" because, as I've understood it, prevents him/her from playing a codependent role.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 12:29:17 am
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW link=topic=34563.msg1259942#msg1259942

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform....

...

A) Creating negative consequences for their destructive behaviour INSTEAD of being an enabler (call the police, get them in jail)

or

B) Stay away from them (so that their behaviour has social costs to them)

Neither of these are particularly useful for galvanising internal change in regards to benefitting the "reformer".
Point "A" can lead to the "reformee" internalising the "reformer" as a source of negative influence and thus an enemy. Point "B" is irrelevant -- if you ostracise a drug addict, he can go hang out with other drug addicts -- he'll even have more impetus to do so should point "A" have been waged against him.

It's benefitial for the "reformer" because, as I've understood it, prevents him/her from playing a codependent role.

I can follow the logic there, but I cannot agree with it.

Consider this:

There's this gay kid living in a world where being gay is considered socially detestable. Said gay kid's parents see their gay offspring's behaviour as being "destructive" towards his own social capital.
Following this, they have their gay progeny attend some sort of torturous pray-the-gay-away reeducation camp, or whatever...

Does the gay kid convert to heterosexuality (which would be the aim of the reformer), or does he hold a resentment towards his parents for causing the traumatic experience of the anti-gay camp, and then go affliliate with a predominately gay social group?

Just a thought...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 12:42:05 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 12:46:32 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 12:51:50 am
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW link=topic=34563.msg1259942#msg1259942

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform....

...

A) Creating negative consequences for their destructive behaviour INSTEAD of being an enabler (call the police, get them in jail)

or

B) Stay away from them (so that their behaviour has social costs to them)

Neither of these are particularly useful for galvanising internal change in regards to benefitting the "reformer".
Point "A" can lead to the "reformee" internalising the "reformer" as a source of negative influence and thus an enemy. Point "B" is irrelevant -- if you ostracise a drug addict, he can go hang out with other drug addicts -- he'll even have more impetus to do so should point "A" have been waged against him.

It's benefitial for the "reformer" because, as I've understood it, prevents him/her from playing a codependent role.

I can follow the logic there, but I cannot agree with it.

Consider this:

There's this gay kid living in a world where being gay is considered socially detestable. Said gay kid's parents see their gay offspring's behaviour as being "destructive" towards his own social capital.
Following this, they have their gay progeny attend some sort of torturous pray-the-gay-away reeducation camp, or whatever...

Does the gay kid convert to heterosexuality (which would be the aim of the reformer), or does he hold a resentment towards his parents for causing the traumatic experience of the anti-gay camp, and then go affliliate with a predominately gay social group?

Just a thought...

I'm pretty sure you are just being sophistrous, but might as well adress it:

*Conveniently, you deleted in the quotes the initial parts of what I said about succesful "reform" coming only from personal initiative. That is important because, the only thing close to legitimate forced "rehabilitation" is the judicial system (in an ideal world anyhow, since it's mostly used for punishment, but whatever).

*Now in your hypothetical, there is a flawed and uninformed view on the parents on what is "destructive". Second, it's an attempt at reforming something that cannot be changed, independently of if the said kid is ideologized into thinking he wants to be hetero. This type of forced reform is just abuse of authority. Also, I'm not sure if you need to be reminded that homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it destructive.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:06:07 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

Who the hell cares?  Having established that you're a racist, it's all humor from here on out.  I have a test for determining who's a person and who isn't:  Can the individual in question recognize the personhood of other people?  Racists can't, by definition.  Ergo, you stopped being an actual person the moment you called Nigel a "mulatto welfare queen".

So, you know, your opinion and/or your questions, as above, are essentially meaningless.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 01:18:42 am
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I'm pretty sure you are just being sophistrous, but might as well adress it:
Possibly so, but dialogue and examination is a good spotlight for examining fallacy....thanks for making an address!

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*Conveniently, you deleted in the quotes the initial parts of what I said about succesful "reform" coming only from personal initiative. That is important because, the only thing close to legitimate forced "rehabilitation" is the judicial system (in an ideal world anyhow, since it's mostly used for punishment, but whatever).
I deleted them because I don't disagree with the idea that personal insight is the best way to cause change -- What I do not agree with is the second position, which is why I addressed it specifically.

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*Now in your hypothetical, there is a flawed and uninformed view on the parents on what is "destructive". Second, it's an attempt at reforming something that cannot be changed, independently of if the said kid is ideologized into thinking he wants to be hetero. This type of forced reform is just abuse of authority. Also, I'm not sure if you need to be reminded that homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it destructive.
We'll have disconnect here, but allow me to address that I'm very far from anti-homosexual; my hypothetical is drawn from the experiences of a close friend, so my hypothetical is not an endorsement of anti-queer behaviour in any case...anyway, on with my rebuttle then:

In the situation of the parents, who see their child's social capital as being important in a gay-hating world, homosexuality could very well be seen as being "destructive". I mean, if we have all of these arguments floating around about how gays have less privlege than straight folk, it could be very well reasoned that the hypothetical parents saw their kid's actions as leading to lowered privlege, which in turn translates to lowered economic status, social status, etc. So from the view of the parents, they are "correct" in that their child's behaviour is destructive in the fields which they consider relevant.

Naturally, the gay kid can rationalise his point of view too -- about how he's being opressed by society, and about his lack of privlege, and in the end, his arguments, I'm sure, would be equally as valid as his parents' -- just placing emphasis on something that isn't social capital relating to the status quo.

Likewise, the drug addict, or even the shitbag racist can make arguments equally as valid as his own "reformer" -- except focusing on a different end goal. This disconnect of end goals, this is discord -- and the fact that by changing the end goal one can argue anything into truth -- this is why I maintain a world view of moral relativism; everyone can spray bullshit, anyone can believe it, but in the end, none of it really holds much truth from the perspective of someone who holds an opposing view point....
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 01:22:41 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

Who the hell cares?  Having established that you're a racist, it's all humor from here on out.  I have a test for determining who's a person and who isn't:  Can the individual in question recognize the personhood of other people?  Racists can't, by definition.  Ergo, you stopped being an actual person the moment you called Nigel a "mulatto welfare queen".

So, you know, your opinion and/or your questions, as above, are essentially meaningless.

Your position is self defeating...

Who isn't a person? Why, it's the people who don't recognise others' personhood. Racists aren't people because of this!

By your own metric, by declaring me inhuman, you yourself have fallen into the same category...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:30:26 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 01:35:54 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8z58rmM9u1qh2360o1_400.jpg)
oh noes, I came up with this cool argument and everything and roger still poops all over it!
I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, ROGER...NEXT TIIIIIIIIMEEE!!!!11!!11111!!!!!one!11oneone!!11!1!1!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:36:46 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
(http://darrylmbutterscotch.com/uploads/2009/10/DrClaw1.jpg)
oh noes, I came up with this cool argument and everything and roger still poops all over it!
I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, ROGER...NEXT TIIIIIIIIMEEE!!!!11!!11111!!!!!one!11oneone!!11!1!1!

Image fail, lol.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 01:39:17 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
(http://darrylmbutterscotch.com/uploads/2009/10/DrClaw1.jpg)
oh noes, I came up with this cool argument and everything and roger still poops all over it!
I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, ROGER...NEXT TIIIIIIIIMEEE!!!!11!!11111!!!!!one!11oneone!!11!1!1!

Image fail, lol.

wow...i pooped a little on that one...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:40:30 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
(http://darrylmbutterscotch.com/uploads/2009/10/DrClaw1.jpg)
oh noes, I came up with this cool argument and everything and roger still poops all over it!
I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, ROGER...NEXT TIIIIIIIIMEEE!!!!11!!11111!!!!!one!11oneone!!11!1!1!

Image fail, lol.

wow...i pooped a little on that one...

You being here is kind of like having evangelists come knocking on the door.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 01:44:06 am

Your position is self defeating...


I'll lose a lot of sleep over that, Sparky.   :lulz:
(http://darrylmbutterscotch.com/uploads/2009/10/DrClaw1.jpg)
oh noes, I came up with this cool argument and everything and roger still poops all over it!
I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, ROGER...NEXT TIIIIIIIIMEEE!!!!11!!11111!!!!!one!11oneone!!11!1!1!

Image fail, lol.

wow...i pooped a little on that one...

You being here is kind of like having evangelists come knocking on the door.   :lulz:

They do that? I always knew the mormons and jehova-folk did it, but evangelists? I always thought they offered free food to homeless people in return for accepting jesus...

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 08, 2013, 01:49:22 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:52:24 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 08, 2013, 01:53:40 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 08, 2013, 01:55:14 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.

If our village idiot is part of an endless chain of forgettable, interchangeable village idiots, stamped from the Great Idiot Replicator in the sky.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:55:40 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

Until the next time he gets butthurt.  Then it'll be about "niggers" and "welfare" again.

You can pretty much set your watch to it.  The guy is sticking to the Holist playbook like glue, except that racism has replaced that stupid fucking water molecules thing.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 01:57:04 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.

If our village idiot is part of an endless chain of forgettable, interchangeable village idiots, stamped from the Great Idiot Replicator in the sky.

We should dig up the checklist.

Because he's sort of doing a Holist/Dead Kennedy misogynist thing.  And, like them, he thinks he's being clever.  We could just loop this shit.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 02:10:01 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

hmm...give or take, 10-18 hours...

by that point, I will have become such a grating wretch that someone will call me out on it, I'll make some whiney self-reflective post in an attempt to evoke pity or discussion of unrelated topics. After this, someone will call me out on it again, I'll realise the tactic didn't work, scream racial slurs, poop all over the bed, shriek like an ape, mabey even just up and scream "NO U" and then do something stupid to get my account locked again.

After these things, I'll go back into logical beepbeep mode, and start the cycle over -- I'm giving a total estimated time scale from beepbeep1 to beepbeep2 being 24-72 hours, depending on board traffic and other uncontrollable aspects.

then, I'll get aids and die of a broken anus.

and to top off the rant

orkillme

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 02:13:05 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

hmm...give or take, 10-18 hours...

by that point, I will have become such a grating wretch that someone will call me out on it, I'll make some whiney self-reflective post in an attempt to evoke pity or discussion of unrelated topics. After this, someone will call me out on it again, I'll realise the tactic didn't work, scream racial slurs, poop all over the bed, shriek like an ape, mabey even just up and scream "NO U" and then do something stupid to get my account locked again.

After these things, I'll go back into logical beepbeep mode, and start the cycle over -- I'm giving a total estimated time scale from beepbeep1 to beepbeep2 being 24-72 hours, depending on board traffic and other uncontrollable aspects.

then, I'll get aids and die of a broken anus.

and to top off the rant

orkillme

For the record, nobody locked your account.  It auto-locked when you changed your email address.  I reactivated you...Strictly on principle.  If we didn't have rules about that shit, I'd have just left you as you were.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 02:17:51 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

hmm...give or take, 10-18 hours...

by that point, I will have become such a grating wretch that someone will call me out on it, I'll make some whiney self-reflective post in an attempt to evoke pity or discussion of unrelated topics. After this, someone will call me out on it again, I'll realise the tactic didn't work, scream racial slurs, poop all over the bed, shriek like an ape, mabey even just up and scream "NO U" and then do something stupid to get my account locked again.

After these things, I'll go back into logical beepbeep mode, and start the cycle over -- I'm giving a total estimated time scale from beepbeep1 to beepbeep2 being 24-72 hours, depending on board traffic and other uncontrollable aspects.

then, I'll get aids and die of a broken anus.

and to top off the rant

orkillme

For the record, nobody locked your account.  It auto-locked when you changed your email address.  I reactivated you...Strictly on principle.  If we didn't have rules about that shit, I'd have just left you as you were.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to imply you guys did it -- it was seriously a self-initiated failsafe. I WANTED to lock myself out -- I was looking for a "delete fucking everything" button, but nixing the account and locking it myself was as close as I could come. If anything, I know you guys wouldn't ban simply due to insult or disagreement -- that's just not a very upstanding thing to do...

speaking of rules -- what are they? I mean, what exactly is a bannable offense? Other than the signup TOS, which I haven't seen since 2009, I haven't come across a "dont do this shit" list anywhere...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 02:23:53 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

hmm...give or take, 10-18 hours...

by that point, I will have become such a grating wretch that someone will call me out on it, I'll make some whiney self-reflective post in an attempt to evoke pity or discussion of unrelated topics. After this, someone will call me out on it again, I'll realise the tactic didn't work, scream racial slurs, poop all over the bed, shriek like an ape, mabey even just up and scream "NO U" and then do something stupid to get my account locked again.

After these things, I'll go back into logical beepbeep mode, and start the cycle over -- I'm giving a total estimated time scale from beepbeep1 to beepbeep2 being 24-72 hours, depending on board traffic and other uncontrollable aspects.

then, I'll get aids and die of a broken anus.

and to top off the rant

orkillme

For the record, nobody locked your account.  It auto-locked when you changed your email address.  I reactivated you...Strictly on principle.  If we didn't have rules about that shit, I'd have just left you as you were.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to imply you guys did it -- it was seriously a self-initiated failsafe. I WANTED to lock myself out -- I was looking for a "delete fucking everything" button, but nixing the account and locking it myself was as close as I could come. If anything, I know you guys wouldn't ban simply due to insult or disagreement -- that's just not a very upstanding thing to do...

speaking of rules -- what are they? I mean, what exactly is a bannable offense? Other than the signup TOS, which I haven't seen since 2009, I haven't come across a "dont do this shit" list anywhere...

Image bombs
Gore or porn that's posted as an image rather than a link (and that link has to be marked NSFW).
Anything outright illegal (kiddie porn, threats of physical harm, etc)
Snitching out a PD troll going on somewhere else.
Hacking the board or deliberately using an exploit to fuck up the board.
Stalking someone IRL or posting their PI, or otherwise taking the internet IRL.
Anything that all the admins can agree on as bannable (almost never happens).
Evading a prior ban (results in permanent banning, no exceptions).
Alt accounts will be banned unless we think it's funny, but the original account usually stays.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 02:30:14 am
I wonder how long the "beep beep boop I am a logical machine" phase of his attention-whoring is going to last?

Enki][ did it better.

hmm...give or take, 10-18 hours...

by that point, I will have become such a grating wretch that someone will call me out on it, I'll make some whiney self-reflective post in an attempt to evoke pity or discussion of unrelated topics. After this, someone will call me out on it again, I'll realise the tactic didn't work, scream racial slurs, poop all over the bed, shriek like an ape, mabey even just up and scream "NO U" and then do something stupid to get my account locked again.

After these things, I'll go back into logical beepbeep mode, and start the cycle over -- I'm giving a total estimated time scale from beepbeep1 to beepbeep2 being 24-72 hours, depending on board traffic and other uncontrollable aspects.

then, I'll get aids and die of a broken anus.

and to top off the rant

orkillme

For the record, nobody locked your account.  It auto-locked when you changed your email address.  I reactivated you...Strictly on principle.  If we didn't have rules about that shit, I'd have just left you as you were.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to imply you guys did it -- it was seriously a self-initiated failsafe. I WANTED to lock myself out -- I was looking for a "delete fucking everything" button, but nixing the account and locking it myself was as close as I could come. If anything, I know you guys wouldn't ban simply due to insult or disagreement -- that's just not a very upstanding thing to do...

speaking of rules -- what are they? I mean, what exactly is a bannable offense? Other than the signup TOS, which I haven't seen since 2009, I haven't come across a "dont do this shit" list anywhere...

Image bombs
Gore or porn that's posted as an image rather than a link (and that link has to be marked NSFW).
Anything outright illegal (kiddie porn, threats of physical harm, etc)
Snitching out a PD troll going on somewhere else.
Hacking the board or deliberately using an exploit to fuck up the board.
Stalking someone IRL or posting their PI, or otherwise taking the internet IRL.
Anything that all the admins can agree on as bannable (almost never happens).
Evading a prior ban (results in permanent banning, no exceptions).
Alt accounts will be banned unless we think it's funny, but the original account usually stays.


Huh...that's useful stuffs to know. Thanks...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 02:40:08 am
For everything else, there's the ignore button.

Doesn't work for or against admins/mods, though, for which I curse our cruel Irish overlord.  Pretty sure you lost a lot of your audience with the mulatto comment, though.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 02:46:13 am
For everything else, there's the ignore button.

Doesn't work for or against admins/mods, though, for which I curse our cruel Irish overlord.  Pretty sure you lost a lot of your audience with the mulatto comment, though.

I'm sure I did...

regardless, I can see why you're not allowed to ignore -- makes for bad policing. I mean, say I pissed the collective mods group off, they all decided to ignore me, and then I decided to shit on the board with a flooder or something...if all posts from my account are ignored, your response to my internets terrorism would be slowed to a degree (i.e. instead of seeing my posts as soon as you get on, you'd have to wait until someone goes "oh noes, von's flooding the board")
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: AFK on May 08, 2013, 02:47:59 am
Even when you put someone ignore you still see that they are posting, you just can't read the actual post (unless you click the little "read post" thingy), so even if they could ignore you, they'd still see that you are posting something.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 02:57:00 am
Even when you put someone ignore you still see that they are posting, you just can't read the actual post (unless you click the little "read post" thingy), so even if they could ignore you, they'd still see that you are posting something.

huh -- well isn't that nifty...

This thread is moving into a direction that's really making me want to grab a copy of simple machines, play with its source code and make a monster out of it -- futallaby was fun, especially given that I audited it after I had reverse engineered it...seeing how the authors did things sooooo differently than me was amazing!

Hmm, this sounds like a good project for the weekend -- write a feature complete western-style forum... god this is gonna take a while -- totally out of my element, but still sounds fun.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 03:27:20 am
Even when you put someone ignore you still see that they are posting, you just can't read the actual post (unless you click the little "read post" thingy), so even if they could ignore you, they'd still see that you are posting something.

huh -- well isn't that nifty...

This thread is moving into a direction that's really making me want to grab a copy of simple machines, play with its source code and make a monster out of it -- futallaby was fun, especially given that I audited it after I had reverse engineered it...seeing how the authors did things sooooo differently than me was amazing!

Hmm, this sounds like a good project for the weekend -- write a feature complete western-style forum... god this is gonna take a while -- totally out of my element, but still sounds fun.

Maybe you can get some of your Klan buddies to join.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 03:35:45 am
Quote
I'm pretty sure you are just being sophistrous, but might as well adress it:
Possibly so, but dialogue and examination is a good spotlight for examining fallacy....thanks for making an address!

Quote
*Conveniently, you deleted in the quotes the initial parts of what I said about succesful "reform" coming only from personal initiative. That is important because, the only thing close to legitimate forced "rehabilitation" is the judicial system (in an ideal world anyhow, since it's mostly used for punishment, but whatever).
I deleted them because I don't disagree with the idea that personal insight is the best way to cause change -- What I do not agree with is the second position, which is why I addressed it specifically.

Quote
*Now in your hypothetical, there is a flawed and uninformed view on the parents on what is "destructive". Second, it's an attempt at reforming something that cannot be changed, independently of if the said kid is ideologized into thinking he wants to be hetero. This type of forced reform is just abuse of authority. Also, I'm not sure if you need to be reminded that homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it destructive.
We'll have disconnect here, but allow me to address that I'm very far from anti-homosexual; my hypothetical is drawn from the experiences of a close friend, so my hypothetical is not an endorsement of anti-queer behaviour in any case...anyway, on with my rebuttle then:

In the situation of the parents, who see their child's social capital as being important in a gay-hating world, homosexuality could very well be seen as being "destructive". I mean, if we have all of these arguments floating around about how gays have less privlege than straight folk, it could be very well reasoned that the hypothetical parents saw their kid's actions as leading to lowered privlege, which in turn translates to lowered economic status, social status, etc. So from the view of the parents, they are "correct" in that their child's behaviour is destructive in the fields which they consider relevant.

Naturally, the gay kid can rationalise his point of view too -- about how he's being opressed by society, and about his lack of privlege, and in the end, his arguments, I'm sure, would be equally as valid as his parents' -- just placing emphasis on something that isn't social capital relating to the status quo.

Likewise, the drug addict, or even the shitbag racist can make arguments equally as valid as his own "reformer" -- except focusing on a different end goal. This disconnect of end goals, this is discord -- and the fact that by changing the end goal one can argue anything into truth -- this is why I maintain a world view of moral relativism; everyone can spray bullshit, anyone can believe it, but in the end, none of it really holds much truth from the perspective of someone who holds an opposing view point....

Well, its something more than just "personal insight is the key to change"... maybe at first is a "personal motivation for change", because insight itself might or might not motivate change, although its an important part of it. There are a number of people that know what they are, but don't feel like they need to change.

My reference to the rehabilitation process and the avoidance of codependence was an advise to Gogira to not invest so much of herself while talking with you, because to you all of this is just a game of rhetoric, achieving reactions and all that goodness.

Now, regarding how anything can be argued into "truth"... I've lived thru that perspective, so I kind of know what you mean, but I dont agree with it:

*Actions =/= discourse

Following your friend's example (taking into account that it shifted to supposedly being a counter-example allegedly to the process of rehabilitation, into an example of how "end goals" give the cues for the word-twisting and rationalization)

The discourse of the parent's is that being homosexual damages their social standing and opportunities, therefore the implicit statement is that being thrown into "Anti-gay camp" is for their child's "own good".

Now, contrast this discourse with reality:

1. Homosexuality has been proven to be something that cannot be changed. Also, it has been established that it happens without clear reason at very early development stages, before the age of 6 or even earlier than that.

2. Instead of forcing someone to change what they are, they could very well try to support that person to overcome the social stigma and hardships that will indeed happen.

Their discourse is "for his own good", but the reality is that, their interest doesn't lie in his "own good", it lies in "not having a homosexual son", because forcing someone to not be what they are and cannot be changed is by a great margin more damaging to them than the social stigma that they will face eventually anyhow because they might break out of the closet one day, which would only add more internal conflict for said person... the alternative being that they are secretly gay their entire lives, living miserably... or the alternative being them coming out of the closet after marriage and having kids, thus bringing misery to not only one person, but to an entire family.

People will always rationalize or have their way with words for their own convenience, that does not mean that what they say has an ounce of veracity, that is why it has to be cross-referenced with their actions and consequences.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 03:36:52 am
Johnny, you are attempting to reason with a bigot.

Just saying.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 03:49:37 am
Quote
I'm pretty sure you are just being sophistrous, but might as well adress it:
Possibly so, but dialogue and examination is a good spotlight for examining fallacy....thanks for making an address!

Quote
*Conveniently, you deleted in the quotes the initial parts of what I said about succesful "reform" coming only from personal initiative. That is important because, the only thing close to legitimate forced "rehabilitation" is the judicial system (in an ideal world anyhow, since it's mostly used for punishment, but whatever).
I deleted them because I don't disagree with the idea that personal insight is the best way to cause change -- What I do not agree with is the second position, which is why I addressed it specifically.

Quote
*Now in your hypothetical, there is a flawed and uninformed view on the parents on what is "destructive". Second, it's an attempt at reforming something that cannot be changed, independently of if the said kid is ideologized into thinking he wants to be hetero. This type of forced reform is just abuse of authority. Also, I'm not sure if you need to be reminded that homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it destructive.
We'll have disconnect here, but allow me to address that I'm very far from anti-homosexual; my hypothetical is drawn from the experiences of a close friend, so my hypothetical is not an endorsement of anti-queer behaviour in any case...anyway, on with my rebuttle then:

In the situation of the parents, who see their child's social capital as being important in a gay-hating world, homosexuality could very well be seen as being "destructive". I mean, if we have all of these arguments floating around about how gays have less privlege than straight folk, it could be very well reasoned that the hypothetical parents saw their kid's actions as leading to lowered privlege, which in turn translates to lowered economic status, social status, etc. So from the view of the parents, they are "correct" in that their child's behaviour is destructive in the fields which they consider relevant.

Naturally, the gay kid can rationalise his point of view too -- about how he's being opressed by society, and about his lack of privlege, and in the end, his arguments, I'm sure, would be equally as valid as his parents' -- just placing emphasis on something that isn't social capital relating to the status quo.

Likewise, the drug addict, or even the shitbag racist can make arguments equally as valid as his own "reformer" -- except focusing on a different end goal. This disconnect of end goals, this is discord -- and the fact that by changing the end goal one can argue anything into truth -- this is why I maintain a world view of moral relativism; everyone can spray bullshit, anyone can believe it, but in the end, none of it really holds much truth from the perspective of someone who holds an opposing view point....

Well, its something more than just "personal insight is the key to change"... maybe at first is a "personal motivation for change", because insight itself might or might not motivate change, although its an important part of it. There are a number of people that know what they are, but don't feel like they need to change.

My reference to the rehabilitation process and the avoidance of codependence was an advise to Gogira to not invest so much of herself while talking with you, because to you all of this is just a game of rhetoric, achieving reactions and all that goodness.

Now, regarding how anything can be argued into "truth"... I've lived thru that perspective, so I kind of know what you mean, but I dont agree with it:

*Actions =/= discourse

Following your friend's example (taking into account that it shifted to supposedly being a counter-example allegedly to the process of rehabilitation, into an example of how "end goals" give the cues for the word-twisting and rationalization)

The discourse of the parent's is that being homosexual damages their social standing and opportunities, therefore the implicit statement is that being thrown into "Anti-gay camp" is for their child's "own good".

Now, contrast this discourse with reality:

1. Homosexuality has been proven to be something that cannot be changed. Also, it has been established that it happens without clear reason at very early development stages, before the age of 6 or even earlier than that.

2. Instead of forcing someone to change what they are, they could very well try to support that person to overcome the social stigma and hardships that will indeed happen.

Their discourse is "for his own good", but the reality is that, their interest doesn't lie in his "own good", it lies in "not having a homosexual son", because forcing someone to not be what they are and cannot be changed is by a great margin more damaging to them than the social stigma that they will face eventually anyhow because they might break out of the closet one day, which would only add more internal conflict for said person... the alternative being that they are secretly gay their entire lives, living miserably... or the alternative being them coming out of the closet after marriage and having kids, thus bringing misery to not only one person, but to an entire family.

People will always rationalize or have their way with words for their own convenience, that does not mean that what they say has an ounce of veracity, that is why it has to be cross-referenced with their actions and consequences.

This will end up degrading into a debate concerning homosexuality if we continue.

I can only agree to disagree with your perspective at this time...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 03:54:19 am
Johnny, you are attempting to reason with a bigot.

Just saying.  Carry on.

Better me than Gogira; also, jousting with trolls once in a while keeps the mind sharp.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 04:00:54 am
Quote
I'm pretty sure you are just being sophistrous, but might as well adress it:
Possibly so, but dialogue and examination is a good spotlight for examining fallacy....thanks for making an address!

Quote
*Conveniently, you deleted in the quotes the initial parts of what I said about succesful "reform" coming only from personal initiative. That is important because, the only thing close to legitimate forced "rehabilitation" is the judicial system (in an ideal world anyhow, since it's mostly used for punishment, but whatever).
I deleted them because I don't disagree with the idea that personal insight is the best way to cause change -- What I do not agree with is the second position, which is why I addressed it specifically.

Quote
*Now in your hypothetical, there is a flawed and uninformed view on the parents on what is "destructive". Second, it's an attempt at reforming something that cannot be changed, independently of if the said kid is ideologized into thinking he wants to be hetero. This type of forced reform is just abuse of authority. Also, I'm not sure if you need to be reminded that homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it destructive.
We'll have disconnect here, but allow me to address that I'm very far from anti-homosexual; my hypothetical is drawn from the experiences of a close friend, so my hypothetical is not an endorsement of anti-queer behaviour in any case...anyway, on with my rebuttle then:

In the situation of the parents, who see their child's social capital as being important in a gay-hating world, homosexuality could very well be seen as being "destructive". I mean, if we have all of these arguments floating around about how gays have less privlege than straight folk, it could be very well reasoned that the hypothetical parents saw their kid's actions as leading to lowered privlege, which in turn translates to lowered economic status, social status, etc. So from the view of the parents, they are "correct" in that their child's behaviour is destructive in the fields which they consider relevant.

Naturally, the gay kid can rationalise his point of view too -- about how he's being opressed by society, and about his lack of privlege, and in the end, his arguments, I'm sure, would be equally as valid as his parents' -- just placing emphasis on something that isn't social capital relating to the status quo.

Likewise, the drug addict, or even the shitbag racist can make arguments equally as valid as his own "reformer" -- except focusing on a different end goal. This disconnect of end goals, this is discord -- and the fact that by changing the end goal one can argue anything into truth -- this is why I maintain a world view of moral relativism; everyone can spray bullshit, anyone can believe it, but in the end, none of it really holds much truth from the perspective of someone who holds an opposing view point....

Well, its something more than just "personal insight is the key to change"... maybe at first is a "personal motivation for change", because insight itself might or might not motivate change, although its an important part of it. There are a number of people that know what they are, but don't feel like they need to change.

My reference to the rehabilitation process and the avoidance of codependence was an advise to Gogira to not invest so much of herself while talking with you, because to you all of this is just a game of rhetoric, achieving reactions and all that goodness.

Now, regarding how anything can be argued into "truth"... I've lived thru that perspective, so I kind of know what you mean, but I dont agree with it:

*Actions =/= discourse

Following your friend's example (taking into account that it shifted to supposedly being a counter-example allegedly to the process of rehabilitation, into an example of how "end goals" give the cues for the word-twisting and rationalization)

The discourse of the parent's is that being homosexual damages their social standing and opportunities, therefore the implicit statement is that being thrown into "Anti-gay camp" is for their child's "own good".

Now, contrast this discourse with reality:

1. Homosexuality has been proven to be something that cannot be changed. Also, it has been established that it happens without clear reason at very early development stages, before the age of 6 or even earlier than that.

2. Instead of forcing someone to change what they are, they could very well try to support that person to overcome the social stigma and hardships that will indeed happen.

Their discourse is "for his own good", but the reality is that, their interest doesn't lie in his "own good", it lies in "not having a homosexual son", because forcing someone to not be what they are and cannot be changed is by a great margin more damaging to them than the social stigma that they will face eventually anyhow because they might break out of the closet one day, which would only add more internal conflict for said person... the alternative being that they are secretly gay their entire lives, living miserably... or the alternative being them coming out of the closet after marriage and having kids, thus bringing misery to not only one person, but to an entire family.

People will always rationalize or have their way with words for their own convenience, that does not mean that what they say has an ounce of veracity, that is why it has to be cross-referenced with their actions and consequences.

This will end up degrading into a debate concerning homosexuality if we continue.

I can only agree to disagree with your perspective at this time...

Just keep in mind that anything we say, everything we do, means more than what is apparent.

Saying a racial slur even if it's just "for the purpose of offending someone" and "not really meaning it", in fact, actually means that you are effectively participating in reinforcing racial discrimination, even if you think it does not. Maybe you don't consider yourself a "racist", but what is the difference between reinforcing racial discrimination and actually being a racist? Merely a difference in degrees.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 04:03:06 am

Just keep in mind that anything we say, everything we do, means more than what is apparent.

Saying a racial slur even if it's just "for the purpose of offending someone" and "not really meaning it", in fact, actually means that you are effectively participating in reinforcing racial discrimination, even if you think it does not. Maybe you don't consider yourself a "racist", but what is the difference between reinforcing racial discrimination and actually being a racist? Merely a difference in degrees.

Morally speaking:  No difference.
Pragmatically speaking:  No difference.

An evil person is one who does evil things.  Likewise, a racist person is one who does racist things.

QED.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2013, 04:05:00 am
No Johnny, it's all about what you really feel deep down inside and stuff!  The idea of a rich inner life which determines the meaning of our actions is totally not a means to rationalize ones actions, and those who claim otherwise are just psychobabble addled Freudians.

I can see why you like the italics for sarcasm now.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 04:10:30 am

Just keep in mind that anything we say, everything we do, means more than what is apparent.

Saying a racial slur even if it's just "for the purpose of offending someone" and "not really meaning it", in fact, actually means that you are effectively participating in reinforcing racial discrimination, even if you think it does not. Maybe you don't consider yourself a "racist", but what is the difference between reinforcing racial discrimination and actually being a racist? Merely a difference in degrees.

Morally speaking:  No difference.
Pragmatically speaking:  No difference.

An evil person is one who does evil things.  Likewise, a racist person is one who does racist things.

QED.

I will make a connection with something that might resonate with something you commented a couple weeks ago:

Margaret Thatcher: she had certain "greatness" (evil greatness), in which she stuck by her guns, and did what she professed.

We do not have that anymore, we only have crypto-fascists, crypto-racists, crypto-homophobes and all one can think of under the sun. So what do we get? A bunch of assholes that keep on acting like assholes, but won't admit to being assholes.

Obama: I AM MORALLY AND CATEGORICALLY OPPOSED TO TORTURE AND LACK OF A PROPER TRIAL (keeps Guantanamo functioning)

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 04:13:31 am

Just keep in mind that anything we say, everything we do, means more than what is apparent.

Saying a racial slur even if it's just "for the purpose of offending someone" and "not really meaning it", in fact, actually means that you are effectively participating in reinforcing racial discrimination, even if you think it does not. Maybe you don't consider yourself a "racist", but what is the difference between reinforcing racial discrimination and actually being a racist? Merely a difference in degrees.

Morally speaking:  No difference.
Pragmatically speaking:  No difference.

An evil person is one who does evil things.  Likewise, a racist person is one who does racist things.

QED.

I will make a connection with something that might resonate with something you commented a couple weeks ago:

Margaret Thatcher: she had certain "greatness" (evil greatness), in which she stuck by her guns, and did what she professed.

We do not have that anymore, we only have crypto-fascists, crypto-racists, crypto-homophobes and all one can think of under the sun. So what do we get? A bunch of assholes that keep on acting like assholes, but won't admit to being assholes.

Obama: I AM MORALLY AND CATEGORICALLY OPPOSED TO TORTURE AND LACK OF A PROPER TRIAL (keeps Guantanamo functioning)

Even in her day, Thatcher was an oddity.  She was a monster.  She knew why everyone hated her, and she didn't care.  When I say "greatness", I don't mean it in a positive way.  I mean it more like "the great Chicago fire".

Only rarely do people admit to being assholes.  This doesn't make them more palatable, it only makes them proud assholes.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 04:24:59 am
No Johnny, it's all about what you really feel deep down inside and stuff!  The idea of a rich inner life which determines the meaning of our actions is totally not a means to rationalize ones actions, and those who claim otherwise are just psychobabble addled Freudians.

I can see why you like the italics for sarcasm now.

I remember that one time when I argued entire paragraphs in italics simulating the opposition's position to its logical conclusion. Needless to say, i did not inform everyone appropiately and it caused several dozen pages of outrage and dog-piling  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

I've considered making an alt for those purposes and making it clear what the intentions are and making the account accesible to everyone, but that's just playing with fire.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 04:33:53 am

Just keep in mind that anything we say, everything we do, means more than what is apparent.

Saying a racial slur even if it's just "for the purpose of offending someone" and "not really meaning it", in fact, actually means that you are effectively participating in reinforcing racial discrimination, even if you think it does not. Maybe you don't consider yourself a "racist", but what is the difference between reinforcing racial discrimination and actually being a racist? Merely a difference in degrees.

Morally speaking:  No difference.
Pragmatically speaking:  No difference.

An evil person is one who does evil things.  Likewise, a racist person is one who does racist things.

QED.

I will make a connection with something that might resonate with something you commented a couple weeks ago:

Margaret Thatcher: she had certain "greatness" (evil greatness), in which she stuck by her guns, and did what she professed.

We do not have that anymore, we only have crypto-fascists, crypto-racists, crypto-homophobes and all one can think of under the sun. So what do we get? A bunch of assholes that keep on acting like assholes, but won't admit to being assholes.

Obama: I AM MORALLY AND CATEGORICALLY OPPOSED TO TORTURE AND LACK OF A PROPER TRIAL (keeps Guantanamo functioning)

Even in her day, Thatcher was an oddity.  She was a monster.  She knew why everyone hated her, and she didn't care.  When I say "greatness", I don't mean it in a positive way.  I mean it more like "the great Chicago fire".

Only rarely do people admit to being assholes.  This doesn't make them more palatable, it only makes them proud assholes.

Yeah, i got you in that it wasn't refered as a positive trait, because it was simply great evil.

What i like about people being so cynical about one's viewpoints is that it opens up the possibility of accountability, instead of pussy-footing around an argument and back-pedalling. In rhetorical-combat terms, it gives a chance to "storm the castle" instead of having petty guerillas all over the place.

Blatantly expressing "I am a racist because X" leaves the said person very open to a diversity of arguments, in opposition to what happened in the Trayvon-Martin case, in which nobody supporting the murderer was a "racist" but seeking to "unveil the inconsistencies in the trial" or whatever bullshit they said to justify facilitating the murderer not getting convicted.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 04:39:49 am

Which brings back the attention on Mr. Von:

This will end up degrading into a debate concerning homosexuality if we continue.

The conversation can only "degrade" into "a debate concerning homosexuality", because I suspect, that even do:

...I'm very far from anti-homosexual..

he probably would show in the ensuing debate, how he in actuality is a homo-phobe.

Obviously this is speculation based on interpretation, but oh, prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 04:46:07 am

Blatantly expressing "I am a racist because X" leaves the said person very open to a diversity of arguments, in opposition to what happened in the Trayvon-Martin case, in which nobody supporting the murderer was a "racist" but seeking to "unveil the inconsistencies in the trial" or whatever bullshit they said to justify facilitating the murderer not getting convicted.

Well, no argument there (and then there was the asshole cop using Martin's picture for target shooting, which is apparently completely appropriate), except that the trial doesn't even begin until June 10th.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 04:46:48 am

Which brings back the attention on Mr. Von:

This will end up degrading into a debate concerning homosexuality if we continue.

The conversation can only "degrade" into "a debate concerning homosexuality", because I suspect, that even do:

...I'm very far from anti-homosexual..

he probably would show in the ensuing debate, how he in actuality is a homo-phobe.

Obviously this is speculation based on interpretation, but oh, prove me wrong.

Don't get your hopes up.  The animal in question brags that he has no principles.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 05:26:40 am

Which brings back the attention on Mr. Von:

This will end up degrading into a debate concerning homosexuality if we continue.

The conversation can only "degrade" into "a debate concerning homosexuality", because I suspect, that even do:

...I'm very far from anti-homosexual..

he probably would show in the ensuing debate, how he in actuality is a homo-phobe.

Obviously this is speculation based on interpretation, but oh, prove me wrong.

Ok, if you wish to take your argument in that direction, ill go there for your own amusement.

Anyway, the crux of your argument relies on the premise that homosexuality is both an innate property of an individual, and is unmodifyable.
In short, your point is leaning on something you haven't cited the validity of -- and when you do, I can then find a way to debase that study, and produce a counter argument based on a study that invalidates your own argument.
Likewise, you can counter my counter argument, and we can go back in forth spouting lies, damned lies and statistics until one of us simply concedes for the sake of social capital.

Now then, the conversation "degraded" In that my hypothetical scenario had nothing to do with homos per se: the illustrative was used to show that when you apply the idea of "jail the enemy to reform him" to a group you happen to like, it seems illogical, abhorrant and simply "evil", because its something you just happen to stand behind.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 06:14:36 am
Ok, if you wish to take your argument in that direction, ill go there for your own amusement.

Anyway, the crux of your argument relies on the premise that homosexuality is both an innate property of an individual, and is unmodifyable.
In short, your point is leaning on something you haven't cited the validity of -- and when you do, I can then find a way to debase that study, and produce a counter argument based on a study that invalidates your own argument.
Likewise, you can counter my counter argument, and we can go back in forth spouting lies, damned lies and statistics until one of us simply concedes for the sake of social capital.

Now then, the conversation "degraded" In that my hypothetical scenario had nothing to do with homos per se: the illustrative was used to show that when you apply the idea of "jail the enemy to reform him" to a group you happen to like, it seems illogical, abhorrant and simply "evil", because its something you just happen to stand behind.

I concede that getting into a debate about homosexuality might be somewhat of an effort, and I don't really want to create a "Drugs Thread 2.0". Also, debating something you might not even have a true position on is kind of cheap and convenient, because it's much more easier to criticize and find weak spots than to make a positive solid argument.

Now, true addiction rather than recreational use leads to death (addiction being defined as, using a substance or thing to the point that it is provoking negative effects on one's own life, work, relationships), I'm talking about alcoholics that go on black-outs and do impulsive things like getting into brawls with strangers, ride a car or motorcycle at very dangerous speeds, or say, heroin addicts that their arms get gangrene from injecting so much.

The parallel between getting true addicts into jail and a homosexual being forced to "anti-gay camp" does not hold, because, the only dangerous parts of being homosexual is other human beings who hate them.

Also, you are missing the main point of why this all was mentioned in the first place, as an advice of caution to Gogira, which I might have stated too much as a parable:

In this parable, you are the addict which does not want to change, and she plays the part of the codependent putting herself in harm's way because "he can change, there's a decent human being under that monkey skin", while you might play along just to keep getting attention.

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 06:28:41 am
Ok, if you wish to take your argument in that direction, ill go there for your own amusement.

Anyway, the crux of your argument relies on the premise that homosexuality is both an innate property of an individual, and is unmodifyable.
In short, your point is leaning on something you haven't cited the validity of -- and when you do, I can then find a way to debase that study, and produce a counter argument based on a study that invalidates your own argument.
Likewise, you can counter my counter argument, and we can go back in forth spouting lies, damned lies and statistics until one of us simply concedes for the sake of social capital.

Now then, the conversation "degraded" In that my hypothetical scenario had nothing to do with homos per se: the illustrative was used to show that when you apply the idea of "jail the enemy to reform him" to a group you happen to like, it seems illogical, abhorrant and simply "evil", because its something you just happen to stand behind.

I concede that getting into a debate about homosexuality might be somewhat of an effort, and I don't really want to create a "Drugs Thread 2.0". Also, debating something you might not even have a true position on is kind of cheap and convenient, because it's much more easier to criticize and find weak spots than to make a positive solid argument.

Now, true addiction rather than recreational use leads to death (addiction being defined as, using a substance or thing to the point that it is provoking negative effects on one's own life, work, relationships), I'm talking about alcoholics that go on black-outs and do impulsive things like getting into brawls with strangers, ride a car or motorcycle at very dangerous speeds, or say, heroin addicts that their arms get gangrene from injecting so much.

The parallel between getting true addicts into jail and a homosexual being forced to "anti-gay camp" does not hold, because, the only dangerous parts of being homosexual is other human beings who hate them.

Also, you are missing the main point of why this all was mentioned in the first place, as an advice of caution to Gogira, which I might have stated too much as a parable:

In this parable, you are the addict which does not want to change, and she plays the part of the codependent putting herself in harm's way because "he can change, there's a decent human being under that monkey skin", while you might play along just to keep getting attention.
Far more well formed and taken in a direction i did not anticipate; i commend you and see the point you were trying to make far better now considering your parable.

As for gogira wishing to "pull the human out" or whatever, yes, you saved her and my own time well enough -- i wished to cooperate with her only in gathering research concerning anonymous communications...if that whole thing was a ruse to lure the "human" out, it would have indeed ended in me shitting all over things. Neither a service to her or me...

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Johnny on May 08, 2013, 06:44:29 am
Ok, if you wish to take your argument in that direction, ill go there for your own amusement.

Anyway, the crux of your argument relies on the premise that homosexuality is both an innate property of an individual, and is unmodifyable.
In short, your point is leaning on something you haven't cited the validity of -- and when you do, I can then find a way to debase that study, and produce a counter argument based on a study that invalidates your own argument.
Likewise, you can counter my counter argument, and we can go back in forth spouting lies, damned lies and statistics until one of us simply concedes for the sake of social capital.

Now then, the conversation "degraded" In that my hypothetical scenario had nothing to do with homos per se: the illustrative was used to show that when you apply the idea of "jail the enemy to reform him" to a group you happen to like, it seems illogical, abhorrant and simply "evil", because its something you just happen to stand behind.

I concede that getting into a debate about homosexuality might be somewhat of an effort, and I don't really want to create a "Drugs Thread 2.0". Also, debating something you might not even have a true position on is kind of cheap and convenient, because it's much more easier to criticize and find weak spots than to make a positive solid argument.

Now, true addiction rather than recreational use leads to death (addiction being defined as, using a substance or thing to the point that it is provoking negative effects on one's own life, work, relationships), I'm talking about alcoholics that go on black-outs and do impulsive things like getting into brawls with strangers, ride a car or motorcycle at very dangerous speeds, or say, heroin addicts that their arms get gangrene from injecting so much.

The parallel between getting true addicts into jail and a homosexual being forced to "anti-gay camp" does not hold, because, the only dangerous parts of being homosexual is other human beings who hate them.

Also, you are missing the main point of why this all was mentioned in the first place, as an advice of caution to Gogira, which I might have stated too much as a parable:

In this parable, you are the addict which does not want to change, and she plays the part of the codependent putting herself in harm's way because "he can change, there's a decent human being under that monkey skin", while you might play along just to keep getting attention.
Far more well formed and taken in a direction i did not anticipate; i commend you and see the point you were trying to make far better now considering your parable.

As for gogira wishing to "pull the human out" or whatever, yes, you saved her and my own time well enough -- i wished to cooperate with her only in gathering research concerning anonymous communications...if that whole thing was a ruse to lure the "human" out, it would have indeed ended in me shitting all over things. Neither a service to her or me...

Now see, if you always were so mannered things would had gone much differently.

Not that it matters now, since you have shown that you have an impulse for seeking negative attention and get your kicks from riling people up.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 06:52:39 am
Ok, if you wish to take your argument in that direction, ill go there for your own amusement.

Anyway, the crux of your argument relies on the premise that homosexuality is both an innate property of an individual, and is unmodifyable.
In short, your point is leaning on something you haven't cited the validity of -- and when you do, I can then find a way to debase that study, and produce a counter argument based on a study that invalidates your own argument.
Likewise, you can counter my counter argument, and we can go back in forth spouting lies, damned lies and statistics until one of us simply concedes for the sake of social capital.

Now then, the conversation "degraded" In that my hypothetical scenario had nothing to do with homos per se: the illustrative was used to show that when you apply the idea of "jail the enemy to reform him" to a group you happen to like, it seems illogical, abhorrant and simply "evil", because its something you just happen to stand behind.

I concede that getting into a debate about homosexuality might be somewhat of an effort, and I don't really want to create a "Drugs Thread 2.0". Also, debating something you might not even have a true position on is kind of cheap and convenient, because it's much more easier to criticize and find weak spots than to make a positive solid argument.

Now, true addiction rather than recreational use leads to death (addiction being defined as, using a substance or thing to the point that it is provoking negative effects on one's own life, work, relationships), I'm talking about alcoholics that go on black-outs and do impulsive things like getting into brawls with strangers, ride a car or motorcycle at very dangerous speeds, or say, heroin addicts that their arms get gangrene from injecting so much.

The parallel between getting true addicts into jail and a homosexual being forced to "anti-gay camp" does not hold, because, the only dangerous parts of being homosexual is other human beings who hate them.

Also, you are missing the main point of why this all was mentioned in the first place, as an advice of caution to Gogira, which I might have stated too much as a parable:

In this parable, you are the addict which does not want to change, and she plays the part of the codependent putting herself in harm's way because "he can change, there's a decent human being under that monkey skin", while you might play along just to keep getting attention.
Far more well formed and taken in a direction i did not anticipate; i commend you and see the point you were trying to make far better now considering your parable.

As for gogira wishing to "pull the human out" or whatever, yes, you saved her and my own time well enough -- i wished to cooperate with her only in gathering research concerning anonymous communications...if that whole thing was a ruse to lure the "human" out, it would have indeed ended in me shitting all over things. Neither a service to her or me...

Now see, if you always were so mannered things would had gone much differently.

Not that it matters now, since you have shown that you have an impulse for seeking negative attention and get your kicks from riling people up.

Well, you bested me in rhetoric...I can only give due respect there. Even richard the lionheart could give saladin his honour due.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 08, 2013, 08:48:12 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.

If our village idiot is part of an endless chain of forgettable, interchangeable village idiots, stamped from the Great Idiot Replicator in the sky.

We should dig up the checklist.

Because he's sort of doing a Holist/Dead Kennedy misogynist thing.  And, like them, he thinks he's being clever.  We could just loop this shit.

Yep, pretty much. Same boring predictable shit every time.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 08, 2013, 08:57:45 am

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.

If our village idiot is part of an endless chain of forgettable, interchangeable village idiots, stamped from the Great Idiot Replicator in the sky.

We should dig up the checklist.

Because he's sort of doing a Holist/Dead Kennedy misogynist thing.  And, like them, he thinks he's being clever.  We could just loop this shit.

Yep, pretty much. Same boring predictable shit every time.

What was holist's pattern? If I could know this, perhaps I could do something outside of it in order to stimulate excitement rather than being predictable...
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 03:16:09 pm

My guess is badly socialized racist capable of reform.

OPTIMISM REIGNS SUPREME!   :lulz:

Confusion reigns with so much more supremacy, though.

What does reforming my racism have to do with discussing anonymous communications styles?

It makes your otherwise hopelessly dull presence marginally more interesting.

It's kind of like having our own village idiot.

If our village idiot is part of an endless chain of forgettable, interchangeable village idiots, stamped from the Great Idiot Replicator in the sky.

We should dig up the checklist.

Because he's sort of doing a Holist/Dead Kennedy misogynist thing.  And, like them, he thinks he's being clever.  We could just loop this shit.

Yep, pretty much. Same boring predictable shit every time.

What was holist's pattern? If I could know this, perhaps I could do something outside of it in order to stimulate excitement rather than being predictable...

That would be bad science on our part.

No, you'll have to ride the fail train the hard way, just like all the others over the years.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 08, 2013, 07:00:26 pm
Damn, of course you guys get into this when I'm nursing a post-Tuesday-Night-Dinner hangover.

Von, are you familiar with the parable of the racist tree?

I can't make you be less of a dick, that's a decision you have to make on your own. All I can do is offer you one reason you might want to do it (the promise of delving into some weird mental space that you and I may share). I categorically refuse to do that as long as you are content to be a bedshitting racist douchebag. I know it's not an instantaneous process, but thus far you haven't so much as said you want to get better, and like Johnny said, that's something that comes from within. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I know I've spent enough time being a shitneck that there's always hope.

So, if von wants to talk with people about this shit but doesn't want to make the attempt to be a biped, he can go elsewhere. I am not taking him on as a project or willing to put up with him while he's still in the beep-boop > embarrassment > screeching monkey > beep-boop cycle.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 08, 2013, 07:11:24 pm
He called Nigel a mulatto welfare queen.

That's pretty much all I need to know about him.

More than, really.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 08, 2013, 07:13:47 pm
Here at PD.com, we believe in carrying coals to Newcastle, hopping on a horse to teach those windmills what-for, and "curing" racists.  We believe that futile attempts to counsel people over the internet are a reasonable and rewarding endeavor, and by next year, we'll be offering to help the members of Westboro Baptist Church overcome their issues.

We do this because we care.  And because why not bash your head into a brick wall until Elvis tells you to stop?  Or explain to a creature with no principles why it is WRONG and we are RIGHT and by God, we'll selflessly spend our PRECIOUS AND IRREPLACEABLE TIME ON THIS EARTH trying to fill a moral vacuum, in a herculean spasm of self-righteousness.

FACT:  You aren't going to "help" this shitweasel, because he LIKES the way he is.

FACT:  There are two kinds of bigots...The ignorant and the hateful.  You can fix ignorance.  The hateful ones, like this thing, are worthy only of scorn and ridicule.

OPINION:  I think the motivations of those trying to "cure" this scum puppy are questionable, and may involve Brad Pitt hats at some point.

Doktor's Diagnosis:  The case is hopeless.  But don't let that stand in the way of the glorious crusade.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 09, 2013, 02:43:26 am
Damn, of course you guys get into this when I'm nursing a post-Tuesday-Night-Dinner hangover.

Von, are you familiar with the parable of the racist tree?

I can't make you be less of a dick, that's a decision you have to make on your own. All I can do is offer you one reason you might want to do it (the promise of delving into some weird mental space that you and I may share). I categorically refuse to do that as long as you are content to be a bedshitting racist douchebag. I know it's not an instantaneous process, but thus far you haven't so much as said you want to get better, and like Johnny said, that's something that comes from within. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I know I've spent enough time being a shitneck that there's always hope.

So, if von wants to talk with people about this shit but doesn't want to make the attempt to be a biped, he can go elsewhere. I am not taking him on as a project or willing to put up with him while he's still in the beep-boop > embarrassment > screeching monkey > beep-boop cycle.

this seems dangley...

look, I told you I could act civil, but this just seems like you're carrot-on-a-sticking in order to "fix" me. yeah no...


also racist tree was a pretty good story...

Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 09, 2013, 02:45:34 am
Damn, of course you guys get into this when I'm nursing a post-Tuesday-Night-Dinner hangover.

Von, are you familiar with the parable of the racist tree?

I can't make you be less of a dick, that's a decision you have to make on your own. All I can do is offer you one reason you might want to do it (the promise of delving into some weird mental space that you and I may share). I categorically refuse to do that as long as you are content to be a bedshitting racist douchebag. I know it's not an instantaneous process, but thus far you haven't so much as said you want to get better, and like Johnny said, that's something that comes from within. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I know I've spent enough time being a shitneck that there's always hope.

So, if von wants to talk with people about this shit but doesn't want to make the attempt to be a biped, he can go elsewhere. I am not taking him on as a project or willing to put up with him while he's still in the beep-boop > embarrassment > screeching monkey > beep-boop cycle.

this seems dangley...

look, I told you I could act civil, but this just seems like you're carrot-on-a-sticking in order to "fix" me. yeah no...


also racist tree was a pretty good story...

Yeah, act civil.  :roll:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: von on May 09, 2013, 04:04:42 am
Damn, of course you guys get into this when I'm nursing a post-Tuesday-Night-Dinner hangover.

Von, are you familiar with the parable of the racist tree?

I can't make you be less of a dick, that's a decision you have to make on your own. All I can do is offer you one reason you might want to do it (the promise of delving into some weird mental space that you and I may share). I categorically refuse to do that as long as you are content to be a bedshitting racist douchebag. I know it's not an instantaneous process, but thus far you haven't so much as said you want to get better, and like Johnny said, that's something that comes from within. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I know I've spent enough time being a shitneck that there's always hope.

So, if von wants to talk with people about this shit but doesn't want to make the attempt to be a biped, he can go elsewhere. I am not taking him on as a project or willing to put up with him while he's still in the beep-boop > embarrassment > screeching monkey > beep-boop cycle.

this seems dangley...

look, I told you I could act civil, but this just seems like you're carrot-on-a-sticking in order to "fix" me. yeah no...


also racist tree was a pretty good story...

Yeah, act civil.  :roll:

Within the sphere of cognitive-behaviourism, where is the differance?
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 09, 2013, 05:09:08 am
Daww. It thinks it's people!
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 09, 2013, 09:51:24 am
It thinks it's smart and tries to prove this by acting like a total fucking retard :kingmeh:
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 09, 2013, 04:17:16 pm
He called Nigel a mulatto welfare queen.

That's pretty much all I need to know about him.

More than, really.

AND changed his handle to "nigger". :lulz: Because THAT'LL SHOW US! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Funniest thing I've seen since RWHN lauded himself as the smartest guy in the room.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 09, 2013, 04:22:46 pm
The funny thing is, I'm worth 50 of his fetal-alcohol-syndrome hick ass. Both in net worth and social worth. Which is why he has such an inferiority complex; he knows he has zero assets and zero social equity, so he runs around trying to shit on other people who ARE doing something with their lives to make himself feel superior. Fuck you, you good for nothing homeowning self-employed single mother straight-A college student! You're brown!  :lol:

The irony in his attempts to cast aspersions is that the odds are small that he'll ever amount to anything. At all. He certainly doesn't seem to be interested in bettering himself.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Salty on May 09, 2013, 04:25:37 pm
Its hard to better yourself when you've got nothing but tube socks and libertarians for friends.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 09, 2013, 04:27:15 pm
As an aside what the fuck is a "mulatto" anyway? Other than it's in the chorus to Teen Spirit I never heard the word before.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Cain on May 09, 2013, 04:30:46 pm
As an aside what the fuck is a "mulatto" anyway? Other than it's in the chorus to Teen Spirit I never heard the word before.

It means someone with one white and one black parent, or, more generally, of mixed ancestery.  It's a pretty archaic term though.
Title: Re: Split from Freedom in Houston
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 09, 2013, 04:35:39 pm
As an aside what the fuck is a "mulatto" anyway? Other than it's in the chorus to Teen Spirit I never heard the word before.

A person who is mixed-race white and black. If I recall correctly, it and similar terms originated in the American South during the slavery era, as a means of quantifying the proportion of white to black in mixed-race slaves. Paler slaves were more valuable as house servants or sex slaves. I fancy that to racist white trash, it's some sort of terrible insult.

Technically, I'm an octoroon, as I'm an eighth black. Mulattos are half.

Even more technically, I'm a mestizo or creole (depending on whether you're Spanish or French), as I'm white, black, and indian.