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Its all kicking off in downtown Cairo...

Started by Cain, January 25, 2011, 09:53:50 PM

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Verbal Mike

#120
February 02, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
Yeah, the people of Egypt still have it a little worse than most in the USA.

I can't believe that sonofabitch Mubarak. Last night I was all like "well if he's honestly going to manage to peaceful transition that's probably for the best". That lying douchebag. He was planning on escalating violence all along. Twitter is saying *all* pro-Mubarak thugs caught so far had gov't or party ID on them.

Looks to me like, since he control State TV, his strategy all along, including last night and today, has been to spin a narrative in which the people spoke, he listened, but the people couldn't control themselves and caused violence to break out. There was also the looting a few days ago, also reportedly perpetrated by his people. He probably aims to beat up the protesters, blame them for it, and make himself look like the responsible, reasonable adult in this mess. Maybe he'll try to escalate the violence to the point that he can "reluctantly" decide to stay in power for a while longer in order to resolve the chaos supposedly caused by the protesters.

It seems like from day 1, the protesters were peaceful or only mildly aggressive, and Mubarak is the man who can at any moment turn the dial to escalate or de-escalate violence. So first he makes the protests look like violent riots, then lets things calm down so he can go on State TV saying how he's heard the people and wants to oversee the changes they demand (except for his immediate resignation). Then, seeing as the crowds didn't immediately say "kthxbye" and go home, he escalates it again so he can make them look unreasonable and convince people they are the enemy rather than him.

It's gonna get ugly, but there is no way the Egyptian people will ever get over this and forgive him. He said he wants to die on Egyptian soil and be judged by history. Well, the day they drag him out and beat him to death will become a national holiday. Mark my words.
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Verbal Mike

#121
February 02, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
The latest on twitter: lights in the square have been turned off, police reportedly have orders to open fire. Army still can't decide whether to separate the two sides, leave, or take a side. A massacre might be about to commence.
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Nephew Twiddleton

#122
February 02, 2011, 05:48:23 PM
Quote from: VERBL on February 02, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
The latest on twitter: lights in the square have been turned off, police reportedly have orders to open fire. Army still can't decide whether to separate the two sides, leave, or take a side. A massacre might be about to commence.

Fuck.
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Verbal Mike

#123
February 02, 2011, 05:49:25 PM
That Twitter thing where people call in and the crowd transcribes their voices into a tweet just said the army opened fire. Waiting to hear on who.
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Verbal Mike

#124
February 02, 2011, 05:55:28 PM
Hmm, it's been five minutes and no more mention of that... I guess it was either wrong, just a few shots, or something so bad that nobody in the area is tweeting right now.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#125
February 02, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: VERBL on February 02, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
The latest on twitter: lights in the square have been turned off, police reportedly have orders to open fire. Army still can't decide whether to separate the two sides, leave, or take a side. A massacre might be about to commence.

Bad move on Mubarik's part.  He will from now on face two situations:

1.  Succeed, and spend the rest of his life riding a tiger, or

2.  Fail, and get put up against a suitable backstop with a blindfold and a cigarette.

Likewise, the army better shit or get off the pot.
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Adios

#126
February 02, 2011, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: VERBL on February 02, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
The latest on twitter: lights in the square have been turned off, police reportedly have orders to open fire. Army still can't decide whether to separate the two sides, leave, or take a side. A massacre might be about to commence.

Bad move on Mubarik's part.  He will from now on face two situations:

1.  Succeed, and spend the rest of his life riding a tiger, or

2.  Fail, and get put up against a suitable backstop with a blindfold and a cigarette.

Likewise, the army better shit or get off the pot.

If he remains stubborn option 2 is very likely.

The Good Reverend Roger

#127
February 02, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
From MSNBC:

QuoteBloodied anti-government protesters were taken to makeshift clinics in mosques and alleyways. Some pleaded for protection from soldiers stationed at the square, but the soldiers did nothing to stop the violence, beyond firing an occasional shot in the air.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Verbal Mike

#128
February 02, 2011, 06:11:01 PM
Yeah, AJE doing a recap of the day and it sounds like the army literally stood aside and let gov't goons move into the square with clubs to beat protestors... Not a good sign at all. I wonder if they were actually ordered by Mubarak the other day to be nice to the protestors at first and promise not to fire on them...
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The Good Reverend Roger

#129
February 02, 2011, 06:14:16 PM
Yemen's president seems to have a better grip on reality:

Quote from: MSNBCSANAA, Yemen — The Yemeni president told parliament Wednesday that he would not seek another term in office or hand power to his son — an apparent reaction to protests in this impoverished nation that have been inspired by Tunisia's revolt and the turmoil in Egypt.

The U.S.-allied Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has been in power for nearly 32 years, spoke to lawmakers in both houses of the assembly on the eve of mass rallies that the opposition has called for Thursday in all Yemeni provinces.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Verbal Mike

#130
February 02, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
You realize that's exactly what Mubarak promised last night, right?
I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes that Mubarak waited for a week of massive protests first and Saleh preempted them. The Egyptian street apparently knew right away that "not gonna run for another term, not quitting before it ends" is just a ruse to hold on to power... No idea if the situation in Yemen is remotely the same... But I hear in Egypt this kind of promise has been made several times before to get people to stop protesting and be good little citizens again.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#131
February 02, 2011, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: VERBL on February 02, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
You realize that's exactly what Mubarak promised last night, right?
I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes that Mubarak waited for a week of massive protests first and Saleh preempted them. The Egyptian street apparently knew right away that "not gonna run for another term, not quitting before it ends" is just a ruse to hold on to power... No idea if the situation in Yemen is remotely the same... But I hear in Egypt this kind of promise has been made several times before to get people to stop protesting and be good little citizens again.

Yemen has different issues.  Specifically, religious nuts.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Verbal Mike

#132
February 02, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
Oy.

Apparently, the army is now stopping from citizens to go into the square to help the wounded.

This doth not bode well.

Oy.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#133
February 02, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: VERBL on February 02, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
Oy.

Apparently, the army is now stopping from citizens to go into the square to help the wounded.

This doth not bode well.

Oy.

Source?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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