Excuse me while I vomit.- Trigger Warning for Rape and Rape Culture.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

Or vice-versa.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

Or vice-versa.

I had a mouth full of coffee you bastard!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

Or vice-versa.

I had a mouth full of coffee you bastard!

But did the coffee have your consent?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

Or vice-versa.

I had a mouth full of coffee you bastard!

But did the coffee have your consent?

It did for my mouth, but not for my nose.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Rape is sticking things into people without their consent or their ability to give consent."

Or vice-versa.

I had a mouth full of coffee you bastard!

But did the coffee have your consent?

It did for my mouth, but not for my nose.

BREAKING:  Juan Valdez Arrested For Nose Rape.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

I'm pretty sure, yeah.  It works on the same principle as if you have sex with someone who's passed out at a party.

So, waking up and midnight and going to town is a bad thing?

I'm going to have my wife arrested for rape.

Um I am pretty sure that if Enabler is pretty sure that you'd totally be into it, and you just wake up, grin and say "hey baby" and get with the sexytimes, that your wife is clear of all charges.  However if you had communicated that it's not something you're comfortable with then it would be.

Trying to mek sexytimes with a sleeping lady is not advisable unless she's said previously she'd be into it, and are prepared to stop if the response is "gerroff i'm sleepy", and passed out drunk is DO NEVAR!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm pretty sure a married, or committed couple has a different set of boundaries (but marital rape exists) that include some sort of implied consent (but marital rape exists) in circumstances like that (but marital rape exists).

I think we all know marital rape exists.  No argument there.  The implied consent thing might also apply in a non-marital relationship, given that everyone is on board ahead of time.

Some absolute statements are perfectly valid ("Don't drug your date's drink"), and some are leaning into being just silly because of the absolutism of the statement.

You need to consider the target audience. The intent is to educate men who DON'T understand the boundaries, let alone how to negotiate them within the context of an established relationship.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Are you suggesting we E-Prime statements about rape?







Although, that would certainly be effective.

How about:

"Rape is the act of having sex with someone without their prior consent or ability to give consent."

That's overly simplistic. A lot of men out there who are going too far are unclear on the very concept of consent.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Are you suggesting we E-Prime statements about rape?







Although, that would certainly be effective.

How about:

"Rape is the act of having sex with someone without their prior consent or ability to give consent."

That's overly simplistic. A lot of men out there who are going too far are unclear on the very concept of consent.

That hurts my brain... How is consent not clear?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Are you suggesting we E-Prime statements about rape?







Although, that would certainly be effective.

How about:

"Rape is the act of having sex with someone without their prior consent or ability to give consent."

That's overly simplistic. A lot of men out there who are going too far are unclear on the very concept of consent.

That hurts my brain... How is consent not clear?

How many guys in that Reddit thread were under the impression that "she was into it"? That's what I mean. They may THINK it's consensual, or that a lack of struggle is consent. They simply don't understand what consent IS. Why do you think that so much effort goes into spelling out exactly what is "yes" and what is "no"? You can't compare the general population of guys to yourself, because if all guys were like you, do you think rape would be the problem that it is? Gonna go out on a limb here and say "probably not".

It's tempting for a lot of people to say "well, the kind of guys who rape aren't going to respond to education programs about consent anyway", but that's false. The "kind of guys who rape" are more likely to be ignorant and/or selfish than malicious or sadistic, and education, as millions of psychology 101 students have learned over the years, is the most powerful and effective solution to resolve both ignorance and selfishness.

[Placid Dingo]

Or the idea of ' she isn't saying no so thats yes'. Which obviously is not right.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Are you suggesting we E-Prime statements about rape?







Although, that would certainly be effective.

How about:

"Rape is the act of having sex with someone without their prior consent or ability to give consent."

That's overly simplistic. A lot of men out there who are going too far are unclear on the very concept of consent.

That hurts my brain... How is consent not clear?

Because in the UK, anyway,  the definition of what is consent has had new legal precedents set on it within the last 10 years or so and it's shifting from "no means no" to "anything less than a yes is a no", you factor in coercion and consent under duress, cultural signals about masculinity and "really real rapists for realness" and a lack of relationship education within sex ed or decent advertising campaigns when there is a legal shift in attitudes, equals confusion and sadly, rapists who if they were better educated would most likely NOT have got all rapey.

I appreciate how informative this thread has been.  Both on the subjects of trigger warnings and rape culture.

Oh, this is just bare basics stuff really on the rape culture thing. I've only been doing femininja readings and stuff for about 4 months.  The objectification/ male entitlement side of things is something I've not even covered here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Or the idea of ' she isn't saying no so thats yes'. Which obviously is not right.

That's a direct offshoot of the "no means no" campaign, which essentially placed responsibility for rape on the woman.

The whole "but did you say no?" defense.

[Juana]

"silence is consent" :/