Excuse me while I vomit.- Trigger Warning for Rape and Rape Culture.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

That and the fact that there are people out there who misread everything as "SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME", to wit:

"She dropped something and bent over to pick it up. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME."

"She smiled. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME."

"Her nipples are hard. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME." (Never mind that the ambient temperature is about 40F.)

etc.

This in itself isn't so bad, provided the person in questions asks first.

She dropped something and bent over to pick it up. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME.
"Hey, do you want to fuck me?"

She smiled. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME.
"Hey, do you want to fuck me?"

Her nipples are hard. SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME. (Never mind that the ambient temperature is about 40F.)
"Hey, do you want to go somewhere warmer, and fuck me?"

Some people just aren't that smooth. 

[East Coast Hustle]

IMO, that leads back to the general sexual culture in our society. In a climate of repression where many (if not most) people are programmed to be embarrassed/fearful/etc. of sexual expression, some people who don't feel comfortable openly discussing sex will resort to confirmation bias and/or exploitation because they'll never feel comfortable just saying things like "hey, you wanna go somewhere and get naked?" That doesn't excuse them in any way, but ultimately the cultural changes that would drastically reduce criminal sexual behavior need to come in a form that makes people realize that sex is OK, talking about sex is OK, and being rejected for sex is OK and doesn't make you less of a person.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

IMO, that leads back to the general sexual culture in our society. In a climate of repression where many (if not most) people are programmed to be embarrassed/fearful/etc. of sexual expression, some people who don't feel comfortable openly discussing sex will resort to confirmation bias and/or exploitation because they'll never feel comfortable just saying things like "hey, you wanna go somewhere and get naked?" That doesn't excuse them in any way, but ultimately the cultural changes that would drastically reduce criminal sexual behavior need to come in a form that makes people realize that sex is OK, talking about sex is OK, and being rejected for sex is OK and doesn't make you less of a person.

Sure, stating a fact is not the same as endorsing it. 

And very yes.  If you ask, the worst that can usually happen is she says "no".

[East Coast Hustle]

And if you ask often enough, SOMEONE is eventually going to say yes, and you'll get your rocks off without having to be a shitneck about it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And if you ask often enough, SOMEONE is eventually going to say yes, and you'll get your rocks off without having to be a shitneck about it.

We had this ugly little bastard at Ft Drum that would do exactly that.  Hit the bar, ask every girl in the place for some loving.  If the girl wasn't interested, he'd just move on to the next.

He never went home alone, and in fact usually left early with someone.  Being bold & forthright about things can pay off, as soon as you find someone that's there for the exact same reason you are there.

That's not PUA, of course.  He employed no "tricks".  He would sit next to a girl, strike up a conversation, and then flat out ask if she wanted to go somewhere and get her nasty on.  He had learned, you see, that bit of knowledge that evades the PUA-tards:  Women like sex, too, and tricks are not required.

But PUA tards are not capable of seeing that, because they view women as conquests to attain, not human beings with the same drives as any other human being.

[Luna]

Wait a minute.  Sex with a sleeping person is rape?

I'm going back a bit, here, but...  Yes.

US Expands Definition of Rape

January 12, 2012

The Justice Department recently announced that it had changed the federal definition of "rape." Going forward rape will include male victims and female perpetrators, as well as, situations in which victims are unable to give consent, such as a disabled person or someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The new definition defines it as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

http://rinow.org/2012/01/12/us-expands-definition-of-rape/

If you're asleep, you can't give consent.  However, as was stated before in this thread, prior arrangements MIGHT get you off any charges, mostly because, presumably, if you had said prior arrangements, nobody would be calling the cops, anyway.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wait a minute.  Sex with a sleeping person is rape?

I'm going back a bit, here, but...  Yes.

US Expands Definition of Rape

January 12, 2012

The Justice Department recently announced that it had changed the federal definition of "rape." Going forward rape will include male victims and female perpetrators, as well as, situations in which victims are unable to give consent, such as a disabled person or someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The new definition defines it as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

http://rinow.org/2012/01/12/us-expands-definition-of-rape/

If you're asleep, you can't give consent.  However, as was stated before in this thread, prior arrangements MIGHT get you off any charges, mostly because, presumably, if you had said prior arrangements, nobody would be calling the cops, anyway.

It's not ME that's in trouble, here.

[Luna]

Wait a minute.  Sex with a sleeping person is rape?

I'm going back a bit, here, but...  Yes.

US Expands Definition of Rape

January 12, 2012

The Justice Department recently announced that it had changed the federal definition of "rape." Going forward rape will include male victims and female perpetrators, as well as, situations in which victims are unable to give consent, such as a disabled person or someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The new definition defines it as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

http://rinow.org/2012/01/12/us-expands-definition-of-rape/

If you're asleep, you can't give consent.  However, as was stated before in this thread, prior arrangements MIGHT get you off any charges, mostly because, presumably, if you had said prior arrangements, nobody would be calling the cops, anyway.

It's not ME that's in trouble, here.

I got that.  "You" in the general sense, I meant.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Follow up from the AskARapist thread on reddit- a psychiatrist steps up, and considers the thread potentially dangerous.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xf5c2/reddit_are_you_aware_how_dangerous_the_askarapist/

I'm still reading and digesting this one.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Follow up from the AskARapist thread on reddit- a psychiatrist steps up, and considers the thread potentially dangerous.

Wat

I can't see reddit from here.

[Placid Dingo]

Follow up from the AskARapist thread on reddit- a psychiatrist steps up, and considers the thread potentially dangerous.

Wat

I can't see reddit from here.

Basically it could encourage existing rapists because they're going to be encouraged by the attention they get from having an audience.

I haven't really looked through the Reddit thread in detail but I do have doubts just in that from what I've seen, there's mostly repentant self-loathing guys who want to get something off their chest. Not men who want to shock with their exploits. So I don't know if the type of guys who she's afraid of encouraging are the type who are actually sharing their stories.

The fact that this conversation is being held, in its whole complexity, i think this is good. Our society needs to talk about sex, rape, consent. ECH fucking nailed it with our weird sexual culture. Repression repression SIXTY FOOT BOOBS ON BILLBOARD repression repression.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Basically it could encourage existing rapists because they're going to be encouraged by the attention they get from having an audience.

So could any conversation about rape.

I don't think existing rapists are going to be affected one way or the other by anything other than themselves or perhaps a jail sentence. 

[LMNO]

I'd say the general culture of 4Chan would be more encouraging to rapists than a single Reddit thread.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'd say the general culture of 4Chan would be more encouraging to rapists than a single Reddit thread.

And even that wouldn't have much effect. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Follow up from the AskARapist thread on reddit- a psychiatrist steps up, and considers the thread potentially dangerous.

Wat

I can't see reddit from here.

Basically it could encourage existing rapists because they're going to be encouraged by the attention they get from having an audience.

I haven't really looked through the Reddit thread in detail but I do have doubts just in that from what I've seen, there's mostly repentant self-loathing guys who want to get something off their chest. Not men who want to shock with their exploits. So I don't know if the type of guys who she's afraid of encouraging are the type who are actually sharing their stories.

The fact that this conversation is being held, in its whole complexity, i think this is good. Our society needs to talk about sex, rape, consent. ECH fucking nailed it with our weird sexual culture. Repression repression SIXTY FOOT BOOBS ON BILLBOARD repression repression.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm pretty skeptical of his rationale. Repression and secrecy haven't ever helped anything before, why would it now?