Tennessee getting ready to throw poor students under the bus.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.

There's a biped somewhere in there, TGRR. It's just been buried in a fuckton of bad signal.

We'll see.  I've been disappointed in this manner one time too many, though, to get my hopes up.

Also, I'm more than a little tired of the discussion...How many Randites have we tripped over in the last 10 years?  Either you're a human being, or you're some kind of production biot.  It's one or the other, and frankly, I'm just going to wait until the issue is resolved before I put any effort into talking to this guy.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

No money to seek professional help...too poor to afford healthcare, too "rich" to have someone else afford it for me

Translation:  Can't be arsed to look for it, will assume smudgy people took it all anyway.

See what I mean, Cainad?

[The Johnny]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

What does that even mean?
Also, go read the BIP.

The BIP isn't helpful to me on the issue...tbh, all I ever take away from the BIP when I read it can be summed up in 2 or 3 pages in the principia; the ones related to psycho-metaphysics....

anyway...

Try googling something like "curing racism" or "racism counseling" or any number of queries that essentially relate to "I'm racist and don't want to be anymore"...90% of your top articles relate to essentially calling white males who hold racist views tiny-dicked hicks or self-loathing bastards. They're also more typically editorials moreso than self help...

Huh...while writing this post, I did note something interesting though...

In the video "how to operate your brain", Tim Leary talks about how "those who control your eyeballs, control your brain"...I interpret this as meaing "the more shit you read/watch, the more shit you think, and thus shit becomes truth."

I've been reading/watching bad shit for some time...perhaps me coming to PD is beneficial in that I'm replacing bad shit, with shit that conflicts with the shit I hold true. Mabey if I linger long enough, I can become reconditioned simply by removing my usual shit from my viewing habits...

Sorry for the tl;dr rant

Why would you need to google that shit? Any decent therapist with PTSD skills and experience should be able to work with you on that. Google isn't going to do fuck-all for you.

No money to seek professional help...too poor to afford healthcare, too "rich" to have someone else afford it for me

Almost evoked sympathy

[Cainad (dec.)]

No money to seek professional help...too poor to afford healthcare, too "rich" to have someone else afford it for me

Translation:  Can't be arsed to look for it, will assume smudgy people took it all anyway.

See what I mean, Cainad?

Oof.

I guess that's what I get for screwing around with Dok Howl's Cynicism Mind Lazor. I had the fucking thing in reverse and, well... yeah.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

No money to seek professional help...too poor to afford healthcare, too "rich" to have someone else afford it for me

Translation:  Can't be arsed to look for it, will assume smudgy people took it all anyway.

See what I mean, Cainad?

Oof.

I guess that's what I get for screwing around with Dok Howl's Cynicism Mind Lazor. I had the fucking thing in reverse and, well... yeah.

It's not that he's not intelligent enough, or anything.  It's that he's emotionally invested in "not being wrong" and being "smarter than the liberals" or whatnot.  Perhaps he has gained some sort of status in the teabagger crowd, and wants to maintain it, or maybe he just likes having things fed to him on AM radio.

In any case, he will dig his heels in on the privilege/entitlement thing, because it's easier than thinking.

I did notice, however, that nobody actually explained what privilege/entitlement really means when he brought it up.  I'm heading to bed.  I'll post something tomorrow if he's gonna be around.

[Banned User 1]

How am I digging my heels in on the issue? The statement you quoted, roger, simply concerns my financial situation. Sure, I retorted smugly about it, but when it comes down to it, you seem to be saying that by stating my fiscal situation, I'm reinforcing an opinion.

If I don't have the ability to purchase something, how is this fact simply me digging my heels in?

Tl;dr youre putting words in my mouth

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How am I digging my heels in on the issue? The statement you quoted, roger, simply concerns my financial situation. Sure, I retorted smugly about it, but when it comes down to it, you seem to be saying that by stating my fiscal situation, I'm reinforcing an opinion.

If I don't have the ability to purchase something, how is this fact simply me digging my heels in?

Tl;dr youre putting words in my mouth

Keeps coming back the entitlement thing, or being "smug" as you put it.

I live in Tucson, which isn't exactly a vast pot of wealth - to put it mildly - and people get treated all the time with no income, some income, or even a fairly good-sized income.  DES is actually pretty damn good about it, despite our state government.  It's there, just about everywhere.  You have to go get it, though.  You might even have to wait in line.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It occurs to me, though, that you and I are using "entitlement" in very different ways.

I'll explain myself tomorrow.

[Banned User 1]

Sounds fair roger.

Ill concede that you're correct that I've not sought help directly...

Regardless, I'm interested in your definition of entitlement...

Regardless, sleep well

[Bruno]

VZ: I'm just amused that you have such disdain for people that you, making $9.50/hr and no health insurance, are just one bad day away from joining.

LULZ! LULZ, I say!

How much actual income tax did you even pay last year? Maybe $500?

[Juana]

Tomorrow, time permitting, I will dig up a tumblr post with all sorts of cheap mental health services in a lot of states.

And, again, be mad at the entities responsible for your situation. It's not poor people, it's corporations that manipulate government and society in general for their own, fucking the rest of us over, ends.

[Banned User 1]

VZ: I'm just amused that you have such disdain for people that you, making $9.50/hr and no health insurance, are just one bad day away from joining.

LULZ! LULZ, I say!

How much actual income tax did you even pay last year? Maybe $500?

You underestimate me for sure. Although I alone make 9.50, total household income for myself, my wife and our room mate is roughly 3-3.5 times my own income.

Bluntly stated, I'm moreso a bad day away from having to give up the internet and cable than I am a bad day away from destitution.


Also, at a VERY rough estimate, I payed about 2500 in federal taxes last year...


Anyway, I hold no disdain for the poor. I hold disdain for those who don't try to stop being poor. For instance, Nigel mentioned that she is receiving aid. She also mentioned that she's attending classes of some sort in order to improve herself. There is no hatred in me over this use of public funds. My reasoning being that the recipient isnt simply "gaming the system", but rather is using public funds to recover from a disasterous situation.


Now then, if the recipient of aid were in their predicament due to voluntary actions, (I.e. improper "family planning", drug use) then of course I would feel no sympathy, as the situation could have been avoided had the recipient made better choices.

[Juana]

Dude, working as a measure of a person's worth is so ingrained in our society (and also being poor sucks and it's not like welfare is paying anyone the big bucks) that I doubt there are many people who are gaming the system.

[Banned User 1]

Tomorrow, time permitting, I will dig up a tumblr post with all sorts of cheap mental health services in a lot of states.

And, again, be mad at the entities responsible for your situation. It's not poor people, it's corporations that manipulate government and society in general for their own, fucking the rest of us over, ends.

don't bother looking into mental health facilities. I hate to be rude, but I will inevitably ignore the lot of them; experiences with psychological workers in my youth have unfortunately turned me off to placing trust in people payed to practice psychological medicine. Couple this with the number of people I know who are so "mentally ill" that they are barred from working due to expressing unpopular ideas to doctors, ill gladly say id rather be a crypto-racist than lose my right to work.

don't get me wrong, though. you've been kind to me in trying to help! I thank you graciously for spending your efforts.

Your talk of blaming the corporate world for society's ills rings true to me...especially consitering the prison-industrial complex fuckery I've been skimming in other threads (not really a new concept to me...just need light reading to keep my mind fresh).

I guess if small-money me can be so unconcerned about others, I can only imagine the degree of callousness my bosses-bosses-bosses-bosses-boss must possess in order to have out-fucked the men below him.  Really interesting way to consiter things...

[Banned User 1]

Dude, working as a measure of a person's worth is so ingrained in our society (and also being poor sucks and it's not like welfare is paying anyone the big bucks) that I doubt there are many people who are gaming the system.

If not outright "gaming", I'm willing to definitely state there are those who get WAAAY more than is really...I guess, fair?

For instance, I spend about $75 monthly on groceries (for myself) and essentially eat prepackaged shit all day every day because its what I afford.

In the same instance, a friend of mine recieves $200 in food stamps monthly for himself, and has his fridge decked out with steak and fancy cakes and all sorts of other top-shelf shit I can't afford.

I guess I can follow you in blaming my employer for not paying me enough, but its this sort of thing that gets me pissed on the whole welfare issue everytime. Essentially, I see myself working hard to eat shit, while my buddy gets to eat like a king for nothing...