How We Protect At-Risk Kids.

[AFK]

And I understand you don't like the implications of that, but, it is reality.  Most organizations are going to be risk averse, and hiring someone IS an investment.  It takes resources; time, money, materials, to hire and train an employee.  Businesses want to minimize these costs.  So they don't only want the most qualified, they want someone who's going to stick around AND not cost them additionally throu on-the-job incidents.  Let's be real, when hiring a forklift operator, all things being equal, the person who makes choices to drive impaired is a riskier choice than someone who doesn't.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Will identifying fingerprint (or DNA) information about the subject collected during this legal non-event be retained and accessible against future investigations? Will the subject be compensated for lost work or emotional distress? Will there be a law in place prohibiting employers or schools from taking punitive action against the subject for missing time?

See, I'm calling bullshit on "no records kept".

Let's see the little stoner get a security clearance 10 years later.  Ain't happening.

I know people who had problems because of juvenile records, which are theoretically "sealed".
I've also seen letters saying that said records can be expunged in court, for a (not cheap) price.

Again, the funny part was getting RWHN to admit that records are in fact kept.   

[Doktor Howl]

And I understand you don't like the implications of that, but, it is reality.  Most organizations are going to be risk averse, and hiring someone IS an investment.  It takes resources; time, money, materials, to hire and train an employee.  Businesses want to minimize these costs.  So they don't only want the most qualified, they want someone who's going to stick around AND not cost them additionally throu on-the-job incidents.  Let's be real, when hiring a forklift operator, all things being equal, the person who makes choices to drive impaired is a riskier choice than someone who doesn't.

So, Diversion = Fucked For Life.

Thanks for confirming that, RWHN.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

All other qualifications being equal between two candidates, I absolutely would want the person without the history of driving impaired. 


I mean, think about it, you hire the guy, he comes to work impaired, kills another employee with the forklift.  You think the family might scream for your head if they knew you hired a guy with that known history?

You do understand what the word never means right?

Do you understand the meaning of the word risk?

You mean a word that you totally didn't use?

[Doktor Howl]

All other qualifications being equal between two candidates, I absolutely would want the person without the history of driving impaired. 


I mean, think about it, you hire the guy, he comes to work impaired, kills another employee with the forklift.  You think the family might scream for your head if they knew you hired a guy with that known history?

You do understand what the word never means right?

Do you understand the meaning of the word risk?

You mean a word that you totally didn't use?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

[AFK]

This conversation has nothing to do with diversion anymore, it's about the idea of forcing your ideals on others, limiting their hiring processes.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So the only reason that alcohol won't be banned in the US is because of lobbyists, and not because we tried that and found that Prohibition didn't work?

It's the reason a proposal would never make it to a point where you could even discuss the merits of the proposal.

But no one would make the proposal in the first place, because Prohibition didn't work.

Hobbyists fucked everything up. 

I keep telling people, it's those shitnecks on Etsy with their creative repurposed reclaimed upcycled fabric arts who "just want to cover their costs" who are ruining everything for everyone else.

Upcycled?  What's that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upcycling

Upcycling is the process of converting waste materials or useless products into new materials or products of better quality or for better environmental value.

The first recorded use of the term upcycling was by Reiner Pilz of Pilz GmbH in an article by Thornton Kay of Salvo in 1994.[1]

    We talked about the impending EU Demolition Waste Streams directive. "Recycling," he said, "I call it downcycling. They smash bricks, they smash everything. What we need is upcycling- where old products are given more value, not less." He despairs of the German situation and recalls the supply of a large quantity of reclaimed woodblock from an English supplier for a contract in Nuremberg while just down the road a load of similar blocks was scrapped. In the road outside his premises, was the result of the Germans' demolition waste recycling. It was a pinky looking aggregate with pieces of handmade brick, old tiles and discernible parts of useful old items mixed with crushed concrete. Is this the future for Europe?

For a hoot, search Etsy using the keyword "upcycled". Some of it's quite interesting, but a very large proportion of it is total lail.

[Doktor Howl]

This conversation has nothing to do with diversion anymore, it's about the idea of forcing your ideals on others, limiting their hiring processes.

Based on records from "diversion".

Nice try at deflection, cube-monkey. 

[AFK]

All other qualifications being equal between two candidates, I absolutely would want the person without the history of driving impaired. 


I mean, think about it, you hire the guy, he comes to work impaired, kills another employee with the forklift.  You think the family might scream for your head if they knew you hired a guy with that known history?

You do understand what the word never means right?

Do you understand the meaning of the word risk?

You mean a word that you totally didn't use?

Sorry, my mistake for assuming everyone understands a fairly basic business concept.

[Doktor Howl]

So the only reason that alcohol won't be banned in the US is because of lobbyists, and not because we tried that and found that Prohibition didn't work?

It's the reason a proposal would never make it to a point where you could even discuss the merits of the proposal.

But no one would make the proposal in the first place, because Prohibition didn't work.

Hobbyists fucked everything up. 

I keep telling people, it's those shitnecks on Etsy with their creative repurposed reclaimed upcycled fabric arts who "just want to cover their costs" who are ruining everything for everyone else.

Upcycled?  What's that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upcycling

Upcycling is the process of converting waste materials or useless products into new materials or products of better quality or for better environmental value.

The first recorded use of the term upcycling was by Reiner Pilz of Pilz GmbH in an article by Thornton Kay of Salvo in 1994.[1]

    We talked about the impending EU Demolition Waste Streams directive. "Recycling," he said, "I call it downcycling. They smash bricks, they smash everything. What we need is upcycling- where old products are given more value, not less." He despairs of the German situation and recalls the supply of a large quantity of reclaimed woodblock from an English supplier for a contract in Nuremberg while just down the road a load of similar blocks was scrapped. In the road outside his premises, was the result of the Germans' demolition waste recycling. It was a pinky looking aggregate with pieces of handmade brick, old tiles and discernible parts of useful old items mixed with crushed concrete. Is this the future for Europe?

For a hoot, search Etsy using the keyword "upcycled". Some of it's quite interesting, but a very large proportion of it is total lail.

I plan to.  That looks AWESOME.

Dok,
Off to upcycle some used condoms.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's basically taking an old thing, improving it or using it to make something nice, and then reinjecting it into the consumer cycle upstream of where it came out, rather than downstream. I know several people who make good livings in salvage and restoration, but then, of course, there is the mommy blogger craft version.

[Doktor Howl]

It's basically taking an old thing, improving it or using it to make something nice, and then reinjecting it into the consumer cycle upstream of where it came out, rather than downstream. I know several people who make good livings in salvage and restoration, but then, of course, there is the mommy blogger craft version.

Or worse.  muhaha

[AFK]

This conversation has nothing to do with diversion anymore, it's about the idea of forcing your ideals on others, limiting their hiring processes.

Based on records from "diversion".

Nice try at deflection, cube-monkey.

No.  Diversion =\= everyone who gets arrested for something drug-related ever gets off scot-free.

[Doktor Howl]

So, basically, "diversion" means the kid (or adult) doesn't go to jail...YET.  The person simply cannot get a decent job ever again, which means poverty, which means prison.

How socially conscious.  How protective.

[Doktor Howl]

This conversation has nothing to do with diversion anymore, it's about the idea of forcing your ideals on others, limiting their hiring processes.

Based on records from "diversion".

Nice try at deflection, cube-monkey.

No.  Diversion =\= everyone who gets arrested for something drug-related ever gets off scot-free.

IE, life ruined, minimum wage for life if they're LUCKY.

Prohibition is AWESOME.