Yet another healthcare topic

[Freeky]

"I don't have all the answers, I just know government is NOT the answer! Give it to some private company so they can make a profit off of it."

I  and then 

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SOCIALISM IN DA HOOOOOOOOUSE!

[Remington]

AMERICA ROONT


I gotta get myself to GLP and Rapture Ready.

[Reginald Ret]

Regarding taxation=theft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLxYNM1ziFI

Fatcats swindling tax money into their bank accounts is theft, not taxation itself.

Do try again.

Oh i'm sorry.
When i said theft i meant the removal of (objects of) value by force or the threat of force.
Nothing like taxation, no sir.
If you dont pay taxes the govt doesn't use violence or the threat of violence against you.
They just pat you on the head and give you a cookie.

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Regarding taxation=theft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLxYNM1ziFI

Fatcats swindling tax money into their bank accounts is theft, not taxation itself.

Do try again.

Oh i'm sorry.
When i said theft i meant the removal of (objects of) value by force or the threat of force.
Nothing like taxation, no sir.
If you dont pay taxes the govt doesn't use violence or the threat of violence against you.
They just pat you on the head and give you a cookie.

No one intends theft to mean taking something by force and leaving behind a massive infrastructure for your food, electricity, sewage, water to all run smoothly on.

Thieves don't conspire to build bridges, teach children, and put out fires for the massive numbers of people they stole from. That's called taxation.

Thieves bust in while you're not there, jack your electronics and skip town.

With taxes you get things in return, like roads and tons of shit you apparently take for granted.

OH LOOK! ANOTHER FREEWAY JUST FELL OUT OF MY ASS.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It's true! Taxes are not theft, they are an aspect of slavery.

Good slave owners provide housing and food and even medical care.

[MMIX]

It's true! Taxes are not theft, they are an aspect of slavery.

Good slave owners provide housing and food and even medical care.

If you believe that The Machine^TM always appears to be heartless then you are missing some of its best performances . . .

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It's true! Taxes are not theft, they are an aspect of slavery.

Good slave owners provide housing and food and even medical care.

If you believe that The Machine^TM always appears to be heartless then you are missing some of its best performances . . .

I dunno about Machines, but government does seem to play best when its playing heartstrings.

[Doktor Howl]

It's true! Taxes are not theft, they are an aspect of slavery.

BECAUSE THE BILLS DON'T HAVE TO BE PAID.

ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS FREE.

[Doktor Howl]

Regarding taxation=theft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLxYNM1ziFI

Fatcats swindling tax money into their bank accounts is theft, not taxation itself.

Do try again.

Oh i'm sorry.
When i said theft i meant the removal of (objects of) value by force or the threat of force.
Nothing like taxation, no sir.
If you dont pay taxes the govt doesn't use violence or the threat of violence against you.
They just pat you on the head and give you a cookie.

We tried voluntary taxation.  It worked so well we had to write a second constitution.

[Elder Iptuous]

No one intends theft to mean taking something by force and leaving behind a massive infrastructure for your food, electricity, sewage, water to all run smoothly on.

No one?
because it sure seems that he does.  and i do too.  and quite a few other people.
some people see taxation as a subset of theft.  you don't.

those fellas that wash your windshield with a dirty rag when you're at a stop light, and then stick out their hand for change?  they're annoying.  now if they threaten violence against you if you don't pony up some change (that they get to determine), you're going to tell me that's not theft?
If you think that's an absurd comparison, it can only be because you see personal utility in the things the govt. provides for your taxes, vs. a windshield 'washing'.    
So it sounds like what you're saying is that as long as it can be established that the personal utility to the individual is fair compensation for the money demanded, then it's not theft?
I'm sure you have a nice clean way of ensuring that, right?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It's true! Taxes are not theft, they are an aspect of slavery.

BECAUSE THE BILLS DON'T HAVE TO BE PAID.

ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS FREE.

I don't disagree that taxes can bring about beneficial infrastructure and government programs.

But we could use that line of reasoning to support sweatshops... after all those Nike's don't make themselves...

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say... if the option is "Our Way or Prison/Death/Garnished wages" it is a form of slavery.

In the south, before the civil war many slave owners argued that THE FIELDS HAVE TO BE PICKED, OR YOUR SHIRTS WILL BE WAYYYY TOOOOO EXPENSIVE!!! OMGZ!!!!

Doesn't change the fact that it was slavery... even for those slaves that were well cared for, given decent homes and some semblance of a life.

Big difference between the ends and the means, Dok.

[Elder Iptuous]

you know, you see this and similar arguments all the time, but it always results in the one side shouting, 'it's slavery/theft' and the other shouting, 'it's for the greater good'.  Nobody ever says what is the most apparent conclusion:  some degree of slavery/theft is necessary for the greater good.

i see the same thing in other contentious political debates...

[MMIX]

you know, you see this and similar arguments all the time, but it always results in the one side shouting, 'it's slavery/theft' and the other shouting, 'it's for the greater good'.  Nobody ever says what is the most apparent conclusion:  some degree of slavery/theft is necessary for the greater good.

i see the same thing in other contentious political debates...

always debatable . . .

[Doktor Howl]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.