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I haven't been drunk since last new year. I don't love or hate anyone anymore. I'm just numb :horrormirth:
It forced me to answer the question - "would you rather hear the original Rick Astley version" with "yes" and now I feel dirty and corrupted  :cry:
is it still rickrolling if they're upfront about it?
Can't. Fox News Building is closed this time of night.
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Turkey shoots down Russian Jet
« Last post by Cain on Today at 07:19:37 am »
Here's the kicker though: the Turkmen Syrian group is led by an alleged member of the Grey Wolves organization.

In the late 1970s, former military prosecutor and Turkish Supreme Court Justice Emin Değer documented collaboration between the Grey Wolves and Counter-Guerrilla—the Turkish stay-behind anti-communist organization, part of NATO planning which was supposed to prepare networks for guerrilla warfare in case of a Soviet invasion—and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Martin Lee writes that the Counter-Guerrilla supplied weapons to the Grey Wolves,[8] while according to Tim Jacoby, the CIA overtly transferred guns and explosives to Grey Wolf units through an agent in the 1970s.[113]

During the Susurluk scandal of 1996 the Grey Wolves were accused of being members of the Counter-Guerrilla, the Turkish branch of Operation Gladio.[114] Abdullah Çatlı, second in command of the Grey Wolves leadership,[8] was killed during the Susurluk car crash, which sparked the scandal. The April 1997 report of the Turkish National Assembly's investigative committee "offered considerable evidence of close ties between state authorities and criminal gangs, including the use of the Grey Wolves to carry out illegal activities."[115]

In the 2008 the Ergenekon trials a court document revealed that the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) armed and funded Grey Wolves members to carry out political murders.[116] They mostly targeted members of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA),[116] which attacked Turkish embassies abroad in retaliation of the denial of the Armenian Genocide. The Turkish intelligence services also made use of the Grey Wolves in the conflict against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) by offering them amnesty in exchange.[24][117]

Their helicopter was shot down by an American weapon, given to a man belonging to a group like that?  The GRU are not strong believers in coincidence.  They think the provocation was staged (and not without good reason), so they're almost certainly considering the followup in a similar light.

Personally, I do think it was coincidence, at least with regards to the weapon.  Lots of American weapons in that part of the world, they could've picked it up anywhere.  But it does pay to be suspicious of Turkey.
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Turkey shoots down Russian Jet
« Last post by The Good Reverend Roger on Today at 07:00:17 am »

Not only did they shoot don the jet, they shot the pilot out of the sky. I don't think Russia wants war with NATO over this, but still, not good news.

Turkey shot the plane down.  Nearby Turkman rebels killed the airman.

"New video published on social media by a Syrian rebel group allegedly shows Turkmen rebels shooting at the two ejected pilots landing on the border between Turkey and Syria."
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Turkey shoots down Russian Jet
« Last post by The Good Reverend Roger on Today at 06:57:25 am »
39 Turkish businessmen arrested in Moscow today.

I can't move.  Someone wheel me to the vomitorium.
Actually I was sober when I wrote that.

NOW, I'm drunk, and I hate you all.
Literate Chaotic / Re: ITT: Original Story Ideas
« Last post by Prelate Diogenes Shandor on Today at 12:24:48 am »
One of those go-back-in-time-and-kill-hitler stories, but instead of killing Hitler they're going to go back and save Archduke Ferdinand and thus prevent the events which created the environment which turned Hitler into a monster.

Alternately they go back and make sure that Hitler succeeds as an artist, thus preventing him from going into politics.


Related idea:

Time travelers prevent World War 2/Naziism/The Holocaust. They return to find that everyone is now really antisemitic because the holocaust never caused it to fall out of favor.

Alternately they come back and everything is a bit backward technologically because all the tech advances that happened because of the war happened much later (or fewer happened if the Pacific campaign still took place)

Related: or they come back and now the Pacific Campaign had a much much higher body count and lasted much longer because Einstein never fled to the USA and thus the Atom Bomb was not developed in time (it was still developed later)

Alternately they come back and the USA is still extremely isolationist, to a point that's even more inappropriate than their meddlesomeness is now.

Alternately they come back and the world is now under Soviet control. The Soviets are no less corrupt for having dominated the world.
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