Quote from: Faust on April 23, 2026, 09:15:44 PMhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8000761.stmThose were some lofty objectives. At this point in time, are there any African governments showing any interest in implementing any of them?
Here was his outline, yeah he wanted an African union to rival the EU model, which would have included currency and nationalisation of strategic mineral resources, oil, cobalat, uranium and gold, he also wanted food strategy and pooling to make Africa food secure.
It was ambitious and I still hope to see it one day.
Now imagine European leaders thought process to what this competitor would mean or for the US who buys on the cheap from there.
If similar was proposed for the middle east imagine what that would represent.
Suddenly the destabilising games make sense
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2026, 08:57:19 PMPerhaps its just a conspiracy theory in the US so, to every nation outside that has been on the other end of it, its painfully transparent.I've given some thought to your point of view, and come to realize that my "The Deep State Oligarchy Conspiracy" isn't as amusing as I had originally thought.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2026, 08:57:19 PMI'm sure Libya wasnt a pleasant place to be, and he was a dictator, but the country had universities and international airport, better rights for women then they have now and good access to medical care. I wont gloss over the atrocities, the guy treated the darker skinned africans like slaves, eliminated his competition.I was unaware Gaddaif, or anyone else, had attempted to organize the creation of a new, single African currency. Nor did I know this idea was opposed by any Western governments. However, I was well aware that back in 1979, no US bank would exchange Libyan dinar for American dollars. And, I don't believe the US was alone in that regard. So, I can understand why Gaddaif would have been keenly interested in establishing an African currency similar to the Euro.
But none of those things are the reason he is dead, it was for championing a single currency for Africa.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on April 22, 2026, 05:46:58 AMI find it very refreshing that the world is finally starting to make sense again.
Tariffs on islands full of penguins, and desultory shootings in the street by SS-wannabees that don't even have proper uniforms, I can't work with.
But starting a war in the middle-east is simple to understand. The penguins do not publicize their third-quarter results, but anyone can read about the Dardanelles campaign, and see how it went. Now all the boats are stuck, markets and the price of oil are fluctuating wildly, and the goats are at last flying home to roost.
The feedback loop of causality has closed once more, and it's just so damn fun to see actions having consequences that would have been immediately obvious to anyone who read the least bit of history.
Quote from: Abbot Mythos on April 22, 2026, 02:53:39 PMQuote from: Faust on April 21, 2026, 07:33:31 PMHow about the open meddling and destabilisation on record instead of conspiracy theory.Yes, Uncle Sugar has a long recorded history of interfering in other governments' governing.
Just one example, one of the very first, the CIA was new to this at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Since then its only gotten meaner and better at this game.
Still, my recent thinking about "The Deep State Oligarchy Conspiracy" is about how Uncle Sugar got this way. Most members of the Republicult™, and many members of the general public, do not understand, or do not really care about the disproportionate influence our mostly shadowy oligarchy has on our country, and our lives. And so, it amuses me to label this particular influence a conspiracy. But, if you disagree with me about this, I'm fine with it. After all, I am easily amused.
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2026, 07:33:31 PMHow about the open meddling and destabilisation on record instead of conspiracy theory.Yes, Uncle Sugar has a long recorded history of interfering in other governments' governing.
Just one example, one of the very first, the CIA was new to this at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Since then its only gotten meaner and better at this game.
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2026, 07:33:31 PMBut while we are on conspiracyIt never occurred to me to use the words "beloved" and "Muammar" in the same sentence. Still, Gaddafi was killed in 2011, and my time in Libya was back in 1979. But, no doubt a lot had changed in those three decades.
Its not just limited to the US, the EU do it to, in Africa. Beloved Muammar was assassinated under the direction of Clinton and Nicolas Sarkozy to cover up his dirty work, which he eventually got prosecuted for.
Quote from: Faust on April 20, 2026, 09:36:06 PMThe US has strategic interests in keeping the middle east destabilised and not too friendly, Israel is incredibly useful for that goal.It's going to take me some time to respond to your entire post.