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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on Today at 06:16:56 pm »
People need to quit giving the presidential election the Popularity Contest treatment. A vote for president, no matter how it is cast (or not cast) isn't about the individual politician who occupies the space on the ballot you choose. I would have been happy to vote for Warren or Sanders and I'm going to vote for Biden just because I don't want to hear the asinine lectures about it after this election. But it isn't about Biden, or Sanders, or even Trump, it's about the philosophies and realities these candidates represent. Biden, whether anyone really wants to talk about it or not, represents the philosophy that says "sorry, sexual assault survivors, my political strategy is more important than your safety or your access to justice." Is that an ethical trade-off? Maybe, maybe not. But it is a trade off, and it's disingenuous to pretend that calculus isn't going into the decision.

So voting for, and even electing, Biden isn't just a simple matter of harm reduction. It's an endorsement of this "status quo" that everyone both hates and mysteriously feels the need to protect until some mythological point in the future where we can risk changing it (maybe, gods willing, as long as nobody gets hurt in the process, and even then only if the stars align just right).

Thus I vote Vermin.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by tyrannosaurus vex on Today at 06:11:20 pm »
People need to quit giving the presidential election the Popularity Contest treatment. A vote for president, no matter how it is cast (or not cast) isn't about the individual politician who occupies the space on the ballot you choose. I would have been happy to vote for Warren or Sanders and I'm going to vote for Biden just because I don't want to hear the asinine lectures about it after this election. But it isn't about Biden, or Sanders, or even Trump, it's about the philosophies and realities these candidates represent. Biden, whether anyone really wants to talk about it or not, represents the philosophy that says "sorry, sexual assault survivors, my political strategy is more important than your safety or your access to justice." Is that an ethical trade-off? Maybe, maybe not. But it is a trade off, and it's disingenuous to pretend that calculus isn't going into the decision.

So voting for, and even electing, Biden isn't just a simple matter of harm reduction. It's an endorsement of this "status quo" that everyone both hates and mysteriously feels the need to protect until some mythological point in the future where we can risk changing it (maybe, gods willing, as long as nobody gets hurt in the process, and even then only if the stars align just right).
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on Today at 06:05:31 pm »
I feel you're putting too much faith in our legal system when it comes to rape trials.

I'm forced to accept the flawed system in lieu of full on vigilante "justice". I have seen VERY vile persons get away with literal murder because of the burden of proof being on the prosecutor and have myself gotten out of well constructed, false accusations only on a procedural technicality. I don't LIKE having to give the benefit of the doubt, but I do... for as long as the system holds anyway. I truly believe it better to incidentally let a killer walk than to hang an innocent person who happened to be in a bad circumstance or under false accusation. Our system is very bad about both, but I accept it as better than the rule of the mob.

Applied to politics this can get rather explosive very quickly indeed.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by LMNO on Today at 05:54:33 pm »
I feel you're putting too much faith in our legal system when it comes to rape trials. 
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on Today at 05:24:19 pm »
Juana I do not begrudge you your opinion and perspective, and ANY allegation is too much for politics ideally, but neither is convicted. The balance implied in justice is a delicate thing in the best of circumstances. We are not at all in the best of circumstances. I don't support Biden. I intend to vote for and promote Vermin Supreme, but the fact that people are basically calling him a rapist without trial leads to perspective that bypasses due process. Like I said, same for Trump. I have reason to suspect both, but I am not their judge in a legal sense. I mostly wish people people would stop presuming that the are.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OFFICIAL POLITICAL CARTOONS/PIC FREAD.
« Last post by Cain on Today at 04:59:09 pm »
#JustNeoNaziThings

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Apple Talk / Re: NEWCOMER LANDING PAD
« Last post by Cain on Today at 04:39:19 pm »
All of those people were probably terrible anyway
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by Cain on Today at 04:38:00 pm »
McConnell's not going to let you have Supreme Court choices anyway, no matter who's in the White House. The precedent's been set.

Flipping the Senate and putting that old bastard out of his misery are far higher priorities for that.
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Apple Talk / Re: NEWCOMER LANDING PAD
« Last post by Cramulus on Today at 04:09:03 pm »
For what it's worth 5+ other oldschool PD'ers said to me "oh yeah I'll log in tonight and say hi"


you are all LIARS

 :dok:
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« Last post by Juana on Today at 04:08:50 pm »
Yep. And it doesn't mean anything. Chuck E Cheese's humansona  Pete dropped before super Tuesday and still got votes. It amounted to nothing.

I'm just pissed the choice is between sexual predator A and sexual predator B. Jesus fucking Christ

Biden does have some creepy vibes, but i'm not willing to call him a predator without trial. Trump too for that matter, though Trump has MANY more allegations against him. You're not guilty until tried and convicted. That's a very important principal of justice in a free society, if only we lived in one.
People do not typically lie about being assaulted. The vast majority of rapists get away with it, even when it goes to trial. He has a history of creepy behavior - sniffing girls, jumping into his pool naked in front of female secret service agents, etc. - so I'm inclined to think it's true. And what is Trump up to - 22 accusations? - at that point, it's almost certainly true. Where's the balance, Joseph?

I'm just pissed the choice is between sexual predator A and sexual predator B. Jesus fucking Christ

Your choice is between two SCOTUS justice nominees that have the power to strip your grandchildren of all their rights and turn this into a corporate run theocracy, or, be utterly mediocre, or at least marginally liberal and maintain some semblance of the status quo.

You also have the entire fucking House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate. So, tell your friends: staying home isn't a fucking option.
I know. I have no obligation to be happy about it and I'm gonna yell bc voting for Biden is burden upon my soul.
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