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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Abbot Mythos - Today at 10:56:04 AMSo, you really are going to go with that. Well ... it's your call.
However, accelerationists who can not bring themselves to vote for someone who is clearly the lesser of two evils lack the pragmatism required to make right, but unpleasant choices. I believe it's misplaced optimism to count on them to save anyone, including themselves, from anything.
And, anyone who has been paying attention knows the POSOTUS began his political career as an outsider. So, besides lacking the ability to make right, but unpleasant choices, I believe it's misplaced optimism to count on people to save anyone, including themselves, from anything, who do not realize 'Merica is in the situation it's in today because it chose to elect a political outsider to the highest office in the land.
Again, AOC was not on the ballot seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS in 2024. And, early on, people were publicly encouraging her to seek that nomination. But, she's way more than intelligent enough, and way more than politically savvy enough to know her chances of winning that nomination were slim. Further, she knew that starting a long, ugly fight to secure the party's nomination would reduce her chances of actually winning the presidency to between slim and none. So, AOC made the smart choice, and then campaigned enthusiastically for the Biden/Harris ticket. And, if that wasn't good enough to get out the 'disgruntled youth vote,' the 'accelerationist vote,' and the 'outsider seekers vote,' then I have to wonder: Wouldn't the party be wise to move on, and maximize its efforts in securing 'Merica's blue collar vote again?
Now, the belief that AOC would have been the Democratic Party's savior in 2024 isn't anywhere near as bad as when some QAnon followers believed JFK Jr. would somehow reappear, become Trump's VP, and magic him back into the White House in 2021. But, that said, I don't realistically see either case as being anything more than wishful thinking after taking stunning election losses.
And, as I've written before: "Just how vile does a Republicult™ presidential candidate have to be before they can be beaten by a Black and Asian-American, female, Democratic Vice President?"
And again, as I've also written before: "Vice President and Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris lost because of her race(s), gender, and political party affiliation."
Last, I'll add: I have no reason to believe a Presidential Candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could have won, given her ethnicity, gender, and political party affiliation.
Quote from: Faust on Yesterday at 03:44:16 PMYes because as vile as Trump is he had:Some of 'Merica's disgruntled youth not understanding which political candidates, and which political party represents their best hope of securing 'The American Dream' is a communications and an educational problem. Still, you can't fix stupid. You can only do your best to recognize it, and outsmart it.
The racists
The disgruntled youth with no hope of ever owning a home in a society that bailed themselves out by sacrificing their kids futures.
The accelerationists and those looking for an outsider.
Conservatives that hold their nose and vote the party.
AoC would have appealed to two of the above groups.
However, accelerationists who can not bring themselves to vote for someone who is clearly the lesser of two evils lack the pragmatism required to make right, but unpleasant choices. I believe it's misplaced optimism to count on them to save anyone, including themselves, from anything.
And, anyone who has been paying attention knows the POSOTUS began his political career as an outsider. So, besides lacking the ability to make right, but unpleasant choices, I believe it's misplaced optimism to count on people to save anyone, including themselves, from anything, who do not realize 'Merica is in the situation it's in today because it chose to elect a political outsider to the highest office in the land.
Again, AOC was not on the ballot seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS in 2024. And, early on, people were publicly encouraging her to seek that nomination. But, she's way more than intelligent enough, and way more than politically savvy enough to know her chances of winning that nomination were slim. Further, she knew that starting a long, ugly fight to secure the party's nomination would reduce her chances of actually winning the presidency to between slim and none. So, AOC made the smart choice, and then campaigned enthusiastically for the Biden/Harris ticket. And, if that wasn't good enough to get out the 'disgruntled youth vote,' the 'accelerationist vote,' and the 'outsider seekers vote,' then I have to wonder: Wouldn't the party be wise to move on, and maximize its efforts in securing 'Merica's blue collar vote again?
Now, the belief that AOC would have been the Democratic Party's savior in 2024 isn't anywhere near as bad as when some QAnon followers believed JFK Jr. would somehow reappear, become Trump's VP, and magic him back into the White House in 2021. But, that said, I don't realistically see either case as being anything more than wishful thinking after taking stunning election losses.
Quote from: Faust on Yesterday at 03:44:16 PMIf you keep assuming that every one of his voters was a racist then the same exact thing will happen again next timeI'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, and assume you unintentionally wrote a clumsy sentence. My assumptions, quite obviously, have little influence on anyone's vote but my own.
And, as I've written before: "Just how vile does a Republicult™ presidential candidate have to be before they can be beaten by a Black and Asian-American, female, Democratic Vice President?"
And again, as I've also written before: "Vice President and Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris lost because of her race(s), gender, and political party affiliation."
Last, I'll add: I have no reason to believe a Presidential Candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could have won, given her ethnicity, gender, and political party affiliation.
#2
Apple Talk / Re: I Learned a New Word Today
Last post by Abbot Mythos - Yesterday at 11:31:55 PMI learned a new word today:
adynaton is a figure of speech, and a rhetorical device, in the form of hyperbole taken to such extreme lengths as to insinuate a complete impossibility.
I was curious about what form of speech the phrase "When pigs fly ..." is called, and the word popped up. Now, my self imposed challenge is to invent a new, catchy phrase for my personal use that simply oozes the very essence of 'adynaton.'
adynaton is a figure of speech, and a rhetorical device, in the form of hyperbole taken to such extreme lengths as to insinuate a complete impossibility.
I was curious about what form of speech the phrase "When pigs fly ..." is called, and the word popped up. Now, my self imposed challenge is to invent a new, catchy phrase for my personal use that simply oozes the very essence of 'adynaton.'
#3
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Faust - Yesterday at 03:44:16 PMQuote from: Abbot Mythos on Yesterday at 02:31:35 AMQuote from: Faust on February 08, 2026, 08:00:36 PMThat was part of it but she was also continuing very tried and tested voice of the establishment that Biden had represented, there's no appetite for that.AOC was not on the ballot seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS in 2024. Joe Biden won the majority of the pledged delegates during the party's primary process, easily beating two (2) other already long forgotten male contenders. But, Biden ended his campaign for reelection before being officially nominated. Then, as per Rule 13J of the party's delegate selection rules, pledged delegates were left free to vote for whoever they wanted to be their candidate. And, after the delegates negotiated among themselves, Kamala Harris was nominated to run for POTUS, without a second national level Democratic Party primary vote being held. So, I'm unaware of any serious possibility where "AOC had a chance" to run for the office, much less become the current POTUS.
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
But, let me get this straight:
On Tuesday, Election Day, November 5th, 2024, 77,303,568 'Mericans had the choice between a very old, unhealthy looking, white, male, boorish, misogynist, racist, Putin lovin', pedophile friending, twice impeached, economy sinking, COVID-19 pandemic denying, 2020 election losing, failed January 6th insurrection leading, convicted felon, and adjudicated rapist, that was on the ballot with an 'R' after its name, and Vice President Kamala Harris. And, each of those voters said to themselves something to the effect of, "Oh, hell yeah, baby! Gimme some more of that first one! I don't want no "very tried and tested voice of the establishment" politician runnin' no gubernment of mine!
Come on?! Seriously?! Are you really going to go with that?!
Yes because as vile as Trump is he had:
The racists
The disgruntled youth with no hope of ever owning a home in a society that bailed themselves out by sacrificing their kids futures.
The accelerationists and those looking for an outsider.
Conservatives that hold their nose and vote the party.
AoC would have appealed to two of the above groups.
If you keep assuming that every one of his voters was a racist then the same exact thing will happen again next time
#4
Apple Talk / Re: America Year Zero
Last post by Mandelbrot Slapper - Yesterday at 01:19:24 PMOh yeah sorry. Was quite stoned.
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The Second was The White Rose Resistance. Students at a Munich University, in the heart of the Nazi home ground. Hans & Sophie Scholl were siblings & they printed an illicit paper which they distributed in the wee hours of the morning after printing it in the University print shop after everyone else had left. They lambasted Mein Kampf from a literary as well as ideological perspective. They published battle casualty statistics from British & Russian sources. Reported on U-boat & battleship sinkings. Talked of concentration camps.
They were guillotined in 1943. Hans' last words were
"Es lebe die Freiheit!" (Long live freedom)
When they died Hans was 22 & Sophie had just turned 20. 16 other members were executed over the next three months & 13 more sentenced to between 6 months & 10 years in prison.
I'm reminded of an old NY Anarchist collective motto. "Flower power won't fight fascist power. All you need is dynamite"
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The Second was The White Rose Resistance. Students at a Munich University, in the heart of the Nazi home ground. Hans & Sophie Scholl were siblings & they printed an illicit paper which they distributed in the wee hours of the morning after printing it in the University print shop after everyone else had left. They lambasted Mein Kampf from a literary as well as ideological perspective. They published battle casualty statistics from British & Russian sources. Reported on U-boat & battleship sinkings. Talked of concentration camps.
They were guillotined in 1943. Hans' last words were
"Es lebe die Freiheit!" (Long live freedom)
When they died Hans was 22 & Sophie had just turned 20. 16 other members were executed over the next three months & 13 more sentenced to between 6 months & 10 years in prison.
I'm reminded of an old NY Anarchist collective motto. "Flower power won't fight fascist power. All you need is dynamite"
#5
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Abbot Mythos - Yesterday at 08:30:43 AMQuote from: Pergamos on Yesterday at 06:45:04 AMNo, I didn't miss a thing. I intentionally, and specifically provide the statistic about the 77,303,568 'Mericans who voted for the most vile former president, as well as the most vile presidential candidate ever nominated by either of 'Merica's two major political parties in my lifetime. Those 77,303,568 'Merican voters WON the election for the POSOTUS.Quote from: Abbot Mythos on Yesterday at 02:31:35 AMYou're missing the option that most people picked, which was "none of the above" That's what happens when the choices are "the bad you're used to" and "worse"Quote from: Faust on February 08, 2026, 08:00:36 PMThat was part of it but she was also continuing very tried and tested voice of the establishment that Biden had represented, there's no appetite for that.On Tuesday, Election Day, November 5th, 2024, 77,303,568 'Mericans had the choice between ...
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
And, as I've written before with slightly different wording, this begs the question: Just how vile does a Republicult™ presidential candidate have to be before they can be beaten by a Black and Asian-American, female, Democratic Vice President?
And, as I've also written before: "Vice President and Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris lost because of her race(s), gender, and political party affiliation."
All of the registered members of the Democratic Party had ample time and opportunity to chose to run for their party's nomination for POTUS themselves, or encourage other members of their political party to run for their party's nomination for POTUS, as well as to nominate an acceptable write-in candidate(s) for their party's nomination for POTUS. I've already provided details about how they first chose Joe Biden, and later nominated Kamala Harris to be their party's candidate for POTUS.
#6
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Pergamos - Yesterday at 06:45:04 AMQuote from: Abbot Mythos on Yesterday at 02:31:35 AMQuote from: Faust on February 08, 2026, 08:00:36 PMThat was part of it but she was also continuing very tried and tested voice of the establishment that Biden had represented, there's no appetite for that.AOC was not on the ballot seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS in 2024. Joe Biden won the majority of the pledged delegates during the party's primary process, easily beating two (2) other already long forgotten male contenders. But, Biden ended his campaign for reelection before being officially nominated. Then, as per Rule 13J of the party's delegate selection rules, pledged delegates were left free to vote for whoever they wanted to be their candidate. And, after the delegates negotiated among themselves, Kamala Harris was nominated to run for POTUS, without a second national level Democratic Party primary vote being held. So, I'm unaware of any serious possibility where "AOC had a chance" to run for the office, much less become the current POTUS.
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
But, let me get this straight:
On Tuesday, Election Day, November 5th, 2024, 77,303,568 'Mericans had the choice between a very old, unhealthy looking, white, male, boorish, misogynist, racist, Putin lovin', pedophile friending, twice impeached, economy sinking, COVID-19 pandemic denying, 2020 election losing, failed January 6th insurrection leading, convicted felon, and adjudicated rapist, that was on the ballot with an 'R' after its name, and Vice President Kamala Harris. And, each of those voters said to themselves something to the effect of, "Oh, hell yeah, baby! Gimme some more of that first one! I don't want no "very tried and tested voice of the establishment" politician runnin' no gubernment of mine!
Come on?! Seriously?! Are you really going to go with that?!
You're missing the option that most people picked, which was "none of the above" That's what happens when the choices are "the bad you're used to" and "worse"
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Abbot Mythos - Yesterday at 02:31:35 AMQuote from: Faust on February 08, 2026, 08:00:36 PMThat was part of it but she was also continuing very tried and tested voice of the establishment that Biden had represented, there's no appetite for that.AOC was not on the ballot seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS in 2024. Joe Biden won the majority of the pledged delegates during the party's primary process, easily beating two (2) other already long forgotten male contenders. But, Biden ended his campaign for reelection before being officially nominated. Then, as per Rule 13J of the party's delegate selection rules, pledged delegates were left free to vote for whoever they wanted to be their candidate. And, after the delegates negotiated among themselves, Kamala Harris was nominated to run for POTUS, without a second national level Democratic Party primary vote being held. So, I'm unaware of any serious possibility where "AOC had a chance" to run for the office, much less become the current POTUS.
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
But, let me get this straight:
On Tuesday, Election Day, November 5th, 2024, 77,303,568 'Mericans had the choice between a very old, unhealthy looking, white, male, boorish, misogynist, racist, Putin lovin', pedophile friending, twice impeached, economy sinking, COVID-19 pandemic denying, 2020 election losing, failed January 6th insurrection leading, convicted felon, and adjudicated rapist, that was on the ballot with an 'R' after its name, and Vice President Kamala Harris. And, each of those voters said to themselves something to the effect of, "Oh, hell yeah, baby! Gimme some more of that first one! I don't want no "very tried and tested voice of the establishment" politician runnin' no gubernment of mine!
Come on?! Seriously?! Are you really going to go with that?!
#8
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Faust - February 08, 2026, 08:00:36 PMThat was part of it but she was also continuing very tried and tested voice of the establishment that Biden had represented, there's no appetite for that.
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
Its the reason AOC had a chance and Harris would have none
#9
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Abbot Mythos - February 08, 2026, 06:54:31 PMQuote from: Pergamos on February 08, 2026, 05:55:34 PMThe candidate's race and gender matter a lot less than their positions.Vice President and Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris lost because of her race(s), gender, and political party affiliation.
I guess I'm going to have to revive my old Hard Lessons to be Learned Before the Next Election topic. I thought I had just about beaten it to death, and became bored with it. But, obviously, there are still unbelievers out there. So, I'd better get back to it, and complete my editing.
#10
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Regarding 'Merica's Actual...
Last post by Pergamos - February 08, 2026, 05:55:34 PMQuote from: Abbot Mythos on February 03, 2026, 11:05:51 PMNovember 7th, 2028 is a long way off, and a lot is going to happen between now and the U.S. Presidential Election. But, at the time of this posting, I think James Carville knows what he's talking about:
The Democrat James Carville thinks is worth watching in 2028 will surprise you
"Carville says Kamala Harris 'has no chance' in 2028 Democratic primary"
As per this article:
"Asked about whether he could see Harris as the party's standard-bearer in 2028, Carville responded, "She has no chance."
Harris replaced then-President Joe Biden as the Democrats' 2024 presidential nominee after Biden dropped his bid in July of that year, a month after a disastrous debate performance against Trump. Harris ended up losing the general election to Trump, who narrowly swept all seven key battleground states.
"No Democrat wants anything to do with anybody that had anything to do with 2024," Carville emphasized, as he reasoned why Harris couldn't win the 2028 nomination. He also questioned whether Harris, the nation's first female and first Black vice president, had the ability to energize the Black community if she launched another White House run.
Carville said that the Democrats' mantra heading into 2028 is "just win," and argued that "if we nominate two white males, nobody's going to give a s---.""
And, I couldn't agree more.
The candidate's race and gender matter a lot less than their positions. If we nominate Newsom and Buttigeig they'll repeat Harris' losing strategy of attempting to pursue GOP voters while ignoring progressives and the left. At this point a candidate that campaigns on cutting off Israel, and dismantling ICE can win, one that supports genocide and retaining the American Gestapo isn't going to be able to out fascist Vance, or whoever the GOP puts up, but they will be able to alienate a huge portion of their base.
My preference would be for a working class patriot who wants to take down the pedophiles and the system that enabled their predation. I haven't seen a candidate like that yet, but I'm sure there are some out there. I know that would resonate with not only the left, and the mainstream Democrats, but also QAnon types and a lot of the folks who voted for Sanders and Trump, or Trump and Mamdani.