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The Secrets Forum / Re: Open Bar: Fake News, Fake Bar
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on Today at 04:25:44 pm »
I'm moving and getting myself re-settled back in the LaX area today. I've been advised to get a social worker to help me through the process of getting signed up for school. As i made very little money last year and have ZERO student debt it's very likely that I can get that ball rolling right away. Going to start with Tech school and business courses. From there I may go to a University. It's time that I stop trying to do everything myself and take up the responsibility for my formal education that I've been avoiding since childhood in favor of "doing what I want".

It's not going to be easy, but I'm committed and not going to have to do it alone.
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Propaganda Depository / Re: Sympathy and Nazis
« Last post by The Wizard Joseph on Today at 04:09:58 pm »
That is the same reason, by the way, that so many white people think the original Black Panthers were a hate group analogous to the KKK.

You're right that I need to learn a lot more, of course. I'm well aware of the exclusion of Malcom X but no expert. I NEVER considered the Black Panthers to be a "KKK analgous hate group." I'm not a big fan of the Nation of Islam either, but I consider both to be rightful resistance groups. I DO have a lot more to learn.

You seem to think that I'm against violent protest. I'm not. Not even a little bit. I'm against knee-jerk reactionism and think that the thing needs to be done with a better doctrine than the OP document implies. There has to be hope behind the rage. Perhaps, if you have not, please read Mr. Ellis' stuff and please tell me what you think on it. I'm still having some trouble pinning down where in his history he's earned his right to criticize anyone at all.

I'm not willfully ignorant. I'm working on remedying it. Give me time and you'll see it, but don't think that I'm some fluffy piece of wonderbread either. I'm not.

Saying MLK is full of shit, especially setting it in its own paragraph like Ellis did, and then slightly increasing the font like I did, is a deliberate memebomb. People in the US love MLK by default. White supremacists even cherrypick his words to support their actions or condemn modern day civil rights activists. He is as close to a saint as the US has at an official level.

It causes significant cognitive dissonance to see anyone criticize him, especially bluntly, and most especially someone who is advocating for the rights of minorities. Your gut reaction is normal and appropriate. What happens after that is up to you. When I'm a biped, memebombs make me frown and grump still, but they also make me examine the underlying cause of the dissonance. They put me in a position where I can alter my worldview if I need to. When I'm a screeching baboon, well, I just get mad and make an ass of myself.

MLK was not a saint. Every word that came out of his mouth was not Wisdom From On High. He probably had an affair, his farts smelled bad, he probably picked his nose. He changed his views on some things over the course of his life, and he was critical of Nice White People in ways that would make their skin crawl. He was a complex human being, and bore little resemblance to the white marble saint of himself that's worshiped today.

Ellis is firing shots at St. MLK, and it's a good thing. You should never accept a pantheon blindly.

This.

Sure. I get that, but don't think that's the way to do it because it's broadly dismissive to just say he was full of shit. I don't worship at some paper idol, as is common admittedly. I don't think this "memebomb" is well built or well tatgeted.

That said... I'm going to shut up on the matter until I can do better. That's going to take a whole lot of study time.
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The Secrets Forum / Re: PICS VIII: 10% LARGER THAN PICS VII
« Last post by Eater of Clowns on Today at 03:49:41 pm »
Also, we ought to save this exchange and pin it so that the next time some dipshit noob comes in here talking about how we are all super mean and spiteful to outsiders, we can point to this and say, "See? It's not just you, dudebro."
We used to casually snipe each other like this a lot more often. The nasty little shit side of me sort of misses it.

Brb, making mayonnaise and bleach tacos.
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Propaganda Depository / Re: Sympathy and Nazis
« Last post by Mesozoic Mister Nigel on Today at 03:42:42 pm »
Saying MLK is full of shit, especially setting it in its own paragraph like Ellis did, and then slightly increasing the font like I did, is a deliberate memebomb. People in the US love MLK by default. White supremacists even cherrypick his words to support their actions or condemn modern day civil rights activists. He is as close to a saint as the US has at an official level.

It causes significant cognitive dissonance to see anyone criticize him, especially bluntly, and most especially someone who is advocating for the rights of minorities. Your gut reaction is normal and appropriate. What happens after that is up to you. When I'm a biped, memebombs make me frown and grump still, but they also make me examine the underlying cause of the dissonance. They put me in a position where I can alter my worldview if I need to. When I'm a screeching baboon, well, I just get mad and make an ass of myself.

MLK was not a saint. Every word that came out of his mouth was not Wisdom From On High. He probably had an affair, his farts smelled bad, he probably picked his nose. He changed his views on some things over the course of his life, and he was critical of Nice White People in ways that would make their skin crawl. He was a complex human being, and bore little resemblance to the white marble saint of himself that's worshiped today.

Ellis is firing shots at St. MLK, and it's a good thing. You should never accept a pantheon blindly.

This.
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Propaganda Depository / Re: Sympathy and Nazis
« Last post by Q. G. Pennyworth on Today at 03:34:12 pm »
Saying MLK is full of shit, especially setting it in its own paragraph like Ellis did, and then slightly increasing the font like I did, is a deliberate memebomb. People in the US love MLK by default. White supremacists even cherrypick his words to support their actions or condemn modern day civil rights activists. He is as close to a saint as the US has at an official level.

It causes significant cognitive dissonance to see anyone criticize him, especially bluntly, and most especially someone who is advocating for the rights of minorities. Your gut reaction is normal and appropriate. What happens after that is up to you. When I'm a biped, memebombs make me frown and grump still, but they also make me examine the underlying cause of the dissonance. They put me in a position where I can alter my worldview if I need to. When I'm a screeching baboon, well, I just get mad and make an ass of myself.

MLK was not a saint. Every word that came out of his mouth was not Wisdom From On High. He probably had an affair, his farts smelled bad, he probably picked his nose. He changed his views on some things over the course of his life, and he was critical of Nice White People in ways that would make their skin crawl. He was a complex human being, and bore little resemblance to the white marble saint of himself that's worshiped today.

Ellis is firing shots at St. MLK, and it's a good thing. You should never accept a pantheon blindly.
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The Secrets Forum / Re: Open Bar: Fake News, Fake Bar
« Last post by Mesozoic Mister Nigel on Today at 03:31:12 pm »
Yesterday my advisor informed me that once classes are over, which is next term, I'll be expected to be in the lab about 50 hours a week. My first emotion was relief. I mean, fuck, just 50 hours? And I don't have to teach over the summer? HELL YEAH.
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Propaganda Depository / Re: Sympathy and Nazis
« Last post by Mesozoic Mister Nigel on Today at 03:26:41 pm »
That is the same reason, by the way, that so many white people think the original Black Panthers were a hate group analogous to the KKK.


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Propaganda Depository / Re: Sympathy and Nazis
« Last post by Mesozoic Mister Nigel on Today at 03:09:54 pm »


Sounds like a guy who's not "full of shit" to me.

The point I was making by posting that is that even MLK, the man you are so twisted in a knot over seeing criticized (the same criticism, by the way, that many many Black civil-rights activists have also levied toward him) recognized that violent protest was the inevitable result of having peaceful protest ignored.

And chew on this for a second: why is MLK lionized, while Malcolm X is demonized? There is one big reason. One really, really big one.

MLK is more palatable to white people than Malcolm X. He's the soft-serve version of the 20th-century civil rights activist. Not that he was not a great man, a great leader, and a great orator -- just that the story of the civil rights movement (the one that earned me the legal right to exist, mind you, as more than the forbidden effluvia of sinful abomination) is much broader than the one white schoolchildren are spoonfed. The school system pushes the narrative that this one nice kind peaceful Black man changed everything for his formerly violent stupid people.

That is NOT the real story. Not the whole story, and a lie by omission is still a lie.

So, sorry you're fucking trapped in your own culturally-instilled sheltered (and at this point, wilfull) ignorance. Read a book or something.

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