The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Open Bar: Arguments About Turtles, All the Way Down« Last post by The Suu on Today at 12:55:33 am »
I've always been fond of the notion among mystic minded conspiracy theorists that you only go to hell if you sign on the line and back Old Louie or otherwise intentionally put yourself in enmity with God.
(the idea being that Atheists are his patsies to be done away with when he surely takes the Throne )
Therefore most genuine Atheists are going to heaven.
Just imagine the awkwardness at the gates. The shuffling feet and nervous glances.
There may even now be segregation issues in Eternity in need of resolution.
Carl Sagan's facial expression would be priceless!
I'm taking a course on the Reformation this semester, and now my arsenal is full of Atheist cannon fodder. I especially like some of the early humanist stuff from Boccaccio and Erasmus, which boils down to, It doesn't fucking matter if you're holy or not holy, or if you're a priest or a pedo, all humans have God's grace instilled within them and act on his will. Therefore, human actions are godly actions no matter how vile of a person you are. You all go to heaven. Game over.
Or my new personal ballista bolt for the Christian right when they bitch about big government and taxes: Romans 13.
So.. under that perception when a guy like Gengis Kahn says, "I am the wrath of God. If you had not committed terrible sins God would not have placed a man like me in your path" or the like they are maybe right?
And f7ck Paul. I respect that he was willing to die for what he thought to be true, but I just don't like how he thread jacked like half the new testament. The jerk.
Don't get me started on Paul. He contradicts himself more than the entire US Senate.
And you are correct, even in Khan's hubris, not only is he a saved man because as God's creation, he is automatically full of His Grace. You're thinking more of a predestination, with is Lutheran/Calvinist. No matter what, God knows where he wants to put you, and you may or may not live, and you may or may not go to Heaven. Your life is already planned. Pray all you want, you still have a 50/50 shot at being damned.